At Unbelievable: James Tour vs. Lee Cronin on origin of life

_{Denyse O'Leary

March 1, 2020

Intelligent Design, Origin Of Life}

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Nanotechnology Prof James (Jim) Tour & Glasgow biology Lee Cronin debate contemporary Origins of Life research and whether Lee’s lab is on the way to discovering it.

Prof James (Jim) Tour: “Tour has over 700 research publications and over 130 patent families, with an h-index = 143 and i10 index = 644 with total citations of ~100,000 (Google Scholar). Based on the impact of his published work, in 2019 Tour was ranked in the top 0.004% of the 7 million scientists who have published at least 5 papers in their careers. ”

Lee Cronin:“A professor of chemistry, nanoscience and chemical complexity, Lee Cronin and his research group investigate how chemistry can revolutionize modern technology and even create life.”

Serious radio.

See also: The Science Fictions series at your fingertips – origin of life What we do and don’t know about the origin of life.

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Truthfreedom, 26: An earlier, simpler replicator that was created via random processes. So, according to this: – order (‘cells’) arise from ‘random’ processes. Not purely random processes though. Environmental pressures would allow some to survive and reproduce and some not.JVL_{March 2, 2020
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Martin_r, 28: Cronin is a very convincing story-teller :)))))))))) i can imagine, that lots of simple uneducated people can even buy Cronin’s just-so-stories … I have no problem letting him have a go. If he fails, so be it. But there's nothing wrong with trying.JVL_{March 2, 2020
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I remember Dr Cronin thinking he was getting closer to 'making life' but he's not there yet. He was enthusiastic about a new line of inquiry. I know nothing about 'metal life'. I must admit I didn't pick up on some kind of prize so I can't comment on that. I did find the conversation trying at times as I thought both sides spent too much time "correcting" the other side instead of talking about the science. It was no where near my favourite Unbelievable episode.JVL_{March 2, 2020
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JVL @24 blah blah blah .... you should team up with motormouth Cronin ... Cronin is a very convincing story-teller :)))))))))) i can imagine, that lots of simple uneducated people can even buy Cronin's just-so-stories ...martin_r_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Do you agree with Dr Tour’s arguments presented in the Unbelievable debate? Any objection?jawa_{March 2, 2020
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@JVL
I don’t think anyone believes that a purely random process created the first cell. I understand the notion is that the cell descended from an earlier, simpler basic replicator via descent with modification.
An earlier, simpler replicator that was created via random processes. So, according to this: - order ('cells') arise from 'random' processes.Truthfreedom_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Do you agree with AaronS1978 @8 and Belfast @9? Any objection to their comments on the Unbelievable debate?jawa_{March 2, 2020
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I don't believe any scientists are trying to create a synthetic cell from its constituent parts. I think there is work going on seeing how simpler structures may have come about. I don't think anyone believes that a purely random process created the first cell. I understand the notion is that the cell descended from an earlier, simpler basic replicator via descent with modification. I do not think that any scientist working on possible scenarios for the origin of life is a clown. I believe they are sincere. It doesn't mean they will succeed but they are not clowns. Most of the rest of Martin_r's statements are just venting. I don't feel the need to offer an opinion on someone's emotional statements.JVL_{March 2, 2020
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Jawa, 21: Here’s the deal: Yes, I remember. So what now, you want me to go through Martin_r's statements and tell you exactly what I disagree with? I'll have a think about that since you seem to be just messing about. If you want to have a discussion then why not ask me a question directly?JVL_{March 2, 2020
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JVL @15: “How many more questions do you want me to answer before you respect your side of the deal?” Read the text of the deal linked @21.jawa_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Here’s the deal: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/huge-discordance-between-gene-trees-in-a-new-phylogenetic-study/#comment-693835jawa_{March 2, 2020
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JVL @15: “Why link to a comment in another thread?” Why not?jawa_{March 2, 2020
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Jawa, 16: I haven’t counted them yet. I’ll let you know when I will count them. ???? I won't hold my breath. 17: What specifically you don’t agree with in the comments @10-12 by Martin_r? I don't have time to go through all his comments line-by-line. I might do so later but I don't see the point. Are you just trying to start a discussion and no one else wants to participate? 18: Were you the first to comment in this discussion about the Unbelievable debate? Yes. I had mentioned the Unbelievable programme in another thread and thought I'd talk it up again.JVL_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Were you the first to comment in this discussion about the Unbelievable debate?jawa_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, What specifically you don’t agree with in the comments @10-12 by Martin_r?jawa_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, I haven’t counted them yet. I’ll let you know when I will count them. :)jawa_{March 2, 2020
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Jawa, 13: Your first comment in this thread seems very related to this: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/huge-discordance-between-gene-trees-in-a-new-phylogenetic-study/#comment-693895 Why link to a comment in another thread? 14: Do you fully agree with Martin_r @10-12? BTW, bias disclosure: I like Martin_r’s comments and his interesting blog. ???? No, I do not fully agree with Martin_r. How many more questions do you want me to answer before you respect your side of the deal?JVL_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Do you fully agree with Martin_r @10-12? BTW, bias disclosure: I like Martin_r’s comments and his interesting blog. :)jawa_{March 2, 2020
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JVL, Your first comment in this thread seems very related to this: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/huge-discordance-between-gene-trees-in-a-new-phylogenetic-study/#comment-693895jawa_{March 2, 2020
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let me sum up: in this debate, an engineer is talking to a biologist - natural science graduates WHO NEVER MADE ANYTHING....martin_r_{March 1, 2020
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in regards to the TOUR vs CROONIN debate, it is always the same ... some clown shows up claiming he knows how the life MIGHT emerged, but then, you will very soon find out, it is just another story-telling clown ... for 150 years, since the OOL research began, it is always the same... desperate atheists and other clowns trying to prove that designed life SOMEHOW self-designed by random :))))))))))))))))))))))))) ... and all what they can is story telling and attacking people who can recognize what is undeniable...martin_r_{March 1, 2020
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again... here is a very clear message for all atheists - especially for PavelU (PavelU, you are so desperate, posting here the same non-sense again and again) so, here it is AGAIN: EVEN IF SCIENTISTS WOULD HAVE ALL THE COMPONENTS/PARTS OF CELL IN SECURELY STORED IN LAB-FREEZERS, THEY WOULD NOT KNOW WHERE TO START IN ORDER TO CREATE THE SIMPLEST SIMPLEST SIMPLEST CELL. SO TO BELIEVE, THAT SOME RANDOM, UNGUIDED NATURAL PROCESS ASSEMBLED THE CELL IT IS LIKE TO BELIEVE IN MIRACLES.... WHEN YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT, PAVELU ???? STOP POSTING THIS OOL NONSENSE OVER AND OVER....martin_r_{March 1, 2020
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The prize is for a communications system to evolve naturally. There must be a coder sender, a code, and a translator receiver. The message must have five pieces of information. Professor Cronin has no chance, going by this interview. He was badly stung by his own words approving of the chemical soup, and he mischaracterised what Tour said, complaining that Tour was setting the debate by constructing narratives. At the half way mark his idea had not even been reached there was so much correcting needed. It was interesting but all it did was throw a great deal of darkness on the subject.Belfast_{March 1, 2020
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Just kind of watch this, is it just me or did Lee Cronin claimed that he was going to make life and then turned around and said well if things behave like life It’s life, Most of it seem like he was blaming James tour for creating a narrative But I’m not sure if I really respect lee Cronin Ever since 2011 when he claimed to create metal life that was evolving and self replicatingAaronS1978_{March 1, 2020
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JT, Switzerland has banned all events that have more than 1000 attendees.Ed George_{March 1, 2020
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Ed George, the big physics meeting in Denver was just cancelled. The port of LA people just said they expect 25% fewer containers in March. Every stock index I checked from the Dax to the Nikkei is down 11-16%. This will probably cause multinational recession. Ugh.Jim Thibodeau_{March 1, 2020
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This recent paper explains OOL too: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/9/3/73/htm It seems like Dr Cronin is not alone in the race for the Evo2.0 $10M prize.PavelU_{March 1, 2020
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OOL explained here: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/9/2/49/htmPavelU_{March 1, 2020
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JT, I was supposed to be travelling to Beijing for work next week but it was obviously cancelled. My next work trip is to Vietnam in May. Fingers crossed.Ed George_{March 1, 2020
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OT: The economic impact this coronavirus thing is having is going to be bad. I went to to the ATT store yesterday thinking about upgrading and they were out of Samsung S10s, Google pixel, pixel XL, and iPhone Pro Max. I asked them when they were going to be getting more in, and they said all the stores are out right now.Jim Thibodeau_{March 1, 2020
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