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Paul Nelson examines the available evidence suggesting, “that Sagan’s understanding of design detection was far subtler and more open-ended than many realize.”

The late astronomer and science popularizer Carl Sagan (1934-1996) is often seen as an exemplar of a certain attitude on the relationship of science and theology: skeptical, anti-religion, pro-naturalism. Abundant evidence supports this view of Sagan, but there are fascinating hints in both his technical and popular writings that Sagan’s understanding of design detection was far subtler and more open-ended than many realize. Like his British contemporary, the astronomer Fred Hoyle (1915-2001), Sagan left evidence that he might well have enjoyed conversations with intelligent design theorists. Such historical counterfactuals are tricky at best, of course, so let’s look at some of the available evidence, and the reader can speculate on her own.

Design Detection in Sagan’s Novel Contact

The last chapter (24) of Sagan’s novel Contact (1985; later made into a film [1997] starring Jodie Foster) is an unmistakable example of number mysticism and design detection, using pi — the mathematical constant and irrational number expressing the ratio between the circumference of any circle and its diameter. Entitled “The Artist’s Signature,” the chapter opens with two epigraphs, as follows:

“Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.” (1 COR. 15:51)

“The universe seems…to have been determined and ordered in accordance with the creator of all things; for the pattern was fixed, like a preliminary sketch, by the determination of number pre-existent in the mind of the world-creating God.” NICOMACHUS OF GERASA, ARITHMETIC I, 6 (CA. AD 100)

This passage, from the very end of the chapter — and the book — bears quoting. Sagan places the whole section in italics for emphasis:

The universe was made on purpose, the circle said…As long as you live in this universe, and have a modest talent for mathematics, sooner or later you’ll find it. It’s already here. It’s inside everything. You don’t have to leave your planet to find it. In the fabric of space and the nature of matter, as in a great work of art, there is, written small, the artist’s signature. Standing over humans, gods, and demons, subsuming Caretakers and Tunnel builders, there is an intelligence that antedates the universe. [Emphasis added.]

Design’s Narrative Power

Of course, Contact is a novel, not a scientific or philosophical treatise. Sagan was writing for drama (Contact actually started out as a movie treatment in 1980-81). But rather like his contemporaries Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick, Sagan loved to play around with concepts of design detection and non-human intelligence. Their narrative power was undeniable.

Sagan and Intelligent Design

In 1985, when Contact was first published, intelligent design as an intellectual position was largely confined to the edges of academic philosophy, in the work of people such as the Canadian philosopher John Leslie, and a few hardy souls in the neighborhood of books like Thaxton, Bradley, and Olsen, The Mystery of Life’s Origin (1984).

When ID appeared to become a real cultural threat, however — as it did starting in the mid 1990s in the United States — the dynamic shifted. Still, while Sagan was anti-religious, he was decidedly not anti-design, in the generic sense of the detectability of intelligent causation as a mode distinct from ordinary physical causation. In any case, he died in 1996, and therefore missed the coming high points of the ID debate. Others took up the skeptical mantle, to make sure that design never found a footing in science proper.

As boundary-pushers, both Sagan and Hoyle caught plenty of flak during their lifetimes. Sagan, for instance, was never elected to the National Academy of Sciences. Both paid a price for their popularity and willingness to write novels toying with non-human intelligences. It is interesting, then, to wonder how Sagan would have responded to ID, as articulated by Michael Behe, William Dembski, Stephen Meyer, etc., and how he might have separated his own views from it

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ChuckDarwin @7: Right? What sort of god would design humans to love their dogs so much, then design dogs with a lifespan 1/6 of a human? Just cruel, so cruel.dogdoc
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Seversky at 17, God cares about you and waits for you.relatd
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Seversky at 16, This is a common attempt to get people to reject God. He, and/or His proxies, kill people. https://apologeticspress.org/did-god-order-the-killing-of-babies-2810/relatd
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CD
I would suggest that this higher authority is basic logic and common sense.
Yes, but those are abstract qualities. They have to be embodied in persons in order to take effect and have authority. So, it ends up being the person himself as the higher authority. He is the one criticizing God. He's proclaiming himself as the alternative to God. His morality is superior to God's. That's what happens with the ridicule and mockery of God - the one ridiculing holds himself up against God (and all religion) as the superior source, superior knowledge and wisdom. I consider, there are people who dismiss the entire Bible on this basis - extracting a passage, making no real attempt to contextualize and closing with ridicule. The alternative to God and religion? It's logic and common sense, as you say - but only embodied by that particular person (everyone, including Bible-believers has logic and common sense).
As Seversky notes, you can only go so far in trying to justify the odious acts of a God who is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
I'll suggest that you can go a very long way before ever hitting a dead-end when it comes to knowledge of God. What you've given above is one characteristic of God "omnibenevolence" - but this has to work within all other virtues. Goodness is alongside of truth. Mercy is alongside of justice. Common sense and logic will tell us that there is something much deeper to consider.
We have every right to question God, in fact, I think it is our duty. This is human thought attempting to address a legitimate question.
If that's the case then I'd fully agree. But I'll suggest that an understanding of the Christian faith is a vast and complex undertaking and even the idea that logic should be adequate for understanding the creator of the cosmos is something that needs to be questioned. Logic is a tool that human beings use - the same human beings that cannot explain their own origin or destiny since they were not around when they came to be and do not know what will be there when they cease.Silver Asiatic
June 18, 2022
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SA/18 Not that it has anything to do with Carl Sagan, but you bring up an interesting point:
If God is deemed morally deficient, then that’s an appeal to a higher authority.
I would suggest that this higher authority is basic logic and common sense. As Seversky notes, you can only go so far in trying to justify the odious acts of a God who is supposed to be omnibenevolent. After a while, the mounting acts of gratuitous violence, suffering and destructiveness heaped upon humanity simply belie the claimed goodness of God. It's similar to trying to explain the trinity, the more you explain, the more deeply illogical and bizarre it gets. It's as Yeats so famously wrote, eventually "the center cannot hold." This is not mockery. We have every right to question God, in fact, I think it is our duty. This is human thought attempting to address a legitimate question. Choosing to be Christian is choosing to sweep vast inconsistencies of logic and common sense under the rug--the proverbial leap of faith....chuckdarwin
June 18, 2022
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Seversky
Greater in what sense?
Whatever has to bear the brunt of ridicule has been demeaned. It's considered "lesser than" - and thus is mocked. So, in order to mock something there has to be something greater than that which is being mocked. A stupid person is ridiculed - and therefore the one doing the mocking is stating that he thinks he, himself (or at least someone else), is smarter than the stupid person. A guy who is clumsy and weak in athletics is mocked and ridiculed by those who think there is greater aptitude and strength to be found in athletics (either they have it or someone else does). A person who mocks others' religion is stating his belief that there is a more intelligent, greater or better ideology or belief system than religion.
While fear may be a rational reaction to such a being is praise or homage appropriate in any other sense?
Yes, fear would have nothing to do with the desire to praise and give homage to that which is magnificent and great. Perhaps the only fear would be in the way that one might have an awe-struck reverence in the presence, for example, of an original painting by a great master of the past. For example, if you were entrusted with transporting a great, rare work - you'd have a sense of fear given the beauty and possibility of irreparable damage. But God is worthy of praise because of His excellence, value, wisdom and beauty - all of His attributes. But if God receives ridicule from a person, then the person is saying that there is something greater than God - obviously. Whatever it may be - it's usually just the person himself. It's something like Einstein's ability to marvel at what he saw in the universe. God as the Creator of the greatness we observe, deserves praise - especially considering that His qualities are infinitely greater than even what we can observe in creation.
Not necessarily, it may just be that there is no good reason to believe in the existence of such a being.
If it's a question of not having good reason then it would be left at that. However, I was referring to a case where there is ridicule or selective-reading of the scripture (ignoring or dismissing the huge majority of the text) for the purpose of judging God. Where there's a judgement there's a higher authority. If God is deemed morally deficient, then that's an appeal to a higher authority.Silver Asiatic
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Silver Asiatic/14
The person who ridicules God and religion is saying that there is something greater.
Greater in what sense?
There is a greater authority, something of more value, something that should be praised and honored more than God. That’s why the ridicule. People should accept that which is greater than God and give that homage.
I've never quite understood this urge to praise, honor, pay homage to or worship some possibly imaginary being except as an expression of fear, the hope that obeisance will be looked on with favor by some being who has the power to do great harm if they chose. While fear may be a rational reaction to such a being is praise or homage appropriate in any other sense?
That’s always what they’re saying. If God deserves ridicule, then there’s something much better than God. Something of higher moral excellence and wisdom.
Not necessarily, it may just be that there is no good reason to believe in the existence of such a being.Seversky
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Seversky at 12, So, God is not God. He’s a bad God. He doesn’t know what He’s doing. And He kills people. God is wiser than men. Much wiser.
This is not something I made up. This is the testimony of the Christian Bible. If a God is supposed to be omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnipresent, what are we to make of stories in which he or his proxies kill large numbers of people with impunity and without concern?Seversky
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SA at 14, Like what?relatd
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The person who ridicules God and religion is saying that there is something greater. Obviously. There is a greater authority, something of more value, something that should be praised and honored more than God. That's why the ridicule. People should accept that which is greater than God and give that homage. That's always what they're saying. If God deserves ridicule, then there's something much better than God. Something of higher moral excellence and wisdom.Silver Asiatic
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Seversky at 12, So, God is not God. He's a bad God. He doesn't know what He's doing. And He kills people. God is wiser than men. Much wiser. Fire bad. Religion bad. I've seen that multiple times and not just here.relatd
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Numbers 31:1-18, New American Standard Bible The Slaughter of Midian 31 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the sons of Israel; afterward you will be gathered to your people.” 3 So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, so that they may [a]go against Midian to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. 4 You shall send a thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel to the war.” 5 So there were selected from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy implements and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. 7 So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of those killed: Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. 9 And the sons of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they plundered all their cattle, all their flocks, and all their property. 10 Then they [b]burned all their cities where they lived and all their encampments. 11 And they took all the plunder and all the spoils, both of people and of livestock. 12 They brought the captives and the spoils and the plunder to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab which are by the Jordan, opposite Jericho. 13 And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp. 14 But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 And Moses said to them, “Have you [c]spared all the women? 16 Behold, they caused the sons of Israel, through the [d]counsel of Balaam, to be unfaithful to the Lord in the matter of Peor, so that the plague took place among the congregation of the Lord! 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man [e]intimately. 18 However, all the [f]girls who have not known a [g]man intimately, keep alive for yourselves.
Marvelous works, indeed.Seversky
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Man is not immortal. Neither are animals. However, the first man, Adam, could have been immortal but chose to disobey the one commandment given to him by God. His wife also. Hebrews 9:27 "And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment;"relatd
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Nice one, Blastus.Belfast
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Chuck Darwin at 7 appears to use this reasoning: A. Living beings die. B. Death is proof of a design flaw. C. There is no intelligent design. Interesting. I have never thought my mortality to be proof that I was not miraculously designed. I suppose it would prove something if the intelligent designer had intended immortality and then somehow fell short. Would this not rather depend on the designer's intention? Psalm 139:14 KJV I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.Blastus
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CD at 7, Don't bow down to the the pagan god - Evolution. Stop bowing down to it. Fair warning: God will not be mocked. Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."relatd
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My dogs are dead. Had they been competently designed by The Intelligent Designer, they'd still be with me. Darwin didn't forbid anything. And, as far as our origins go, I don't know and neither do you.....chuckdarwin
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CD at 3, Is your only purpose here to make sure that ID does not get loose in the wild? I mean, Darwin forbid that people realize that their origin is not some rock from outer space or aliens. Is that what you believe, that you're some cosmic accident? Well, you're not. You are designed. Your dog is designed. Everything around you that is alive was designed.relatd
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"he might have devoted an entire chapter to ID as a religious cult" CD, The sooner you realize that people that view science as an alternative to/substitute for religion -make science a religious cult-, the sooner you can stop trolling, which I think would be a step in the right direction for you. For you see, science has no capacity to ask or answer the Big Questions, so anyone who thinks science eliminates these questions, is truly a confused dude. Science for some, seems to be the excuse to pretend the Big Questions don't exist. They're still there, though. Andrewasauber
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Carl Sagan couldn't provide a scientific explanation for our existence. His entire life was that of a religious cult. He worshiped at the altar of father time, mother nature and some unknown naturalistic processes.ET
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Is this DI's lame attempt to posthumously drag Sagan into the ID fold? Since we are engaging in "tricky" historical counterfactuals, I would speculate that if today's ID movement had been around when Sagan wrote his 1997 book, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, he might have devoted an entire chapter to ID as a religious cult. He would have applied his baloney detection kit and found ID wanting....chuckdarwin
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As to SETI and Design detection, and per Paul Nelson, " some feature of “intelligence” must be irreducible to physics, because otherwise we’re back to physics versus physics, and there’s nothing for SETI to look for.",,,
Do You Like SETI? Fine, Then Let’s Dump Methodological Naturalism - Paul Nelson -September 24, 2014 Excerpt: Assessing the Damage MN Does to Freedom of Inquiry Epistemology — how we know — and ontology — what exists — are both affected by methodological naturalism. If we say, "We cannot know that a mind caused x," laying down an epistemological boundary defined by MN, then our ontology comprising real causes for x won’t include minds. MN entails an ontology in which minds are the consequence of physics, and thus, can only be placeholders for a more detailed causal account in which physics is the only (ultimate) actor. You didn’t write your email to me. Physics did, and informed you of that event after the fact. "That’s crazy," you reply, "I certainly did write my email." Okay, then — to what does the pronoun "I" in that sentence refer? Your personal agency; your mind. Are you supernatural?,,, You are certainly an intelligent cause, however, and your intelligence does not collapse into physics. (If it does collapse — i.e., can be reduced without explanatory loss — we haven’t the faintest idea how, which amounts to the same thing.) To explain the effects you bring about in the world — such as your email, a real pattern — we must refer to you as a unique agent.,,, ,,, some feature of "intelligence" must be irreducible to physics, because otherwise we’re back to physics versus physics, and there’s nothing for SETI to look for. https://evolutionnews.org/2014/09/do_you_like_set/
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Ju8ne 2022 - And as George Ellis explained, “if Einstein did not have free will in some meaningful sense, then he could not have been responsible for the theory of relativity – it would have been a product of lower level (physical) processes but not of an intelligent mind choosing between possible options.” https://uncommondescent.com/evolution/at-evolution-news-three-realities-chance-cant-explain-that-intelligent-design-can/#comment-757627 How Does The World Work: Top-Down or Bottom-Up? - September 29, 2013 Excerpt: To get an handle on how top-down causation works, Ellis focuses on what's in front of all us so much of the time: the computer. ,,, As Ellis puts it:,,, The consequences of this perspective for our view of the mind are straightforward and radical: “The mind is not a physical entity, but it certainly is causally effective: proof is the existence of the computer on which you are reading this text. It could not exist if it had not been designed and manufactured according to someone's plans, thereby proving the causal efficacy of thoughts, which like computer programs and data are not physical entities.” http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/09/29/225359504/how-does-the-world-work-top-down-or-bottom-up
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the detectability of intelligent causation as a mode distinct from ordinary physical causation.
Humans, other animals, and presumably ET life forms if they exist, leave tell-tale signs of their existence (SETI astrobiologists spend a lot of time thinking about how we might detect them). If this is what you mean by "intelligent causation" being distinct, then I would think everyone would agree. If, on the other hand, you mean that "intelligent causation" is ontologically distinct from "ordinary physical causation" (which is what ID folks usually mean) then no, I don't think Sagan gave any indication that he was a mind/body dualist or a metaphysical libertarian.dogdoc
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