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It has been more than a year since kairosfocus posted his now-famous challenge on Uncommon Descent, inviting Darwinists to submit an essay defending their views. A Darwinist named Petrushka has recently responded, over at The Skeptical Zone. (Petrushka describes himself as a Darwinist in a fairly broad sense of the term: he accepts common descent as a result of gradual, unguided change, which includes not only changes occurring as a result of natural selection but also neutral change.)

The terms of the original challenge issued by kairosfocus were as follows:

Compose your summary case for darwinism (or any preferred variant that has at least some significant support in the professional literature, such as punctuated equilibria etc) in a fashion that is accessible to the non-technical reader — based on empirical evidence that warrants the inference to body plan level macroevolution — in up to say 6,000 words [a chapter in a serious paper is often about that long]. Outgoing links are welcome so long as they do not become the main point. That is, there must be a coherent essay, with

(i) an intro,
(ii) a thesis,
(iii) a structure of exposition,
(iv) presentation of empirical warrant that meets the inference to best current empirically grounded explanation [–> IBCE] test for scientific reconstructions of the remote past,
(v) a discussion and from that
(vi) a warranted conclusion.

Your primary objective should be to show in this way, per IBCE, why there is no need to infer to design from the root of the Darwinian tree of life — cf. Smithsonian discussion here – on up (BTW, it will help to find a way to resolve the various divergent trees), on grounds that the Darwinist explanation, as extended to include OOL, is adequate to explain origin and diversification of the tree of life. A second objective of like level is to show how your thesis is further supported by such evidence as suffices to warrant the onward claim that is is credibly the true or approximately true explanation of origin and body-plan level diversification of life; on blind watchmaker style chance variation plus differential reproductive success, starting with some plausible pre-life circumstance.

It would be helpful if in that essay you would outline why alternatives such as design, are inferior on the evidence we face.

Here is Petrushka’s reply:

Evolution is the better model because it can be right or wrong, and its rightness or wrongness can be tested by observation and experiment.

For evolution to be true, molecular evolution must be possible. The islands of function must not be separated by gaps greater than what we observe in the various kinds of mutation. This is a testable proposition.

For evolution to be true, the fossil record must reflect sequential change. This is a testable proposition.

For evolution to be true, the earth must be old enough to have allowed time for these sequential changes. This is a testable proposition.

Evolution has entailments. It is the only model that has entailments. It is either right or wrong, and that is a necessary attribute of any theory or hypothesis.

Evolution is a better model for a second reason. It seeks regularities.

Regularity is the set of physical causes that includes uniform processes, chaos, complexity, stochastic events, and contingency. Regularity can include physical laws, mathematical expressions that predict relationships among phenomena. Regularity can include unpredictable phenomena, such as earthquakes, volcanoes, turbulence, and the single toss of dice.

Regularity can include unknown causes, as it did when the effects of radiation were first observed. It includes currently mysterious phenomena such as dark matter and energy. The principle has been applied to the study of psychic phenomena.

Regularity can include design, so long as one can talk about the methods and capabilities of the designer. One can study spider webs and bird nests and crime scenes and ancient pottery, because one can observe the agents producing the designed objects.

The common threads in all of science are the search for regularities and the insistence that models must have entailments, testable implications. Evolution is the only theory meeting these criteria.

One could assert that evolution is true, but it is more important to say it is a testable model. That is the minimum requirement to be science.

PS:

My references are the peer-reviewed literature. We can take them one by one, if kairosfocus deems it necessary to claim the publishing journals have overlooked errors of fact or interpretation.

PPS:

To make Dembski’s explanatory filter relevant, one must demonstrate that natural history is insufficient. So I will entertain ID arguments that can cite the actual history of the origin of life and point out the place where intervention was required or where some deviation from regular process occurred.

Same for complex structures such as flagella. Cite the actual history and point out where a saltation event occurred.

Or cite any specific reproductive event in the history of life and point out the discontinuity between generations.

PPPS:

If CSI or any of its variants are to be cited, please discuss whether different living things have different quantities of CSI. For example, does a human have more CSI than a mouse? Than an insect? Than an onion? Please show your calculation.

Alternatively, discuss whether a variant within a species can be shown to have more or less CSI than another variant. Perhaps a calculation of the CSI in Lenski’s bacteria before and after adaptation.

These are just proposed examples. Any specific calculation would be acceptable, provided it can provide a direct demonstration of different quantities of CSI in different organisms.

In his original challenge, kairosfocus promised:

I will give you two full days of comments before I post any full post level response; though others at UD will be free to respond in their own right.

So let’s hear it from viewers. What do readers think?

Comments
Petrushka makes an interesting restatement of old canards. Most particularly, "my theory is scientific, yours is not, therefore mine is right." If one looks at the first half of Petrushka's thesis, one sees a good quality list of "testables" in neo-Darwinism. What Petrushka fails to see is that the testability of the theory does not depend on the availability of another theory. Petrushka's points of testability, again: (Note that when Petrushka speaks of evolution he is clearly talking about neo-Darwinian evolution, not merely change over time or even universal common descent.) > For evolution to be true, molecular evolution must be possible. Cool, where is the science that establishes that molecular evolution is possible, that the "islands of function" are not "be separated by gaps greater ..." I have not found this evidence. > For evolution to be true, the fossil record must reflect sequential change. There is clearly some, even quite a lot, of sequential change demonstrated in the fossil record. But why do palaeontologists keep talking about "punctuated equilibrium"? Isn't "punctuated equilibrium" basically the equivalent to change that exceeds what should be in the time frame allowed? While there are hypothesises that attempt to explain this phenomenon, but they seem painfully weak to me. Most importantly, the phenomenon is not a comfortable fit with the theory. > For evolution to be true, the earth must be old enough to have allowed time for these sequential changes. Yes! and Sir Fredrick Hoyle argued strongly that there isn't nearly enough available time to create the universal ultra-conserved genes of life. He attempted to solve the problem by proposing that life came from elsewhere. He even recognized that the universe is not old enough to provide explanation, so he argued against the big bang. So where is the strong scientific case to counter his concerns? > Evolution has entailments. ... It is either right or wrong ... Yes! Yes! Yes! Let evolution stand or fall on its own merit or lack thereof. No other theory needs to be presented. I wholeheartedly agree with Petrushka's entailments. They are rather good. If one could convince me on the evidence that: molecular evolution is possible (as described), the fossil record reflects sequential change, and the earth is old enough then I would join the neo-Darwinian evolution camp. But please, convince me on the evidence that these challenges have adequate answers, not on the canard that the other theory isn't as scientifically elegant.Moose Dr
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Anything petruska argues will be interesting. However getting off the ground is tough in his case. How an abstract representation would emerge at least at this point in time seems like a stone wall. Joe, I think Patrick's hatred for ID is getting the best of him in this case. Someone capable of programming at his level should have no trouble following the line of evidence unless he simply despises ID so much that ID's destruction is more relevant.junkdnathewhite
March 11, 2014
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From my perspective, it appears that Petrushko has laid the outlines of why evolution is a better theory, without providing any evidentiary support. In fact, the testable points he lays out would appear to all have been falsified at some level. It's hard to tell, without having his full or complete thesis. But it certainly looks like he lays out a list of tests that evolution has failed (saltation, fossil record stasis, Haldane's Dilemma), then posits Materialism under a different guise as Regularity.drc466
March 11, 2014
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Error. For evolution to be true the fossil record etc etc. nope. the fossil record must be shown first to represent the deposition events and these separated by heaps of time. anyways the fossil record only shows fossils. it doesn't show evolution in process. Its just speculation the fossils evolbved from each other. There is no biological evidence and their sequence would just be a coincidence even if it was all true. There is a error of presumption about fossil data points being fossil evidence of types of something evolving or changing over time. the fossil record can't be used for evidence of evolution including ideas about predictions. its a logical fallacy.Robert Byers
March 11, 2014
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From Wikipedia:
A code is a rule for converting a piece of information (for example, a letter, word, phrase, or gesture) into another form or representation (one sign into another sign), not necessarily of the same type.
So with the genetic code we have DNA, specific codons of DNA, that then get transcibed into mRNA, which then get processed and translated into the unrelated polypeptide. So you have one type of molecule representing another different type of molecule. The DNA is NOT the code- the code is the rule for converting the DNA into a polypeptide. Two totally unrelated molecules- meaning one does not make up the other. Do the DNA codons become the amino acids? No, the DNA codons REPRESENT the amino acids. There isn't any physio-chemical reaction in which the codons transform into amino acids. The code is rael and completely arbitrary.Joe
March 11, 2014
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And over on the tsz thread VJT linked to we have none other than Patrick "MathGrrl" May denying tat the genetic code is actually a code. The genetic code fits the definition of an actual code. I guess real codes are an issue for materialism and therefor must be denied except when attributed to usJoe
March 11, 2014
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VJT posted:
(c) I deny the possibility of any agent’s designing an organism from the top down. In order for a thing – be it a person, an animal, a plant or a mineral – to be a genuine entity in its own right (and not just a virtual reality imitation of an entity), it has to be fully specified, at all levels, from the bottom to the top. This is because the top-level of an entity does not, and cannot, determine all of the details at the bottom. I’ve written more about this here: http://www.angelfire.com/linux.....eser2.html . What this means is that the Designer cannot achieve His ends merely by willing the results; He has to actually do some engineering, at the molecular level;
Umm designing something from the top-down means first conceptualizing the whole and then making it so. Computers and cars are top-down and all the details at the bottom are there. That is part of the process. You get to the bottom details by working your way down from the top. But anyway it seems that you are using the term in a manner that is not consistent with how designers use it.Joe
March 11, 2014
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As for Richie Hughes' input:
Who is / was the designer? What was their motivation(s)? What was their method of fabrication? How many design interventions were there? What specifically was designed? What specifically wasn’t designed?
The first 4 are irrelevant to ID. As Dembski et al., say ID is about the study of design in nature. And to answer those questions design is first detected and then studied. Heck we don't know the who, the motivation nor the how of Stonehenge and that structure is within our capabilities. So although VJT answered them it doesn't mean they are part of ID. ID doesn't stop anyone from answering them, it is just that they are separate from ID. This has been explained many times to Richie. And it is very telling that he refuses to understand it.Joe
March 11, 2014
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F/N: The first PS by Petrushka seems to be a bit of elephant-hurling. What is P's thesis, and specifically what evidence from those journals substantiates it in respect of OOL and OOBPs . . . let's abbreviate origin of body plans, it will come up fairly frequently . . . in such a way that on inference to best current explanation [IBCE] per observed, empirical facts, blind watchmaker mechanisms make designoid a better answer than designed. Reckon with the billions of cases of FSCO/I around us including text in this thread and the machines we are viewing such on, etc etc, and our uniform observation as to source of same backed up by the needle in haystack challenge. KF PS: The count on your article is now: 125,503. This is a new phenomenon at UD.kairosfocus
March 11, 2014
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Hi, Petrushka Long time, no see. I missed you. You know well my position. Each protein superfamily, or if you prefer basic protein domain, is a saltation, and suggests a design inference. The dFSCI in protein families has been calculated by Durston, and is well beyond the probabilistic resources of our planet. You ask if "different living things have different quantities of CSI". Yes, I think so. But CSI is best calculated for single objects, like proteins. In that sense, a species which has more protein genes has more CSI (at that level). Obviously, there is a lot of CSI that we cannot yet calculate, for example all the regulatory complexity of the procedures, because we still do not understand well where that information is. This, just to begin. Old themes, but always interesting.gpuccio
March 11, 2014
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PS: I also indicated that I would wait five comments before making a comment (which I distinguish from a full post in my own right.) Notice, the above is no 8. Though, of course, I expected to host such a response myself. I would have given an intro, then laid it out, similar to other guest posts I have hosted. Which BTW remains on offer separate from this. If you have something significant to say, talk with me about doing a guest-post.kairosfocus
March 11, 2014
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VJT: thanks for letting me see this. Was the response posted somewhere at TSZ or the like, or was it sent in to you as an email or the like? (If not, I think you or someone else with posting privileges there should post it there with links going both ways, so there can be a real parallel.) I am too busy to do a point by point right off, but the above is an outline summary not a full answer, it would be interesting to see the full response. I do know Petrushka claimed to have been working on a response; one hopes something more substantial will be brought to bear. I will note that the outset point tries to imply or lead the reader to infer that the design inference on signs such as FSCO/I is untestable. But that gambit fails, and should have been long since known to be a failure. Any scheme that seeks to generate say a sense making text string in excess of 72 ASCII characters by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity without intelligent direction is a test. So far, for instance, random text generation programs have been set up and have attained 24 characters in a coherent English phrase, about 1 in 10^50, a factor of 10^100 too short. This is directly relevant to random program generation and random writing of functional genetic info. Where, it should be well understood that the culling based on differential reproductive success part is a SUBTRACTION of info process, so the schemes critically depend on chance variation to incrementally write the megabits of DNA info required to generate body plans. I note, too, that once we move from chemicals in a pond or the like to a functioning cell, the need for complex clusters of parts in proper match and arrangement to work will immediately be a sharp constraint on workable configs from the space of possible configs in the pond or the like. (One can do a crude toy count by dicing up into cells of appropriate scale and in effect doing an undo diffusion estimation. That should be a warning already.) This sets the stage -- yes it does -- for body plan origin challenges. Dozens of times over, complex organ systems and networks have to be assembled into coherent wholes. Again, this imposes a stringent constraint on possible configs, and leads straight to the search for shores of function in vast seas of non-function challenge. We are dealing with info on order of 10's of Mbits here, even before we deal with the implied pop genetics challenges to fix so much info incrementally. And as for co-opting other structures, we run into the need to have just right matched parts available and able to couple and config, where for many structures such as wings, loss of function before gain of function is a big challenge. Thus, there is a strong presumption in favour of isolation of islands of function. One that can only be seriously overcome by showing empirical cases, i.e. we are looking at the need for showing cause, i.e. the vera causa constraint. It would be interesting to see an actual demonstration of body plan level evolution on credible blind chance and mechanical necessity, with something we observe. Failing such, the inference behind darwinism and the various related schools of thought will be unavoidably highly speculative and ideological. Thus contentious, and those who question will have serious questions when they see things like this from Lewontin:
the problem is to get them [people] to reject irrational and supernatural explanations of the world, the demons that exist only in their imaginations [--> ideologically deeply loaded and laced with toxic contempt], and to accept a social and intellectual apparatus, Science, as the only begetter of truth [--> NB: this is a knowledge claim about knowledge and its possible sources, i.e. it is a claim in philosophy not science; it is thus self-refuting]. . . . It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes [--> another major begging of the question . . . ] to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute [--> i.e. here we see the fallacious, indoctrinated, ideological, closed mind . . . ], for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. [NYRB, Jan 1997, cf fuller excerpt and notes here to see that this is not a case of citation out of context that is misleading on the issues being highlighted.]
KFkairosfocus
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The point of CSI is to see if it is present or not. Its presence is a sign of design. There isn't any need for an exact number and using Crick and Shannon we are only accounting for the physical information wrt biology anyway. Meaning we won't account for all of the biological information.Joe
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If CSI or any of its variants are to be cited, please discuss whether different living things have different quantities of CSI. For example, does a human have more CSI than a mouse? Than an insect? Than an onion? Please show your calculation.
Very good point, and I've tried to argue we have to be careful with CSI! The ID community can't even agree on simple CSI calculations: Paradox in calculating CSI for 2000 coins Winston made some very good counter arguments, and in my view, none in the ID community has universal agreement! Sometimes I may seem like a turncoat when I agree with Darwinists, but it's my policy, if I think they've said something true, even if damaging to the ID enterprise, it is better for the ID community to acknowledge a difficulty and try to find remedies. I have tried to find remedies to smaller cases of Design like homochirality (which are essentially the statistics of fair coins). More complex designs await another attempt at unassailable theories. We've take a few good first shots, but it doesn't mean the ID community can't improve on clarity, and that means being able to agree on measuring bits of CSI or, better yet, imho, just stating rote probability and dumping information theory for the time being. We were able to vanquish Nick Matzke without having to invoke all the complexities and conceptual abstractions of CSI. That mode of unassailability is what I seek for the ID enterprise.scordova
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vjt:
I also agree with Petrushka that Intelligent Design theory needs to say more about the Designer in order to generate a scientifically testable.
That's crazy talk. The way to the designer is through the design- that is in the absence of direct observation or designer input. ID predicts that when intelligent agencies act within nature tey tend to leave traces of their actions behind. Both CSI and irreducible complexity are such traces.Joe
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LoL! As if that was a response to KF. What petrushka posts in no way supports blind watchmaker evolution- he/ she is still an equivocator. Not only that he/ she is incorrect. I like how "regularity" has been redefined to include everything. That's just hilarious. That we have to be abl;e to know the capabilities of the designer is a joke because we know the capabilities by what they designed. We cannot test if humans of thousands of years ago were capable of building Stonehenge. The reference to peer-review is a big lie as there isn't anything in peer-review that supports blind physical processes producing molecular machinery. And Newton's four rules of scientific investigation make the explanatory filter relevant- thanks for proving that you don't understand science. Also it is up to YOU to show that natural history is suffiecient- again your difficulty with science is showing. As for CSI well that follows from Cricks Central Dogma and biological information = sequence specificity. And again you wouldn't have to worry about CSI if your position actually had some evidence to support it. One of the claims of ID is natural history cannot account for biological information.Joe
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Petrushka and I actually share similar views of what constitutes science (sometimes to the chagrin of my ID associates). Darwinian or other forms of evolution have testable mechanisms, but they fail both empirically and theoretically. The biosphere is evolving downward in coordinated complexity. But it is at least directly testable. ID is composed of two theories, Design theories and Intelligence theories. Design theory merely identifies objects that conform to our notions of something being designed, all that can be formally tested is that something isn't the product of law and chance (a process that tends to evolve toward more uncertainty). That is empirical, that is scientific, but it says nothing of origins or history. It can be used however to critique evolutionary theories which claim to create the appearance of a violation of chance and law. So in the sense D-theories (Design theories) are clearly scientific, but answer different questions than evolutionism. Now if we combine D-theories with theories of intelligence, we get ID and then things get complicated. At least in principle we have a model that will at least work, but then we have an absent designer. The problem is intelligent agencies don't have to behave with regularity, they can choose not to show up in our lab and field observations. If we had even one observation of God witnessed by all people in the world, we could reasonably hypothesis he made life. The problem with the Stonehenge example is that we can say it passes the EF and thus conforms to a design according to Design theory (D-theory). We can also believe it was intelligently designed because we know humans exist and can make such designs, and thus we can reasonably assert ID for Stonehenge. The problem with the design of life is that we have not had one universal observation of God (or some other capable designer), whereas we have had universal observations of other humans. Imho, the better model is at least one that will work in principle. A mindless evolutionary model is one that cannot work in principle, but that is not to say ID is not without it's challenges. I accept ID, and maybe one day, all of us will meet the Designer of life. Not only from a personal level does Pascal's wager work, but even from a technological level. If ID is false, what is there to lose? Nothing. If ID is true, there might be much to gain because then things we might view a junk might be discovered to be wonderful engineering. So in view of the uncertainties on both side, ID is a superior venture. So I accept ID is true, that the Designer is God, that is a superior theory, but I also acknowledge the hypothesis has its challenges in terms of believability because of the absence of seeing the Designer. A theory might be true, but truth doesn't always equate to believability, and that is the problem with invisible and unseen designers.scordova
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Petrushka - parsley ?Dionisio
March 11, 2014
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Hi everyone: I'm putting up this comment, not as a critique of Petrushka's model, but purely in order to sketch the outlines of one Intelligent Design counter-model that might be developed. If others want to put up rival models of their own, then I'd invite them to do so. I fully agree with Petrushka that in order for evolution to be true, molecular evolution must be possible. However, I would submit that the evidence suggests that large-scale molecular evolution isn't possible. On the level of protein evolution, evidence amassed by Dr. Douglas Axe and Dr. Ann Gauger points to the fact that the "islands of function" are separated by gaps which are much greater than Nature is capable of traversing, in the time available. (For evidence to support this assertion, the curious reader may consult the relevant articles over at the Biologic Institute Website, at http://www.biologicinstitute.org/ .) So that's my Number One reason for rejecting unguided evolution. I also agree with Petrushka that Intelligent Design theory needs to say more about the Designer in order to generate a scientifically testable. I make the following assumptions about the Designer (Whom I believe to be God, although I would not claim to be able to prove this belief scientifically): (a) I assume that the Designer's motivation was to make a universe fit for living things, and especially conscious, intelligent beings, and to make it in a way that intelligent beings could discover His existence. I summarize the evidence for the fine-tuning argument here: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/is-god-a-good-theory-a-response-to-sean-carroll-part-two/ . See also Dr. Robin Collins' new paper, "The Fine-Tuning for Discoverability" at http://home.messiah.edu/~rcollins/Fine-tuning/Greer-Heard%20Forum%20paper%20draft%20for%20posting.pdf , which I blogged about here: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/an-excellent-new-paper-by-robin-collins-on-fine-tuning/ ; (b) while I assume no built-in limit to the Designer's power, I deny that the Designer is capable of generating complexity from simplicity, any more than He is capable of making a square circle, for reasons which I have elaborated here: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/an-exchange-with-an-id-skeptic/ and https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/what-kind-of-universe-cant-god-make-a-response-to-dr-james-f-mcgrath/ . At the very least, the universe must have been front-loaded in order to generate the specified complexity (as described by Paul Davies) that we find in living things. I would also refer readers to the paper, "Life’s Conservation Law: Why Darwinian Evolution Cannot Create Biological Information" by Professor William A. Dembski and Dr. Robert J. Marks II, at http://www.evoinfo.org/papers/ConsInfo_NoN.pdf ; (c) I deny the possibility of any agent's designing an organism from the top down. In order for a thing - be it a person, an animal, a plant or a mineral - to be a genuine entity in its own right (and not just a virtual reality imitation of an entity), it has to be fully specified, at all levels, from the bottom to the top. This is because the top-level of an entity does not, and cannot, determine all of the details at the bottom. I've written more about this here: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/vjtorley/feser2.html . What this means is that the Designer cannot achieve His ends merely by willing the results; He has to actually do some engineering, at the molecular level; (d) I assume that the Designer works as economically as possible, and with a minimum of effort. Dr. Rob Sheldon's paper, "The Front-Loading Fiction" at http://web.archive.org/web/20090715062610/http://procrustes.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/01/the_front-loading_fiction.thtml puts paid to the notion, still popular with some theistic evolutionists, that it would have been easier to design living things by writing a program that would generate them all. As Dr. Sheldon shows, there isn't a program that could do that in our cosmos, where space and time are quantized - and building a universe with continuous space and time would require infinitely more detail on the Designer's part. It's therefore more economical to assume that the Designer manipulates the cosmos when He needs to; (e) on the other hand, creating each species de novo would be like reinventing the wheel. I therefore assume that the Designer intervenes in the biological world by modifying the genes and proteins of existing organisms. Hence I accept common descent. Now to some more specific questions, in response to a challenge put up over at the Skeptical Zone by Richard Hughes (see http://theskepticalzone.com/wp/?p=4228 ): Who is / was the designer? As I've said, I believe the Designer to be God, although I can't prove that scientifically. What was their motivation(s)? To make a universe fit for living things, and especially conscious, intelligent beings, and to make it in a way that intelligent beings could discover His existence. What was their method of fabrication? Divine fiat, beginning with the laws and constants of Nature, and subsequently, at the dawn of life and at various times during the history of life. A few cosmic events may have also been achieved through direct intervention (e.g. formation of the solar system, or the Earth-moon system, or the collision of the comet that killed the dinosaurs with planet Earth). How many design interventions were there? At least 10 trillion, or 10^13. [Update: 10^12 is probably a better estimate, as the average life-time of a species is 5 million years, and the current proliferation of species goes back a little over 500 million years - hence the proportion of species that have ever lived which are still alive today is probably closer to 1% than 0.1%, as I assumed in (2).] Justification: (1) Most of the species that have lived on Earth have arisen since the beginning of the Cambrian period, 542 million years ago. (2) The proportion of species that have ever lived which are still alive today is about 0.1%, or 1 in 1,000. (3) The number of species living today is about 10 million (some estimates go as high as 50 million). (4) Each species, according to Dr. Branko Kozulic’s online paper, “Proteins and Genes, Singletons and Species,” has about 1,000 singleton proteins (and a similar number of genes) which are chemically unrelated to any other proteins (or genes) and which we can safely assumed were designed. 1,000 x 10,000,000 x 1,000 = 10 trillion. Front-loading all these proteins would have been infeasible, as Dr. Robert Sheldon shows in his 2009 article, “The Front-loading Fiction” at http://web.archive.org/web/20090715062610/http://procrustes.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/01/the_front-loading_fiction.thtml . Yes, I have done the math. I realize that 10^13 interventions over 500 million-odd years means 20,000 per year, or about 60 per day (most of them, I assume, in places like the Amazon, which abound in species). [Update: If the true number of interventions is 10^12 rather than 10^13, as I argued above, that would still mean an average of 6 interventions per day, or roughly 2,000 a year. That may sound like a lot, but it's just a corollary of the statement that 2 new species, each with 1,000 distinct singleton proteins and genes, arise somewhere around the world every year. My guess would be that these are engineered pretty much simultaneously for any given species, and there may even by some degree of synchronization between the engineering of proteins and genes in different species; but I could be very wrong here.] Incidentally, I don’t necessarily think the tempo of evolution is uniform: probably speciation takes place in waves, so the rate may fluctuate. Also, I’m not sure how many individuals get new proteins implanted in them by the Creator when a new species (as defined by Kozulic) originates. I’ve assumed it’s 1, but if it’s 1,000, then you’d have to multiply my 10^13 figure by 10^3, which gives you 10^16. What specifically was designed? Proteins. RNA. DNA. Molecular machines. The first living cell. The eukaryotic cell. The different body types for complex animals. The different cell types in each plant, fungus and complex animal. The human body. All these systems were designed incrementally, for two reasons: (i) the design process had to occur in sync with the Creator’s terra-forming of planet Earth over the last 4 billion years, to make it fit for life and especially, complex life-forms like us; (ii) incremental design would have ensured maximal stability, minimizing the need for any further Divine intervention to prop up systems in order to prevent them toppling over. An incremental design process also means that new organs & organelles were designed by modifying pre-existing biological systems – which is why human embryos have tails, and why systems like the giraffe’s laryngeal nerve look awkward from an engineering viewpoint (although they actually do quite a good job – see http://www.icr.org/article/recurrent-laryngeal-nerve-not-evidence/ ). What specifically wasn’t designed? Junk DNA (yes, I’m happy to acknowledge there is some, though nowhere near as much as evolutionists assume).vjtorley
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