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From Truth Will Set You Free (18) in response to Pindi (16)

Pindi @ 16: Saying that the theory of Darwinian evolution is in free fall has nothing to do with the state of ID, or whether William Dembski is breaking ranks from the ID movement.

News: Dembski isn’t “breaking ranks from the ID movement” and has never said he was. He just wanted to do something with his life for a while other than scrap with tax- or Templeton-funded Darwin trolls. You bought ‘em, you pay for ‘em.

Darwinian evolution is in free fall because it is not supported by empirical science. Lots of speculation and philosophizing, but no empirical evidence to prove that natural selection working on random, unguided processes is capable of speciation, let alone abiogenesis. Modern science is revealing not only that there is no evidence for such things, but that it is highly unlikely that such things could happen by Darwinian evolution. Hence the free fall.

News: Darwinian evolution is largely a cultural enterprise, as Tom Wolfe has recently pointed out. It doesn’t need to be true—or even make sense—as long as somBimboat can front it earnestly on Taxpayer TV.

Thanks in large part to leaders of the ID movement, including William Dembski, people are no longer afraid to challenge atheists on this issue. If nothing else, the ID movement has exposed the glaring flaws in Darwin’s theory. That alone is a major accomplishment given the entrenched and untouchable status the theory has held in academia for many years.

News: That part was what first got me (O’Leary for News ) involved. Having been alerted by a poli sci prof to the political craziness of Darwinism (approx 1996), I had to get used to

1) the sickening, hagiographic media releases from researchers who breathlessly announced that they were defending the Ol’ Brit Toff

2) the cringeworthy cowardice of Christian BigThink media who decided to switch gears under pressure and fawn all over the Toff’s followers, instead of giving them a boot where they deserve it.

3) really insane stuff like wanting to put Darwin (a classic racistalongside Lincoln in the U.S. as an American liberation hero (sponsored by the last people you would expect to do so—except that they may not have done any homework at all and were egged on in this venture by Darwinbots).

Also, Stephen Meyer, Jay Richards, Michael Behe, Michael Denton, Ann Gauger, Jonathan Wells, and many others are more than capable of carrying the torch for ID, as is Douglas Axe, whose recent book, Undeniable, has become an instant classic in the ID genre, garnering much praise, even from scientists.

News: Probably especially from scientists.

By the way, there are other scientists, doctorates, professors, etc. who challenge the theory of Darwinian evolution but not under the banner of ID. Hugh Ross, James Tour, Dave Berlinski, and many others fall into that group.

News:  A lot of people feel better when they crawl out from under a load of horseshit. You don’t have to be a scientist.

Regarding your point “not a lot of science going on here” (at uncommondescent.com), surely you know that everyone here understands and appreciates the scientific method. You should not expect to see “science going on here,” but you should expect to see a robust discussion about science going on here. Which is exactly what you find.

News:  Uncommon Descent is a Colorado-based not-for-profit that provides independent news of interest to people who follow the intelligent design controversy. As your principal newswriter, I would be happy to think that, now that the Royal Society is taking these issues on, there is some hope that a bigger shovel than we can rent will be applied to the pile.

See also: What to expect from the Royal Society’s public evolution summit November 7-9

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How could you forget Casey Luskin?? He was probably the most prolific and diverse writer on ID. He was my favorite….and I’m anti-ID!REW
October 20, 2016
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rvb8: you prefer to be choked in the shallow waters before you get to deep?
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians - What I Am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDl3bdE3YQA "What I Am" I'm not aware of too many things I know what I know, if you know what I mean Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box Religion is the smile on a dog I'm not aware of too many things I know what I know, if you know what I mean, d-doo yeah Choke me in the shallow waters Before I get too deep ,,,
bornagain77
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rvb8- Why do you continue to bother posting on this site, I have asked you two questions that you have completely refused to engage with,so come on you may be easily lead but you don`t seem to be stupid , so when a question is asked of you why don`t you engage with it , why don`t you at least attempt to give your understanding of it. At least that way through a reasoned discussion you may reach a better understanding on the subject at hand , and at least you could honestly say you disagree instead of blindly accepting the company line.Marfin
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I can't take my 'baseless' assertions elsewhere, and simultaneously answer your ludicrous question now can I? My writing is not ad hominem, it is critical of the style of a poor writer. News often uses 'the ol' Brit toff' when describing Darwin. It is tedious and embarassing to herself. She often brings up the supposed superiority of the great emancipator, with that of the forgettable hack Darwin, it's a rhetorical device that is tired and repititious; has she new material? I'll try to answer your obscure question, although I'm not sure what you mean. I assume you mean that you don't eat babies because they are humans made in the image of God and therefore off limits as a source of protein. I further assume you argue that I, as an atheist do not have this God ordained restraint and can therefore tuck into baby pie. No thank you. My common decency as a human being restrains me, and further I would actively try to prevent those that look to unwanted children as a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas. Now you will return and say I have no moral basis to follow my imposed restraint. It gets into philosophy of life, and what it is to be a human here, and I am unqualified to pursue that messy vague area. You appear quite capable of wasting litres of ink on that pointless avenue of inquiry.rvb8
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Thanks for the great links, bornagain77. My own rejection of Darwinism in college was precisely the magical quality of a theory imbued with God-like qualities. What could at most provide fine tuning was credited with miracle after miracle! The Third Way finally acknowledges the glaring shortfalls in a quaint Victorian fantasy that’s an anachronism in the modern world, a theoretical zombie that should have been buried by the scientific community a half century ago! Marfin, What amazes me this the quasi-religious dogmatism of Darwinism that’s promoted by precisely those people who are not up to the practical knowledge and capabilities of James Tour and others. I didn’t know about Ernst Boris Chain—thanks for the tip! Rvb8, Why don’t you take your pointless ad hominem attacks and usual baseless assertions elsewhere. And you still haven’t provided any rational basis for why you consider certain the consumption of some animal protein immoral, even after being asked multiple times. Is it immoral for a leopard to be a historical predator of Homo sapiens? -QQuerius
October 19, 2016
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News, this language and these targets are regrettably used by you, and your alter-ego, O'leary, too often! "the Ol' Brit Toff"; Really? If you have a problem with the British aristocracy (and being from NZ, believe me, I do), then say so. This absurd hidden agenda of attacking the institution while hiding behind the individual is weird. You mention Meyer, Behe, Dembski, Gauger, Wells, 'and many others'. Please, who are these, 'many othrs'? I only hear these names parroted continuously, the 'many others' remain a mystery. Your attack on 'Big Media' is merely an attack on something you envy, that is plain, and not pretty to behold in any writer. This resentful predjudice is easy to detect. You say Lincoln should not be associated with Darwin, as one of these persons is incomparibly greater than the other. I agree!rvb8
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My favourite anti Darwinian is Ernst Boris Chain, a brilliant,brilliant scientist who along with Howard Florey has saved tens if not hundreds of millions of lives with there work on penicillin. Now Chain called Darwinism a fairy tale based on no evidence, how can anyone dismiss this comment from such a man and accept Dawkins, Coyne,Miller et al when you consider his accomplishments compared to theirs and the vested interest they have in promoting evolution.Marfin
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as to: "By the way, there are other scientists, doctorates, professors, etc. who challenge the theory of Darwinian evolution but not under the banner of ID. Hugh Ross, James Tour, Dave Berlinski, and many others fall into that group." and let's not forget to give Shapiro's group of distinguished scientists at "The Third Way" a nod
Neo-Darwinism ignores important rapid evolutionary processes such as symbiogenesis, horizontal DNA transfer, action of mobile DNA and epigenetic modifications. Moreover, some Neo-Darwinists have elevated Natural Selection into a unique creative force that solves all the difficult evolutionary problems without a real empirical basis. Many scientists today see the need for a deeper and more complete exploration of all aspects of the evolutionary process. http://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/ List of people who are members of The Third Way http://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/people
bornagain77
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