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Sometimes, popular debates and commenters can put their fingers on a key issue, almost in passing.

In this case, in addressing the cognitive dissonance issue triggering  many reactions to the rise of Donald Trump to US President-Elect (I confess, my own surprise* . . . ) Dilbert’s Scott Adams has dropped a real clanger of a wake-up call:

Here is a money-shot clip from his current blog article, “The Cognitive Dissonance Cluster Bomb”:

>>As I often tell you, we all live in our own movies inside our heads. Humans did not evolve with the capability to understand their reality because it was not important to survival. Any illusion that keeps us alive long enough to procreate is good enough.

That’s why the protestors live in a movie in which they are fighting against a monster called Trump and you live in a movie where you got the president you wanted for the changes you prefer. Same planet, different realities . . . >>

See the problem?

Yup, Scott Adams just inadvertently exposed the inherent self-referential incoherence of evolutionary materialism; and, he does not even exhibit awareness of the implied cognitive self-destruct, self-falsification button he pushed.

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Cognitive dissonance, on steroids.

As DI’s Nancy Pearcey notes in her Finding Truth:

>>A major way to test a philosophy or worldview is to ask: Is it logically consistent? Internal contradictions are fatal to any worldview because contradictory statements are necessarily false. “This circle is square” is contradictory, so it has to be false. An especially damaging form of contradiction is self-referential absurdity — which means a theory sets up a definition of truth that it itself fails to meet. Therefore it refutes itself . . . .

An example of self-referential absurdity is a theory called evolutionary epistemology, a naturalistic approach that applies evolution to the process of knowing. The theory proposes that the human mind is a product of natural selection. The implication is that the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value.

But what if we apply that theory to itself? Then it, too, was selected for survival, not truth — which discredits its own claim to truth. Evolutionary epistemology commits suicide.

Astonishingly, many prominent thinkers have embraced the theory without detecting the logical contradiction. Philosopher John Gray writes, “If Darwin’s theory of natural selection is true,… the human mind serves evolutionary success, not truth.” What is the contradiction in that statement?

Gray has essentially said, if Darwin’s theory is true, then it “serves evolutionary success, not truth.” In other words, if Darwin’s theory is true, then it is not true . . . >>

So, now, how can we find our way back to safer cognitive footing? END

*PS: While UD is not endorsing or opposing any given candidates, it is appropriate to note astonishment. And, to pause for a note on civics and history. The US’ Founders and Framers were, for cause, very suspicious of the inherent instability and too often suicidal nature of democratic polities, with Athens, Alcibiades, the Silician Expedition and the wider, utterly ruinous Peloponnesian War as exhibit no. 1.  Besides, they were very concerned to balance the various local and particular interests; as the Connecticut compromise on Representatives (popular balance) vs. Senators (two per state) shows. The Electoral College system also created a way for a far-flung electorate under C18 conditions to have multiple local elections that sent chosen delegates to the college of electors that would finally elect the President (who as originally envisioned had rather limited powers). The practical effect today, is to force 50 elections in parallel; so that no narrow cluster of cities and big population states can form an interest that dominates the system as a whole.  This forces checks, balances, and compromises so that on the whole a President must be widely acceptable to be elected. As a result, when there is a polarised era with concentrated urban interests, Presidents may be elected who do not hold the overall majority of counted ballots; this is similar to parliamentary systems with seat by seat, first past the post constituencies, where also proportional representation systems are clearly less stable and tend to coalition Cabinets, often with an implicit transfer of power to the permanent government — the electorally unaccountable senior civil servants. (I gather, but stand to be corrected regarding the US: if absentee and military ballots are too small in number to change the result for some states, while cast, they are not actually counted. (Or, is that just on the first pass, which grabs the early headlines?) Such ballots apparently . . . largely, due to the military factor . . .  trend strongly Republican, and so the balance on cast ballots may be different again from counted ones. [Note, summary of results.])

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DS, by undermining even Adams' line of reasoning as it is self referential and undermines reasoning and knowing. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2016
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DS, Please look at the red highlighted part of the clip in the OP. Ponder that it is self-referential and has general implications.
How, explicitly if you don't mind, does it refute itself?daveS
November 13, 2016
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DS, Please look at the red highlighted part of the clip in the OP. Ponder that it is self-referential and has general implications. Sev, Truth, rationality and survival are categorically different. That is not open to debate. The import of a self-referential claim as cited is it utterly undermines rationality and knowledge. It points to grand, general delusion. Which is self-referential, incoherent and self-falsifying. For instance, it renders the judgement required to evaluate evidence or the usual evolutionary just so stories suspect. Intellectual suicide. BTW, BA77 in 2 above has some relevant evidence. KFkairosfocus
November 13, 2016
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An example of self-referential absurdity is a theory called evolutionary epistemology, a naturalistic approach that applies evolution to the process of knowing. The theory proposes that the human mind is a product of natural selection. The implication is that the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value. But what if we apply that theory to itself? Then it, too, was selected for survival, not truth — which discredits its own claim to truth. Evolutionary epistemology commits suicide.
Fairly obviously, the fundamental flaw with that argument lies in the assumption that survival-tracking and truth-tracking are necessarily two different things. But a few moments reflection should reveal the problem. To use an previous illustration, suppose two early humans were confronted by a hungry tiger intent on eating them. One human thinks that this is just a big, friendly kitty who wants to play. The other thinks the tiger's approach is decidedly suspicious and chooses to run for it. Who is more likely to survive? Yes, we can all think of fictional stories or 'movies in our heads' which do not initially put us in conflict with reality. The problem is that sooner or later they might. A child running around in his costume and cape playing at being Superman might actually believe at the time that he is a superhero. That's not a problem - unless he tries to jump off a tall building thinking he can fly. The problem is that stories or beliefs that are untrue in the sense that they do not correspond with reality will ultimately come into conflict with that reality, sometimes with fatal consequences for the believers. The good side is that, over time, evolution will tend to filter out the false beliefs, leaving us with the true - or at least the truer - ones.Seversky
November 13, 2016
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KF,
DS, I am pointing out how the evolutionary materialist thesis has penetrated popular culture to the point where people are thoughtlessly stating self-refuting, self-referentially incoherent things.
Is there something self-refuting in the specific Adams quote you posted?daveS
November 13, 2016
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Dogbert Evolution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhbtCWHj1g Scott Adams Is A Brilliant Philosopher: Excerpt: PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris. Unfortunately he is also a self-important, humorless, autofellating, ass hat, or at least that is one theory which Scott Adams has put forward. http://adhd-librarian.blogspot.com/2007/02/scott-adams-is-brilliant-philosopher.htmlbornagain77
November 13, 2016
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DS, I am pointing out how the evolutionary materialist thesis has penetrated popular culture to the point where people are thoughtlessly stating self-refuting, self-referentially incoherent things. The cognitive dissonance being suppressed by projecting the problem to the other should be quite obvious, I forget the Freudian term for that defense mechanism, is it reaction formation or something of that order? And that stands regardless of whether Adams thinks we live in a the matrix, computer simulation world. KF PS: as a multiverse consequence, it has an interesting rhetorical value that sims would be overwhelmingly more probable, i.e. computational tech gets to the point in such a multiverse that sims vastly outnumber physically instantiated worlds. Then, there is the good ole Boltzmann Brain world problem. Anything that reduces reality or our ability to experience and objectively know it to grand delusion or overwhelmingly likely grand delusion is an absurdly self-undercutting view.kairosfocus
November 13, 2016
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KF, Hm. The guy who writes Dilbert, on evolution?
Yup, Scott Adams just inadvertently exposed the inherent self-referential incoherence of evolutionary materialism; and, he does not even exhibit awareness of the implied cognitive self-destruct, self-falsification button he pushed.
Are you sure he's not aware? He's not exactly an evolutionary-materialist, is he? From his blog this April:
But fast-forward to today, and now we have two competing hypotheses to replace the standard theory of evolution. One is David Hoffman’s vision of a world that is mostly imagined and beyond our ability to understand. The other is my oft-described idea that we are one of perhaps billions of software simulations created by some original species. (I didn’t invent that idea.) But in both worldviews, zebras and horses are not real. So evolution makes no sense in those models.
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“But where shall wisdom be found? And where is the place of understanding? Man does not know its worth, and it is not found in the land of the living. The deep says, ‘It is not in me,’ and the sea says, ‘It is not with me.’ It cannot be bought for gold, and silver cannot be weighed as its price. Job 28:12-15 “From where, then, does wisdom come? And where is the place of understanding? 21 It is hidden from the eyes of all living and concealed from the birds of the air. Job 28:20-21 “God understands the way to it, and he knows its place. For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. When he gave to the wind its weight and apportioned the waters by measure, when he made a decree for the rain and a way for the lightning of the thunder, then he saw it and declared it; he established it, and searched it out. And he said to man, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’” Job 28:23-28 “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might. He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding; he reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him. Daniel 2:20-22 […] the Most High God rules the kingdom of mankind and sets over it whom he will. Daniel 5:21
Dionisio
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That Darwinists live in an imaginary world is revealed by the math of population genetics itself: In the following video and article, Donald Hoffman has, through numerous computer simulations of population genetics, proved that if Darwinian evolution were actually true then ALL of our perceptions of reality would be illusory.
Donald Hoffman: Do we see reality as it is? – Video – 9:59 minute mark Quote: “,,,evolution is a mathematically precise theory. We can use the equations of evolution to check this out. We can have various organisms in artificial worlds compete and see which survive and which thrive, which sensory systems or more fit. A key notion in those equations is fitness.,,, fitness does depend on reality as it is, yes.,,, Fitness is not the same thing as reality as it is, and it is fitness, and not reality as it is, that figures centrally in the equations of evolution. So, in my lab, we have run hundreds of thousands of evolutionary game simulations with lots of different randomly chosen worlds and organisms that compete for resources in those worlds. Some of the organisms see all of the reality. Others see just part of the reality. And some see none of the reality. Only fitness. Who wins? Well I hate to break it to you but perception of reality goes extinct. In almost every simulation, organisms that see none of reality, but are just tuned to fitness, drive to extinction that perceive reality as it is. So the bottom line is, evolution does not favor veridical, or accurate perceptions. Those (accurate) perceptions of reality go extinct. Now this is a bit stunning. How can it be that not seeing the world accurately gives us a survival advantage?” https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY?t=601 The Evolutionary Argument Against Reality - April 2016 The cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman uses evolutionary game theory to show that our perceptions of an independent reality must be illusions. Excerpt: “The classic argument is that those of our ancestors who saw more accurately had a competitive advantage over those who saw less accurately and thus were more likely to pass on their genes that coded for those more accurate perceptions, so after thousands of generations we can be quite confident that we’re the offspring of those who saw accurately, and so we see accurately. That sounds very plausible. But I think it is utterly false. It misunderstands the fundamental fact about evolution, which is that it’s about fitness functions — mathematical functions that describe how well a given strategy achieves the goals of survival and reproduction. The mathematical physicist Chetan Prakash proved a theorem that I devised that says: According to evolution by natural selection, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but is just tuned to fitness. Never.” https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160421-the-evolutionary-argument-against-reality/
Although Hoffman tried to limit his results to just our visual perceptions, as Plantinga had pointed out before Hoffman came along, there is no reason why the results do not also extend to undermining our cognitive faculties as well:
The Case Against Reality - May 13, 2016 Excerpt: Hoffman seems to come to a conclusion similar to the one Alvin Plantinga argues in ch. 10 of Where the Conflict Really Lies: we should not expect — in the absence of further argument — that creatures formed by a naturalistic evolutionary process would have veridical perceptions.,,, First, even if Hoffman’s argument were restricted to visual perception, and not to our cognitive faculties more generally (e.g., memory, introspection, a priori rational insight, testimonial belief, inferential reasoning, etc.), the conclusion that our visual perceptions would be wholly unreliable given natural selection would be sufficient for Plantinga’s conclusion of self-defeat. After all, reliance upon the veridicality of our visual perceptions was and always will be crucial for any scientific argument for the truth of evolution. So if these perceptions cannot be trusted, we have little reason to think evolutionary theory is true. Second, it’s not clear that Hoffman’s application of evolutionary game theory is only specially applicable to visual perception, rather than being relevant for our cognitive faculties generally. If “we find that veridical perceptions can be driven to extinction by non-veridical strategies that are tuned to utility rather than objective reality” (2010, p. 504, my emphasis), then why wouldn’t veridical cognitive faculties (more generally) be driven to extinction by non-veridical strategies that are tuned to utility rather than objective reality? After all, evolutionary theory purports to be the true account of the formation of all of our cognitive faculties, not just our faculty of visual perception. If evolutionary game theory proves that “true perception generally goes extinct” when “animals that perceive the truth compete with others that sacrifice truth for speed and energy-efficiency” (2008), why wouldn’t there be a similar sacrifice with respect to other cognitive faculties? In fact, Hoffman regards the following theorem as now proven: “According to evolution by natural selection, an organism that sees reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality but is just tuned to fitness” (Atlantic interview). But then wouldn’t it also be the case that an organism that cognizes reality as it is will never be more fit than an organism of equal complexity that cognizes none of reality but is just tuned to fitness? On the evolutionary story, every cognitive faculty we have was produced by a process that was tuned to fitness (rather than tuned to some other value, such as truth). http://www.gregwelty.com/2016/05/the-case-against-reality/
Thus, in what should be needless to say, a worldview that undermines the scientific method itself by holding all our observations of reality, and cognitive faculties, are illusory is NOT a worldview that can be firmly grounded within the scientific method! Moreover, completely contrary to what Hoffman found for Darwinian theory, it turns out that accurate perception, i.e. conscious observation, far from being unreliable and illusory, is experimentally found to be far more integral to reality, i.e. far more reliable of reality, than the math of population genetics predicted. In the following experiment, it was found that reality doesn’t exist without an observer.
New Mind-blowing Experiment Confirms That Reality Doesn’t Exist If You Are Not Looking at It – June 3, 2015 Excerpt: The results of the Australian scientists’ experiment, which were published in the journal Nature Physics, show that this choice is determined by the way the object is measured, which is in accordance with what quantum theory predicts. “It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,” said lead researcher Dr. Andrew Truscott in a press release.,,, “The atoms did not travel from A to B. It was only when they were measured at the end of the journey that their wave-like or particle-like behavior was brought into existence,” he said. Thus, this experiment adds to the validity of the quantum theory and provides new evidence to the idea that reality doesn’t exist without an observer. http://themindunleashed.org/2015/06/new-mind-blowing-experiment-confirms-that-reality-doesnt-exist-if-you-are-not-looking-at-it.html
Apparently science itself could care less if atheists are forced to believe, because of the mathematics of population genetics, that their observations of reality are illusory! Moreover, it is impossible for Darwinists, i.e. Atheistic Materialists, to consistently live as if their worldview were actually true:
Darwin's Robots: When Evolutionary Materialists Admit that Their Own Worldview Fails - Nancy Pearcey - April 23, 2015 Excerpt: Even materialists often admit that, in practice, it is impossible for humans to live any other way.,,, When I teach these concepts in the classroom, an example my students find especially poignant is Flesh and Machines by Rodney Brooks, professor emeritus at MIT. Brooks writes that a human being is nothing but a machine -- a "big bag of skin full of biomolecules" interacting by the laws of physics and chemistry. In ordinary life, of course, it is difficult to actually see people that way. But, he says, "When I look at my children, I can, when I force myself, ... see that they are machines." Is that how he treats them, though? Of course not: "That is not how I treat them.... I interact with them on an entirely different level. They have my unconditional love, the furthest one might be able to get from rational analysis." Certainly if what counts as "rational" is a materialist worldview in which humans are machines, then loving your children is irrational. It has no basis within Brooks's worldview. It sticks out of his box. How does he reconcile such a heart-wrenching cognitive dissonance? He doesn't. Brooks ends by saying, "I maintain two sets of inconsistent beliefs." He has given up on any attempt to reconcile his theory with his experience. He has abandoned all hope for a unified, logically consistent worldview. - Evolution News and Views
In what should be needless to say, if it is impossible for you to live as if your worldview were actually true then your worldview cannot possibly reflect reality as it really is but your worldview must instead be based on a delusion.
Existential Argument against Atheism - November 1, 2013 by Jason Petersen 1. If a worldview is true then you should be able to live consistently with that worldview. 2. Atheists are unable to live consistently with their worldview. 3. If you can’t live consistently with an atheist worldview then the worldview does not reflect reality. 4. If a worldview does not reflect reality then that worldview is a delusion. 5. If atheism is a delusion then atheism cannot be true. Conclusion: Atheism is false. http://answersforhope.com/existential-argument-atheism/
Of supplemental note, although, because of their materialistic premises, Darwinists are forced to believe that they themselves, as persons, are merely illusions, apparently some of these 'illusory materialists' felt confident enough in their ability to differentiate what is truly real and what is merely illusory, to devise a clever questionnaire that differentiate between illusory memories and real memories. In the following study, materialistic researchers who had a bias against Near Death Experiences (NDEs) being real, set out to prove that they were merely hallucinations by setting up a clever questionnaire that could differentiate which memories a person had were real and which memories a person had were merely imaginary. They did not expect the results they got:
'Afterlife' feels 'even more real than real,' researcher says - Wed April 10, 2013 Excerpt: "If you use this questionnaire ... if the memory is real, it's richer, and if the memory is recent, it's richer," he said. The coma scientists weren't expecting what the tests revealed. "To our surprise, NDEs were much richer than any imagined event or any real event of these coma survivors," Laureys reported. The memories of these experiences beat all other memories, hands down, for their vivid sense of reality. "The difference was so vast," he said with a sense of astonishment. Even if the patient had the experience a long time ago, its memory was as rich "as though it was yesterday," Laureys said. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/health/belgium-near-death-experiences/ Memories of Near Death Experiences (NDEs): More Real Than Reality? - Mar. 27, 2013 Excerpt: University of Liège ,,,researchers,, have looked into the memories of NDE with the hypothesis that if the memories of NDE were pure products of the imagination, their phenomenological characteristics (e.g., sensorial, self referential, emotional, etc. details) should be closer to those of imagined memories. Conversely, if the NDE are experienced in a way similar to that of reality, their characteristics would be closer to the memories of real events. The researchers compared the responses provided by three groups of patients, each of which had survived (in a different manner) a coma, and a group of healthy volunteers. They studied the memories of NDE and the memories of real events and imagined events with the help of a questionnaire which evaluated the phenomenological characteristics of the memories. The results were surprising. From the perspective being studied, not only were the NDEs not similar to the memories of imagined events, but the phenomenological characteristics inherent to the memories of real events (e.g. memories of sensorial details) are even more numerous in the memories of NDE than in the memories of real events. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130327190359.htm
Whereas, because of their materialistic premises, the researchers were surprised that the memories of NDEs were 'even more real than real', to a Christian Theist this result is not surprising at all since we, as Christians, hold that the Mind of God created all of reality and therefore, on that presupposition, we hold that the closer one gets to God then the 'more real' our perceptions of what is 'real' will become. Of related note, to even be able to accurately define what is real and what is illusory, one must posit 'mind' as primary and everything else as derivative of that:
"In any philosophy of reality that is not ultimately self-defeating or internally contradictory, mind – unlabeled as anything else, matter or spiritual – must be primary. What is “matter” and what is “conceptual” and what is “spiritual” can only be organized from mind. Mind controls what is perceived, how it is perceived, and how those percepts are labeled and organized. Mind must be postulated as the unobserved observer, the uncaused cause simply to avoid a self-negating, self-conflicting worldview. It is the necessary postulate of all necessary postulates, because nothing else can come first. To say anything else comes first requires mind to consider and argue that case and then believe it to be true, demonstrating that without mind, you could not believe that mind is not primary in the first place." - William J. Murray
William J. Murray is in excellent company:
“No, I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” Max Planck (1858–1947), the originator of quantum theory, The Observer, London, January 25, 1931 “Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.” Schroedinger, Erwin. 1984. “General Scientific and Popular Papers,” in Collected Papers, Vol. 4. Vienna: Austrian Academy of Sciences. Friedr. Vieweg & Sohn, Braunschweig/Wiesbaden. p. 334.
Of related note to the 'reality' of NDEs, Whereas Naturalists have no empirical evidence whatsoever that the epistemologically self defeating multiverse is real, Theists have very strong evidence for their belief in a higher heavenly dimension and in a hellish dimension. Moreover, this evidence comes from two of our strongest, most verified, theories in science. i.e. From Special and General Relativity respectively:
Special and General Relativity compared to Heavenly and Hellish Near Death Experiences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbKELVHcvSI&list=PLtAP1KN7ahia8hmDlCYEKifQ8n65oNpQ5 further notes on the physical reality of the 'soul': https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/philosopher-of-science-roger-penrose-thinks-soul-may-survive-death/#comment-620372
Verse
Mark 8:37 Is anything worth more than your soul?
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Dilbert's Scott Adams inadvertently exemplifies the own goal of evolutionary materialism.kairosfocus
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