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BioLogos claims not to be Darwinist after all … and it’s not April 1 either.

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Well, at least one of the two title statements is true.

In “Southern Baptist Voices: An Ongoing Series” (February 27, 2012), BioLogos, founded by NIH head Francis Collins, is publishing an article by Bill Dembski and Richard Land:“Is Darwinism Theologically Neutral,” adding as an editorial comment:

BioLogos does not subscribe to Darwinism, but Dr. Dembski has chosen this title and we will respond to it.

What? After all the spouting at the BioLogos site about how Christians must change their theology to accommodate Darwin?

Or that a theory of evolution explicitly promoted by atheists to rule out design is in some way compatible with Christianity, a faith whose creed begins, “I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and Earth, … ”?

Darwinism: natural selection, acting on random mutation, produces the complex life forms we see around us, so that an amoeba of sorts gradually transforms itself over many generations into a man.

Let me put it like this: If someone informs me that the Catholic Church must change its theology to accommodate Marxism – and then denies he is a Marxist – why should I not send him packing? Who but a Marxist or his useful idiot would demand such a thing?

Or is BioLogos trying to back away from its Darwin-happy roots now? Fair enough, we all make mistakes and some of us admit them. But that raises the question:

What, exactly, is their point? Does BioLogos exist simply to be an airborne plop on the growing ID community?

Folks, the ID community is only one of an increasing number of voices insisting – among other things – on accountability from Christians who flirt with the creation story and all the other stories of materialist atheism and accept the latest materialist nonsense as evidence.

Currently, the atheist creation story is Darwinism, but – to give BioLogos its due – the atheist elite might well come up with a more believable packet in a few years. Given the dismal evidence for Darwinism coming back from the field, it’s no secret that many evolutionary biologists would be glad to exchange it for some other -ism as long as these principles stay intact: No God and no free will.

That won’t happen for a few years though. Darwinism is now one monster of a garbage scow, and it takes a long time to turn a big ship around.

But then won’t BioLogos be right in there – as I suspect – promoting the atheists’ next big thing? Is that what this is about? Repositioning? Stay tuned.

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Note: As usual, the atheists are way ahead of the Christian Darwinists (or whatever they are). Atheist philosopher Jerry Fodor, commenting on this “we are not Darwinists” claim as made by materialist atheists, says,

They told us, ‘no one is that kind of Darwinian any more.’

He adds,

We’d be happy if that were so, but there is good reason to doubt that it is.

(sound of rube whistling)

PS: Dr William Dembski, Research Professor of Philosophy and Richard Land, Director for Cultural Engagement, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Comments
BA - a bit of logic, please! Neither science being possible because of God nor scientific evidence in support of God mean that that's what Romans 1 is teaching. Science as such didn't exist, nor those scientific findings, when Paul wrote it - and it was as valid then as now.Jon Garvey
February 29, 2012
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as to:
Romans might well be teaching that God’s work is obvious except to those who blind themselves, not that it’s evident scientifically.
I disagree for one reason because science is not even possible without God as a basis:
Why should the human mind be able to comprehend reality so deeply? - referenced article https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qGvbg_212biTtvMschSGZ_9kYSqhooRN4OUW_Pw-w0E/edit Epistemology – Why Should The Human Mind Even Be Able To Comprehend Reality? – Stephen Meyer - video – (Notes in description) http://vimeo.com/32145998 Presuppositional Apologetics - easy to use interactive website http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php Random Chaos vs. Uniformity Of Nature - Presuppositional Apologetics - video http://www.metacafe.com/w/6853139
and the second reason I disagree is that the scientific evidence we now have in hand overwhelming reveals God's handiwork;
Predictions of Materialism compared to Predictions of Theism within the scientific method: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dc8z67wz_5fwz42dg9
Verse and Music:
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 4-Him - Can't Get Past The Evidence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiRQxEOWdDw
bornagain77
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I certainly agree that even 'random events' are under God's control, but I hold that the entropic randomness Darwinists have appealed to as their ultimate source of creative variation is futile for Darwinists to do for God has purposely subjected this source of randomness they appeal to, to try to deny God created life, to 'frustration'! notes:
Romans 8:18-21 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. Are You Looking for the Simplest and Clearest Argument for Intelligent Design? - Granville Sewell - video http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/02/looking_for_the056711.html Psalm 102:25-27 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will have no end. Thermodynamic Argument Against Evolution - Thomas Kindell - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4168488 Can Anything Happen In A Open System - Granville Sewell PhD. Math - video http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/sewell/articles/secondlaw.htm The common sense law of physics - Granville Sewell - July 2010 https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-common-sense-law-of-physics/
bornagain77
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BA, I disagree in two counts. Firstly, trying to get the leadership at Biologos to admit that "random" events are under God's control is like trying to get blood out of a stone. And yet Scripture clearly teaches that they are (eg lots, falling sparrow, flying axe-heads, random arrows). Secondly, although I see no reason to say that God's handiwork might not be evidentially present (though never proveable - even Jesus's miracles were denied to be God's workby his enemies) I don't think Romans 1 necessarily implies that. Alvin Plantinga makes a good case for belief in God being justified without scientific evidence, in the same manner as belief in the objects of ones senses or of other minds is warranted without evidence. Romans might well be teaching that God's work is obvious except to those who blind themselves, not that it's evident scientifically.Jon Garvey
February 29, 2012
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I think that BioLogos tries, very unwisely, to hide behind a ill defined concept of 'randomness', saying that God can direct what appears by all rights to be a completely undirected and 'random' processes to us. The problem with this view of a 'hidden God' who is undetectable in his actions in this universe from randomness (contra Romans 1:20), is that we now have a very good idea of what randomness actually is in this universe and even know that random has a deep connection to the word "entropy". A word which generally means "chaos", "disorder", or "uncertainty".
Thermodynamics – 3.1 Entropy Excerpt: Entropy – A measure of the amount of randomness or disorder in a system. http://www.saskschools.ca/curr_content/chem30_05/1_energy/energy3_1.htm
As well, Computer programs with the best random number generators, usually always derive the 'randomness' in their program from a physical source which exhibits 'maximal entropic decay';
Seeding random number generators Excerpt: For this, we ideally want to pick a number (or some sequence of bits) that is "truly unpredictable". Or put another way, we want to find some source of entropy (or "true unpredictability") available to the program. http://javamex.com/tutorials/random_numbers/seeding.shtml
And we now have a very good idea of what the maximum source of entropy-randomness is in the universe.
Entropy of the Universe – Hugh Ross – May 2010 Excerpt: Egan and Lineweaver found that supermassive black holes are the largest contributor to the observable universe’s entropy. They showed that these supermassive black holes contribute about 30 times more entropy than what the previous research teams estimated. http://www.reasons.org/entropy-universe “But why was the big bang so precisely organized, whereas the big crunch (or the singularities in black holes) would be expected to be totally chaotic? It would appear that this question can be phrased in terms of the behaviour of the WEYL part of the space-time curvature at space-time singularities. What we appear to find is that there is a constraint WEYL = 0 (or something very like this) at initial space-time singularities-but not at final singularities-and this seems to be what confines the Creator’s choice to this very tiny region of phase space.” Roger Penrose - How Special Was The Big Bang?
Further notes:
Blackholes - The neo-Darwinian ‘god of entropic randomness’ which can create all things (at least according to them) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fxhJEGNeEQ_sn4ngQWmeBt1YuyOs8AQcUrzBRo7wISw/edit Is Randomness really the rational alternative to the 'First Mover' of Theists? Excerpt: The atheistic-materialistic insistence that 'randomness' is the rational 'designer-substitute' in science is, in itself, in reality, ultimately, the 'anti-science' position that destroys science;. i.e. Insisting on randomness as the 'first mover', the 'first cause', for reality within science, as atheists insist that we do, instead of appealing to God as first mover', ends up, at the end of the day, destroying the very presuppositions in science that enabled humans to practice science rationally in the first place!!!: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pSSfbR2QFZ5JAJTOsrEXQDqkJ_6zPTvYNGwcI4YDvRY/edit
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