Answers for Judge Jones

_{Cornelius Hunter

June 19, 2009

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In my previous post I posed two questions for Judge Jones. The answers to the second question are A, B and C. That is, (A) Evolutionary theory incorporates religious premises, (B) Proponents of evolutionary theory are religious people and (C) Evolutionary theory mandates certain types of solutions.

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"would applaud such the, but such a judge would still be wrong." That should read "...would applaud the ruling, but...."CannuckianYankee_{June 19, 2009
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The ruling in Dover was appropriate in one sense, and inappropriate in another. It was the Judge's overall characterization of ID in that ruling that was the problem. I don't think it would be prudent for anyone to legally challenge that characterization, because it really has no legal binding. It is merely an opinion. The danger lies in the opinion being used as a precedent in future court cases involving ID. It is outside a Judge's scope and practice to offer their opinion as a ruling in areas outside their expertise. So Jones did not get it wrong as far as the legal ruling (i.e., the Dover area schoolboard had a religious agenda, which violated the establishment clause); he got it wrong as far as the opinion. Judge's are not scientists, and should make legal determinations only, not scientific ones. There are even atheists who recognized the problems with this ruling. An overly zealous religious judge could do the same thing in ruling Evolution not scientific. I'm certain too, that in such a case many Evangelical Christians and others would applaud such the, but such a judge would still be wrong.CannuckianYankee_{June 19, 2009
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Had the new Dover SB appealed they could have saved their district quite a bit of money. But anyway all that is needed is to have a school teacher or school board- without religious motivations- do what the old Dover SB did. So far no one has challenged my "ID awareness day"- and that is because I have made it clear that I don't have any religious motivations.Joseph_{June 19, 2009
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Do you think it’s dangerous to show IC structures, genetic entropy, CSI etc to kids?
Not at all. It would be most interesting to see. Bring it on!Alan Fox_{June 19, 2009
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David Kellogg, "Also, Dover went and elected a sane school board that didn’t want to appeal." Do you think it's dangerous to show IC structures, genetic entropy, CSI etc to kids?lamarck_{June 19, 2009
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Fair enough, folks. So Jones' ruling can never be challenged, then?Alan Fox_{June 19, 2009
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Joseph is right. You have to have what legal people call "standing." Also, Dover went and elected a sane school board that didn't want to appeal.David Kellogg_{June 19, 2009
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Alan Fox, Not just anyone can step in and challenge a ruling.Joseph_{June 19, 2009
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Cornelius Hunter is wrong on all counts. Those of us who think evolution occurs think so because of the evidence, which is overwhelming. But I doubt there is one of us who would rop it if convincing evidence appeared to demonstrate it wrong (Cambrian rabbits for one). That's hardly a religious position. Perhaps Cornelius should take up another hobby, though not baseball: he's batted 0 for 3 on this one.Gaz_{June 19, 2009
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Alan Fox, Sure, so you know which comment I was referring to.Clive Hayden_{June 19, 2009
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Ok, but if it is wrong, surely it can be challenged?Alan Fox_{June 19, 2009
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Alan Fox, Not just anyone can step in and appeal a ruling.Joseph_{June 19, 2009
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You delete my comment, then quote it!Alan Fox_{June 19, 2009
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Mr. Hunter, I find your blog one of the most informative I have read. I think it has something to do with the fact that you explain things well, and for me as a non-scientist, this is very helpful. Thanks.CannuckianYankee_{June 19, 2009
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Alan Fox, ------"If Jones got it wrong, why not appeal rather than whine?" A man writes his thoughts and you call it whining? Certain things I won't tolerate, and this is one of them.Clive Hayden_{June 19, 2009
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The new school board didn't support the contested policy, so why would they appeal?ScottAndrews_{June 19, 2009
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Most excellent. And thank-you for the link to your blog. Now I know it exists.IRQ Conflict_{June 19, 2009
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Cornelius, May I suggest you post your entire entry here at UD rather than just a short intro with a link to your blog? It's a bit awkward flipping back and forth between pages, especially when the main post is relatively short. Anyway, thanks for your consideration.herb_{June 19, 2009
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