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Coordinated Complexity — the key to refuting postdiction and single target objections

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[As I recall, Jason Rosenhouse objected that Bill Dembski’s notion of specification cannot be applied to biology. This essay is written to challenge some of the objections think I’ve heard him raise informally over the years at my ID talks at his school and our discussion at ID and creation conferences. He’s one of the brightest critics of ID that I know, and thus I think objections he might raise should be addressed.]

The opponents of ID argue something along the lines: “take a deck of cards, randomly shuffle it, the probability of any given sequence occurring is 1 out of 52 factorial or about 8×10^67 — Improbable things happen all the time, it doesn’t imply intelligent design.”

In fact, I found one such Darwinist screed here:

Creationists and “Intelligent Design” theorists claim that the odds of life having evolved as it has on earth is so great that it could not possibly be random. Yes, the odds are astronomical, but only if you were trying to PREDICT IN ADVANCE how life would evolve.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071207060800AAqO3j2

Ah, but what if cards dealt from one random shuffle are repeated by another shuffle, would you suspect Intelligent Design? A case involving this is reported in the FBI website: House of Cards

In this case, a team of cheaters bribed a casino dealer to deal cards and then reshuffle them in same order that they were previously dealt out (no easy shuffling feat!). They would arrive at the casino, play cards which the dealer dealt and secretly record the sequence of cards dealt out. Thus when the dealer re-shuffled the cards and dealt out the cards in the exact same sequence as the previous shuffle, the team of cheaters would be able to play knowing what cards they would be dealt, thus giving them substantial advantage. Not an easy scam to pull off, but they got away with it for a long time.

The evidence of cheating was confirmed by videotape surveillance because the first random shuffle provided a specification to detect intelligent design of the next shuffle. The next shuffle was intelligently designed to preserve the order of the prior shuffle.

Here is a spectacular example of how a skilled dealer can control the sequence of cards through an intelligently designed shuffle:

But how does this relate to the problem of ID and defining specifications which signify the action of an intelligent agency?

The answer is that it illustrates how circumstances themselves can provide specification for detecting design even when we don’t have the specification in advance. The casinos observing the cheating team did not know in advance what the outcome of the shuffled decks would be but they were able to detect intelligent design despite lacking explicit patterns of cards to look for before catching the crooks.

Opponents of ID have insinuated that we cannot legitimately compute probabilities of designed objects if we don’t have explicit specification of the design before we make the observation of the artifact. Not so. The FBI case is a case in point!

Now consider a randomly generated string: “yditboawrt”. Its existence might not be significant unless it were converted for use as someone’s password. But if it were converted to a password, at that point, what was previously just a random string takes on significance. If one has a lock-and-key/login-password type system, you can legitimately estimate threshold improbability based on looking at the improbability of the password itself.

For example a given password of 10 letters will have an improbability of 1 out of 26^10. If we found a random string of letters (like say scrabble pieces) lying in a box, it might be rather pointless to use probability to argue the pattern is designed merely because its improbability is 1 out of 26^10, however if we found a computer system protected by a login-password that consists of 10 letters, the improbability of that system existing in the first place is at least 1 out of 26^10 and actually far more remote since the system that would implement the password protection is substantially more complex than the password itself (and this is an understatement).

This illustrates how specified complexity can be detected in systems where we don’t have specifications in advance. One merely calculates the complexity of one of the parts that must be coordinated with the whole. I call this coordinated complexity. The FBI case is an example where individuals were able to confirm intelligent design without having explicit patterns to work with in advance.

There may be infinite ways to make lock-and-key systems or login-password systems. But the fact that there are an infinite number of ways to build these things, does not imply the systems are probable. Likewise, even though in principle we could construct life forms in an infinite number of ways, it does not mean they are probable from random events any more than lock-and-key systems are probable from random events. Critics of ID claim that ID proponents are assuming life forms assume basically one form. That objection is largely irrelevant, because the improbability of a design is evident by the level of coordinated complexity in evidence in the artifact! The calculations the ID proponents use that focus on a specific target are legitimate if one considers that the target itself is specified by the entire system which it is a part of.

Critics of ID often argue something to the effect, “simple replicators can be built” with the insinuation that since simple replicators exist, complex replicators are somehow probable. This is like saying if hacker is able to compromise a relatively short password by exhaustive search, that somehow he will resolve a far more complex one with the same techniques. Not so! Yet this is exactly what defenders of OOL research do. They give examples of replicators and suggest that it is not so hard to make a replicator. Agreed that it is relatively easy to make a replicator (like the Ghadiri Peptide), but making replicators isn’t the problem. Nor is it the problem that we have merely an improbable structure in life (after all the sequence of a randomly shuffled deck of cards is astronomically improbable), but that the structure is specified improbability. It is specified because of the level of coordination that defines the structure, just like the level of coordination needed to implement a password-protected system of a mere 10 letters, or the cooridination of a falsely shuffled deck of cards with a randomly shuffled deck of cards. It is specified complexity because it is coordinated complexity.

lock and key

Like the calculation of the improbability of a password understates the improbability of a password protected computer system, the calculation for the arrival of a given proteins may actually understate the improbability of the system in which such a protein is deemed functional. For example, letting the protein be analogous to a key, consider how hard it would be given a key, to build a corresponding lock!

The problem with solving the origin of life is akin to login-password protected computer systems arising spontaneously. For this reason, it would seem, the calculations of life’s improbability put forward by ID proponents are quite valid, and actually may understate the magnitude of the problem for life spontaneously arising.

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Scordova, do you mean self ordering instead of self organization? Stephen meyers says ordered systems as characterized by their low information content whereas organized systems are high in specified complexity because of their indeterminate aperiodic nature.
Thank you for the comment, and rather than answer your question directly, let me offer this thought. Organization is organizing things in ways that are resisted or not directly facilitated by self ordering. OOL research are tries to explain organization through self-ordering which is like looking for square circles. My favorite example of this is a house of cards. The natural self-ordering tendency is for cards to rest mostly flat on a table, or maybe in a pile on top of each other. This is the most likely equilibrium configuration. The cards can be organized into a delicate house of cards. Such an organization of cards actually goes AGAINST the natural self ordering tendency of cards (which is to lay flat in a pile, if that). A house of cards achieve a state of quasi-equilibrium, but it is a state that is not easily achived via undirected forces. Physical principles makes it possible for the house of cards to stand, but it also makes it improbable for such a structure to emerge spontaneously from undirected forces (like wind or the table shaking). It is in this space of organized configuration where physical law makes possible but simultaneously improbable that designed organization can be recognized. OOL either tries to explain oranization through ordering ( a contradiction) or essentially argue that the appearance of organization is an illusion. I recall Dr. Hazen showing many pictures of self-ordered phonomenon like snowflakes to argue his case for OOL. But life is different. It is organized in a way that assembly would tend to be resisted by physical principles, just like the formation of a house of cards via undirected processes is resisted by physical principles. I like the house of card analogy a lot because you can visualize how self-ordering tendencies (like the tendency of cards to lie flat) will oppose the possibility of organization into a house. It is the fact that the molecules of life are organized in a way that goes against the most natural equilibrium configuration that makes life different from other collections of matter. Computer systems also have the features of a house of cards, but it is not quite so visually obvious. Living cells implement computers.scordova
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Thanks, Sal. Both for your thoughts and kind words. I took a couple year break from UD and other ID/evolution discussions, partly due to work and other commitments, partly due to feeling a bit tired of the same issues coming up over and over. A few months ago I got somewhat rejuvenated and decided to return here to check things out. There are some thoughtful posters and we've had several good discussions, although often in less detail than I'd like. I don't spend a lot of time at Talk Origins. The quality of some of the FAQ's over there is abysmal, and Musgrave's abiogenesis page, in particular, is a disaster. I suspect he knows it is a hatchet job, rather than a fair discussion. You are a more patient man than I to attempt a discussion of what he wrote there. Nevertheless, his page did point me to the two Ghadiri papers, so hopefully I'll be able to read them and find out more about Ghadiri's work. If history is any guide, what I'll find is that Ghadiri's papers do not fully support what they are claimed by abiogenesis proponents to support. This could turn out to be a first, however, so I'm looking forward to reading what his work actually demonstrates! :) I do have to gently disagree with you on one thing. The title to this post suggests that coordinated complexity can address the postdiction and single target objections. I fear this is too optimistic. The objections, as near as I can ascertain, do not rest on a reasoned evaluation of the facts, but rather on a philosophical commitment to chance and necessity. Coordinated complexity, while an extremely important point and a significant player in any probability calculation, will simply be viewed as yet another improbable event that has already happened (postdiction) or as yet another single target (albeit one in a long sequence of single targets). I have never seen any rational argument on the side of the materialists to address the awful probabilities that await a natural abiogenesis story. I've spent a fair amount of time thinking about what you are calling coordinated complexity. I haven't been able to decide whether it is a difference of degree or of kind. It sounds like you are arguing that it is a difference of kind, but that is a challenging argument to get people to accept, even if correct. Coordinated complexity may in fact be -- and will certainly be viewed by the materialist as -- a difference of degree only. Coordinated complexity, as important as it is, just adds more zeroes. But all the zeroes didn't phase the committed materialist in the first place, because he is interested in the storyline, not an objective assessment of the probabilities. Anyway, I hope that doesn't sound too negative. I know you aren't really expecting folks like Rosenhouse and Musgrave to suddenly 'see the light' once you've explained coordinated complexity. You've laid out some great points that perhaps will help those who are willing to listen solidify our thinking around these issues.Eric Anderson
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Scordova, do you mean self ordering instead of self organization? Stephen meyers says ordered systems as characterized by their low information content whereas organized systems are high in specified complexity because of their indeterminate aperiodic nature.kuartus
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Since I mentioned Dr. Musgraves article on looking at it again I saw him illustrating the exact same mistake that this essay addresses:
At the moment, since we have no idea how probable life is, it's virtually impossible to assign any meaningful probabilities to any of the steps to life except the first two (monomers to polymers p=1.0, formation of catalytic polymers p=1.0).
No sir. The problem is not of formation of catalytic polymers. It is that the polymers are structured into a lock-and-key system! The probabilities of lock and key systems can be estimated.
So I've shown that generating a given small enzyme is not as mind-bogglingly difficult as creationists (and Fred Hoyle) suggest.
No sir! As I showed it is easy to generate a random string, but putting in a context where it is functionally coordinated into a system is very improbable. Same with making a small enzyme. The issue isn't making the enzyme, but an enzyme appropriate to a functioning rube-goldberg machine. Like the OOL community, Musgrave redifines the problem that is being solved, leaving the reader with the impression that the ID argument has been refuted, whearas he refuted an argument which the ID proponent hasn't really made. To be fair to Dr. Musgrave, the problem being solved may not have been sufficiently articulated to prevent objections like Dr. Musgrave's from being asserted. This essay is an attempt to clarify the issue.scordova
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By the way the ghadiri peptide like Fox's protocells was made from pre-existing biolgical materials since making homochiral polymers isn't easy from scratch. :-) Musgrave didn't point that out. :-) The reaction is best called self-catalysis. Further it doesn't replicate the way a biological system replicates. OOL research are looking for self-organizing reaction, but that is a dead end. Life is made up of materials that notoriously don't self-organize (as is evident in decomposing dead bodies). That is why the design is special. The Ghadiri ligase is a self-organizing system. Self organizing systems almost by definition can't be very good information processing machines like computers or cells. I mentioned it to Dr. Hazen at my school. I pointed out papers to the effect. He was polite, but I don't think the OOL community will see their flaw: COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAVE BITS! Bits imply the has improbability (not self-organization) as a salient feature. Looking for computers that self organize from disorganized chemical soups is like looking for square circles. The quest is doomed. Self-organization prevents the formation of an information processor, and thus prevents a computer from forming spontaneously. Improbability is needed to build computer memory systems, improbability (measured in bits, like say in the computer's memory) guarantees the computer cannot be made by chance. The random shuffle of cards being replicated is astonishing for the reason the cards resist self-organized sequence replication. The materials that make life would ordinarily not tend to self replicate polymer sequences either, that is why the self-replication process is astonishing, whereas the replication of salt-crystals is not at all astonishing by comparison. OOL research, faced with these problems, redefine the metric of success from "explain how software, the computer system it resides on can form spontaneously and replicate itself" to "explain how something can replicate". They are answering questions that aren't really being asked. The question really being asked is why the replicators of life are rube-gold machines. Like the peacock's tail which made Darwin sick, life is rich with examples of rituals that would seem to detract from the necessity of pure survival.scordova
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Eric, Delight to see you. I posted a couple years back pointing out you were favorably mentioned in a peer-reviewed work:-) See: Michael Behe, Eric Anderson, David Chiu, Kirk Durston mentioned favorably in ID-sympathetic Peer-Reviewed Article But regarding your question about the peptide, you can find it here in Ian Musgraves essay: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html I think this essay pretty much refutes Musgraves attemps at dealing with the obvious statistical hurdles in OOL. Musgrave tries to redefine the problem as one of making replicators. That's not the problem. The problem is that the replicators do not take the simplest pathway to replication but are rather Rube-Goldberg machines with lots of lock and key systems along the way!scordova
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Sal, good to see you. Couple of quick thoughts. 1. "Improbable things happen all the time, it doesn’t imply intelligent design." If Rosenhouse "is one of the brightest ID critics" and this is an argument he is making then I'd have to object to your characterization of him being bright. He obviously doesn't understand the design argument or is purposely setting up a strawman. 2. ". . . simple replicators can be built . . ." Can anyone point me to one of these? I followed your link about the Ghadiri peptide, but it was a long discussion that didn't get to the real point. I also went to the Ghadiri website, but didn't see much specific detail. Would you happen to have a copy of Ghadiri's paper discussing this self-replicating molecule? I'm particularly interested because lots of folks, including the Harvard Origins Project, are spending a lot of time and energy trying to come up with a viable scenario for a self-replicating molecule. If Ghadiri has already demonstrated such a thing, that would be most interesting. Of course, as you mention, the real issue is specified complexity, and I appreciate your taking time to respond to the Rosenhouse strawman.Eric Anderson
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Sal, As you know, I lived in the depressing, nihilistic, soul-destroying depths of atheistic materialistic philosophy for a dreadful 43 years, but was liberated. And ID theory was a major factor in my liberation.GilDodgen
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Thanks Gil for your peer review. I corrected my dyslexic error. Thank a million!scordova
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Sal, How nice to see you here! Actually, it's 26^10 (26 possibilities in 10 locations) or approximately 1.4e+14, but your point still stands. Something completely mystifies me. The bacterial flagellar system is a machine, with an obvious purpose (propulsion). If this isn't a specification, nothing is. Darwinists resort to what I would describe as intellectual contortionism in order to deny the obvious. And the motivation for this grotesque mental plasticity is clear to me: If design really does exist in biological systems, the Darwinist's entire worldview collapses. As Paul points out in Romans, it is clearly seen that some things are made.GilDodgen
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