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I welcome Matspirit to these pages, because he gives us a never ending supply of materialist error to discuss.  In his latest he addresses the origin of life debate.  He says that all materialists have to do is make wildly implausible evidence-free assertions about OOL, and unless ID proponents can affirmatively disprove those wildly implausible evidence-free assertions, the materialists win the debate.  Gpuccio shoots this lunacy down: Matspirit:

Prove that the DNA/RNA system we see today is the only one that ever existed. Prove that a simpler system didn’t exist long before and evolve the start of our present system.

Gpuccio

No. The system we see today is a fact, because we can observe it. It is the only system we can observe which can do what it does. If you try to explain its origin by stating that simpler systems existed in the past, it’s your burden to support that hypothesis by reasonable facts and inferences. We have no reason to “prove” that your unsubstantiated assumptions are wrong. They are unsubstantiated, and that’s enough to dismiss them, unless and until you substantiate them.   Again, you must prove, or at least reasonably support (nothing is ever proved in empirical sciences) your hypothesis. This is basic epistemology. How can you discuss science, if you betray the basics of scientific thought with each new statement of yours?

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mk Isn't it also true then that ID has the burden of proof to show that an Intelligent Designer is capable of making a flagellum?Seqenenre
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the burden of proof is in the side that claim that a self replicating motor (flagellum) can evolve without a designer.mk
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Materialism is not science. It is a chronic parasite on science, like fleas on a dog. Similar level of usefulness too.News
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For illusions, unfettered imagination constitutes undeniable evidence. How could it be otherwise?
“We have so much confidence in our materialist assumptions (which are assumptions, not facts) that something like free will is denied in principle. Maybe it doesn’t exist, but I don’t really know that. Either way, it doesn’t matter because if free will and consciousness are just an illusion, they are the most seamless illusions ever created. Film maker James Cameron wishes he had special effects that good.” Matthew D. Lieberman – neuroscientist – materialist – UCLA professor The Confidence of Jerry Coyne - Ross Douthat - January 6, 2014 Excerpt: But then halfway through this peroration, we have as an aside the confession (by Coyne) that yes, okay, it’s quite possible given materialist premises that “our sense of self is a neuronal illusion.” At which point the entire edifice suddenly looks terribly wobbly — because who, exactly, is doing all of this forging and shaping and purpose-creating if Jerry Coyne, as I understand him (and I assume he understands himself) quite possibly does not actually exist at all? The theme of his argument is the crucial importance of human agency under eliminative materialism, but if under materialist premises the actual agent is quite possibly a fiction, then who exactly is this I who “reads” and “learns” and “teaches,” and why in the universe’s name should my illusory self believe Coyne’s bold proclamation that his illusory self’s purposes are somehow “real” and worthy of devotion and pursuit? (Let alone that they’re morally significant: But more on that below.) Prometheus cannot be at once unbound and unreal; the human will cannot be simultaneously triumphant and imaginary. http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/the-confidence-of-jerry-coyne/?_r=0 Darwinian evolution, and atheism/naturalism in general, are built entirely upon a framework of illusions and fantasy – June 2016 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q94y-QgZZGF0Q7HdcE-qdFcVGErhWxsVKP7GOmpKD6o/edit
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Even the happy atheist PZ Myers is on our side on this one....Andre
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