Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

At Medical Express: First direct evidence that babies react to taste and smell in the womb

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email

A study led by Durham University’s Fetal and Neonatal Research Lab, UK, took 4D ultrasound scans of 100 pregnant women to see how their unborn babies responded after being exposed to flavors from foods eaten by their mothers.

Researchers looked at how the fetuses reacted to either carrot or kale flavors just a short time after the flavors had been ingested by the mothers.

Fetuses exposed to carrot showed more “laughter-face” responses while those exposed to kale showed more “cry-face” responses.

First direct evidence that babies react to taste and smell in the womb
A 4D scan image of the same fetus (as in the laughter-face baseline image) showing a laughter-face reaction after being exposed to the carrot flavour. Credit: FETAP (Fetal Taste Preferences) Study, Fetal and Neonatal Research Lab, Durham University.

Their findings could further our understanding of the development of human taste and smell receptors.

The researchers also believe that what pregnant women eat might influence babies’ taste preferences after birth and potentially have implications for establishing healthy eating habits.

The study is published in the journal Psychological Science.

Humans experience flavor through a combination of taste and smell. In fetuses it is thought that this might happen through inhaling and swallowing the amniotic fluid in the womb.

Mothers were given a single capsule containing approximately 400mg of carrot or 400mg kale powder around 20 minutes before each scan. They were asked not to consume any food or flavored drinks one hour before their scans.

Facial reactions seen in both flavor groups, compared with fetuses in a control group who were not exposed to either flavor, showed that exposure to just a small amount of carrot or kale flavor was enough to stimulate a reaction.

“Previous research conducted in my lab has suggested that 4D ultrasound scans are a way of monitoring fetal reactions to understand how they respond to maternal health behaviors such as smoking, and their mental health including stress, depression, and anxiety.

“This latest study could have important implications for understanding the earliest evidence for fetal abilities to sense and discriminate different flavors and smells from the foods ingested by their mothers.”

The researchers say their findings might also help with information given to mothers about the importance of taste and healthy diets during pregnancy.

They have now begun a follow-up study with the same babies post-birth to see if the influence of flavors they experienced in the womb affects their acceptance of different foods.

Medical Express

These findings seem to support the conclusion that the unborn are alive and human. But does the flavor of carrots make you smile?

Comments
@ Sir Giles Relieved to hear that all has gone as hoped so far for your daughter. If her chances of bringing a pregnancy to term are improved, at least some good has come. My own daughter discovered as a teenager that she would be unable to have children. She's now 40 and, though she has been open and public about the issue, I can't help reflecting on the arbitrary nature of existence.Alan Fox
September 29, 2022
September
09
Sep
29
29
2022
12:46 AM
12
12
46
AM
PDT
Seversky: The question is whether a partly-formed fetus is actually capable of experiencing the fear and pain felt by a fully-developed adult Why is that your criterion? Obviously, this is human in a certain stage of development, which you yourself were at one time. Aren't you glad you weren't aborted? Now, you could say, "if I were aborted at 14 weeks, I wouldn't know the difference now." But if someone murdered you right now, you likewise wouldn't know the difference after you were murdered. It's over. Aside from legal issues, do you believe you have some kind of natural "right to life" now, compared to when you were a 14 week human fetus?Paxx
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
07:04 PM
7
07
04
PM
PDT
BA writes to Sir Giles,
but this still does not answer the pressing question of how your atheistic worldview can possibly ground your great love for your daughter?
The answer, which won’t mean anything to BA, is that he is wrong about the “atheistic worldview”, and is so rigidly and dogmatically bound to his perspective, that is unable to have a broad perspective about other ways of understanding the human condition. Human beings love, and that loves flows from our common human natures, not from our “worldview”. Atheists and members of all sorts of religions all love for the same reasons, and with equally validity. BA also writes, “the word ‘hell’ is not just some literary device as you have used it against me, but is indeed a real place.” Someone who disagreed with a friend of mine about his “worldview” once said to my friend, “You are going to hell.” My friend, “You go to hell. He’s your God. That doesn’t have anything to do with me.” So I agree with Sir Giles: to LCD and BA, if you’re God exists, then I think your remarks here are worthy of his damnation and condemnation.Viola Lee
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
06:41 PM
6
06
41
PM
PDT
@sir Giles I’m sorry she lost the child, its good to hear she is okAaronS1978
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
06:07 PM
6
06
07
PM
PDT
Ba77, People don't know what really happens. They may hear about what others say but to see a video of the actual procedure is important. The idea that it's just "a blob of tissue" has been repeated so many times. Thanks for the video. Sir Giles and his family are deserving of support and well wishes. I do wish all of them well.relatd
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:00 PM
5
05
00
PM
PDT
Sir Giles, "For Lieutenant Commander Data and Bornagain77, go to hell." I certainly am glad things went well for your daughter, and am sorry if you somehow thought I wished otherwise for your daughter, but this still does not answer the pressing question of how your atheistic worldview can possibly ground your great love for your daughter? That is not a minor question, since with my Theistic worldview, (besides being able to ground and explain your great love for your daughter), the word 'hell' is not just some literary device as you have used it against me, but is indeed a real place.bornagain77
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
04:43 PM
4
04
43
PM
PDT
To those of you who have expressed their concern and best wishes for my daughter (VL, AF, Aaron and KF), it is much appreciated. My daughter was induced and went into labour. The process went smoothly and the doctors and nurses were very supportive. They were able to get samples from the fetus and the placenta so hopefully she will find out why this is happening. They have to monitor her for bleeding but she should be able to go home tomorrow. For Lieutenant Commander Data and Bornagain77, go to hell.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
04:34 PM
4
04
34
PM
PDT
VL, so just asking Sir Giles how his atheistic worldview can possibly ground his great love for his daughter is a "heartless" and :"unconscionable" thing for me to do? Golly gee whiz, and I thought ripping apart millions of unborn babies, limb from limb, as the abortion industry routinely has done, and is currently doing, with 'dismemberment abortions, was "heartless" and "unconscionable".
Dismemberment Abortion – Patrina Mosley, M.A. Dismemberment abortions are a common and brutal type of abortion that involve dismembering a living unborn child piece by piece. According to the National Abortion Federation’s abortion training textbook, dismemberment abortions are a preferred method of abortion, in part because they are cheaper than other available methods.1 (2018) https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF18F25.pdf 100 million views: People respond to the viral ‘Abortion Procedures’ videos Excerpt: In these videos, Dr. Levatino, who committed over 1,200 abortions before becoming pro-life, explains in detail what occurs when the life of a preborn child is destroyed during an abortion during the 1st, 2nd and 3rd trimesters. Each of the Abortion Procedures videos describes in detail how each abortion procedure is carried out and how the preborn child dies. The realization of abortion’s barbarity, cruelty, and inhumanity has impacted many viewers who were not expecting to see what they saw.,,, https://www.liveaction.org/news/live-action-abortion-procedures-impact/ Abortion Procedures: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Trimesters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFZDhM5Gwhk Watch (pro-choice) minds (immediately) change on abortion (after watching the abortion procedures video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xWQHhqOAcg Abby Johnson Discusses Why She Left Planned Parenthood At The 2020 RNC | NBC News, (she witnessed a dismemberment abortion first hand) https://youtu.be/NXQjCuWFdzI?t=100 Michael Egnor – The Junk Science of the Abortion Lobby (Fetuses not only experience pain but experience it more intensely than do adults) https://mindmatters.ai/2019/01/the-junk-science-of-the-abortion-lobby/
So VL, I guess I really got to go back to school on what is really "heartless" and :"unconscionable". Thanks for cluing me in. I guess the only really "heartless" and :"unconscionable" thing is not dismemberment abortions as I had thought, but is instead for a Christian to dare ask an atheist how his worldview can ground possibly ground his great love for his child. Verse:
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;
bornagain77
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
04:23 PM
4
04
23
PM
PDT
Ba77 at 167, You're welcome. Honesty is important. Are we just chemical reactions with no real purpose or meaning in our lives? Just paying the bills and enjoying ourselves before an inevitable end? Or do our feelings about life, the reality around us, tell us that even though brain chemistry is involved, our feelings mean something more than just neurons firing? She realized that our connection to others really meant something. That being a wife and mother meant something beyond chemical reactions. The true meaning of ourselves is beyond ourselves.relatd
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
03:16 PM
3
03
16
PM
PDT
Relatd thanks, the first few sentences sum up the atheistic dilemma perfectly
Jennifer Fulwiler Excerpt: "One thing I could never get on the same page with my fellow atheists about was the idea of meaning. The other atheists I knew seemed to feel like life was full of purpose despite the fact that we're all nothing more than chemical reactions. I could never get there. In fact, I thought that whole line of thinking was unscientific, and more than a little intellectually dishonest." https://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion-stories/atheist-converts/103-atheist-convert-jennifer-fulwiler
Again, atheists live as if their lives are full of meaning, purpose, and even love, but their worldview simply denies that meaning, purpose, and love exist.
"The self is just another illusion, like the illusion that thought is about stuff or that we carry around plans and purposes that give meaning to what our body does. Every morning’s introspectively fantasized self is a new one, remarkably similar to the one that consciousness ceased fantasizing when we fell sleep sometime the night before. Whatever purpose yesterday’s self thought it contrived to set the alarm last night, today’s newly fictionalized self is not identical to yesterday’s. It’s on its own, having to deal with the whole problem of why to bother getting out of bed all over again.” – Alex.Rosenberg, The Atheist’s Guide to Reality, ch.10 Neuroscientist: Free will is an illusion but we should believe we have it - July 1, 2018 Excerpt: "To give yet another example, is there meaning in life? From a purely abstract philosophical perspective, I would have to say no. There is no objective source of meaning." - Steven Novella https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/neuroscientist-free-will-is-an-illusion-but-we-should-believe-we-have-it/
In short, if God does not exist then life has no objective meaning, value, or purpose. (much less can it have love),
Is There Meaning to Life? - Dr Craig videos (animated video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGnXgH_CzE
bornagain77
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
03:10 PM
3
03
10
PM
PDT
The story of Jennifer Fulwiler can be read here: https://whyimcatholic.com/index.php/conversion-stories/atheist-converts/103-atheist-convert-jennifer-fulwiler Having a baby put her on the road to becoming Catholic.relatd
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
02:51 PM
2
02
51
PM
PDT
BA writes, "I am left wondering exactly why you, an atheist, would still cling to the archaic Theistic ‘illusion of love’ for your daughter? And why do you not just heartlessly treat your daughter like the biological machine, i.e. the meat robot, that she actually is under your Darwinian worldview?" What a heartless thing to write. If you think you are representing your theistic viewpoint, I consider this one more reason to have none of it. I've stayed out of this part of the discussion, (there have been other terrible comments)but this is unconscionable. I wish your daughter well, SGViola Lee
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
02:50 PM
2
02
50
PM
PDT
@ Lieutenant Commander Data His commentary consisted of a lot of “Well, a matter of fact” and “This just in” responses. But as they say innocent until proven guilty, we will just have to see if the pattern continues.AaronS1978
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
02:43 PM
2
02
43
PM
PDT
Sir Giles, while I certainly admire your great empathy and love for your daughter. I am left wondering exactly why you, an atheist, would still cling to the archaic Theistic 'illusion of love' for your daughter? And why do you not just heartlessly treat your daughter like the biological machine, i.e. the meat robot, that she actually is under your Darwinian worldview?
"You are robots made out of meat. Which is what I am going to try to convince you of today" - Jerry Coyne - No, You're Not a Robot Made Out of Meat (Science Uprising 02) - video https://youtu.be/rQo6SWjwQIk?list=PLR8eQzfCOiS1OmYcqv_yQSpje4p7rAE7-&t=20 Darwin's Robots: When Evolutionary Materialists Admit that Their Own Worldview Fails - Nancy Pearcey - April 23, 2015 Excerpt: When I teach these concepts in the classroom, an example my students find especially poignant is Flesh and Machines by Rodney Brooks, professor emeritus at MIT. Brooks writes that a human being is nothing but a machine -- a "big bag of skin full of biomolecules" interacting by the laws of physics and chemistry. In ordinary life, of course, it is difficult to actually see people that way. But, he says, "When I look at my children, I can, when I force myself, ... see that they are machines." Is that how he treats them, though? Of course not: "That is not how I treat them.... I interact with them on an entirely different level. They have my unconditional love, the furthest one might be able to get from rational analysis." Certainly if what counts as "rational" is a materialist worldview in which humans are machines, then loving your children is irrational. It has no basis within Brooks's worldview. It sticks out of his box. How does he reconcile such a heart-wrenching cognitive dissonance? He doesn't. Brooks ends by saying, "I maintain two sets of inconsistent beliefs." He has given up on any attempt to reconcile his theory with his experience. He has abandoned all hope for a unified, logically consistent worldview. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/04/when_evolutiona095451.html
You see Sir Giles, your great love for your daughter simply cannot be grounded within the reductive materialism of your Darwinian atheism,
What caused Jennifer Fulwiler to question her atheism to begin with? It was the birth of her first child. She says that when she looked at her child, the only way her atheist mind could explain the love that she had for him was to assume it was the result of nothing more than chemical reactions in her brain. However, in the following video, she says: "And I looked down at him, and I realized that’s not true." - Jennifer Fulwiler: Scientific Atheism to Christ - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbUvlOcXNA
And indeed Atheism can not be true. Specifically, if it is impossible for you to live your life consistently as if your atheistic worldview is actually true, (and, say, treat your children like the meat robots instead of loving them unconditionally), then your worldview cannot possibly reflect reality as it really is, but your worldview must instead be based on a delusion.
Existential Argument against Atheism - November 1, 2013 by Jason Petersen 1. If a worldview is true then you should be able to live consistently with that worldview. 2. Atheists are unable to live consistently with their worldview. 3. If you can’t live consistently with an atheist worldview then the worldview does not reflect reality. 4. If a worldview does not reflect reality then that worldview is a delusion. 5. If atheism is a delusion then atheism cannot be true. Conclusion: Atheism is false. - per answers for hope
Of related note, Atheists who do not believe in 'souls', and/or in dualism, are shown, an average, to be more psychopathic towards other people than Theists who do believe in 'souls'
A scientific case for conceptual dualism: The problem of consciousness and the opposing domains hypothesis. - Anthony I. Jack - 2013 Excerpt page 18:  we predicted that psychopaths would not be able to perceive the problem of consciousness.,, In a series of five experiments (Jack, in preparation), we found a highly replicable and robust negative correlation (r~-0.34) between belief in dualism and the primary psychopathic trait of callous affect7. Page 24: Clearly these findings fit well with the hypothesis (Robbins and Jack, 2006) that psychopaths can’t see the problem of consciousness8. Taking these finding together with other work on dehumanization and the anti-social effects of denying the soul and free will, they present a powerful picture. When we see persons, that is, when we see others as fellow humans, then our percept is of something essentially non-physical nature. This feature of our psychology appears to be relevant to a number of other philosophical issues, including the tension between utilitarian principles and deontological concerns about harming persons (Jack et al., accepted), the question of whether God exists (Jack et al., under review-b), and the problem of free will9. http://tonyjack.org/files/2013%20Jack%20A%20scientific%20case%20for%20conceptual%20dualism%20%281%29.pdf
Verse:
1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
bornagain77
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
02:33 PM
2
02
33
PM
PDT
Sir Giles Given that we were just informed that our daughter is being rushed to the hospital because ....
I wouldn't trust anything what atheists say. They are completely immoral persons. Conversations with atheists are a waste of time , better use this precious time of our life to talk with God or people who need us.Lieutenant Commander Data
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
12:07 PM
12
12
07
PM
PDT
Seversky at 142, More nonsense. You just want death on demand, right? Surgery is being performed on babies in the womb. But people like yourself are still trying to convince people it's not a human being? https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2019/06/19/cleveland-clinic-performs-its-first-in-utero-fetal-surgery/relatd
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
09:06 AM
9
09
06
AM
PDT
Seversky at 140, Depends on the circumstances? Really? Look. Either the pregnant woman intends to kill the baby or not. Those are the circumstances. An old person in a lot of pain has options. You don't even think of that. Your confrontational approach is not helpful. I believe in redemptive suffering. That our lives have purpose and meaning until natural death. Don't present old people or people in a lot of pain as having no options. Not here. https://www.ncbcenter.org/store/catholic-guide-to-palliative-care-and-hospiceenglishpdf-download The "we/you don't know" defense? That's crap and you know it. Yes, abortion, except to save the life of the mother, should be banned. "moral choices" What the hell are you talking about? What is your morality based on? You just want to see abortion and more abortion as far as I can tell. The small number of situations where the mother's life is at risk allows for convenience abortions? Is that your "logic"? "Outrageous. The mother absolutely does have rights, more so than the child." The child is dead weight. It is not human. It can be killed on demand. Those appear to be the only "rights" you're talking about. For example, the governor of Michigan has stated she will "Fight like hell." For what? Rights? And what right is that? To kill the baby? Let's be honest. "We need to know the circumstances of each case to make an informed decision." Who needs to know Seversky? You? Here are the facts Seversky: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide "Since I don’t believe your God is real then the possibility of standing before Him to be judged is not exactly a threat. But if that did happen then, assuming He let me get a word out, I would have to say that He should be held accountable for vastly more sin and suffering than I have ever caused." You are back to judging God. Even though you don't think He's real? Make up your mind Seversky. For your sake. There will be a final judgment. I don't know anything about you but God knows all. And when I say anything, I mean all the things you've actually done -- aside from posting here. You want Abortion on demand without apology, right? Don't promote death/killing. Just stop it.relatd
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
08:51 AM
8
08
51
AM
PDT
AaronS1978: but why were you braving the lines of harassing protesters at a abortion clinic when every hospital will perform the necessary abortion and put your daughter under medical watch if there were such complications?
It wasn’t a medical emergency until this morning. The fetus had a 1% chance of viability but continuing the pregnancy put our daughter at ever increasing risk. Before it was an emergency her choices were to have it induced and delivered in the hospital, or have an abortion in a clinic. In Alberta, non-emergency abortions are not conducted in the hospital.
In the chance that you are being forthright I apologize and hope that your daughter recovers completely
Thank you. I assure you that I am being honest. Our daughter very much wants to have children but has been unsuccessful. One of the reasons that inducing was an option is that this provides the opportunity to conduct genetic testing on the fetus and the placenta to see if they can find out why she keeps having miscarriages.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
08:34 AM
8
08
34
AM
PDT
Thanks KF.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
08:22 AM
8
08
22
AM
PDT
SG, I wish you well for your daughter. She is an individual, in a real situation that we hope resolves for the best. Another time, we need to deal with the horrific reality of ongoing holocaust and how it has been promoted. KFkairosfocus
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
07:56 AM
7
07
56
AM
PDT
@Sir Giles Definition of a fetus is unborn baby mammal in this case, your granddaughter/son is a baby human I hadn’t seen that you said that it was a medical emergency in the previous posts or it was any kind of medical complications, that I apologize for But that leads me to this question, as I just went through this with one of my wife’s friends, and it is always tragic, but why were you braving the lines of harassing protesters at a abortion clinic when every hospital will perform the necessary abortion and put your daughter under medical watch if there were such complications? Even in Texas. I’m just curious because I literally just went through this and we didn’t have to take her to an abortion clinic, they wouldn’t let her leave the hospital, so why was that mentioned before? BTW they saved the baby and the mom, 5 month preemie boy they’ve been trying to get pregnant for years and this was their first success with much drama. Also Why are you using your daughter’s situation to soapbox when most people, even here, generally don’t argue over medical emergencies. Most states make medical exceptions including “heartbeat”. So not much to be thankful for there since the odds are you are in one of those states regardless. Of course these things happen, and are tragic, especially if your daughter was trying to keep your granddaughter/son. So just curious what was the point? Are you vouching for the butchering of millions of babies every year for your daughter’s sake? Because the medical exception is a medical exception, it doesn’t have to be made legal for any form of birth control. So what was your point if your daughter had a medical exception. Most people acknowledge that and honestly I wouldn’t of engaged you if I had read that it was a medical exception in the first place (that’s my fault I missed that) but now I’m curious because your timing and your complaint seems slightly artificial. In the chance that you are being forthright I apologize and hope that your daughter recovers completelyAaronS1978
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
07:56 AM
7
07
56
AM
PDT
Thanks Alan. Much appreciated.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:31 AM
5
05
31
AM
PDT
@Sir Giles My very sincere wishes for the most successful outcome for your daughter.Alan Fox
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:29 AM
5
05
29
AM
PDT
KF: You know exactly what I responded to as slanderous, kindly drop that “forced . . .” gambit. …There is never a good reason to shed innocent blood, ..
Given that we were just informed that our daughter is being rushed to the hospital because of excessive bleeding, you can imagine how little your opinion matters to us. This pregnancy is posing a serious risk to our daughter’s life and it will be terminated. In some states, this would not be permitted if the baby still has a heart beat which, as of yesterday, it did. As previously mentioned, I am very happy that she does not live in one of these states. My daughters life is far more important than the life of a fetus that has a 1% probability of surviving.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:18 AM
5
05
18
AM
PDT
Sev, the great pain excuse to push euthanasia thence, onward -- the anticivilisational agenda is always destructively progressive, so lesson 1 is do not yield the first inch -- compulsory euthanasia is decades past sell by date. While the US has lagged in pain treatment, pain treatment once strong enough treatments are permitted has long been adequate for just about all cases. The truth is, respect for life is being steadily eroded and certain stalking horse talking points have been used to advance it. The real issue is growing disregard for life and it cannot be justified so handy stalking horses are used. Let us recognise the stalking horses for what they are, signs of a dangerous game in progress. KFkairosfocus
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:17 AM
5
05
17
AM
PDT
SG, 4th gen civil war in a low kinetic stage is an observation. It is currently being ramped up. But then, over forty years later most people in Jamaica are not aware that that nation had a similar civil war. It is only now seeping out academically. You know exactly what I responded to as slanderous, kindly drop that "forced . . ." gambit. The real issue is holocaust, globally easily shown 800+ million and proceeding at a million per week, in the US 63 million. There is never a good reason to shed innocent blood, and law is antecedent to state and court decrees under colour of law, core law is built into our morally governed nature. The warping, blinding, benumbing, destructive effect of that much guilt of blood has to be reckoned with. KFkairosfocus
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
05:03 AM
5
05
03
AM
PDT
KF: SG, slanderous distortion. Part of a pattern feeding currently low kinetic, high agit prop and lawfare civil war.
Nice hyperbolic rhetoric. But completely off topic. Where, exactly, am I being slanderous? Be specific. Otherwise I will simply conclude that you are just beating a tangential drum.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
04:41 AM
4
04
41
AM
PDT
PS, try this one for size, compare Waco, Ruby Ridge and the Bundy Ranch siege then ask what is going on. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark. Including, the worst holocaust in history, advanced under false colours of rights and freedom or choice. There is no right to shed innocent blood. Medical issues of one life vs another or the like have little to do with what has cost 800+ million lives of our living posterity in the womb, mounting at another million per year. The degree of benumbing, warping and blinding to reach this has to be unprecedented.kairosfocus
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
04:07 AM
4
04
07
AM
PDT
SG, slanderous distortion. Part of a pattern feeding currently low kinetic, high agit prop and lawfare civil war. (Ask yourself why say this case is not gathering 24/7 major saturation coverage, contrast say the Abu Ghraib scandal and add up: 2 + 2 = ? [If you object, there are other cases.]) KFkairosfocus
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
03:23 AM
3
03
23
AM
PDT
Aaron1978: She might not be in that situation if you were a better parent.
Given that her repeated miscarriages and current unviable fetus causing a serious health risk to her appear to be genetically based, you may be correct. I am just thankful that she does not live in a state that would force her to continue with the pregnancy at a serious risk to her life.Sir Giles
September 28, 2022
September
09
Sep
28
28
2022
03:08 AM
3
03
08
AM
PDT
1 2 3 4 5 8

Leave a Reply