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When I come across a new idea, I like to see if there are any relatively simple and obvious arguments that can be levied for or against it.  When I first came across ID, this is the simple argument I used that validated it – IMO – as a real phenomenon and a valid scientific concept.

Simply put, I know intelligent design exists – humans (at least, if not other animals) employ it.  I use it directly.   I know that intelligent design as humans employ it can (but not always) generate phenomena that are easily discernible as products of intelligent design.  Anyone who argues that a battleship’s combination of directed specificity and/or complexity is not discernible from the complexity found in the materials after an avalanche is either committing intellectual dishonesty or willful self-delusion – even if the avalanche was deliberately caused, and even if the rocks were afterward deliberately rearranged to maintain their haphazard distribution.

Some have argued that we only “recognize” human design, and that such recognition may not translate to the intelligent design of non-human intelligence.  The easy answer to that is that first, we do not always recognize the product of human design. In fact, we often design things to have a natural appearance. That we may not recognize all intelligent design is a given and simply skirts the issue of that which we can recognize.

Second, it is again either delusion or dishonesty to ignore a simple hypothetical exercise: in some cases, were we to find certain kinds of objects/phenomena [edited for clarity] on distant,  uninhabited and otherwise desolate planets, would we be able to infer that such  were most likely specifically designed by intelligent creatures of some sort for some purpose?

Again, the obvious answer to this except in cases of delusion or or dishonesty is “yes”.   Then the question becomes: without a scientifically valid means of making such a determination, how would one be made? Intuition? Common sense? Is the recognizable difference between such artifacts and those that appear to be natural not a quantifiable commodity? If not, how do we go about making the case that something we find on such a planet is not a naturally-occurring phenomena, especially in cases that are not so obvious?  There must be some scientifically-acceptable means of making such a determination – after all, resources committed to research depend upon a proper categorical determination; it would quite wasteful attempting to explain a derelict alien spacecraft in terms of natural processes – time and money better spent trying to reverse engineer the design for practical use and attempting to discern the purpose of its features.

Thus, after we make the determination that said object/phenomenon is the product of intelligent design, our investigatory heuristic is different from what it would be were we to assume the artifact is not intelligently designed.  A scientific, categorical distinction is obviously important in future research.

The idea that there is no discernible or quantifiable difference between some products of ID and what nature produces without it, or that such a determination is irrelevant, is absurd. One might argue that the method by which ID proponents make the differential evaluation between natural and product of ID (FSCI, dFSCI, Irreducible Complexity, Semiotic System) is incorrect or insufficient, but one can hardly argue such a difference doesn’t exist or is not quantifiable in some way, nor can they argue that it makes no difference to the investigation.  One can hardly argue, IMO, that those attempts to scientifically describe that difference are unreasonable, because they obviously point at least in spirit to that which obviously marks the difference.  IMO, the argument cannot be against ID in spirit, but rather only about the best way to scientifically account for the obvious difference between some cases of ID and otherwise naturally-occurring phenomena, whether or not that “best accounting” indicts some phenomena as “product of design” that many would prefer not to be the case.

The only intellectually honest position is to admit ID exists; that there is some way to describe the differential in a scientific sense to make useful categorical distinctions (as “best explanation”), and then to accept without ideological preference when that differential is used to make such a determination.  If the best explanation for biological life is that it was intelligently designed, then so be it; this should be of no more concern to any true scientist than if a determination is made that some object found on a distant planet was intelligently designed, or if a feature on Mars is best explained as the product of water erosion.  To categorically deny ID as a valid, scientific explanatory category (arrowheads?  geometric patterns found via Google Earth? battleships? crop circles? space shuttle? potential alien artifacts?) is ideological absurdity.

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LarTanner: I'm not making a case about organic life. Graham2: When people refuse to directly answer specific questions (like that which I posed at the end of #23), I find it usually to be in order to protect their ideology.William J Murray
January 20, 2013
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WJM: I dont think we have a method of distinguishing designed from not-designed, yet. Most of the time we just rely on the 'I know it when I see it' method: it seems bleeding obvious that a watch is designed, and a rock isnt. As KN points out, it could get even more interesting on another planet where even this breaks down.Graham2
January 20, 2013
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According to ID theory, what is it specifically that was designed? What are the best examples of humans intelligently designing organic life? This kind of design cannot be artificial selection because AS uses pre-existing, living things; AS directs or influences life without designing it in the sense meant by ID. Neither are we talking about genetic modification, for something like the same reason. So, what are the examples we use to say that we see intelligent design of living things around us? What are the examples of making new organisms and establishing their mode of life, growth, population interaction, and ecological position? It's one thing to talk about watches and machines, and entirely another to talk about living forms and living systems.LarTanner
January 20, 2013
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I find that very perplexing — how can one be, and the other not? Isn’t that very contrast central to the whole ID position?
Considering that ID holds that the natural world shows evidence of design I don't see how that could be the the case. :) Are beaver dams natural while human constructed dams are not?Mung
January 20, 2013
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Functions in Biological and Artificial Worlds: Comparative Philosophical Perspectives (Vienna Series in Theoretical Biology) [Bargain Price] nice. only $19.80Mung
January 20, 2013
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It's their extrinsic (i.e. relational) properties which determine whether they really are designed or not. Generally speaking, things that appear to be designed really are, and things that don't, aren't. But that classification depends on a great deal of background knowledge about who or what designed them, and how, and why. In the case of objects found on extra-terrestrial planets, none of that background knowledge can be taken for granted, and my contention is that in the absence of that background knowledge, we would not even know how to apply our categories. No doubt we will figure out how to revise, even radically revise, our concepts in order to make sense of whatever it is that we discover out there, but I don't think there's any principled method that we decide upon, merely by careful reflection while sitting in our armchairs, just how the revisions would proceed.Kantian Naturalist
January 20, 2013
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In a sense I agree with you. “Natural” is not a real category. But surely “designed” is a real category.
I find that very perplexing -- how can one be, and the other not? Isn't that very contrast central to the whole ID position?Kantian Naturalist
January 20, 2013
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WJM:
So, according to KN, a battleship and a space shuttle do not have intrinsic properties that provide sufficient warrant for a “best explanation” finding of “intelligently designed”.
But isn't it their extrinsic properties that make them appear designed? KN:
I don’t think that structures and objects just have intrinsic properties that tell us whether they belong in the ‘designed’ category or the ‘natural’ category.
Could you clarify what you mean by intrinsic properties? In a sense I agree with you. "Natural" is not a real category. But surely "designed" is a real category.Mung
January 20, 2013
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Graham2 said:
WJM: Nobody is denying the existence of Intelligent Design (as a general concept) … its all around us, but to make the leap from life to ‘a designer did it’ requires such a fantastically huge violation of Ockhams razor, its just not funny.
I think the real question is whether or not you agree in principle that there is a quantifiable difference between that which is easily recognizable as product of ID (battleship) and that which appears natural(rock/crystalline formation)? I mean, whether or not you agree that such a method of quantification has been found, and whether or not the various proposed methods have any merit, isn't it obvious that there is indeed some kind of quantifiable difference between the two - rock/crystalline natural formation & a battleship?William J Murray
January 20, 2013
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There’s no argument that I can make against those that deny the obvious.
Deny the Oblivious!Mung
January 20, 2013
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Graham2:
...but to make the leap from life to ‘a designer did it’ requires such a fantastically huge violation of Ockhams razor, its just not funny.
You don't understand Ockham's Razor. You're not alone. It's frequently abused in these debates.Mung
January 20, 2013
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KN @16:
I don’t think that structures and objects just have intrinsic properties that tell us whether they belong in the ‘designed’ category or the ‘natural’ category.
So, according to KN, a battleship and a space shuttle do not have intrinsic properties that provide sufficient warrant for a "best explanation" finding of "intelligently designed". There's no argument that I can make against those that deny the obvious.William J Murray
January 20, 2013
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WJM: Nobody is denying the existence of Intelligent Design (as a general concept) ... its all around us, but to make the leap from life to 'a designer did it' requires such a fantastically huge violation of Ockhams razor, its just not funny. FSCI etc are not much help here. Beloved of Dembski as they are, they are derided by anyone that understands that stuff.Graham2
January 20, 2013
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I don't think that "inferring design as the best explanation" actually captures what is going on in that thought-experiment. I think that if one were to leave a pile of cotton on a seemingly lifeless and barren moon or planet, and then returned later to find that it had been turned into cloth, anyone would just see it as having been purposefully transformed by some intelligent beings. We would just classify it as having been designed, or what's the same thing, we would experience it as having been designed. The inference-to-the-best-explanation comes in when we ask, "since it must have been designed by some intelligent being on this planet, let's see if we can find any further evidence of them -- maybe survey teams overlooked something." As for living things, I'll certainly grant that they are terribly complex in all sorts of fascinating ways, but they're not complex in the way that artifacts are. We can construct a general category, "stuff that's really complicated", and put both organisms and artifacts in that category. And what does that do for us? We can construct a category, "beverages", and put both coffee and wine in that category. But it certainly wouldn't follow that wine is made from beans, or coffee from grapes. Whether the relational property of having been designed applies to organisms, as it does to artifacts, depends on how impressed one is by the relevant similarities between them. I'm just not impressed by the similarities at all.Kantian Naturalist
January 20, 2013
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If I have a bunch of threads and leave them on an uninhabited planet, left to the "natural elements", laws of physics, etc, as they are currently understood, I don't expect to find them, after any period of time, (perhaps in a multiverse, but there could be a 747 next to it as well?) woven into a piece of cloth in a tight neat weave of the top quality that industry can produce. If I found them that way, I'd infer design as the best explanation (occam's razor?), even in the absence of any evidence of a designer. The most basic life seems more complex to me than this, so, I'd reach the same conclusion. Not sure which "scientific" test I'm applying though.es58
January 20, 2013
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William Murray asked:
So: is it your position that there is no, or can be no scientifically valid means of determining whether or not such an object found on such a planet is best explained as the product of ID, even if that ID couldn’t be empirically connected to humans?
In a sense, yes, for the following reason: I don't think that structures and objects just have intrinsic properties that tell us whether they belong in the 'designed' category or the 'natural' category. Think of it this way: we start with the least contentious items for the category of artifacts: the things that we know human beings make all the time. Then we ask, "well, what about chimpanzee nests? or beaver dams? or spider webs?" At some point we're going to make some tough calls, where we might say something like, "yeah, spider webs look like they're intentionally designed by the spider, but given how rudimentary the spider's brain is, the intricacy and organization of the spider web is really just a result of instinct." Now we consider some object discovered on another planet, and we ask, "designed or natural?" If the designers are sufficiently like us, then it will appear to us as designed; if they aren't, it's an open question. I don't see how we could, just by looking at the darn thing, decide which category it belongs to. It's perfectly plausible that it actually could be designed, but not appear to us as designed because the minds of the designers are too different from our own, and it's perfectly plausible that it could be natural, but appear to us as designed because of the peculiar geology or meteorology of that distant world. In short, I don't see how we could so much as detect, let alone avoid, either false positives or false negatives when it comes to objects found on alien worlds. At (7):
Also, it’s unclear that how a ‘conceptual classification grounded on perceptible similarities and differences’ couldn’t also be an inference to the best explanation.
Because inferences require judgments, and judgments require concepts, so inferences are what you do with something after it has either found a home within one's conceptual framework, or given one reasons to create a new concept (or family of concepts) and thereby revise one's conceptual framework. An object needs a home in a system of concepts before judgments about it can be entered into the inferential network, including scientific explanations.Kantian Naturalist
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Correction, first part should read: 'Quadruple helix' DNA discovered in human cells - January 20, 2013 Excerpt: In 1953, Cambridge researchers Watson and Crick published a paper,,,bornagain77
January 20, 2013
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Semi OT: OT: Yet another level of complexity discovered in DNA: 'Quadruple helix' DNA discovered in human cells - January 20, 2013 'Quadruple helix' DNA discovered in human cells January 20, 2013 In 1953, Cambridge researchers Watson and Crick published a paper describing the interweaving 'double helix' DNA structure - the chemical code for all life. Now, in the year of that scientific landmark's 60th Anniversary, Cambridge researchers have published a paper proving that four-stranded 'quadruple helix' DNA structures - known as G-quadruplexes - also exist within the human genome.,,, Physical studies over the last couple of decades had shown that quadruplex DNA can form in vitro - in the 'test tube', but the structure was considered to be a curiosity rather than a feature found in nature. The researchers now know for the first time that they actually form in the DNA of human cells. "This research further highlights the potential for exploiting these unusual DNA structures to beat cancer –,,, "It's been sixty years since its structure was solved but work like this shows us that the story of DNA continues to twist and turn.",,, While quadruplex DNA is found fairly consistently throughout the genome of human cells and their division cycles, a marked increase was shown when the fluorescent staining grew more intense during the 's-phase' - the point in a cell cycle where DNA replicates before the cell divides.,,, It's a philosophical question as to whether they are there by design or not - but they exist and nature has to deal with them.,,, "The 'quadruple helix' DNA structure may well be the key to new ways of selectively inhibiting the proliferation of cancer cells. The confirmation of its existence in human cells is a real landmark." http://phys.org/news/2013-01-quadruple-helix-dna-human-cells.htmlbornagain77
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AMEN. Spot on as the foreigners say. Mankind always has concluded complexity equals complex mechanisms equals a thinking being as opposed to something falling out of a tree. Saying its extreme to see a creator as even a option is just not well thought out opposition.Robert Byers
January 20, 2013
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Time out of mind it has been by way of the "final cause," by the teleological concept of end, of purpose or of "design," in one of its many forms (for its moods are many), that men have been chiefly wont to explain the phenomena of the living world, and it will be so while men have eyes to see and ears to hear withal. - D'Arcy Thompson
Organisms and Artifacts: Design in Nature and ElsewhereMung
January 20, 2013
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KN: Pardon, but there is no requirement that we have a procedure that with 100% reliability produces a decision IS/IS NOT an artifact [of whatever manufacture], in order to recognise on induction and related analysis, that we have certain reliable signs that point to design as best explanation: I: [signs} --> signified class of cause, on a Warrant WJM's point is that we are in such a position, and that is good enough to go. KFkairosfocus
January 20, 2013
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In #9: cut "another example", insert "an analogy".William J Murray
January 20, 2013
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es58: another example would be that we observe no flowing water on mars, but recently made an inference to best explanation that flowing water is the (provisional) best explanation for certain features. One might make all kinds of spurious and specious arguments against such a finding if they have some sort of biased commitment against "flowing water on Mars at some point in the past" as best explanation in the first place. One might argue that there is no evidence other than that which is contested that water ever flowed on Mars. They might contest that just because erosion generates certain noticeable effects under Earthly conditions doesn't mean those same effects cannot be reproduced on other planets via other mechanisms or materials. They might argue that since we only have erosion on Earth as a sample, there is not a large enough sample base to make a determination for features found on other planets. It is obvious that it is some sort of ideological bias/reaction to ID in particular that generates relentless spurious and specious objections even over trivial statements/hypotheticals.William J Murray
January 20, 2013
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I've posted the case here before; earth blows up tomorrow, and some time later, aliens arrive on Mars and find the rover there. Can they not determine it was the product of intelligent design?es58
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@KN It may be the case that we wouldn't be able to identify a structure as designed, but that's not to say we never could, nor that we could/would never be justified in inferring design. Also, it's unclear that how a 'conceptual classification grounded on perceptible similarities and differences' couldn't also be an inference to the best explanation. The point here is that the basic question is surely this: here is some stuff, how did it come about? And thus it's unclear how design could possibly be a non-starter without something deliberately (illegitimately) stopping it from starting.djockovic
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BTW, I edited the "artifact" in the O.P. so we will not get derailed via semantics.William J Murray
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KN, I didn't make a case about organisms, nor about FSCI (or any other proposed ID determiner) in particular. The case I made was about the fundamental concept of ID as valid outside of the most contested arena - organisms. So: is it your position that there is no, or can be no scientifically valid means of determining whether or not such an object found on such a planet is best explained as the product of ID, even if that ID couldn't be empirically connected to humans?William J Murray
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in some cases, were we to find certain kinds of artifacts on distant, uninhabited and otherwise desolate planets, would we be able to infer that such artifacts were most likely specifically designed by intelligent creatures of some sort for some purpose?
This is where things begin to go off the rails, and the problem lies in how that little word, "infer", is being used here. Obviously, once something has been classified as an artifact, it's analytically true, or "true by definition," that it was made by some intelligent being. So the inference from artifact to artificer is vacuously true. The real question is this: suppose we discover structures and objects on distant and alien worlds and form the belief that these are artifacts, i.e., we classify them as such. As I see it, the only basis for such classification would be the similarity of these structures and objects to ones that we already classify as artifacts. (For example, the alien objects might display symmetry or proportionality.) But of course one can easily imagine alien beings whose artifacts bear no resemblance to our own. Would intelligent aliens whose bodies are not bilaterally symmetrical have a sense of symmetry that we could recognize? Possibly, but I'm doubtful. In other words, what is described here as an "inference to the best explanation" is nothing of the kind: it is a matter of conceptual classification grounded on perceptible similarities and differences, together with an analytic inference that is trivially true, but only once the classification has been made. My chief complaint against design theory, given what I know of it, is that it collapses the organism/artifact distinction. The argument for design seems to be like this:
(1) organisms and artifacts both display functional complex specified information; (2) all FCSI in artifacts is due to human intelligence; (3) we don't know of merely physical process that can generate FCSI; (4) therefore it is highly likely that the FCSI in organisms is due to some non-human intelligence.
Now, a couple of things: (A) the conclusion, (4), is not in any sense a well-grounded scientific theory. This is an argument, not a theory, and woe to those who fail to grasp the difference! What has been reached in (4) is only the beginning of a scientific theory, because it has not been tested. All the "testing" that design theory has done so far is to establish (1)-(4) based on probability theory. (B) I think (1) is actually false, and that FCSI is actually a useless notion when all is said and done. For one thing, we do not observe FCSI -- FCSI is a posit, we postulate it, in order to account for the observable similarities between organisms and artifacts. But I think that the differences are far more striking than the similarities. Organisms are robust, have a lot of positive and negative feed-back cycles, can self-repair, have a lot of redundancy; artifacts tend to be brittle, have a simple construction with limited feedback cycles (if any), cannot self-repair, and have very little redundancy. The way that design theorists get around this is to say something that basically comes down to, "organisms and artifacts are exactly alike, except for all the differences". That's weak tea, man. It should go without saying, but around here it usually doesn't, that I'm generally sympathetic with some (but not all) of the criticisms of neo-Darwinism that are made by design theorists and interested parties. So my provisional conclusion is that design theory is a non-starter and that evolutionary theory is radically incomplete (at best). In other words, we really do not have a good theory of life. I find it quite interesting that here we are, the age of "bio-" this and "neuro-" that, and yet the conceptual foundations of biology are in really bad shape.Kantian Naturalist
January 20, 2013
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Mung, I've had people actually argue that there is no way to determine if such an alien artifact was the product of ID or not without being able to find and interview the alien designers themselves. They are so intent (perhaps, in some cases, subconsciously) on maintaining a firewall between theism and science that they will advance any argument or criticism no matter how obviously invalid or untrue it is. If one cannot admit even the most obvious things simply out of the fear that it might lend ground to those who believe differently, then one is not practicing intellectual honesty.William J Murray
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I just love it when critics claims there is no evidence for design. If you ask what they would accept as evidence for design you'll be lucky to get a serious answer. But some will say, show me the designer. [Leaving aside the question of whether producing "a designer" would convince them...] One has to wonder whether they accept the big bang theory. Where's their big bang generator? I'll never believe that humans evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps until they can show me the actual common ancestor. I'll never believe that humans evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps until they can show me the environment(s) that produced the divergences. etc etc So yes, it often comes down to a matter of intellectual honesty.Mung
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