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Michael Behe writes:

The more science progresses, the more hapless Darwin seems.

In my 2019 book Darwin Devolves I showed that random mutation and natural selection are powerful de-volutionary forces. That is, they quickly lead to the loss of genetic information. The reason is that, in many environmental circumstances, a species’ lot can be improved most quickly by breaking or blunting pre-existing genes. To get the point across, I used an analogy to a quick way to improve a car’s gas mileage — remove the hood, throw out the doors, get rid of any excess weight. That will help the car go further, but it also reduces the number of features of the car. And it sure doesn’t explain how any of those now-jettisoned parts got there in the first place.

Image credit: Thomas Quine, CC BY 2.0 , via Wikimedia Commons.

The Bottom Line

The same goes for biology. Helpful mutations that arrive most quickly are very much more likely to degrade genetic features than to construct new ones. The featured illustration in Darwin Devolves was the polar bear, which has accumulated a number of beneficial mutations since it branched off from the brown bear a few hundred thousand years ago. Yet the large majority of those beneficial mutations were degradative — they broke or damaged pre-existing genes. For example, a gene involved in fur pigmentation was damaged, rendering the beast white — that helped; another gene involved in fat metabolism was degraded, allowing the animal to consume lots of seal blubber, its main food in the Arctic — that helped, too. Those mutations were good for the species in the moment — they did improve its chances of survival. But degradative mutations don’t explain how the functioning genes got there in the first place. Even worse, the relentless burning of genetic information to adapt to a changing environment will make a species evolutionarily brittle and more prone to extinction. The bottom line: Although random mutation and natural selection help a species adapt, Darwinian processes can’t account for the origins of sophisticated biological systems.

In Darwin Devolves, I also mentioned work on DNA extracted from frozen woolly mammoth carcasses that showcased devolution: “26 genes were shown to be seriously degraded, many of which (as with polar bear) were involved in fat metabolism, critical in the extremely cold environments that the mammoth roamed.” It turns out that was an underestimate. A new paper1 that has sequenced DNA from several more woolly mammoth remains says the true number is more than triple that — 87 genes broken compared to their elephant relatives. 

There’s Lots More

The point is that these gene losses aren’t side shows — they are the events that transformed an elephant into a mammoth, that adapted the animal to its changing environment. A job well done, yes, but now those genes are gone forever, unavailable to help with the next change of environment. Perhaps that contributed to eventual mammoth extinction.

As quoted above, the mammoth authors note that gene losses can be adaptive, and they cited a paper that I hadn’t seen before. I checked it out and it’s a wonderful laboratory evolution study of yeast.2 Helsen et al. (2020) used a collection of yeast strains in which one of each different gene in the genome had been knocked out. They grew the knockout yeast in a stressful environment and watched to see how the microbes evolved to handle it. Many of the yeast strains, with different genes initially knocked out, recovered, and some even surpassed the fitness of wild-type yeast under the circumstances. The authors emphasized the fact of the evolutionary recovery. However, they also clearly stated (but don’t seem to have noticed the importance of the fact) that all of the strains rebounded by breaking other genes, ones that had been intact at the beginning of the experiment. None built anything new, all of them devolved.

Well, Duh

That’s hardly a surprise. At least in retrospect, it’s easy to see that devolution must happen — for the simple reason that helpful degradative mutations are more plentiful than helpful constructive ones and thus arrive more quickly for natural selection to multiply. The more recent results recounted here just pile more evidence onto that gathered in Darwin Devolves showing Darwin’s mechanism is powerfully devolutionary. That simple realization neatly explains results ranging from the evolutionary behavior of yeast in a comfy modern laboratory, to the speciation of megafauna in raw nature millions of years ago, and almost certainly to everything in between.

References

  1. Van der Valk, Tom, et al. 2022. Evolutionary consequences of genomic deletions and insertions in the woolly mammoth genome. iScience 25, 104826.
  2. Helsen, J. et al. 2020. Gene loss predictably drives evolutionary adaptation. Molecular Biology and Evolution 37, 2989–3002.

Behe’s conclusions have significant implications: evolutionary adaptation seems to progress by breaking existing genes in such a way as to confer a survival advantage in a niche environment; the result is a more “brittle” species with fewer options for surviving further environmental stresses; the mystery of the origin of the original genes is in no way explained by natural means at any step in the process. Rather than Darwinian evolution providing a mechanism for the “origin of the species,” it more adequately explains the demise of species.

Comments
Oh an "Intelligently Designed" OoL! That's it folks. No mechanism. No hypothesis. No evidence. Just poof, God did it. Well, maybe, it's a choice for anyone to believe, ...but it's not a scientific one. JoeG shows once again ID is not science.Alan Fox
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Felsenstein:
It is moving to a much-less-well-understood topic, one where Design Intervention can be invoked.
Biological evolution isn't understood as evolutionary biologists still don't know what determines biological form! The alleged evolution of prokaryotes to eukaryotes is not understood. The alleged evolution of single-celled eukaryotes to metazoans is not understood.ET
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Alan Fox once again proves that he is clueless. Joe Felsenstein is willfully ignorant. How life originated dictates how it subsequently evolved. It is only if blind and mindless processes produced life would we say they also produced life's diversity. Unfortunately, there isn't any evidence for that and there isn't any way to test it. An Intelligently Designed OoL means that organisms were so designed with the information and ability to evolve and adapt. Evolution by means of intelligent design, ie telic processes. Genetic algorithms exemplify evolution by means of telic processes. That is easy to understand and yet Alan chokes on it EVERY time! Joe Felsenstein and Alan remain willfully ignorant and apparently proud of it.ET
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It is very telling that Alan Fox cannot come up with a scientific explanation for our existence.
I'm hardly unique. In fact, I don't know of anyone who can. I see we are back to, what does Joe Felsenstein call it, OTOOL? Advocates of ID and creationists often avoid talking about how changes of DNA sequence by mutation and by changes of gene frequency of the resulting DNA sequences increase the functional information in the DNA. They usually immediately change the subject to the Origin Of Life. I like to call this change of topic OTOOL (Off To the Origin Of Life), or STOOL (Switch To the Origin Of Life). It is moving to a much-less-well-understood topic, one where Design Intervention can be invoked. linkAlan Fox
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It is very telling that Alan Fox cannot come up with a scientific explanation for our existence.ET
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Only a fool thinks that natural selection produced the duplicate gene in the LTEE. The ONLY gene that could help was duplicated and then put under the control of an existing binding site that just happened to be active in the presence of oxygen. This is exactly what Spetner was talking about with "built-in responses to environmental cues". THAT is how ID explains it, Alan.ET
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Earth to Alan Fox- I am comforted by the fact that I could easily destroy you in a debate on science, ID, biology and evolution. Easily. You are too chicken to ante up!ET
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Alan Fox:
Behe is wrong on so many points, I hardly know where to start.
? Your cowardice is not an argument.ET
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My unfortunate experiences bear this out completely.
Uncommon Descent blog is not the best place to encounter mainstream biologists and biochemists. Not even soi-disant ID researchers post here. Kairosfocus, bornagain77, ET? Not exactly the A team. Hence my advice to folks who think they understand evolutionary biology enough to criticize it to get out more. Either take the argument where it may be noticed or enjoy life doing something else.Alan Fox
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They didn’t even know enough to try to pass off Lenski’s experiment as an example of the evolution of a novel feature rather than breaking a suppressor gene.
So, why haven't the other eleven tribes "devolved" if the breakage is so simple? And why is the one tribe now a clone of the "devolved" strain? Natural selection is the evolutionary explanation. ID? Nada!Alan Fox
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Querius@61
Instead the trolls resort to ad hominem attacks and unsupported assertions, apprently believing that their vacuous opinions somehow constitute irrefutable proof. They also tend to hand out “homework assignments” that would take someone hours to put together, only to see their work waved off or ignored. Don’t forget that their purpose here is simply to waste your time. I don’t remember any of them providing well-supported objections. From their responses, one can easily see why I suspect that at least some of them are simply bots.
You nailed it again! My unfortunate experiences bear this out completely.doubter
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Querius: I’ve proposed an experiment with enhanced mutation of bacteria by means of irradiation to simulate millions of years of evolution. Well, the results will be easy to analyse as most of the 'subjects' will be dead.JVL
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Relatd @65, See what I mean? It's a typical trollbot response. -QQuerius
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AF at 63 and 64, Charlie? Charlie Brown? Keep this up and that sock with your name on it goes into the launcher...relatd
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I’ve proposed an experiment with enhanced mutation of bacteria by means of irradiation to simulate millions of years of evolution.
Good grief! I mean... Good grief!Alan Fox
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I’ve proposed an experiment with enhanced mutation of bacteria by means of irradiation to simulate millions of years of evolution.
Good grief! I mean... Good grief!Alan Fox
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Hi Doubter Your comment 52 seems to talk about random walks. Nothing to do with evolutionary biology. What do you think you are challenging other than a very poorly built straw man?Alan Fox
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Thanks, Doubter. Speaking of your unanswered challenge in 52, on many occasions here, I've proposed an experiment with enhanced mutation of bacteria by means of irradiation to simulate millions of years of evolution. Their high reproduction rate together with their extremely high LD 50/30 make them ideal subjects. Researchers can include a variety of graded environments from ideal to extremophile. Not only can bacterial DNA changes be tracked, but the rate of beneficial mutations leading to features already observed in different bacteria, for example the flagella in Yersinia pestis. All I've ever seen here from the trolls is crickets in response to the challenge. They didn't even know enough to try to pass off Lenski's experiment as an example of the evolution of a novel feature rather than breaking a suppressor gene. Instead the trolls resort to ad hominem attacks and unsupported assertions, apprently believing that their vacuous opinions somehow constitute irrefutable proof. They also tend to hand out "homework assignments" that would take someone hours to put together, only to see their work waved off or ignored. Don't forget that their purpose here is simply to waste your time. I don't remember any of them providing well-supported objections. From their responses, one can easily see why I suspect that at least some of them are simply bots. -QQuerius
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Querius@56 You nailed it!doubter
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AF, Getting down to brass tacks and the main issue, you and your colleagues continue not to respond to my challenge in #52, "Please cite some actual data, actual evidence, incontrovertibly establishing a Darwinistic very gradual transition leading to a complex innovative new biological system. And not a wishful thinking theoretical just so story." And there is the same failure with other challenges like it. Why might this be? Of course, there has been continual use of the simple argument by assertion, which is well-known to be invalid.doubter
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Relatd @57, Yes, and Charles Darwin has become "the Aristotle of biology," preventing legitimate scientific challenges and research into reasonable, non-racially motivated alternatives, perhaps also for hundreds of years. -QQuerius
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Querius at 56, That was very good. I had to check my copy of the Primordial Soup Cookbook and there it was, buried on page 89: "We don't know if any of this actually happened but it's our best guess." Evolution - the most prolific fictional storytelling device ever created. Our motto: "We can explain anything with some of the best conjecture you've ever seen. Notice: Low on facts; very low."relatd
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Relatd @40,
I watched on TV as a voiceover explained that if a planet was the right distance from its sun, had water, and the “building blocks of life” – amino acids – that life would appear there. Really?
Yep!!! And this theory has a name and once had scientific consensus, supported by none other than Aristotle himself!!! The name of the concept is spontaneous generation and it involved some famous experiments. Here are the procedures: Jan Baptista Van Helmont's experiment: 1. Place a dirty shirt in an open pot or barrel containing grains of wheat or some wheat bran. 2. In 21 days, spontaneously generated mice will appear. 3. There will be adult males and females present and they will be capable of sexual reproduction. Common knowledge: 1. Place some rotting meat in a jar. 2. In a few days, maggots will be spontaneously generated from the meat. John Needham's experiment 1. Boil some broth with an infusion of plant and animal matter. 2. Put the liquid in sealed flasks. 3. After a few days, the broth became cloudy with myriads of spontaneously generated microscopic creatures. These scientific experiments were sadly falsified by Francesco Redi, Lazzaro Spallanzani, and Louis Pasteur. However, there's hope! A new version of spontaneous generation has emerged: 1. Throw some rags with amino acids onto a dirty earth. 2. Blast it with electrical discharges (as in the old Frankenstein movies), randomly heat and cool the mixture (salt the primordial soup to taste), bubble through some weird atmospheric mixtures. 3. Wait a billion years or so. 4. Ta-da! Life will have Spontaneously Generated, evolving in complexity and capability, producing mice, maggots, and microbes! Note: The alliterations are irresistible proof beyond just simple assertion that this "musta" really happened, and we go from coacervates to chimpanzees! And there you have it! Irrefutable science fantasy without a shred of actual biochemical evidence. -QQuerius
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As to where the very high intelligence is, and when exactly does it act, that these questions haven’t been answered is irrelevant: such questions are beyond what ID has established or even tried to establish.
*chuckles*Alan Fox
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Relatd: The same old same old. I don't understand. This is not a statement from me, it's a story about a major protestant sect and its approach to unguided evolutionary theory. The National Academies of Sciences tried the same thing. I didn't link to a statement from the NAS. Some Christians, in their efforts to welcome the stranger, do not take the time to understand what they read. What some “scientists” tell them. I understand that some Christians are told to be kind to others in this case, but there is no kindness involved when accepting falsehoods. It is wrong to do so. Well, then you have an argument with them don't you. Are you trying to work that out or are you spending a lot of time blaming atheists when there's a lot more Christians who are 'your' problem? From a non-Christian point of view there doesn't seem to be a coherent and consistent and agreed-upon view amongst Christians regarding a lot of topics like unguided evolution, same-sex marriage, etc. Far be it for me to decide what you guys should think. But you can't expect me to decide which amongst you is actually representing the faith and which are not. A non-believer should not be making judgement about ecclesiastical issues, that's up to you. And when you guys don't agree then . . .JVL
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Please explain exactly how Dr. Behe is wrong.
OK. Behe is wrong on so many points, I hardly know where to start. Hydroquinone resistance? Would that do?
Then please cite something substantive from Lenski’s experiment.
The very fact it is still running debunks Sandford's genetic entropy nonsense.
And don’t use the citrate metabolism ploy.
I can understand why you'd want to keep that out of play. ;)
Behe already debunked that.
Really? Then let's go there.Alan Fox
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AF@30
Only if you reject evolutionary explanations and claim that an ID explanation exists for observed biological phenomena and assume this is the only alternative by default. (The Sherlock Holmes fallacy – overlooking the explanation you don’t know and haven’t considered). Do you have a mechanism for how this intervention occurs? Where is this very high intelligence, when does it act? Is it like God performing miracles or is it more observable and verifiable, not just a default assumption?
The Darwinistic undirected purposeless semirandom walk hypothesis has been considered many times, and found seriously wanting, as documented by too many papers and articles to mention. Please cite some actual data, actual evidence, incontrovertibly establishing a Darwinistic very gradual transition leading to a complex innovative new biological system. And not a wishful thinking theoretical just so story. As to where the very high intelligence is, and when exactly does it act, that these questions haven't been answered is irrelevant: such questions are beyond what ID has established or even tried to establish.doubter
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JVL at 49, The same old same old. The National Academies of Sciences tried the same thing. The following contains a number of false statements, including the idea that you can't get a high paying job unless you first believe in evolution. https://www.nationalacademies.org/evolution/science-and-religion Some Christians, in their efforts to welcome the stranger, do not take the time to understand what they read. What some "scientists" tell them. I understand that some Christians are told to be kind to others in this case, but there is no kindness involved when accepting falsehoods. It is wrong to do so. Matthew 24:4 'And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray."relatd
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Yes, I have heard this, but he’s wrong. I’ll just mention Lenski’s ongoing Long-term Evolution Experiment. 75,000 generations and counting.
Please explain exactly how Dr. Behe is wrong. Then please cite something substantive from Lenski's experiment. And don't use the citrate metabolism ploy. Behe already debunked that.
Much recent research? Can you cite a paper or two?
- Van der Valk, Tom, et al. 2022. Evolutionary consequences of genomic deletions and insertions in the woolly mammoth genome. iScience 25, 104826. (woolly mammoths) - Helsen, J. et al. 2020. Gene loss predictably drives evolutionary adaptation. Molecular Biology and Evolution 37, 2989–3002. (yeast)
That makes no sense to me. 99% of species of life on Earth are extinct. Life has almost died out several times in the history of the Earth. The Permian extinction was quite a disaster. The scientific explanation is that there was a rapid warming of the climate. ID explanation? What was the very high intelligence doing?
Non sequitur
You should get out more
Bluster again.doubter
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Relatd: People might start thinking about God. Can’t have that. Why? Because the atheist-materialist idea has to be sold to the American people, to Western Europe and everywhere else if possible. This article was published in 2010: https://www.christianpost.com/news/some-christians-declare-evolution-faith-are-compatible.html
The Church of England's governing body on Friday approved a motion that emphasizes the compatibility of belief in both God and science. Dr. Peter Capon, a former computer science lecturer, introduced the motion arguing that "rejecting much mainstream science does nothing to support those Christians who are scientists ... or strengthen the Christian voice in the scientific area." He urged Christians to take scientific evidence seriously and avoid prejudging science for theological reasons. The vote comes as more than 850 congregations throughout the globe are celebrating Evolution Weekend with the aim of demonstrating that evolution poses no problems for their faith. Religion and science are not adversaries, they say. Rather, the two fields should be seen as complementary, they maintain. Evolution Weekend, which kicked off Friday, is supported by those of various faith traditions including Christians, Jews, Muslims and Unitarian Universalists. "Religious leaders around the world are coming together to elevate the quality of the discussion about this important topic. They are demonstrating to their congregations that people can accept all that modern science has learned while retaining their faith," said Michael Zimmerman, founder of Evolution Weekend and professor of Biology at Butler University in Indianapolis. Since 2004 more than 12,400 Christian clergypersons from various denominations in the United States have signed "The Clergy Letter," expressing their belief "that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist." In the letter, Christian clergy contend, "Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
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