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Alfred Russel Wallace’s take, explicitly.

From ScienceDaily:

Not every encounter between predator and prey results in death. A new study co-authored by a University of Tennessee, Knoxville, professor suggests that prey emit warning cues that can ultimately lead to both their survival and that of their predators.

The hypothesis addresses a 150-year-old mystery of evolution on how warning signals of animals and plants arise and explains animals’ instinctive avoidances of dangerous prey.

In 1867, Alfred Russel Wallace, co-proponent with Charles Darwin of the theory of evolution through natural selection, proposed that animals evolve colorful, distinctively recognizable appearances to advertise their distastefulness or toxicity to predators. Despite a number of attempts, however, no satisfactory evolutionary mechanism for the origin of warning cues has been proposed.

Leading theories postulate that predators know to avoid prey after eating one that harmed them.

By “leading theories,” the researcher means Darwinism, of course.

The obvious problem, possibly not evident to the Darwinist, is that the “last meal of the condemned” approach to safety training is not very efficient over the long term.

Burghardt and Weldon suggest predators don’t have to learn to avoid prey from the experience of eating distasteful or poisonous ones. They instinctively know to stay away because they are sensitive to the prey’s chemical signals or they recognize the visual or behavioral warning cues being displayed. They call this mechanism “concurrent reciprocal selection,” which means the signals being emitted by the prey and the predators’ sensitivity to the signals repel one from the other and work simultaneously, ensuring both can survive. A predator that ignores its sensitivity to the toxic prey perishes, as does the prey that is consumed.

This approach might be correct or incorrect in a given case, but it certainly makes more inherent sense. The prey’s warning signals (alarming sights, sounds, smells, etc.) may code for a neurological avoidance response in the predator.

Of course it wouldn’t always work; the predator may be too desperate to care. But it may work just enough of the time that the trait gets passed on by both parties. As for complex signalling, remember, at one time we didn’t know about the bee dance either…

Here’s the abstract:

Casualties and impediments inflicted on consumers by defended prey, and vice versa, may be averted by vocalizations, postures, coloration, scents, and other warning, or so-called aposematic, displays. The existence of aposematic signals has challenged biologists who have sought plausible mechanisms for their evolution. Here, we elaborate on the rationale for the hypothesis that aposematic signals arise via concurrent reciprocal selection (CRS) enacted between inimical signal receivers and signal emitters, where signal emitters, e.g., defended prey, select against non-discriminating signal receivers, e.g., predators, and signal receivers select against unrecognized signal emitters. It is postulated that this mutual selective interaction culminates in the survival of discriminating signal receivers that avoid signal emitters, and recognized (distinctive) signal emitters that are avoided by signal receivers. A CRS hypothesis for the evolution of aposematism, therefore, maintains that distinctive features of prey arise in response to selection imposed by consumers, and that avoidances of those features by consumers arise in response to selection imposed by defended prey. We discuss the plausible inception of aposematism via CRS in light of related hypotheses, and describe points of concordance with previous observations and suggestions on the origin of aposematism. Aposematism arising via CRS is not contingent upon the relatedness of signallers, aversions acquired by learning, or other conditions postulated for some other evolutionary hypotheses. CRS is a credible alternative hypothesis for the evolution of warning signals in diverse consumer-prey interactions. (paywall) – Paul J. Weldon, Gordon M. Burghardt. Evolving détente: the origin of warning signals via concurrent reciprocal selection. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 2015; DOI: 10.1111/bij.12565

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This is what Mayr says in "What evolution Is":
Natural selection- the process by which in every generation individuals of lower fitness get removed from the population
Where does chance (stochastic processes) enter the process of selection? The first step in selection, the production of genetic variation, is almost exclusively a chance phenomenon except that the nature of the changes at a given locus is strongly constrained. Chance also plays an important role even at the second step, the process of elimination of less fit individuals. Chance may be particularly important in the haphazard survival during periods of mass extinction.
Virgil Cain
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Zachriel, Any and all confusion is yours and yours alone. Natural selection includes mutation and I can provide many references that support that claim.
Mayr defines selection as “a process of ‘nonrandom elimination.'”
It is as there isn't an equal probability with respect to what is eliminated. That is what all evolutionary biologists mean when they say that natural selection is non-random.
Later he uses the term selection to refer to evolutionary by natural selection, but makes his point clear by the use of the modifier “actual process of selection”.
1- There can be evolution absent of selection 2- Natural selection, the process, is "differential reproduction due to heritable, happenstance mutations" Your confusion is due to your lack of understanding caused by years of supporting a strawman version of natural selection.
The problem is only apparent due to your quote-mine.
Except we didn't quote him. Obviously you are confused.
In any case, the vast majority of biologists make a distinction between selection and the sources of variation.
In any case natural selection includes mutation and, in the case of the modern synthesis, wouldn't exist without it.
“Natural selection is the simple result of variation, differential reproduction, and heredity—it is mindless and mechanistic.”- UCBerkley
“Natural selection is therefore a result of three processes, as first described by Darwin: Variation Inheritance Fecundity which together result in non-random, unequal survival and reproduction of individuals, which results in changes in the phenotypes present in populations of organisms over time.”- Allen McNeill
Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Mayr’s is a peer-reviewed article. If you have an objection then perhaps you should try to author a rebuttal and get it published. Mayr makes his point clear in context. You're the one who seems to be confused. Mayr defines selection as "a process of 'nonrandom elimination.'" Later he uses the term selection to refer to evolutionary by natural selection, but makes his point clear by the use of the modifier "actual process of selection". The problem is only apparent due to your quote-mine. In any case, the vast majority of biologists make a distinction between selection and the sources of variation.Zachriel
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Zachriel, Mayr's is a peer-reviewed article. If you have an objection then perhaps you should try to author a rebuttal and get it published.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: As far as we know you quote-mined as you refused to provide a proper citation. Mayr, The objects of selection, PNAS 1997. Virgil Cain: Not only that what you posted doesn’t seem to be inconsistent at all. Sure it's inconsistent. He talks about the first step of "selection", meaning evolution by natural selection, then he talks of the second step as "actual selection".Zachriel
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Zachriel:
We pointed to a specific example of how Mayr is using the term inconsistently.
As far as we know you quote-mined as you refused to provide a proper citation. Not only that what you posted doesn't seem to be inconsistent at all. Perhaps you could try to actually make your case as opposed to being nebulous.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Mayr is one of the architects of the modern synthesis We pointed to a specific example of how Mayr is using the term inconsistently.Zachriel
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Zachriel:
Mayr uses heterodox and inconsistent terminology.
Mayr is one of the architects of the modern synthesis whereas Zachriel is a known obfuscator. The fact remains that mutation is part of natural selection.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Mayr calls it the first step in natural selection and states that it- mutation- is happenstance, as in accidental, not planned nor guided. Mayr uses heterodox and inconsistent terminology. For instance, in "The objects of selection", he refers to selection, by which he sometimes means evolution by natural selection, then the second step as "the actual process of selection".Zachriel
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Zachriel:
However, natural selection does tend to reduce diversity in a population, while mutation increases it.
Natural selection includes mutation. Mayr calls it the first step in natural selection and states that it- mutation- is happenstance, as in accidental, not planned nor guided.Virgil Cain
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Box: NS is just another term for loss of information. There's lots of ways information can be lost, so they are not equivalent. However, natural selection does tend to reduce diversity in a population, while mutation increases it. Silver Asiatic: It is a mathematical tautology’. So is Newtonian Mechanics.Zachriel
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Zach #67, I know. I have acknowledged that. What's important is that we agree on the negative role of NS wrt evolution: NS is just another term for loss of information.Box
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Repeating your claim is not an argument in support of the claim.
And yet all you have done is baldly repeat your claims.Virgil Cain
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Zachriel:
We provided specific support for the claim that natural selection is not a nebulous concept.
No, you didn't. You provided a paper but you refused to make a case that it refuted our claim.
Meanwhile, new variations (information) are constantly being created through mutation and other processes.
The debate is whether or not those processes are blind watchmaker processes or are they purposely guided by some design/ plan.Virgil Cain
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Z 51 From Frank, Natural Selection, Price Equation 2012
In Frank (1995), I wrote: ‘What problems can the Price equation solve that cannot be solved by other methods? The answer is, of course, none, because the Price Equation is derived from, and is no more than, a set of notational conventions. It is a mathematical tautology’. Nowak & Highfield (2011) and van Veelen et al. (2012) emphasize the same point in their critique of the Price equation, although they present the argument as a novel insight without attribution. Given that the Price equation is a set of notational conventions, it cannot uniquely specify any predictions or insights. A particular set of assumptions leads to the same predictions, no matter what notational conventions one uses. The Price equation is a tool that sometimes helps in analysis or in seeing general connections between apparently disparate ideas. For many problems, the Price equation provides no value, because it is the wrong tool for the job. If the Price equation is just an equivalence, or tautology, then why am I enthusiastic about it? Mathematics is, in its essence, about equivalences, as expressed beautifully in the epigraph from Mazur. Not all equivalences are interesting or useful, but some are, just as not all mathematical expressions are interesting or useful, but some are. That leads us to the question of how we might know whether the Price equation is truly useful or a mere identity? It is not always easy to say exactly what makes an abstract mathematical equivalence interesting or useful. However, given the controversy over the Price equation, we should try. Because there is no single answer, or even a truly unique and unambiguous question, the problem remains open. I list a few potential factors.
Silver Asiatic
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Box: Those traits to which you referred as “heritable advantages” would also be there without half the population being killed off. We wouldn't refer to them as "heritable advantages", in the context of natural selection, unless they provide a reproductive advantage.Zachriel
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Zach: Meanwhile, new variations (information) are constantly being created through mutation and other processes.
Yep. That's where pure magic happens. And then NS steps in wielding its machine gun.Box
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Zach
Are you claiming that the scientific evidence indicates that the orbit of the asteroid, Ceres, is being directed by an intelligent agent?
'Directed' is a nebulous term.Silver Asiatic
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Zach: They’re not “heritable advantages” under natural selection unless there are differences in reproductive potential.
Sure, that's why I used quotation marks, as in “heritable advantages”. Okay let me spell it out for you:
Those traits to which you referred as “heritable advantages” would also be there without half the population being killed off.
Box
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Box: Indeed, that is synonymous to a huge loss of information. That's correct (given a standard definition of information). It can be represented as a bell curve. When selection is weak, the bell curve will be wide, but when under balancing selection, the curve becomes more narrow. The same often occurs with directional selection, at least initially, creating a skewed distribution. http://www.buzzle.com/images/diagrams/stabilizing-selection-bell-curve.jpg Meanwhile, new variations (information) are constantly being created through mutation and other processes.Zachriel
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Zach: Natural selection can result in the spread of character traits through a population. That’s hardly trivial, (...)
Indeed, that is synonymous to a huge loss of information.Box
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Box: Those “heritable advantages” would also be there without half the population being killed off. They're not "heritable advantages" under natural selection unless there are differences in reproductive potential. You're posing a non sequitur. It's important to note that an advantage doesn't have to lead to life and death, but simply to differences in successful reproduction.Zachriel
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Zach,
Box: Let’s say we have 4 slightly different individuals of the same species. NS kills off 2 of them. How does this give “other chances for the ones that do survive to create something new”?
Zach: If natural selection “killed off” half the population that means there are heritable advantages in the half that survived.
Those “heritable advantages” would also be there without half the population being killed off. So what is gained? Nothing new. In fact, thanks to NS, information is lost.Box
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Virgil Cain: Our claim stands. Repeating your claim is not an argument in support of the claim. We provided specific support for the claim that natural selection is not a nebulous concept. You have repeatedly failed to address that support.Zachriel
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Our claim stands. And that equation has never been demonstrated to reflect reality.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Our claim still stands unopposed. Your claim was that "Natural selection can result in the spread of character traits through a population" is a nebulous claim. We provided a clear and specific equation describing natural selection.Zachriel
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Our claim still stands unopposed.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Price’s equation is under debate and far from demonstrating anything real. That wasn't your claim.Zachriel
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Price's equation is under debate and far from demonstrating anything real.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain: Don’t see how that helps you though. Price's equation shows that the claim is not nebulous, but clear and specific.Zachriel
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