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Critics of ID are quick to label it creationism. It is therefore ironic that creationists are increasingly reluctant to identify themselves as design theorists. Creationists, both of the young-earth and the old-earth variety, tend to think ID doesn’t go far enough and hesitate to embrace ID’s widening circle of allies, a circle that now includes Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, New Agers, and non-dogmatic agnostics. Indeed, creationists are increasingly distancing themselves from ID’s big tent.

By creationism, I don’t mean merely the belief that God created the world. All theists believe that. Rather, creationism denotes the view that the Bible, and Genesis in particular, guarantees the truth of certain scientific models. Thus, for instance, the young-earth creationist model of flood geology (and, in particular, the use of this model to explain the fossil record) finds its ultimate support in the Genesis account of Noah’s flood. Rather than simply following the evidence wherever it goes and letting the science speak for itself (which is the stated aim of ID), creationism is self-consciously involved in a Bible-science controversy. Because creationists have, in their view, an inside track on scientific truth through the Bible, they already know more (or think they do) than any ID theorist can ever know. For them, ID is too thin a soup on which to nourish a robust creationism. Hence their increasing refusal to place themselves under ID’s big tent.

As evidence, I cite the following three items:

(1) The Institute for Creation Research‘s (ICR’s) 2005-2006 Resource Catalog includes no books published by ID proponents after 2000 — and the bulk of our books have been published since then. In particular, none of my work appears in their catalog. More telling still is where ICR is placing its bets, namely, on showing that the earth is thousands rather than billions of years old. Thus, the very first item, prominently displayed, in that Resource Catalog is a book and video titled Thousands . . . Not Billions. If the earth is indeed thousands rather than billions of years old and this young age can be settled definitiely, then not only will young-earth creationism be vindicated but evolution will be disproven immediately as a straightforward corollary (there simply wouldn’t be any time for evolution to have taken place). Thus, rather than cast their lot with ID, which admits an old earth (if only for the sake of argument, though most ID proponents I know do indeed hold to an old earth) and requires a case-by-case analysis of biological systems to determine their design characteristics and the obstacles these present to evolvability, ICR appears to want a quick and decisive solution. Good luck to them in pulling it off.

(2) Reasons to Believe (RTB) is the ministry of old-earth creationist Hugh Ross. Their online store (go here) serves the same role for RTB as ICR’s Resource Catalog. It too is very sparse in ID offerings. As with ICR, RTB has no books by ID proponents on the biological aspects of ID subsequent to 2000 (with regard to the cosmological aspects of ID, there is one exception, namely, The Privileged Planet by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards, which is not surprising given that Gonzalez is a long-time associate of RTB). Again, none of my work is in that catalog, with one exception: Mere Creation. This book is the procedings of a conference from 1996 at which Hugh Ross spoke, so he has an essay in the book. Nonetheless, the RTB Store lists Mere Creation as a clearance item, indicating that RTB will soon no longer carry it.

(3) RTB’s official press release in August 2005 claimed that ID is not science (even the young-earth creationists don’t go this far). Note that Fazale Rana is the number-two man at RTB and Hugh Ross’s collaborator on a number of projects:

From: CCNWashDC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 05,his 2005 3:30 PM
To: newsdesk@earnedmedia.org
Subject: PR: Creation Scientist says Intelligent Design Has No Place in
Public School Science Curriculum

“As currently formulated, Intelligent Design is not science,” says Dr.
Fazale Rana, internationally respected biochemist and one of the world’s
leading experts in origin of life research.

To: National Desk

Contact: Kathleen Campbell, Campbell Public Relations, 877-540-6022,
kcampbell@thecompletesolution.com

NEWS ADVISORY, Aug. 5 /Christian Wire Service
/ — Internationally respected
biochemist and one of the world’s leading experts in origin of life
research, Fazale “Fuz” Rana, PhD, is available for comment on the validity
of teaching “Intelligent Design” in public schools. Dr. Rana states:

“As currently formulated, Intelligent Design is not science. It is not
falsifiable and makes no predictions about future scientific discoveries.

“As a biochemist I am opposed to introducing any idea into the educational
process that is scientifically ludicrous. Proponents of Intelligent Design
lose credibility, for instance, when they say that the Earth is thousands of
years old when the scientific evidence and the fossil record clearly prove
our Earth is at least 4.5 billion years.

“At Reasons To Believe , our team of scientists
has developed a theory for creation that embraces the latest scientific
advances. It is fully testable, falsifiable, and successfully predicts the
current discoveries in origin of life research.

“With the creation model approach every perspective is encouraged to
participate in the scientific process to see which theory best fits the
emerging data. With this cutting edge program no philosophical or religious
perspective is denied access. It holds the possibility of bringing to
resolution the creation /evolution controversy once and for all.”

Fazale Rana, Ph.D. is the vice president for science apologetics at Reasons
To Believe. Dr. Rana earned his Bachelor’s and Master’s Degrees in Biology
and Biochemistry at West Virginia State College and his Ph.D. in Chemistry
at Ohio University. He was twice winner of the Clippinger Research Award at
Ohio University. Dr. Rana worked for seven years as a senior scientist in
product development for Procter & Gamble before joining Reasons To Believe.
He has published more than fifteen articles in peer-reviewed scientific
journals and delivered more than twenty presentations at international
scientific conferences. Dr. Rana is the co-author of the chapter on Anti
Microbial Peptides for Biological and Synthetic Membranes in addition to
contributing numerous feature articles to Facts for Faith magazine. Origins
of Life:Biblical and Evolutionary Models Face Off is Dr. Rana’s first book.
His newest title, Who Was Adam?: A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of
Man is due to release in September ’05.

For more information visit the Reasons To Believe website at www.reasons.org
.

To schedule an interview contact Kathleen Campbell; Campbell Public
Relations, LLC; 877-540-6022; kcampbell@thecompletesolution.com

This press release is remarkable in a number of respects. On the one hand, Rana calls ID to task for not taking a stand on the age of the earth when the fact is that every ID theorist develops ID arguments consistent with standard geological and cosmological dating (i.e., billions, not thousands). Thus, if there are young-earth creationists in our midst, they put their young-earth creationism aside when focusing on ID. This is not to say that they stop believing creationism or lay it aside when considering other scientific questions, like the age of the Earth. The point is that for ID, neither thousands nor billions of years make the problem of design in nature go away. The age question is irrelevant to ID.

On the other hand, Rana dismisses our efforts to develop ID as a scientific program and advertises RTB’s own approach to biological origins as the science of the future. In response to this press release, I wrote Drs. Rana and Ross the following:

I’ve been meaning to ask you about the press release. I’m curious about Fuz’s appeal to Popper’s falsifiability criterion as a defining condition for science. String theory, for instance, isn’t falsifiable at present; maybe it isn’t science, but lots of people in physics departments do it. And yet it seems that RTB is not about to issue a press release against discussing string theory in science classrooms.

But isn’t the real issue not falsifiability but confirmation/disconfirmation. A scientific theory should be disconfirmable by evidence. Whereas falsifiability is supposed to be dramatic and fatal to a theory, disconfirmation merely renders it less plausible. ID is certainly disconfirmable: if someone takes an allegedly irreducibly complex system and finds a good neo-Darwinist story to explain it, then ID is disconfirmed. If you don’t agree, please let me know why.

[[Note that in writing this letter, I drew from a private email by a colleague on Rana’s press release — I would name this colleague, but because his academic position is at this time not secure, I need to preserve confidentiality.]]

Neither Fazale Rana nor Hugh Ross ever responded to this email.

As for their theory of creation, known as the RTB model, which Rana’s press release promises will bring “to resolution the creation/evolution controversy once and for all,” I encourage readers to look at it closely. This theory, known as “the RTB Biblical Creation Model,” appears in a book by Rana and Ross titled Origins of Life: Biblical and Evolutionary Models Face Off. Their model, which states that God created life as recounted in the Bible, is supposed to establish its scientific bona fides through eight predictions on pages 43 and 44 of that book. Here are these eight predictions (note that boldface and italics are as they appear in the text):

The RTB Model’s Predictions

The RTB biblical creation model for the origin of life sets forth the following central ideas and predictions:

1. Life appeared early in Earth’s history, while the planet was still in its primodial state. The backdrop for the origin of life in Genesis 1:2 was an early Earth enveloped entirely in water and as yet untransformed by tectonic and volcanic activity. This tenet anticipates the discovery of life’s remains in the part of the geological column that corresponds to earth Earth.

2. Life originated in and persisted through the hostile conditions of early Earth. Genesis 1:2 describes early Earth as tohu wabohu, an empty wasteland. This model maintains that God nurtured the seeds of Earth’s first life, perhaps re-creating these seeds each time they were destroyed. This model predicts that science will discover life’s first emergence under the hellish conditions of early Earth.

3. Life Orignated abruptly. If God created the first life on Earth through direct intervention, one can reasonably assume that life appeared suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere. This model predicts that the planetary and geological record will demonstrate life’s emergence in a narrow, if not instantaneous, time window.

4. Earth’s first life displays complexity. If a Creator brought life into existence, first life should display significant complexity. Therefore, the RTB Model predicts that fossil and geochemical remains will indicate that Earth’s earliest life forms display complexity.

5. Life is complex in its mininal form. Life in its simplest form should also display considerable complexity. An inherent minimal complexity reasonably indicates that life has been intelligently crafted.

6. Life’s chemistry displays hallmark characteristics of design. Systems and structures produced by intelligent agents typically possess characteristics that distinguish them from those produced by natural processes. These properties serve as indicators of design. They will be apparent in biochemical systems of the cell if the biblical Creator is responsible for life. . . .

7. First life was qualitatively different from life that came into existence on creation days three, five, and six. The third creation day describes the creation of plants. . . . The fifth creation day discusses the creation of marine invertebrates and fish, marine mammals, and birds. The sixth creation day includes the creation of specialized land mammals. These multicellular advanced plants and animals are qualitatively different from the first life forms created on primordial Earth.

8. A purpose can be postulated for life’s early appearance on Earth. The RTB Model bears the burden of explaining why God would create life so early in Earth’s history and why (as well as when) He would create the specific types of life that appeared on primordial Earth. While God would be free to create life for nonutilitarian purposes, discernible reasons should exist for God’s bringing life into existence under the violent conditions of early Earth — conditions under which life could not persist and would presumably need to be re-created.

After reading and re-reading these predictions, I’m frankly scratching my head. These predictions, according to Rana and Ross, are supposed to render their model science whereas ID is not science? Take point 8: How is it a scientific prediction that “a purpose can be postulated for life’s early appearance on Earth”? This is so vague that it can’t count as a prediction. As for points 4 to 6, in drawing attention to the complexity of life and design detection, these points touch on central ID concerns (but note, neither Behe nor I receive any mention in the book’s index). But why should the complexity of life and design detection in living forms follow from Genesis? Presumably God could have made a world in which life forms were materially simple.

Bottom line: Creationists want more than ID is willing to deliver and are now distancing themselves from it.

Comments
arcturus,
I’m not sure that the comments section of Mr. Dembski’s blog is the appropriate place to try to bash YEC.
I think an ID blog is a great place to recite the mantra “follow the evidence where it leads.” (Also, it is Dr. Dembski; but this is a minor point.)
Actually, if you want to take things literally, YEC is precisely what you would get from reading Genesis, unless you’ve gone and changed the meaning of the word literal on us.
As per YEC, most get stuck on the word translated into English as "day". The Hebrew word is yom. This word has three literal contexts: 1.) It can be used to indicate the time between daylight and nighttime 2.) It can describe a 24 hour period or 3.) It can be used to express a period of unspecified duration To me, it is obvious that the 3rd context was used because other biblical passages strongly imply we are still in the seventh "day" of creation. In order to believe that the Earth is young, you must: a.) begin with a particular, dogmatic (and in my opinion, incorrect) interpretation of Genesis b.) center your entire worldview on this interpretation c.) a priori reject geology, cosmology (the theist’s strongest argument), anthropology, etc. d.) preach dogmatically without considering any further evidence On a correlated side note, a major reason the Pharisees rejected Jesus was because of their misunderstanding of the Isaiah’s prophecy concerning John the Baptist. Perhaps, initial and unstudied interpretations are not for the best.
Further, you then speak of being “open minded” and then begin to rail against Ken Ham...How are you being open minded by doing this?
Ken Ham is not a scientist, nor does he understand science. I do not consider it unreasonable to reject his unfounded assertions.
Have you not just categorically denied any legitimacy to YEC while having just stated a sentence beforehand that it was in fact a literal interpretation of Genesis?
If there are multiple and conflicting interpretations of the same text, they both cannot be true. I believe you are literally wrong. :)Qualiatative
October 11, 2005
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I have wondered why YECs insist on interpreting Genesis as 24-hour days of creation. Wasn't the sun and moon created on the third or 4th day? Doesn't the Bible say that a thousand years is as a day for God? Isn't the word 'day' quite commonly used to mean a time period, for example, "In my grandfather's day, people had good manners." Why not see how the rabbi's interpret it? It is their Bible. My understanding is that rabbinical ideas include that passsages should be read on 3 to 4 different levels, including the most outward and obvious. Why suppose that God does not communicate on a more intricate level when people often do, and it is a mark of intelligence? Didn't the parables of Jesus contain at least 2 levels each?avocationist
October 11, 2005
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I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy articles, books and the weekly radio show by RTB, but I have found it disheartening recently to hear them critizice ID because it doesn't go far enough in pointing a finger at the God of the Bible. ID doesn't do that (though I happen to currently think it is a pointer in that general direction) nor does it claim to, nor, I think, that it ever will. If ID has a place in the Bible, it is playing some role in Romans 1:18-21, not Genesis 1 and certianly not Heb 4:14-16 or John 14:6. I hope your post here will stir up interest in the email you sent them and get the response it deserves.EdH
October 11, 2005
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Bill wrote: "Creationists want more than ID is willing to deliver and are now distancing themselves from it." The big name institutional creationists like ICR, AiG are distancing themselves from ID. That is correct. However, the younger generation of creationists, particularly those in secular academia (versus creationists in clergy) are endorsing ID. When AiG held it's 2005 YEC Mega Conference, a large segment of the attendees were clergy or evangelists of some sort, not secular scientists or engineers or physicians. The finer more scholarly small name institutional YECs are friendly to ID. The YECs at Loma Linda University (including Timothy Standish) strike me as a first rate creationist institution that is also an excellent secular institution (a medical school with a large medical staff, and a team of geo-scientists so well respected they made the cover of Geology, February 2004). David Coppage and Walter Brown (PhD,MIT) and Tom DeRosa are the best YEC scholars, are very supportive of intelligent design, but are obscure. Thankfully as well, Campus Crusade for Christ which is generally creationist friendly, strongly backs intelligent design. It should be of note Campus Crusade for Christ and InterVarsity Christian Fellowship (the major college missionary organizations) promote ID. They apparently have little to do with AiG or ICR. I view the big name institutional creationists (ICR, AiG etc.) distancing themselves from ID a healthy thing, as their dogmatism is unhealthy to the very cause they are trying to promote. As far as Rana and Ross's book, well...Nobel Laureate Richard Smalley apparently thought it was a devastating critique of naturalistic evolution. I'm thus especially sorry that RTB is distancing itself from ID. Salvador Cordovascordova
October 11, 2005
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"...theism and atheism are placed outside the bounds of experimental science. That’s just as it should be if you ask me." I'd merely add that "how it should be" is one question; how it actually is, another. It is impossible to cleanly separate experimental from theoretical science; theory plays too great a role in experimental design and technique. Therefore, if theory turns out to say, on a combination of logical and empirical grounds, that theism and atheism are within the bounds of science - or equivalently, that God or the absence of God is a necessary ingredient of "nature" (consisting of the logical and empirical content of science) - then "experimental science", which does not exist in any independent sense, will have no say on the matter. Again, science and nature are entangled in a definitional recursion which can be adapted to expanded concepts of science and nature, and it is a bit early to be passing judgment on what the extent of these concepts "should be". Otherwise, I'd say that DaveScot makes some very good points.neurode
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"Thus both theism and atheism are placed outside the bounds of experimental science. That’s just as it should be if you ask me." Excellent, this 'bigot' agrees.wmmalo
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Qualiatative, I'm not sure that the comments section of Mr. Dembski's blog is the appropriate place to try to bash YEC. Despite that, I felt your comment deserved a single response from me (and none further). You claim that YEC is an "interpretation of Genesis", and that it is not the only literal one. Actually, if you want to take things literally, YEC is precisely what you would get from reading Genesis, unless you've gone and changed the meaning of the word literal on us. Further, you then speak of being "open minded" and then begin to rail against Ken Ham (and YEC's by association) as being Pharisaical and nonsensical cowards who do not believe in truth. How are you being open minded by doing this? Have you not just categorically denied any legitimacy to YEC while having just stated a sentence beforehand that it was in fact a literal interpretation of Genesis? YEC believe that all evidence, when properly examined, will ultimately point to the true and plain words of the Bible being true. This is born not out of fear of God being falsified by "evidence", but rather out of an absolute certainty that God is in fact True and is the source of ALL Truth, and that God spoke to us through the Bible quite clearly and revealed quite plainly that the earth was made in six literal days (among many other wonderful things).arcturus
October 11, 2005
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It's wierd that creationists would distance themselves from ID, since ID is simply a superset of all theories of creationism, OEC and YEC. Some may be jealous of ID's success. Creationism => ID, but ID ~=> Creationism. However, don't be quick to write off creationists. There are more creationists supporting ID than non-creationists supporting ID. ID is a big tent; kind of like the Republican party and fiscal vs. social conservatives.anteater
October 11, 2005
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The ancient Hebrew of Genesis is wide open for interpretation. One can find any version to fit one's faith. The Masoretic Text of my Bible differs from the KJV, and all differ from the version in "In the Beginning Of" by Judah Landa, 2004. When we are dealing with a story expressed in shorthand, consonents only and accent marks, cosmology and the appearance of life can be contructed in almost any fashion in an interpretation. YEC is faith looking for a science to fit it. Old Earth Creationism of Hugh Ross is really a twisted approach trying to fit in some form of science and yet sneaking in a pre-conceived faith. All Creationism is a faith based on poor interpretation of the Hebrew. On the other hand ID is really an attempt at interpretation of scientific findings, which study an historic process. If the science of Archeology can look for design in artifacts, why can't ID look for design in the science about evolution?turell
October 11, 2005
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I think what frightens both the atheists and theists is that ID, properly defined as a scientific theory, is not just demonstrable, it's demonstrated. Unguided evolution vs. guided evolution. Has unguided evolution been demonstrated via repeatable laboratory experiment? Nope, not even close. Any objective person familiar with the issues will probably concede that no one will ever be able to duplicate any non-trivial step in phylogenetic evolution in a laboratory. On the other hand, scientists and engineers now routinely modify the genomes of living organisms through directed effort. In so doing they are in fact guiding evolution where they want it to go. Thus evolution guided by intelligent agency is proven possible in a most repeatable scientific manner. This frightens both atheists and theists. It frightens atheists because intelligently guided evolution is proven possible while unguided evolution remains outside the reach of experimental science. This frightens theists because it takes a power granted solely to an omnipotent, immortal God and places it squarely in the hands of mortal humans. Theists, however, have a fallback position. No humans have duplicated the creation of the universe in a laboratory and there isn't any live theory of how it could be accomplished. So there's still plenty of room for a, if not ominpotent at least unimaginably powerful, God. Atheists, as well, are pushed back to the same fallback position. They will always have theoretical physical multiverse models and such to explain the unguided creation of the universe. However, they'll forever be limited theoretical physics and will have lost their footing in biology. Thus both theism and atheism are placed outside the bounds of experimental science. That's just as it should be if you ask me.DaveScot
October 11, 2005
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I really enjoy Dr. Rana and Dr. Ross and like their analysis on many issues. Bill, you are right about the RTB creation model though. Look at #6. Isn't that ID in a nutshell? If Dr. Rana says ID isn't science, then the RTB model isn't science either. Anyway, I still like what RTB is doing. Let's not get into a battle with each other though. Let's focus on the task at hand.Lurker
October 11, 2005
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At a superficial glance, it looks as though certain members of the YEC and old-earth seven-day creationist communities may have grown impatient with ID theory's punctilious allowance for other design scenarios than those which they respectively favor. In addition, they may simply be tired of having to share the spotlight with the vast numbers of people who favor other cosmogonic and biogenic scenarios. In addition, one must consider the possibility that each of these camps may believe that the other played a fundamental if unspoken role in the formulation of ID theory, or even that the other silently exercises control over the ID movement...in other words, that in the political and ideological senses, ID is a front for some particular strain of Biblical creationism with which they personally disagree. This, of course, would carry a certain amount of irony. Specifically, it would suggest that some Biblical creationists have swallowed certain longstanding (and false-ringing) accusations regarding a hidden relationship between ID and Biblical creationism, despite the fact that IDT provides no special support for any particular "model" of creation (such as it may be). But this is all just speculation. The thing that really strikes me about Rana's "predictions" is he uses the phrase "inherent minimal complexity" instead of irreducible or specified complexity as the indicator of design, following up with references to unnamed "characteristics" and "properties" not explicitly related to irreducibility or specificity. From this, one might almost surmise that what we have here is a rejection of the entire basis of ID theory as currently formulated, and possibly an intent to supplant it with something else. It's an interesting if somewhat troubling question.neurode
October 11, 2005
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WormHerder, Not all IDers are Creationists. Dr. Dembski clearly distinguished between the two in his post. Furthermore, as I’ve stated earlier on this blog, the idea of a young earth is not the only literal interpretation of Genesis. Be open minded, study the text under differing hermeneutics, and pick the most coherent worldview. Imagine back in the early AD when the Pharisees rejected Jesus on the basis of their so-called “religious authority”. Now picture Ken Ham dogmatically preaching nonsense as if it were empirical science. If you believe in the truth of your God, why be afraid to follow the evidence where it leads?Qualiatative
October 11, 2005
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What's amusing is the recurring theme on Panda's Thumb that the Darwinian apologists need to muzzle the hard core atheists who are the most visible part of their movement. It's a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black with them. Positive atheism is non-science and arguably a religion. I think it should be treated as a religion in all respects - tax exemptions, protected by the freedom clause, AND equally stifled by the establishment clause. Fair is fair. When atheists get stifled like other religions I think we might see a bit looser interpretation of the establishment clause championed by the ACLU. :-) It's really the chortling by atheists claiming science as their domain and that undirected evolution is fact that is to blame for the furor. Clearly, any objective person must acknowledge that goo to zoo evolution has not been demonstrated in a laboratory. It has resisted and continues to resist all efforts to experimentally duplicate. No sign that life evolved independently anywhere else in the universe has been discovered. This situation is NOT like the theory of gravity where experimental verification is as routine and easily accomplished as falling off a log. :-) To even suggest that chance evolution and gravity are equally well proven is an insult to any intelligent listener.DaveScot
October 11, 2005
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I am a YEC, and as such, I have made a presupposition that the Bible's account of creation is correct. I don't believe that we are all closed minded, and our arguments are very defendable. If someone doesn't wish to agree with them, that is their choice. If we're honest, all sides bring to the table their assumptions about the unobservable past. It's not about science, which is observable and repeatable, but it's about the assumptions about how we got here that separates us. I applaud the ID movement, whether they hold to a creationist view or not. In my view, ID is another blow to the evolutionary theory. I also applaud ID for striving to look for design from an independent perspective. In my view, the ID movement is a steping stone towards a creationist worldview. I would also agree that RTB is very inconsistent in their views. I'm not convinced that you can hold to a Biblical view of creation, and then embrace most of evolution to support it. Where do you draw the line? If you hold to RTB's views, why not include macro evolution as well? You can always continue to twist the Bible to fit your views anyway.yechie
October 11, 2005
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I am a Creationist! There Ive said it! i belive I am here intentionally not as a accident of blind chance so in that sense I have been created, as already stated all IDers are Creationists -dare we speak that name? I think what is at issue is a literal interpretation of the Bible -loosing that places everything up for grabs -that is one reason why YEC's distance themselves from ID. Francis Schaeffer "It is essential for the truth of Christianity that the Bilble relates truth about history and the cosmos,as well as about spiritual matters". If the Bible is false in one area then it can be false elsewhere. I think the best approach is the one demonstrated by morpheusfaith.WormHerder
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I am a YEC, and I am therefore familiar with the creation-evolution debate in all of its glory. The debate is waged on multiple battlefronts - biology, cosmology, geology, geochronology, philosophy, etc. It is this pervasive struggle in almost all fields of historical science that makes it somewhat difficult to focus on one topic in particular. ID, on the other hand, concedes to cosmological history, geological history, dating methods, scientific naturalism (although NOT scientific materialism), etc. - and instead focuses all of its firepower on one issue and one issue alone: the inference of design in biology (and perhaps physics). I simply do not understand why YECs distance themselves from ID. ID is the perfect argumento ad absurdum against evolution when used within the context of Young Earth Creation. Think about it. When reading ID literature, I say to myself: "Okay. I'll concede virtually every point to the evolutionist and still demonstrate the lunacity of their theory." To be frank, it is the closed-mindedness of YECs in general that prevents them from making compelling arguments in most cases. I, on the other hand, have made a point to read the literature of other critics of orthodox theory, which includes Indian scholars (Cremo), IDists, naturalists (Arp), and even atheists (Mitchell). Just because they may align themselves with a religion/philosophy contrary to that held by most YECs does not mean that useful evidence is completely absent from their literature. On the contrary, some of the best critiques I have read have come from non-YECs. However, I have used their arguments within the context of Young Earth Creation. After all, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.morpheusfaith
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I am a YEC and I see no contradiction between YEC and ID. I think it is unfortunate that many in the ID community seek to distance themselves from YEC. http://bevets.com/evolutionlinks.htm [My point was exactly the opposite, namely, that creationists of either stripe (young-earth or old-earth) are distancing themselves from ID. --WmAD]bevets
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