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File:A small cup of coffee.JPG From Simon Oxenham at BigThink:

How to Use the Feynman Technique to Identify Pseudoscience

Last week a new study made headlines worldwide by bluntly demonstrating the human capacity to be misled by “pseudo-profound bullshit” from the likes of Deepak Chopra, infamous for making profound sounding yet entirely meaningless statements by abusing scientific language.

The researchers correlate believing pseudo-profundities will all kinds of things Clever People Aren’t Supposed to Like, and one suspects the paper wouldn’t survive replication. So why is this a job for Feynman?

Richard Feynman (1918-1988)

This is all well and good, but how are we supposed to know that we are being misled when we read a quote about quantum theory from someone like Chopra, if we don’t know the first thing about quantum mechanics?

Actually, one can often detect BS without knowing much about the topic at hand, because it often sounds deep but doesn’t reflect common sense. Anyway, from Feynman,

I finally figured out a way to test whether you have taught an idea or you have only taught a definition. Test it this way: You say, ‘Without using the new word which you have just learned, try to rephrase what you have just learned in your own language. Without using the word “energy,” tell me what you know now about the dog’s motion.’ You cannot. So you learned nothing about science. That may be all right. You may not want to learn something about science right away. You have to learn definitions. But for the very first lesson, is that not possibly destructive? More.

It won’t work because many people who read pop science literature do so for the same reason others listen to Deepak Chopra: They want to be reassured against their better judgement or the evidence.  Whether it’s that there are billions of habitable planets out there or that chimpanzees are entering the Stone Age, or that everything is a cosmic accident, or whatever the current schtick is.

And Feynman won’t help them, nor will a bucket of ice water. And it’s not fair to drag ol’ Feynman into it just because he said some true things like,

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

Give the guy a break.

That said, Feynman (1918–1988) may have, through no fault of his (long-deceased) own, played a role in getting a science journalist dumped recently on suspicious grounds. See “Scientific American may be owned by Nature, but it is run by Twitter

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Hat tip: Stephanie West Allen at Brains on Purpose

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Zachriel's position re thermodynamics and ID is a rare case where I agree with him. Thermodynamics/Shannon information aspect does not yield the distinction between design and non-design. It is the semantics/semiotics level that does.EugeneS
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Z, for over 100 years since Boltzmann, Maxwell and Gibbs et al, the underlying statistical analysis has been the core of thermodynamics, and particularly of the 2nd law. Your response is inadvertently revealing, especially after this has been pointed out to you over and over again. KFkairosfocus
January 6, 2016
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Zachriel: So it’s not actually thermodynamics, but analogous to thermodynamics. You just don't get it. A world without thermodynamics, that's your position? No Zeroth Law. No First Law. No Second Law. Or perhaps isolated areas of the universe where they just don't hold. Is that your position?Mung
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Ken M:
She enables and encourages open and fair discussion
No, she doesn't- not even close. Anyone who says that genetic algorithms demonstrate Darwinian evolution is either lost, deluded or dishonest. And Elizabeth and the TSZ ilk do just that. The point is GAs are search heuristics and Darwinian evolution isn't a search. Also GAs are actively searching for a solution to a specific problem and NS is passive and whatever is good enough gets to survive. GAs are the opposite of Darwinian evolution. IOW Elizabeth and the TSZ are about as dishonest and deceptive as it gets.Virgil Cain
January 6, 2016
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kairosfocus: the foundational reasons for that lie in the same analysis of configurational possibilities that underlies statistical analysis at the heart of thermodynamics. So it's not actually thermodynamics, but analogous to thermodynamics. Is that your position?Zachriel
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PPS: Nowadays, the cry "censorship" is commonly abused to try to intimidate those who say just as there is no right to cry fire in a crowded theatre with no good reason, there is no right to allow your dog to drag garbage unto your neighbour's front lawn. Censorship properly obtains when there is a power to restrict public communication and suppress civil dissent. In a day when 15 minutes of work to register or set up a blog -- and any number of fever swamp soap box sites are there -- there is no true censorship. But, clearly, there is a proper right to remove the garbage deposited on the front lawn, to build protective fences against further dragging, and to address the irresponsible neighbour. And, abusive commentary, cyberstalking, cyberbullying and the like are widely and correctly understood to be garbage dragged unto the front lawn. Here at UD, there have been significant objectors who, for years have made their case without dragging garbage on the front lawn. K-M, your schoolyard bully level behaviour and record on display above makes it clear that you are not one of such. If you keep on on this line, you will beyond reasonable doubt be shown the exit by UD's moderators, for cause. That should be a word to the wise.kairosfocus
January 6, 2016
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PPS: Locke's alternative:
[2nd Treatise on Civil Gov't, Ch 2 sec. 5:] . . . if I cannot but wish to receive good, even as much at every man's hands, as any man can wish unto his own soul, how should I look to have any part of my desire herein satisfied, unless myself be careful to satisfy the like desire which is undoubtedly in other men . . . my desire, therefore, to be loved of my equals in Nature, as much as possible may be, imposeth upon me a natural duty of bearing to themward fully the like affection. From which relation of equality between ourselves and them that are as ourselves, what several rules and canons natural reason hath drawn for direction of life no man is ignorant . . . [This directly echoes St. Paul in Rom 2: "14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them . . . " and 13: "9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law . . . " Hooker then continues, citing Aristotle in The Nicomachean Ethics, Bk 8:] as namely, That because we would take no harm, we must therefore do none; That since we would not be in any thing extremely dealt with, we must ourselves avoid all extremity in our dealings; That from all violence and wrong we are utterly to abstain, with such-like . . . ] [Eccl. Polity ,preface, Bk I, "ch." 8, p.80, cf. here. Emphasis added.] [Augmented citation, Locke, Second Treatise on Civil Government, Ch 2 Sect. 5. ]
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PS: Plato's warning in The Laws, Bk X:
Ath. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ --> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by "winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . " cf a video on Plato's parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ --> Evolutionary materialism -- having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT -- leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for "OUGHT" is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in "spin") . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ --> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ --> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush -- as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them.
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K-M: I will write just once, for record. You just proved what you are, a trollish agitator unable or unwilling to acknowledge a major and longstanding deep-seated problem of abusive behaviour by objectors to design theory; backed by enabling behaviour of the more genteel . . . some of whom com across as unwilling to confront the abusers because their feral fury will predictably turn on them if they do so. Let him who chooses to ride a tiger beware the consequences. The abuse I point to includes cyberstalking and on the ground stalking, as well as the now increasingly common alinskyite/ cultural marxist agit-prop tactics and linked nihilist, amoral factionalism and bigotry -- warned against 2350 years ago by Plato as consequences of the rise of evolutionary materialist ideologies -- that are wreaking havoc all over our civilisation. You need to be told that you are a part of the problem, not the solution . . . though it will be very hard for those caught up in such marches of folly to see beyond the shadow-shows of the Plato's cave world they inhabit. Our civilisation is sick unto death. (e.g. the warping of law and policy that has led to the mass slaughter of hundreds of millions in the womb under false colours of law is a chief symptom and secondary cause as mass blood guilt is utterly corrupting . . . ) And, those who would bring it down are so historically ignorant, have been so warped on what they imagine is history that they do not understand the consequences of the alternatives they propose -- as the ghosts of the over 100 million victims of the statist tyrannies of the past 100 years try to warn us. The lessons of sound history were bought with blood and tears. Those who dismiss, neglect or distort them doom themselves to pay much the same coin over and over again. March of folly. KFkairosfocus
January 6, 2016
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Mung: "kf, sadly, Elizabeth doesn’t just enable, but encourages." I agree. She enables and encourages open and fair discussion without editing/deleting dissenting comments or banning commenters. I am sure that she appreciates that you would bring this message here. Maybe a little of it will rub off.Ken_M
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Z, the foundational reasons for that lie in the same analysis of configurational possibilities that underlies statistical analysis at the heart of thermodynamics. It is also to be noted that relevant functional clusters are observably distinct from those that do not work, thus providing a proper basis for clustering. KFkairosfocus
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kf, sadly, Elizabeth doesn't just enable, but encourages.Mung
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kairosfocus: There is good reason to distinguish periodic low info order, information rich functionally specific organisation and randomness. Perhaps there is, but it has little or nothing to do with thermodynamics.Zachriel
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PS: Configs in a space are microstates from a field of possibilities -- I long since pointed you to L K Nash's discussion of a string of coins and to the physical example in Mandl of a paramagnetic substance with N up/down to show its physical relevance. Of course studiously ignored, this seems to be conclusion of dismissal in hand all along just find a rhetorically handy talking point to trot it out. In that context, functionally specific organisation constrains what works to deeply isolated islands in the space of possible configs. That is evident from say the FSCO/I in the text of your objections, or from what it takes to make a functional reel. Just so, go back to the tree of life at its root, with reproduction to be explained not used as a magic wand, in Darwin's pond or the like. The FSCO/I there needs to be accounted for on physics and chemistry, reflecting exactly the thermodynamics issues repeatedly highlighted.kairosfocus
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Z, you need to refresh your thinking on the information and entropy connexion all the way back to the corrective in 76 above, not to mention Orgel and Wicken. There is good reason to distinguish periodic low info order, information rich functionally specific organisation and randomness. That has been repeatedly pointed out with reasons, and it has repeatedly been studiously ignored. And your attempt to personalise to me in the teeth of repeated highlighting of what Orgel and Wicken quite cogently pointed out from the 1970's, is also quite revealing. That's an Alinsky tactic, not discussion in good faith on the merits. Indeed, just now you attribute to me what is a citation. KFkairosfocus
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kairosfocus: It is quite clear that it serves no purpose other than to conflate crystalline order and aperiodic, wiring diagram functional organisation, just like the previous distractor on snowflakes. Actually, you are the one who is conflating thermodynamic entropy with functional organization, as was clear when you brought up gases rushing to one side of the room, or when you attempted to discuss "predominant cluster of microstates". The number of possible orderings of, say, of circuits on a microchip, are minuscule when compared to the available microstates of the atoms that make up microchip. kairosfocus: thermodynamics should be seen as an application of Shannon’s information theory To available microstates, not your personal notions of organization.Zachriel
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PS: I clip 231: >> i/l/o Boltzmann’s summary eqn that captures an essential point through a particular case of interest, S = k log W:
The Question Z is trying to distract with is in effect the same as that a perfectly ordered repetitive pattern has near zero information. A flat random distribution has Shannon info capacity at max, and meaningful, aperiodic, functional strings that are constrained to be specific by function have a higher Shannon info capacity metric than a periodic crystal like string but a lower one than random noise. And I answer in this dual form to bring out the issue that the three types of sequence are fundamentally different. Discussion on strings is WLOG. Also Shannon info capacity is distinct from functionally specific info strings.
as well as:
in the view of Jaynes (1957), thermodynamics should be seen as an application of Shannon’s information theory: the thermodynamic entropy is interpreted as being an estimate of the amount of further Shannon information needed to define the detailed microscopic state of the system, that remains uncommunicated by a description solely in terms of the macroscopic variables of classical thermodynamics. For example, adding heat to a system increases its thermodynamic entropy because it increases the number of possible microscopic states that it could be in, thus making any complete state description longer.
And:
in the words of G. N. Lewis writing about chemical entropy in 1930, “Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more” . . . in the discrete case using base two logarithms, the reduced Gibbs entropy is equal to the minimum number of yes/no questions that need to be answered in order to fully specify the microstate, given that we know the macrostate.
Where, as entropy is a state function, it is in order to draw out key components.>>kairosfocus
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Z, FYI you are not the only relevant objector here or elsewhere (as Mung has taken time to clip . . . ). There is a longstanding and widespread problem all the way up to stalking on the ground not just in cyberspace (and yes, that is outright criminal activity and has been brought to police attention), and it needs to be addressed. On the distractor you have kept on pushing, it is strictly irrelevant to the central matter, and has in fact been answered in its dual, info carrying capacity form, cf 200 on above. It is quite clear that it serves no purpose other than to conflate crystalline order and aperiodic, wiring diagram functional organisation, just like the previous distractor on snowflakes. The pivot is, config spaces, islands of function, needle in haystack challenge, as a result of which FSCO/I is properly regarded per abductive inference to best explanation as a reliable empirically grounded sign of design. KFkairosfocus
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kairosfocus: there is never an excuse for hate or want of broughtupcy It's not hateful or impolite to ask you a question about thermodynamics, especially when you are making claims about thermodynamics. In our experience, people who are into science, usually like to talk about science. If you ask a physicist why the Earth's surface is warmer than expected of a blackbody, most would be happy to provide an answer. In any case, diamonds have very low thermodynamic entropy. As a rule, substances made up of complex molecules have a higher entropy.Zachriel
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Mung, there is never an excuse for hate or want of broughtupcy; but we are likely seeing the recycling of one of the all too familiar obsessed characters who hang around in UD's penumbra of attack sites. That said, let us never underestimate that it is easier to distract, distort, denigrate rather than address the issue, as the above thread shows. Which is the clue we need to attend to: if there were a simple slam dunk answer to the force of the design inference, it would have been triumphantly trotted out long since. KFkairosfocus
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Boy kf, they sure do love to hate you. How do you do it? :)Mung
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Ken_M:
Hi Mung. I have a simple question. How come anyone who questions ID is labeled a troll? I have made a total of three comments (four including this one) and I am a troll?
Well, let's see now... Ken_M:
Are you too cowardly (or incapable) of answering it? I can answer it for you, if you want. Or are you terrified of the idea of followers finding out that you don’t know all the answers?
That's a funny way to question ID. Looks more like trolling, imo. Ken_M:
If you don’t know the answer, man-up and admit it. There is no shame. To be honest (which is a personal character you have failed to show) I don’t know the answer. I really want to hear the answer. Do you?
Another funny way to question ID. Looks more like trolling. Ken_M:
How come you always bring up this nonsense whenever your opinions are questioned? This is identifying BS when it is observed. Or you can finally admit that you didn’t know what you were talking about.
Another funny way to question ID. Looks more like trolling. Ken_M: I can answer it for you, if you want. Ken_M: I don’t know the answer. I really want to hear the answer. Troll.Mung
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K_M: Why is it that so many objectors to design theory routinely -- even, habitually -- resort to red herrings, led away to strawmen caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight that cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere? Why do such so often resort to "you hit back first" when that fact is pointed out, and identified as a fallacy of distraction, distortion, denigration and polarisation? To, repeated doubling down in the face of due correction? Other than, the extraordinarily intense, emotionally over-wrought hostility and bigotry that those who object to their ideology "must be" ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked? (And, to date, Dawkins has never taken those words back. Indeed, he has multiplied them over and over again.) If your ilk actually had the goods, simply showing the substance would be unanswerable and that would be clear. It is no coincidence, then, to see your failure to state, summarise or link those goods in response to direct challenge to bring them forth. The persistent lack of those goods speaks volumes on the true balance on merits, as does unresponsiveness when relevant facts are pointed out. FYI, there is no right to be abusive as -- per fair comment in the teeth of uncivil behaviour -- you have consistently been since surfacing overnight. Trolls is as trolls does, in short -- and this attaches to the behaviour of some (too many) objectors to ID who seem to assume they have a right to be ill-behaved. And FYFI, the thread has developed on the informational import of statistical thermodynamics in response to an out of context misleading quotation and an attempt or two to conflate crystallographic order -- snowflakes, diamonds -- with functionally specific complex organisation and associated information, spelling out a descriptive phrase that you attempted to twist into a schoolyard bully style taunt. Game over. KF PS: Your false assertion of victory in the face of an answer that uses the informational connexion to draw out configurational components of entropy, speaks volumes. I repeat, i/l/o Boltzmann's summary eqn that captures an essential point through a particular case of interest, S = k log W:
The Question Z is trying to distract with is in effect the same as that a perfectly ordered repetitive pattern has near zero information. A flat random distribution has Shannon info capacity at max, and meaningful, aperiodic, functional strings that are constrained to be specific by function have a higher Shannon info capacity metric than a periodic crystal like string but a lower one than random noise. And I answer in this dual form to bring out the issue that the three types of sequence are fundamentally different. Discussion on strings is WLOG. Also Shannon info capacity is distinct from functionally specific info strings.
as well as:
in the view of Jaynes (1957), thermodynamics should be seen as an application of Shannon's information theory: the thermodynamic entropy is interpreted as being an estimate of the amount of further Shannon information needed to define the detailed microscopic state of the system, that remains uncommunicated by a description solely in terms of the macroscopic variables of classical thermodynamics. For example, adding heat to a system increases its thermodynamic entropy because it increases the number of possible microscopic states that it could be in, thus making any complete state description longer.
And:
in the words of G. N. Lewis writing about chemical entropy in 1930, "Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more" . . . in the discrete case using base two logarithms, the reduced Gibbs entropy is equal to the minimum number of yes/no questions that need to be answered in order to fully specify the microstate, given that we know the macrostate.
Where, as entropy is a state function, it is in order to draw out key components. In short, you just proved to one and all that the merits were never the issue.kairosfocus
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Hi Mung. I have a simple question. How come anyone who questions ID is labeled a troll? I have made a total of three comments (four including this one) and I am a troll? I don't think that is a large enough sample to draw that conclusion. But you are the scientist....Ken_M
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Troll: Now who is distracting from the issue? LoL!!!Mung
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KF: "this is now schoolyard level name twisting, a case of doubling down to carry on with atmosphere poisoning. Backed up by brazen false assertion.... Blah, blah, blah. How come you always bring up this nonsense whenever your opinions are questioned? You were the one who brought up the statistical aspect of thermodynamics as proof of ID and then was not capable of answering the most simply question about it. This is not distraction. This is identifying BS when it is observed. But you can prove us wrong by simply answering Z's question: " which has lower entropy, a brain or a like mass of diamonds?" Or you can finally admit that you didn't know what you were talking about. Have a nice evening.Ken_M
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K-M, this is now schoolyard level name twisting, a case of doubling down to carry on with atmosphere poisoning. Backed up by brazen false assertion. Doubling down that inadvertently testifies that you have no answer to the main issue and are desperate to distract attention and poison the atmosphere. In fact, the reality of functionally specific complex organisation and associated information is manifest from the very text in your comments to the ckts that implement the PC you likely used to compose, to the software, to the Internet that put the comments up on this blog. The petroleum refinery that made the plastic, the process-flow systems and reaction set, my favourite ABU 6500 C3 fishing reel, and of course the coded strings in D/RNA, the metabolic reaction set in the living cell, proteins, functional organisation of the cell and its organelles such as ribosomes, organs, tissues and networks in body plans are further patent cases in point. Orgel and Wicken clearly identified it in the 70's and in the 80's Thaxton et al built on that. It is the biologically relevant functionally specific subset of CSI. From the 90's Dembski, Meyer and Durston et al have spoken to it. It is readily quantifiable and complexity is easily shown by comparing a 500 - 1000 bit threshold that specifies a level where blind needle in haystack search on the gamut of sol system or observed cosmos, loses all credibility as a feasible mans by which blind chance and/or mechanical necessity could credibly account for functionally specific organisation. It is readily recognised and quantified much as AutoCAD quantifies the self-same FSCO/I in engineering drawings -- Wicken's wiring diagram functionality based on node-arc networks that are functionally specific, info rich and complex. There are trillions of cases in point where we pretty much know the consistent, reliable cause: intelligently, purposefully directed configuration. The very resort to tactics of obfuscation, sneering, schoolyard bullyboyism, dismissal, distraction, atmosphere poisoning etc tells us loud and clear that the former campaigns to find counter examples (including canals on mars or the like) have so demonstrably come up dry that other, more sinister tactics are being resorted to. Per inference to best, empirically grounded, needle in haystack blind search challenge backed explanation, FSCO/I is a reliable sign of design as cause. That points to design as best explanation for OOL, and of body plans up to our own. Which is just what the evolutionary materialist scientism dominated establishment does not want anyone to consider. And ever so many of the indoctrinated are all too eager to enable that imposition. Game over. KF PS: Islands of function deeply isolated in very large config spaces and the information-stat mech picture. Including that all this started when someone artfully clipped a cite from the Wiki info thermod article that by suppressing the following paragraph twisted what has been publicly admitted against known interest for four years to my certain knowledge. PPS: Onlookers, cf 76 on above, responding to Aleta's misleading truncation: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/but-is-this-fair-to-feynman/#comment-593521kairosfocus
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KF: "K-M: In fact, I was repeatedly pointing out the focal issue being distracted from; even noting that the matters are quite distinct so we can address the pivotal issue of FSCO/I and its cause..." Now who is distracting from the issue? FIASCO was never the central issue. You brought it up to distract from the original issue. Would you like me to remind you about it?Ken_M
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K-M: In fact, I was repeatedly pointing out the focal issue being distracted from; even noting that the matters are quite distinct so we can address the pivotal issue of FSCO/I and its cause -- which it is obvious that you too are dodging -- even if we do not know the answer to a question of the entropy of a crystal of mass equal to a functionally organised entity. This was of course studiously ignored. You will further see that I just added a PS above that addresses the question in its dual, info form -- and that has been noted by Abel et al since c 2009. Orgel and Wicken point to it 40 years past. It turns out in short that the answer is of long standing, even in the thread, from 40 years ago. The issues of configuration and functionally specific organisation need to be faced not obfuscated. Nor does now trying to question my honesty add anything positive. In short we see the all too common trifecta fallacy of distract, distort, denigrate in action. KFkairosfocus
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KF: "K-M: That is a pile on tactic. Why? Because you can't respond to it? Z has been asking a question (repeatedly, and repeatedly ignored) that you have refused to respond to. And it is relevant to the subject at hand. If you don't know the answer, man-up and admit it. There is no shame. To be honest (which is a personal character you have failed to show) I don't know the answer. I really want to hear the answer. Do you?Ken_M
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