Here you go: Irreducible complexity for free by a (carefully programmed) accident: stellaralchemy.com/ice.
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bfast,
Color me lazy (I did search a little), but where is Behe's new paper?
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Here it is
http://www.proteinscience.org/cgi/reprint/13/10/2651?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&author1=behe&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT
Discussed here:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/sorry_darwinists_the_journal_s_1.html
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/10/response_to_barbara_forrests_k_8.htmlPatrick
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WinstonEwert, "Allright, who can expound on the method used to achieve "IC"?"
I haven't analyzed the source code of this particular project terribly closely. However, if two "mutations" are required to achieve a given result, then the pair of mutations would technically, barely, be considered "IC". This would be achieved as follows: a "mutation" happens that "at least does no harm" so it is permitted to continue -- then a second mutation happens that completes the "IC" scenerio.
Now, if the number of possible "mutations" is extremely limited (5^100), this scenerio can happen fairly regularly. If the number of possible "mutations" is huge, the chance of getting a matched pair becomes really low. Further, Behe's recently published paper shows that it is possible, in bacteria (short lifespan, smaller genome) to get 2 component IC once in a blue moon. Getting 3 component IC is much harder, and 4 gets into the zone of rediculous. The number of "matching" mutations that would be required to assemble a bacterial flagellum from known components is, like, 20. Such is the nature of "a little bit IC" (2 component) verses "very IC", flagellum.bFast
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Winston:
Exactly the point.. there's a method.
meth·od –noun
1. a procedure, technique, or way of doing something, esp. in accordance with a definite plan: There are three possible methods of repairing this motor.
-Random House Unabridged Dictionary, copyright Random House, Inc. 2006.JGuy
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Allright, who can expound the method used to achieve "IC"?WinstonEwert
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Personally, I've been having more of an educational experience with the Panda-Monium file on UD.
https://uncommondescent.com/darwinalia/panda-monium.swf
Still trying to bet level seven.JGuy
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Also, (somebody correct me if I'm wrong)
Isn't this thing not even SC? From my envelope, it is a matrix of 10 by 10 squares, each with one of five possible values (four letters or a blank space). This gives us a complexity per solution of:
5^100
...which is not 10^150...Atom
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I don't know, in 936 generations, I got rapidly deteriorating fitness, and by that generation every last offsping had a fitness score of 0.
Yet they still reproduced like normal and went on with business as usual.Atom
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This (from the explanation) says it all:
"...game I created just for this purpose"dacook