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An open letter to BSU President Jo Ann Gora

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Dear President Gora,

As an intelligent design advocate (Web page here) who contributes regularly to the ID Website Uncommon Descent, I would like to thank you for your recent statement to the faculty and staff of Ball State University, which clarifies your university’s official position regarding the teaching of intelligent design theory.

I hope you will not object if I ask you a few questions which your own faculty staff might want to pose to you, in future meetings.

Question 1

You referred to “intelligent design” in your email to Ball State University faculty and staff, without saying what you meant by the term. So I’d like to ask: exactly how do you define “intelligent design”? Specifically: does it include the cosmological fine-tuning argument, which purports to show that the the laws and constants of Nature were designed by some intelligent being? Does it include the scientific theory proposed by physicist Silas Beane (see here and here) that the universe we live in is a giant computer simulation? (The same idea was proposed back in 2003 in an influential paper by the Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom.) Does it include the theory that life on Earth was seeded by aliens, at some point in the past (never mind where they came from)? Does it include the evolutionary theory championed by Alfred Russel Wallace, who fully accepted evolution by natural selection as a fact which explained the diversity of living things, but who also believed on empirical grounds that unguided natural processes were, by themselves, unable to account for: (a) the origin of life; (b) the appearance of sentience in animals; and (c) the emergence of human intelligence?

Would a science lecturer at your university get into trouble for discussing these theories in a science classroom? Where do you draw the line, President Gora? What’s “in” and what’s “out,” at your university?

The reason why I ask is that the official definition of intelligent design at the Intelligent Design Website Uncommon Descent, on a Webpage entitled ID Defined, is quite broad:

The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion.

In a broader sense, Intelligent Design is simply the science of design detection — how to recognize patterns arranged by an intelligent cause for a purpose.

If you construe “intelligent design” more narrowly, could you please tell us what you mean by the term?

Question 2

Would you agree that the discussion of a bad scientific theory – even one whose claims has been soundly refuted by scientific testing, such as aether theories in physics, the phlogiston theory in chemistry, and vitalism in biology – can be productive and genuinely illuminating, in a university science classroom? The history of science, after all, is littered with dead ends and blind alleys, and scientists have learned a lot about the world – and about how to do science properly – from their past mistakes. Would you therefore agree, then, that even if the theory of intelligent design were found to be riddled with factual or theoretical flaws on a scientific level, that would not be a sufficient reason by itself to keep discussion of intelligent design out of the science classroom?

Question 3

If you answered “Yes” to question 2, as I expect you did, then I shall assume that for you, the decisive reason for keeping intelligent design out of the science classroom is that it is essentially religious in nature. As you wrote in your email: “Teaching religious ideas in a science course is clearly not appropriate.”

I would now invite you to consider the following two quotes by the late Sir Fred Hoyle, FRS, an outspoken opponent of religion and a life-long atheist, as Jane Gregory notes in her biography, Fred Hoyle’s Universe (Oxford University Press, 2005, ISBN 0 780198 507918, p. 143), and to indicate: (i) whether you think they are religious claims, and (ii) whether you think a discussion of their scientific merits belongs in a science classroom at your university.

A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.
(The Universe: Past and Present Reflections, Engineering and Science, November 1981, p. 12.)

If one proceeds directly and straightforwardly in this matter, without being deflected by a fear of incurring the wrath of scientific opinion, one arrives at the conclusion that biomaterials with their amazing measure or order must be the outcome of intelligent design. No other possibility I have been able to think of in pondering this issue over quite a long time seems to me to have anything like as high a possibility of being true.
(Hoyle, Fred, Evolution from Space, Omni Lecture, Royal Institution, London, 12 January 1982; Evolution from Space (1982) pp. 27–28 ISBN 0-89490-083-8; Evolution from Space: A Theory of Cosmic Creationism (1984) ISBN 0-671-49263-2)

I am of course well aware of the scientific literature relating to “Hoyle’s fallacy”, which Professor Richard Dawkins has taken great pains to refute. (Biologist Stephen Jones’ article, Fred Hoyle about the 747, the tornado and the junkyard, contains a very fair-minded discussion of the relevant issues, for those who are interested.) The point I’m making here is that if Hoyle’s claims are scientifically refutable, as neo-Darwinian biologists assert, then surely a discussion of the flaws in those claims belongs in a university science classroom. But since Hoyle referred to his own theory as “intelligent design,” it follows that a discussion of the flaws in intelligent design belongs in a university science classroom.

Now I hope you can see where I’m heading with this line of inquiry. If the discussion of the flaws in intelligent design theory belongs in a university science classroom, it logically follows that discussion of the theory itself belongs in a university science classroom. But that contradicts your email, which states that “[d]iscussions of intelligent design and creation science can have their place at Ball State in humanities or social science courses,” clearly implying that a discussion of intelligent design has no place in a science classroom. Elsewhere in your email, you state that “intelligent design is not appropriate content for science courses,” which once again implies that any discussion of intelligent design is off-bounds at a Ball State University science course.

Indeed, a consistent application of your injunction to faculty staff to keep intelligent design out of the science classroom would mean that any science professor who gave a lecture exposing the errors in intelligent design theory would be in violation of your university’s official policy. Is that correct, President Gora?

Question 4

In your email, you state that “Intelligent design is overwhelmingly deemed by the scientific community as a religious belief and not a scientific theory.” I’m sure you can cite court decisions to back up that assertion of yours – notably the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District court case of 2005.

I wonder if you have heard of the late Professor Richard Smalley (1943-2005), winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In a letter sent to the Hope College Alumni Banquet where he was awarded a Distinguished Alumni Award in May 2005, Dr. Richard Smalley wrote:

Recently I have gone back to church regularly with a new focus to understand as best I can what it is that makes Christianity so vital and powerful in the lives of billions of people today, even though almost 2000 years have passed since the death and resurrection of Christ.

Although I suspect I will never fully understand, I now think the answer is very simple: it’s true. God did create the universe about 13.7 billion years ago, and of necessity has involved Himself with His creation ever since. The purpose of this universe is something that only God knows for sure, but it is increasingly clear to modern science that the universe was exquisitely fine-tuned to enable human life. We are somehow critically involved in His purpose. Our job is to sense that purpose as best we can, love one another, and help Him get that job done. (Emphases mine – VJT.)

Towards the end of his life, Dr. Richard Smalley became an Old Earth creationist, after reading the books “Origins of Life” and “Who Was Adam?”, written by Dr. Hugh Ross (an astrophysicist) and Dr. Fazale Rana (a biochemist). Dr. Smalley explained his change of heart as follows:

Evolution has just been dealt its death blow. After reading “Origins of Life”, with my background in chemistry and physics, it is clear evolution could not have occurred. The new book, “Who Was Adam?”, is the silver bullet that puts the evolutionary model to death. (Emphasis mine – VJT.)

I’m quite sure you will tell me that most biologists and chemists disagree with the late Nobel Prize Laureate, Dr. Richard Smalley, on whether the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution can account for the origin and diversity of life. Be that as it may, what interests me is that Dr. Smalley evidently felt that the question of whether life and the universe were intelligently designed was scientifically tractable. What’s more, he felt that science had already found the answer: “it is increasingly clear to modern science that the universe was exquisitely fine-tuned to enable human life.” That’s intelligent design.

So my question to you is: if a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry thought that intelligent design belongs in the category of “science”, what makes you so sure that it belongs in the category of religion? For that matter, was the late Sir Fred Hoyle, FRS, being religious when he argued on scientific grounds that “superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology”? Is that what you are saying?

Finally, I note that you remark in your email that “the scientific community has overwhelmingly rejected intelligent design as a scientific theory” (italics mine – VJT). However, the scientific community’s very rejection intelligent design as a scientific theory logically implies that it is a scientific theory – even if a bad one. Are you prepared to grant this point?

Question 5

In your email, you state:

Discussions of intelligent design and creation science can have their place at Ball State in humanities or social science courses. However, even in such contexts, faculty must avoid endorsing one point of view over others.

I’d now like you to consider the hypothetical case of a humanities or social science lecturer at your university who is asked a very direct, personal question by a student: “Do you believe in intelligent design?” Let’s suppose that the lecturer answers like this:

Personally, I do. I should point out in all fairness that the vast majority of scientists currently reject intelligent design, and if you want to know why, then I’d invite you to have a look at the official statements on the Websites of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Astronomical Society, and the American Physical Society. I’ve spent some time sifting the arguments on both sides. I’m not a trained scientist; but I do have some (philosophical) training in spotting a bad argument. In my humble opinion, the scientific arguments against intelligent design are not very convincing; at most, they merely refute some of the more naive versions of intelligent design. Regarding the arguments in favor of intelligent design, I do think they raise some very real questions which science has not yet answered. Now you might say that some day it will answer those questions. And maybe you’re right. My own opinion – and I’d invite you to read the best books on both sides in order to arrive at yours – is that we already have enough information at our fingertips to conclude that most likely, the Universe itself – and life – was a put-up job. Who or what the “Putter-Upper” is, I leave for you to speculate, if you agree with my line of thinking.

In answering in this way, has the lecturer said anything that is “out of line” with your university’s policy on the separation of church and state? It should be noted that up to this point, the lecturer has not even expressed a belief in theism, let alone the tenets of any particular religion. Saying that the universe was designed (passive voice) says nothing, by itself, about the identity of the Designer.

Now suppose that the inquisitive student presses further: “Do you believe the Designer of life and the universe to be God?” and the lecturer answers, “Yes, that is my personal belief.” Does that answer qualify as “endorsing one point of view over others” – something which your email expressly prohibits? If not, why not?

What if, instead, the lecturer had answered the student’s question as follows: “I’m an atheist, and I think intelligent design is a load of pseudo-scientific religious claptrap.” Would such an answer constitute “endorsing one point of view over others”? If not, why not?

Well, I think five questions are quite enough for one day. Over to you, President Gora. Thank you taking the time and trouble to read this letter.

Yours sincerely,

Vincent Torley

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jerry @ 28
Thank you for agreeing with my point that Darwinian evolution is not science. I just wanted to make sure you were consistent in your beliefs.
I said "may", jerry. I don't necessarily agree with that, but in any case it's irrelevant. The existence of other unscientific ideas, and indeed the existence of people who may be inconsistent, are just irrelevant to the question of whether the ID claim of "intelligent cause" is science.
Now to whether some aspects of ID are science or not. ... We are not talking here about “not a single sparrow can fall to the ground” or that every position of every molecule could be placed and guided by an intelligence. We are talking about a specific arrangement of molecules that could not have happened without the involvement of an intelligence. Not only is there certain characteristics of design present but that there is no known natural forces that could have produced the configuration. That is science in any sense of the word.
Your rearrangement of the ID claim to "could not have happened without intelligence" is yet another assertion we can't check even in principle, because we are not all-knowing. We can only confirm that something could not have happened by any process we know enough about to check it thoroughly. Thus the the claim "X did not happen due to process Q, R or S" can be squarely scientific, albeit a bit iffy, depending on how good our knowledge of Q, R and S is. But of course this does not tell us how X did happen, nor whether intelligence was required or even involved at all. In fact, if you think about it, the claim "intelligence was required" is just as impossible to disprove as the claim "intelligence was involved" - since we are not omniscient, there will always be unknown areas in the nature and origin of the principles that govern the behaviour of all things we can observe, and one can always point to those unknown areas and say "intelligence was required" without fear of disproof, because they're unknown.CLAVDIVS
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Again, there is no requirement that an intelligent designer be God, Allah, or any other supernatural creator. The designer may be a giant computer or an alien species, though that begs the question of who or what designed THEM. Do I, personally, think that the designer is God? Yes, I do, but that is when my analysis from a scientific perspective ends and my beliefs from a historical and judicial perspective begins. If I had no scientific evidence that intelligent design is involved, I still have mountains of evidence from history, psychology, and sociology that there are Divine forces at work in this universe, particularly God as revealed in the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. At the end of the day, if all that intelligent design accomplishes is to force the proponents of Darwinian evolution to find concrete, evidence-supported and experimentally verifiable data about their theory, then it has played a tremendous role in the progress of science. Unfortunately, most evolutionary scientists are merely reactionary and withdraw to their still well-guarded ivory towers of indignation.OldArmy94
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Stephen Meyer - The Scientific Basis Of Intelligent Design - video https://vimeo.com/32148403 LOGIC 101 If intelligent design is unprovable, Darwinism (unintelligent design) is unfalsifiable. If intelligent design is unfalsifiable, Darwinism is unprovable. If intelligent design is both unprovable and unfalsifiable (untestable), Darwinism is both unprovable and unfalsifiable (untestable). If intelligent design is both provable and falsifiable (testable), Darwinism is both provable and falsifiable (testable). Conclusion: Either both are science (testable) or neither are science (untestable). It's grade school logic, folks. The Capabilities of Chaos and Complexity: David L. Abel - Null Hypothesis For Information Generation - 2009 To focus the scientific community’s attention on its own tendencies toward overzealous metaphysical imagination bordering on “wish-fulfillment,” we propose the following readily falsifiable null hypothesis, and invite rigorous experimental attempts to falsify it: "Physicodynamics cannot spontaneously traverse The Cybernetic Cut: physicodynamics alone cannot organize itself into formally functional systems requiring algorithmic optimization, computational halting, and circuit integration." A single exception of non trivial, unaided spontaneous optimization of formal function by truly natural process would falsify this null hypothesis. http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/pdf Can We Falsify Any Of The Following Null Hypothesis (For Information Generation) 1) Mathematical Logic 2) Algorithmic Optimization 3) Cybernetic Programming 4) Computational Halting 5) Integrated Circuits 6) Organization (e.g. homeostatic optimization far from equilibrium) 7) Material Symbol Systems (e.g. genetics) 8) Any Goal Oriented bona fide system 9) Language 10) Formal function of any kind 11) Utilitarian work http://mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/ag Is Life Unique? David L. Abel - January 2012 Concluding Statement: The scientific method itself cannot be reduced to mass and energy. Neither can language, translation, coding and decoding, mathematics, logic theory, programming, symbol systems, the integration of circuits, computation, categorizations, results tabulation, the drawing and discussion of conclusions. The prevailing Kuhnian paradigm rut of philosophic physicalism is obstructing scientific progress, biology in particular. There is more to life than chemistry. All known life is cybernetic. Control is choice-contingent and formal, not physicodynamic. http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/106/bornagain77
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Pointing out other theories that may not be science either is not really relevant to my point about ID not being science, is it?
Thank you for agreeing with my point that Darwinian evolution is not science. I just wanted to make sure you were consistent in your beliefs. Now to whether some aspects of ID are science or not. A typical science study includes 4 parts, introduction/background, methods, results/findings and conclusions. The conclusion could consider several things as possible explanation from the results. One thing it could include is that the data represent a pattern that shows characteristics only of things that were designed. In other words the study is identical to another study but this study considers the possible conclusion that the results could only have come about because of design. Not that is could possibly be designed but that is the only way the findings are plausible. Thus, the legitimate conclusion based on logic, reason and the scientific process is that the thing under investigation was probably designed. We are not talking here about "not a single sparrow can fall to the ground" or that every position of every molecule could be placed and guided by an intelligence. We are talking about a specific arrangement of molecules that could not have happened without the involvement of an intelligence. Not only is there certain characteristics of design present but that there is no known natural forces that could have produced the configuration. That is science in any sense of the word.jerry
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bornagain77 @ 26
And ‘Randomness’ qualifies over and above Intelligence as to ultimate causality, i.e. ‘science’, exactly how pray tell?
I have no idea what this question means. But it doesn't matter because it appears to be irrelevant to what I've been saying about whether the ID claim "intelligent cause" is a scientific explanation.CLAVDIVS
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And 'Randomness' qualifies over and above Intelligence as to ultimate causality, i.e. 'science', exactly how pray tell?bornagain77
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bornagain @ 24
CLAVDIVS you complain that ‘intelligent cause’ doesn’t qualify as a scientific explanation: Oh Really? So everything you see in your life, including the computer you are using right now, has no intelligent cause according to ‘science’? What do you think that the computer you are using somehow randomly assembled itself?
No bornagain77, you have misunderstood. We don't just say that the computer had an "intelligent cause", without any detail or qualification, because this could be true of absolutely anything, and thus is trivial and unscientific. What we do say is that the computer was made at a specific time and place, using specific components of specific composition from specific sources, in a specific order, by specific intelligent humans, all of which can be checked and confirmed (or perhaps refuted). Therefore, the idea that the computer was caused to exist by intelligent human beings using particular materials and processes is a scientific explanation.CLAVDIVS
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CLAVDIVS you complain that 'intelligent cause' doesn’t qualify as a scientific explanation: Oh Really? So everything you see in your life, including the computer you are using right now, has no intelligent cause according to 'science'? What do you think that the computer you are using somehow randomly assembled itself? As well I'm sure the Christian founders of modern science would soundly laugh at such an insane notion of 'randomness' being the quote unquote 'scientific' explanation over and above Intelligence. It has been observed by no less than the noted physicist Wolfgang Pauli that the word ‘random chance’, as used by Biologists, is synonymous with the word ‘miracle’:
Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Wolfgang Pauli on the Empirical Problems with Neo-Darwinism – Casey Luskin – February 27, 2012 Excerpt: While they (Darwinian Biologists) pretend to stay in this way completely ‘scientific’ and ‘rational,’ they become actually very irrational, particularly because they use the word ‘chance’, not any longer combined with estimations of a mathematically defined probability, in its application to very rare single events more or less synonymous with the old word ‘miracle.’” Wolfgang Pauli (pp. 27-28) - http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/nobel_prize-win056771.html
Talbott humorously reflects on the awkward situation between Atheists and Theists here:
Evolution and the Illusion of Randomness – Talbott – Fall 2011 Excerpt: In the case of evolution, I picture Dennett and Dawkins filling the blackboard with their vivid descriptions of living, highly regulated, coordinated, integrated, and intensely meaningful biological processes, and then inserting a small, mysterious gap in the middle, along with the words, “Here something random occurs.” This “something random” looks every bit as wishful as the appeal to a miracle. It is the central miracle in a gospel of meaninglessness, a “Randomness of the gaps,” demanding an extraordinarily blind faith. At the very least, we have a right to ask, “Can you be a little more explicit here?” http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/evolution-and-the-illusion-of-randomness
CLAVDIVS, moreover invoking randomness, instead of Intelligence, besides being an impediment to the founding of modern science (Jaki) leads to the epistemological failure of modern science itself. (Boltzmann's Brain, Plantinga EAAN) A few more assorted notes
"Modern science was conceived, and born, and flourished in the matrix of Christian theism. Only liberal doses of self-deception and double-think, I believe, will permit it to flourish in the context of Darwinian naturalism." ~ Alvin Plantinga "Atheists may do science, but they cannot justify what they do. When they assume the world is rational, approachable, and understandable, they plagiarize Judeo-Christian presuppositions about the nature of reality and the moral need to seek the truth. As an exercise, try generating a philosophy of science from hydrogen coming out of the big bang. It cannot be done. It’s impossible even in principle, because philosophy and science presuppose concepts that are not composed of particles and forces. They refer to ideas that must be true, universal, necessary and certain." Creation-Evolution Headlines “It is our contention that if ‘random’ is given a serious and crucial interpretation from a probabilistic point of view, the randomness postulate is highly implausible and that an adequate scientific theory of evolution must await the discovery and elucidation of new natural laws—physical, physico-chemical, and biological.” Murray Eden, “Inadequacies of Neo-Darwinian Evolution as a Scientific Theory,” Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution, editors Paul S. Moorhead and Martin M. Kaplan, June 1967, p. 109. "nobody to date has yet found a demarcation criterion according to which Darwin(ism) can be described as scientific" - Imre Lakatos (November 9, 1922 – February 2, 1974) a philosopher of mathematics and science, quote was as stated in 1973 LSE Scientific Method Lecture Evolutionists Are Now Saying Their Thinking is Flawed (But Evolution is Still a Fact) - Cornelius Hunter - May 2012 Excerpt: But the point here is that these “researchers” are making an assertion (human reasoning evolved and is flawed) which undermines their very argument. If human reasoning evolved and is flawed, then how can we know that evolution is a fact, much less any particular details of said evolutionary process that they think they understand via their “research”? http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/05/evolutionists-are-now-saying-their.html “One absolutely central inconsistency ruins [the popular scientific philosophy]. The whole picture professes to depend on inferences from observed facts. Unless inference is valid, the whole picture disappears… unless Reason is an absolute, all is in ruins. Yet those who ask me to believe this world picture also ask me to believe that Reason is simply the unforeseen and unintended by-product of mindless matter at one stage of its endless and aimless becoming. Here is flat contradiction. They ask me at the same moment to accept a conclusion and to discredit the only testimony on which that conclusion can be based.” —C.S. Lewis, Is Theology Poetry (aka the Argument from Reason) Physicalism and Reason - May 2013 Summary: So we find ourselves affirming two contradictory propositions: 1. Everything is governed by cause-and-effect. 2. Our brains can process and be changed by ground-consequent logical relationships. To achieve consistency, we must either deny that everything is governed by cause-and-effect, and open our worldviews to something beyond physicalism, or we must deny that our brains are influenced by ground-consequence reasoning, and abandon the idea that we are rational creatures. Ask yourself: are humans like falling dominoes, entirely subject to natural law, or may we stand up and walk in the direction that reason shows us? http://www.reasonsforgod.org/2012/09/physicalism-and-reason/
Verse and music:
Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together,",,, Hurricane - Natalie Grant http://myktis.com/songs/hurricane/
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Querius @ 15 Don't you agree that "the scientific community has overwhelmingly rejected intelligent design as a scientific theory"? I'm not asking you to agree that they're right, just whether it is fair to say scholars, practising scientists and scientific societies in general have rejected ID as science?CLAVDIVS
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OldArmy94 @ 16
I am always amazed by the accusations of the naturalist that ID is inferior science or voodoo. When you consider that evolutionary “science” is full of just so stories and tales of how something might’ve arisen, then you are confronted with the reality that it is a philosophical system. The sheer hypocrisy and denial is amazing; unfortunately, for the sake of truth, the philosophical grounding of atheism prevents real science from occurring.
That there are hypocrites and denialists in the world, and philosophical systems that may or may not be masquerading as science, are irrelevant to the question of whether the unqualified ID claim of "intelligent cause" is a scientific explanation. This is precisely what the University President's letter is about - whether ID belongs in the science classroom. And what I've been saying is, because the bare claim of "intelligent cause" is so broad that it covers all possible patterns or measurements - even contradictory ones - then it doesn't qualify as a scientific explanation. It may well be an "important and relevant form of human inquiry" as the letter states, but it's not science.CLAVDIVS
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vjtorley @ 13 Hi
Professor William Dembski has long admitted that for all we know, any object might have been designed, but his concern was to find a set of criteria which reliably signal that an object is best explained as the product of an intelligent cause.
The problem is, the explanation "intelligently caused", with qualification, is reliably true of all objects and events, because it can't not be true - it's so broad in power and scope it can explain anything. Accordingly it is trivial and unscientific.CLAVDIVS
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DonaldM @ 12
CLAVDIVS: The bare explanation “it has an intelligent cause” could apply to absolutely anything. It may be a useful metaphysical intuition, but it’s not science because it can’t be either confirmed or refuted by any sort of test. DonaldM: Well, if the measure of what is and is not scientific is what is testable, then are your ready to toss the Uniformity Principle (UP) out the door? And while you’re at it, the scientific method itself? Neither of those can be confirmed or refuted by any sort of test.
Of course uniformitarianism and the scientific method itself are not scientifically testable. The scientific method assumes uniformitarianism as a metaphysical principle, because rational investigation of causes and testing of explanations would be impossible without it, as you correctly point out. Why on earth would I be willing to throw it out the door? Agreeing that it's not a scientific idea is not the same as wanting to throw it out the door.
Perhaps there’s some additional required condition that ID fails to meet? If so, what is that and why does ID fail to meet this necessary condition to be considered scientific?
The explanation "it has an intelligent cause" is much too unqualified, unlimited and unbounded to allow for any kind of scentific checking; no observation can be inconsistent with it. The ID explanation needs to more limited in some way.
I raise these questions to point out that determining what is and is not science is not as straightforward and simple as “Is it testable?”
I think the problem is deeper than that. In my view "intelligent cause" doesn't quite rise to the level of being an explanation at all, let alone a scientifically testable one. Usually when we give an explanation, we give a reason why things are one way, and not another way. An assertion that is compatible with all possible states of affairs, including opposite or contradictory ones, can't really count as an explanation.CLAVDIVS
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jerry @ 11
CLAVDIVS: The bare explanation “it has an intelligent cause” could apply to absolutely anything. It may be a useful metaphysical intuition, but it’s not science because it can’t be either confirmed or refuted by any sort of test. jerry: But it sure is basic logic and reasoning. So if science prevents such a thought process from the curriculum, then science is seriously flawed.
Sure, the intution that something may be "caused by an intelligence" can be logical can reasonable. But it's not science if it can't be checked in any way against reality. I don't believe you can stretch the word "science" to include ideas that can never be checked against reality. Such ideas are usually referred to as metaphysical or philosophical. Science refers to ideas and explanations that we can check.
And by the way all forms of the ideas of Darwin are not science either except for the very trivial aspects of it.
Pointing out other theories that may not be science either is not really relevant to my point about ID not being science, is it?CLAVDIVS
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Claudius, they are perfectly happy to teach that life began as an undirected event in chemical history. What is the test of that thesis?
Let's grant for the sake of discussion that this is being taught and it's not testable. That's completely irrelevant to my point that the explanation "intelligent cause" is consistent with absolutely any measurement or observation, and thus cannot be checked or tested in any way, so this explanation is not a scientific one.CLAVDIVS
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Metaphysical materialism is an absurd belief system. The notion that hold ALL of reality is compromised of ONLY physical individual things will never be proven via science; there is a limit to reductionism - Godel proved that in mathematics the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts! What an upsetting fraud.DinoV
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Very good letter, VJ. I hope Dr. Gora reads it and responds.Bilbo I
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Dr. Gora, I have read about your decision to silence the Intelligent Design voice at Ball State, and I commend you on your fervent devotion to the status quo. By decrying ID as being out of touch with the mainstream of scientific thought, you are demonstrating that you understand the necessity of marching lock-step with the loud and influential voices. Truth? That is necessarily of secondary importance, particularly when you are dealing with donors, grants and the egos of research faculty. Consensus is the key thing in science. We cannot afford to question, much less abandon, the Darwinian line of thought as there is no other conceivable alternative to the order and complexity that we find in our world. Let us never doubt for one second that we are monkeys with enlarged brains; it's self-evident. After all, if we didn't evolve, we wouldn't be here, right? In closing, thank you for showing the fools who dare to question authority and to challenge the system that they have no forum at Ball State, a genuinely materialist institution that has no room for anything unorthodox.OldArmy94
August 1, 2013
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Looking at Jo-Ann Gora's statements provide some insight and an approach.
Gora stated that academic freedom, while important, is not an issue in this case.
It is important to note here that Jo-Ann has placed herself in a position of being the arbiter and judge of whether academic freedom is an issue on a case-by-case basis. This abuses the word "freedom."
"Teaching intelligent design as a scientific theory is not a matter of academic freedom – it is an issue of academic integrity,"
Here, Jo-Ann clearly lays out how she decides each case: whether the case is one of obvious academic freedom (i.e. orthodoxy) versus one of obvious academic integrity (i.e. heresy).
Gora wrote. "[Academic freedom] cannot be used as a shield to teach theories that have been rejected by the discipline under which a science course is taught."
And here is Jo-Ann's self-damning, sweeping generalization. Rejected by whom in the discipline? The leading authorities? The presumed consensus opinion? How is this consensus determined? By ballot measure with full professors getting 3 votes and untenured assistant professors getting 2/3 of a vote? Does Science make progress by consensus alone? Would any of the Luminaries of Science have survived under such a stifling environment? What are students of scientific disciplines learning through such a philosophy? Knuckle under the current consensus dogma? Investigate only approved lines of inquiry? Get permission before you publish? Would it not be correct to conclude that Jo-Ann's philosophy is smug, authoritarian, and anti-science?Querius
August 1, 2013
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I am always amazed by the accusations of the naturalist that ID is inferior science or voodoo. When you consider that evolutionary "science" is full of just so stories and tales of how something might've arisen, then you are confronted with the reality that it is a philosophical system. The sheer hypocrisy and denial is amazing; unfortunately, for the sake of truth, the philosophical grounding of atheism prevents real science from occurring. That's why you have the Dr. Goras of the world in their ivory towers proclaiming that everybody knows that the only legitimate form of scientific inquiry into the origins of life is through a Darwinian paradigm.OldArmy94
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CLAVDIVS Thank you for your comment. You write that "The bare explanation 'It has an intelligent cause' could apply to absolutely anything," and you add that "it's not science because it can't be confirmed or refuted by any sort of test." May I invite you to look at the definition of Intelligent Design a little more carefully:
The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion. In a broader sense, Intelligent Design is simply the science of design detection — how to recognize patterns arranged by an intelligent cause for a purpose. (Italics mine - VJT.)
What the definition tells us is that there are certain patterns found in Nature which indicate that an object exhibiting those patterns is best explained as the product of an intelligent cause. That's a non-trivial statement. Professor William Dembski has long admitted that for all we know, any object might have been designed, but his concern was to find a set of criteria which reliably signal that an object is best explained as the product of an intelligent cause. What might those criteria be? Dembski provides a good general account of his methodology in an article he wrote on 2003 for Lindsay Jones’s Encyclopedia of Religion, 2nd edition, entitled, "Intelligent Design." A few highlights:
Intelligent design begins with a seemingly innocuous question: Can objects, even if nothing is known about how they arose, exhibit features that reliably signal the action of an intelligent cause? To see what’s at stake, consider Mount Rushmore. The evidence for Mount Rushmore’s design is direct — eyewitnesses saw the sculptor Gutzon Borglum spend the better part of his life designing and building this structure. But what if there were no direct evidence for Mount Rushmore’s design? What if humans went extinct and aliens, visiting the earth, discovered Mount Rushmore in substantially the same condition as it is now? In that case, what about this rock formation would provide convincing circumstantial evidence that it was due to a designing intelligence and not merely to wind and erosion? Designed objects like Mount Rushmore exhibit characteristic features or patterns that point to an intelligence. Such features or patterns constitute signs of intelligence. Proponents of intelligent design, known as design theorists, purport to study such signs formally, rigorously, and scientifically. Intelligent design may therefore be defined as the science that studies signs of intelligence... For design to be a fruitful scientific concept, scientists have to be sure that they can reliably determine whether something is designed. Johannes Kepler, for instance, thought the craters on the moon were intelligently designed by moon dwellers. We now know that the craters were formed by purely material factors (like meteor impacts). This fear of falsely attributing something to design, only to have it overturned later, has hindered design from entering the scientific mainstream. But design theorists argue that they now have formulated precise methods for discriminating designed from undesigned objects. These methods, they contend, enable them to avoid Kepler’s mistake and reliably locate design in biological systems. As a theory of biological origins and development, intelligent design’s central claim is that only intelligent causes adequately explain the complex, information-rich structures of biology and that these causes are empirically detectable. To say intelligent causes are empirically detectable is to say there exist well-defined methods that, based on observable features of the world, can reliably distinguish intelligent causes from undirected natural causes. Many special sciences have already developed such methods for drawing this distinction—notably forensic science, cryptography, archeology, and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). Essential to all these methods is the ability to eliminate chance and necessity... Intelligence leaves behind a characteristic trademark or signature—what within the intelligent design community is now called specified complexity. An event exhibits specified complexity if it is contingent and therefore not necessary; if it is complex and therefore not readily repeatable by chance; and if it is specified in the sense of exhibiting an independently given pattern. Note that a merely improbable event is not sufficient to eliminate chance—by flipping a coin long enough, one will witness a highly complex or improbable event. Even so, one will have no reason to attribute it to anything other than chance. The important thing about specifications is that they be objectively given and not arbitrarily imposed on events after the fact. For instance, if an archer fires arrows at a wall and then paints bull’s-eyes around them, the archer imposes a pattern after the fact. On the other hand, if the targets are set up in advance (“specified”), and then the archer hits them accurately, one legitimately concludes that it was by design... ...Design theorists contend that specified complexity provides compelling circumstantial evidence for intelligence. Accordingly, specified complexity is a reliable empirical marker of intelligence in the same way that fingerprints are a reliable empirical marker of an individual’s presence. Moreover, design theorists argue that purely material factors cannot adequately account for specified complexity. In determining whether biological organisms exhibit specified complexity, design theorists focus on identifiable systems (e.g., individual enzymes, metabolic pathways, and molecular machines). These systems are not only specified by their independent functional requirements but also exhibit a high degree of complexity.
That, in broad brush strokes, is the general approach adopted by Intelligent Design. You may or may not agree with it; plenty of ID critics have attacked the very concept of specified complexity, for instance, or contended that even large amounts of specified complexity can arise in the absence of intelligence. But what has been said here should at least convince you that the research project that Intelligent Design is engaging in is a non-trivial one. I hope that helps.vjtorley
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Claudius in #9
The bare explanation “it has an intelligent cause” could apply to absolutely anything. It may be a useful metaphysical intuition, but it’s not science because it can’t be either confirmed or refuted by any sort of test.
Well, if the measure of what is and is not scientific is what is testable, then are your ready to toss the Uniformity Principle (UP) out the door? And while you're at it, the scientific method itself? Neither of those can be confirmed or refuted by any sort of test. Yet both are considered essential to science. Indeed, where the UP is concerned, it is difficult to imagine anyone even bothering to do science if that principle did not hold. Yet, by itself, the UP, completely detached from any hypothesis, theory or law is neither testable, falsifiable, makes no predictions nor has any of the other characteristics oft cited as reasons to exclude ID from science. Yet, its a foundational a principle to science as you're ever going to find. Same for the scientific method. There's no none circular way to test the sci-meth. You have to assume its efficacy in order to employ it to demonstrate its efficacy in producing reliable results. Perhaps there's some additional required condition that ID fails to meet? If so, what is that and why does ID fail to meet this necessary condition to be considered scientific? I raise these questions to point out that determining what is and is not science is not as straightforward and simple as "Is it testable?" Even if it were, ID is very testable. Indeed, you could easily argue that every attempt by evolutionary biologists to show undirected, natural causes produce irreducibly complex biological systems, or systems that exhibit complex specified information, are ultimately attempts to falsify ID...the idea that CSI and IC require intelligent cause. So far, if there's one thing that evolutionary biologists have failed miserably at is providing just such an undirected, natural cause explanation. In other words, every attempt to falsify ID (that is test it), has failed! And hundreds, if not thousands of attempts have been made. I'd say ID has withstood falsification rather well.DonaldM
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but it’s not science
But it sure is basic logic and reasoning. So if science prevents such a thought process from the curriculum, then science is seriously flawed. And by the way all forms of the ideas of Darwin are not science either except for the very trivial aspects of it. It does not mean that these trivial aspects are not important for things like medicine and disease but they are trivial in the evolution debate. So they should be excluded from the curriculum too. Also some in the ID debate are developing mathematical analysis techniques to estimate the probability that something is designed. That would classify as science in most definitions of the word. If not where would you put it?jerry
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Claudius, they are perfectly happy to teach that life began as an undirected event in chemical history. What is the test of that thesis? If there is not one, then why is it allowed as the prevailing scientific theory? From what material evidence exactly does it derive it's scientific status?Upright BiPed
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The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.
If that's the definition of ID, and no more, then no wonder they don't want to teach it as science. The bare explanation "it has an intelligent cause" could apply to absolutely anything. It may be a useful metaphysical intuition, but it's not science because it can't be either confirmed or refuted by any sort of test.CLAVDIVS
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G2: Before returning to more pressing concerns . . . You know or should know that from the beginnings of modern, scientific -- label and dismiss ideological rhetorical games played by a priori materialists pushing "war of religion against science" myths fall of their own weight -- design thought, the inference to design in the world of life has been freely acknowledged as not in itself identifying a designer within or beyond the cosmos. That tweredun on decisive signs, is different from and prior to whodunit. But the older arm of design theory is cosmological. You know, or should know of the large and growing body of evidence pointing to fine tuning of the observed cosmos (the ONLY observed cosmos) that fits it for life. We are talking here of monkeying with the physics of the cosmos in ways that are utterly characteristic of purposeful design. Starting with the circumstances that set up H, He, C and O as the first four most abundant elements, with N close by. As in, getting us to stars, the periodic table, water and organic chemistry, then proteins. We also live in an observed cosmos that is contingent, and cries out for causal explanation. Where, a speculative multiverse just multiplies contingency. Such radical contingency points to an underlying necessary being as cause. Now, consider: a necessary being with purpose, knowledge, skill and power to create a cosmos such as we inhabit. Purpose points to mind, cosmos points to power, necessity of being to being without beginning or end -- being eternal. Pray, tell us, what name or title would most reasonable people use to describe such an eternal author and maker of the heavens and the earth, the root of reality? And, in so answering, can you tell us the relevant distinction and relationship between the God of philosophy, and that of theistic Theology? KFkairosfocus
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Pardon my $0.02: When science, especially on origins becomes little more than a priori materialist ideology and scientism wrapped up in a lab coat using institutional power to push that ideology as a substitute for humility before evidence, fair discussion and truth, our vaunted academic freedom is dying. Where also, given the importance of both science and the academy to our civilisation, our civilisation is in mortal peril as a direct result. (Cf. my recent remarks here.) Those ideologues who have seized control of dominant institutions may well imagine they have power to decide the result. Long run -- as the fate of the Soviet Union warns -- they don't. But learning that the hard way (why is it we are so often so stubborn?) is going to be costly indeed, for our whole civilisation. KFkairosfocus
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Good points all around Dr. Torley. The question I would want to ask her is "what is your definition of science?" TO me it seems that in her letter she is more or less parroting the party line, most likely provided for her, by the major Science organizations which always toe the Naturalism line. She tries to draw a fine distinction between defending academic freedom and academic integrity, but in doing so, fails to show how considering ID in the broader context of Dr. Hedin's course violates either!DonaldM
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Graham, It doesn't matter who the designer is. If God did it then it is science as science only cares about reality.Joe
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vjt: Do you believe the intelligent designer is god ?Graham2
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Of Note: ENV has two articles up on this topic: Ball State University President Imposes Gag Order on Scientists Supportive of Intelligent Design - July 31, 2013 3:07 PM http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/07/ball_state_univ_1075021.html Ball State President's Orwellian Attack on Academic Freedom - John G. West - August 1, 2013 http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/08/ball_state_pres075041.htmlbornagain77
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