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Between Ape and Human: An Anthropologist on the Trail of a Hidden Hominoid by [Gregory Forth]

No, it does not make nearly that much sense. The Flores people were real.

Meanwhile, here’s the story by anthropologist Gregory Forth, author of Between Ape and Human (2022) — a summary of his book, more or less — advancing a remarkable claim about still-missing “hominins” at The Scientist:

Coming from a professional anthropologist and ethnobiologist, my conclusions will probably surprise many. They might even be more startling than the discovery of H. floresiensis—once described by paleoanthropologist Peter Brown of the University of New England in New South Wales as tantamount to the discovery of a space alien. Unlike other books concerned with hominin evolution, the focus of my book is not on fossils but on a local human population called the Lio and what these people say about an animal (as they describe it) that is remarkably like a human but is not human—something I can only call an ape-man. My aim in writing the book was to find the best explanation—that is, the most rational and empirically best supported—of Lio accounts of the creatures. These include reports of sightings by more than 30 eyewitnesses, all of whom I spoke with directly. And I conclude that the best way to explain what they told me is that a non-sapiens hominin has survived on Flores to the present or very recent times.

Gregory Forth, “” at The Scientist (April 2018, 2022)

So no one has ever found one of them but we are supposed to take this seriously?

Also:

Lio folk zoology and cosmology also include stories of natural beings, specifically humans, transforming permanently into animals of other kinds. And they do this, in part, by moving into new environments and adopting new ways of life, thus suggesting a qualified Lamarckism.

Gregory Forth, “” at The Scientist (April 2018, 2022)

Which is supposed to make the evidence stronger?

Our initial instinct, I suspect, is to regard the extant ape-men of Flores as completely imaginary. But, taking seriously what Lio people say, I’ve found no good reason to think so.

Gregory Forth, “” at The Scientist (April 2018, 2022)

There is no evidence for the existence of any such life form.

Okay. Untraceable hominins. Elves, fairies, the Abominable Snowman? So this is all “science” now?

Note: The Scientist story riffs off Flores Man, which was a genuine find.

Comments
Jerry,
No, it [ID] is not science.
Well, in that case I have much less of a beef with it. We all like making up answers to deep questions, and as long as we don't pretend that our particular answers are somehow epistemologically privileged by empirical science (or formal logic) then it's all good fun.
It’s logic. Not all of it but some of it.
The word "logic" has different meanings. You might mean that the conclusion of ID follows ineluctably from observable data; I'm sure that's not true. Or, you might mean that it follows as an abductive inference, reasoning to the best explanation. In my view, this is neither right nor wrong, because it is under-specified. Calling something "intelligent" is just a vague, anthropomorphic intuition; it is insufficiently specified to evaluate against the evidence. For example, most accounts of intelligence entail the ability to learn from the environment and solve novel problems, but I doubt you would attribute these abilities to your conception of an Intelligent Designer.
One way to discredit something is to mock it. One way of mocking is to take something reasonable and associate it with something that is fantasy. Which is what you just did.
Not mocking it, really, no. You seem to think that some things like "Untraceable hominins. Elves, fairies, [and] the Abominable Snowman" are fantasies, while you seem to think that (at least some of) "gods, angels, devils, spirits, ghosts, and demons" are real. My point was not to mock; it was to suggest that when it comes to unobservable anthropomorphic entities, there are plenty of candidates, and most people believe in at least some of them but reject others as imaginary, without explicit demarcation criteria.
The universe if incredibly fine tuned. How? Why? Life is incredibly complex. How? Why?
Great questions! Nobody knows the answers! That's OK!dogdoc
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disembodied intelligence designing biological organisms - is that “science
No, it is not science. It’s logic. Not all of it but some of it. One way to discredit something is to mock it. One way of mocking is to take something reasonable and associate it with something that is fantasy. Which is what you just did. But part of what you mocked is logic. The universe if incredibly fine tuned. How? Why? Life is incredibly complex. How? Why? If you have answers to these questions, provide anything logical besides a disembodied intelligence. Otherwise don’t mock. You just pigeon holed yourself. You added nothing and ignored logic. Aside: I hope this doesn’t entice the bloviators to join in.jerry
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There is no evidence for the existence of any such life form. Okay. Untraceable hominins. Elves, fairies, the Abominable Snowman? So this is all “science” now?
Pot calling the kettle black? Are gods, angels, devils, spirits, ghosts, and demons also imaginary? And disembodied intelligence designing biological organisms - is that "science"?dogdoc
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When a scientist presents cartoons and is drawing lines and imaginary trees or stories ,instead of presenting scientific evidences ...watch out.Sandy
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Fe, yes, Stalin. Didn't work. KFkairosfocus
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Didn't someone once try to cross humans and chimps to create an ape-person? Or maybe that was imaginary, or just hyped up "believe it or not" stuff.Fasteddious
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Someone wants attention. If such a entity exists, it would leave forensic evidence some place. But I assume none so it’s just imagination. There’s a typo in OP. It says Apr 2018, 2022 and should be Apr 18, 2022.jerry
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The massive number of rediscovered "extinct" birds and mammals should lead to humility on this point. Despite surveillance satellites, there are lots of hiding places in the world. Deep jungles and caves are still unknown to outsiders.polistra
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