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From David Klinghoffer at Evolution News & Views:

You never know who’s going to turn up at Q&A with Jonathan Wells and John West. The Discovery Institute biologist and political scientist, respectively, answered questions from the audience following a performance of the play Disinherit the Wind in Hollywood, California – which was a pretty interesting event in itself.

But then there stands up a biologist from a local university, unidentified, who proceeds to blow everyone away with an account of his experience as a younger man in a formerly Communist country. He explains that under the totalitarian culture of his youth, “Communism was literally welded to Darwinism.”

We recorded his remarks and they form a new episode of ID the Future. Listen to it here. More.

<em>Teapot</em> Cobalt Blue Only nine minutes. Do it on your break. The guy has guts to even talk about this in the age of the SJW (cf Bret Weinstein.)

Also:

One morning in 1938, shortly before leaving the Communist Party, while feeding his young daughter, Chambers concluded that the shape of her ear could not be explained by Marxist materialism. Something this beautiful and unique, Chambers observed, implied design, which implied the existence of God. Understanding the divine gift of his daughter Ellen, also strangely related to the horrific irruption within Chambers of the “screams” from Communism’s suffering victims. He writes “[O]ne day the Communist really hears those screams. [The screams] … do not merely reach his mind. They pierce beyond. They pierce to his soul.” A soul in agony, in this case, a person under persecution by Communist authorities, has attempted to communicate with another soul through memory and across time. The crucial significance of both episodes rests in Chambers embracing the presence of his soul, thus denying the false materialism of Communism and the darkness it had covered him in. As Chambers observed, “A Communist breaks because he must choose at last between irreconcilable opposites—God or Man, Soul or Mind, Freedom or Communism.”

See also: Selective horrid doubt

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EricMH, let's say your right, (I'm not, but to throw you a bone, let's just imagine the atheist regimes were far worse than the religious ones.) Don't you see where that tortured argument leaves religon? Let's use Christiaity. It leaves you in a kind of schoolyard taunt, along these lines, "yeah, alright Christians killed and tortured millions, but the atheists were way more worse." Do you really want to say that? We know Christianity had a bloody past, but atheism's worse? Essentially, 'we're not good, but better than you'??rvb8
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@rvb8, I'd like to see your evidence of how anything in the history of Christian atrocities matched the mass murder at the hand of atheists.EricMH
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Another clarification for the anonymous readers who unfortunately might have squandered precious time reading the nonsense posted @7: Read the comments @10-12.Dionisio
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Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier Ministries: The doubling of a name was an address of intimacy (Gen. 22:11; 1 Sam. 3:10; 2 Sam. 18:33; Luke 22:31). It is not claims or feelings of intimacy with Jesus that matter, nor is it simply good works, even miraculous ones; only doing the will of the Father matters. Genuine intimacy with the Father means knowing God and being known by God (1 Cor. 8:2, 3).Dionisio
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The Golden Rule Matthew 7:12-14 (ESV)
So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier Ministries: Often called the “Golden Rule,” this principle was stated by a number of ancient thinkers as, “Do not do to others what you do not want done to you.” Jesus made it a positive obligation. Here it appears after the discussion of God’s goodness and His willingness to give. Presenting a rosy picture of the Christian life and minimizing that it is filled with trouble does not follow the lead of our Lord (Acts 14:22). It may be that the “false prophets” of v. 15 are especially those who deny that the way is narrow and hard.Dionisio
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"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15-16 (ESV) "The message of false prophets may be attractive and even seem orthodox. The only way to know for sure is to allow time to see “their fruits” (vv. 16–20). Some of the false prophets’ fruits are mentioned in the New Testament: controversies (1 Tim. 1:3), divisions (1 Tim. 6:3, 4), destruction of faith (2 Tim. 2:18), and self-destruction by heresy (2 Pet. 2:1)." Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier MinistriesDionisio
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ET @8: Timely clarification for the anonymous readers who unfortunately might have squandered precious time reading the nonsense posted @7. Thanks.Dionisio
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"The differences between Biblical creationism and the IDM should become clear. As an unashamedly Christian/creationist organization, ICR is concerned with the reputation of our God and desires to point all men back to Him. We are not in this work merely to do good science, although this is of great importance to us. We care that students and society are brainwashed away from a relationship with their Creator/Savior. While all creationists necessarily believe in intelligent design, not all ID proponents believe in God. ID is strictly a non-Christian movement, and while ICR values and supports their work, we cannot join them."- John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research
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EricMH, Christian? Why do you single out that faith? Is it because, not so secretly, ID is a front for Christian ideas? In answer to your question, "Which oppressive Christian society created the gulags...? ; When Christianity had power, (from about 340AD to around 1700AD, and the rise of reason), Christianity had inordinate power. Christianity used that almost limitless power to burn, torture, threaten, rape, imprison, mark, ridicule, execute, and basically terrorise entire populations; or don't you know any history? The gulags were an expression of the, 'cult of the personality', Hitler, Mao, and Stalin all used this; a State of religious fervour if you will. I'm sorry EricMH, when it comes to manipulation and pure evil, religion, and your Christianity, are past masters. You could blame all this on Darwin of course, but then I woud say, 'What caused this disgusting inhuman behaviour before Darwin?' The answer of course is, blind faith, in an All Loving God.rvb8
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Which oppressive Christian society created the gulags, death camps, gas chambers, etc.?EricMH
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@3 correction:
Yes, certainly Darwinian evolution theory validated that anthem and its underlying atheist ideology that promoted, encouraged and called for violent class struggle in order to form an idyllic classless society, which in reality never existed and the communist parties failed to build for obvious reasons*, as it was ironically demonstrated in August 1980 in Gdansk, Poland, when the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic Polish working class supported by the rest of the society peacefully rebelled against the ruling atheist communist party and threw them deep into the trash bin of history.
(*) prophet Jeremiah spoke about this long ago.Dionisio
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@3 correction:
Yes, obviously Darwinian evolution theory validated that anthem and its underlying atheist ideology that promoted, encouraged and called for violent class struggle in order to form an idyllic classless society, which in reality didn’t exist, as it was ironically demonstrated in August 1980 in Gdansk, Poland, when the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic working class peacefully rebelled against the ruling atheist communist party and threw them into the trash bin of history.
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Here is part of the lyrics of the common anthem shared by the atheist communist parties that were trying to build a communist socioeconomic system, though never succeeded:
Stand up, damned of the Earth Stand up, prisoners of starvation Reason thunders in its volcano This is the eruption of the end. Of the past let us make a clean slate Enslaved masses, stand up, stand up. The world is about to change its foundation We are nothing, let us be all. This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race. There are no supreme saviours Neither God, [...]
Yes, obviously Darwinian evolution theory validated that anthem and its underlying atheist ideology that promoted, encouraged and called for violent class struggle in order to form an idyllic classless society, which in reality didn't exist, as it was ironically demonstrated in August 1980 in Gdansk, Poland, when the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic working class rebelled against the ruling atheist communist party and threw them into the trash bin of history.Dionisio
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We can find stories of oppression under all sorts of political and religious regimes. For example, there are the Native American children in the US and Canada who were forcibly sent to Christian-run boarding schools where they were forced to wear the white man's clothing and forbidden to speak their own languages or practice their own religious and cultural traditions. All done with the best of intentions, no doubt, but still oppression and practiced against those least able to resist it.Seversky
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'You never know whos going to turn up at Q&A with Jonathan Wells and John West.' Yes you do! Unification Church supporters, Christian apologists, ID people, and all those who believe in things unfelt, unknown, 'special', intangible, unmeasurable, and just plain, super-natural.rvb8
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