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Deaths From Global Famine Caused by Locking Down World’s Economy Could Dwarf Deaths Caused by Virus

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Even the mouthpiece of the progressive movement (CNN) is waking up to a reality that was always glaringly obvious.

In this story CNN reports on a new UN report:

The world is facing multiple famines of “biblical proportions” in just a matter of months, the UN has said, warning that the coronavirus pandemic will push an additional 130 million people to the brink of starvation . . .

“While dealing with a Covid-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley told the UN’s security council. “There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of Covid-19 than from the virus itself.” . . .

When added to the 821 million people already chronically hungry, that scenario would push more than 1 billion people into dire situations. . . .

“These countries may face an excruciating trade-off between saving lives or livelihoods or, in a worst-case scenario, saving people from the coronavirus to have them die from hunger,” the report said. . . . we could be facing multiple famines of biblical proportions within a short few months.

For weeks we have been listening to the “let’s lock everyone down for 18 months crowd.” And when anyone pushes back they have responded with a smug air of moral superiority that they are on the side of life and anyone who disagrees with them is just a money-grubbing bastard.

As I have said before, the response to the virus has never been a discrete choice between saving lives and saving the economy. Burning the world’s economy has a price in lives. Now even the most liberal of liberals are starting to wake up to the fact that the choice has never been so simple. Lives will be lost no matter what we do. The terrible choice we must make is between which policy decision will result in the fewest lives lost.

And if even 20% of those additional 130 million people pushed to the brink of starvation actually go over the brink, the death toll would be 26 million, far more than even the most dire estimates of deaths from the virus.

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BA, once the mind is rationally credible, it must be significantly free. That means it cannot be wholly explained on computation on a material substrate. On pain of self-referential incoherence about rationality. KFkairosfocus
April 25, 2020
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MS must believe the laws of physics do not exist, since they cannot exist without intelligence to put them in place. He calls anyone who believes in ID is an idiot, in his own words, yet he is the one drooling at the altar of Darwin. Darwinists are not particularly bright people. They suspend science for magic.BobRyan
April 24, 2020
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he certainly has no idea about how the mind works.
And you do? Pray tell us. If you do, we will dedicate an entire post to singing your praises when you are collecting your prize in Stockholm.Barry Arrington
April 24, 2020
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MS, pardon, your ill-informed contempt is showing and is rather unflattering when we ponder say GPuccio and other medical practitioners. But then, the fundamental challenge you face is that for nearly seventy years we have had good reason to know that in the heart of cell based life is DNA, an alphanumerical coded molecule that in key part stores algorithmic information. That is, language and manifest purpose. Where, language is as strong a sign of design as material causal factor as anything. KFkairosfocus
April 24, 2020
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Some more on Eric Pianka and the current situation: "Pianka ... posted a statement on his University of Texas website that said in part: I have two grandchildren and I want them to inherit a stable Earth. But I fear for them. Humans have overpopulated the Earth and in the process have created an ideal nutritional substrate on which bacteria and viruses (microbes) will grow and prosper. We are behaving like bacteria growing on an agar plate, flourishing until natural limits are reached or until another microbe colonizes and takes over, using them as their resource. In addition to our extremely high population density, we are social and mobile, exactly the conditions that favor growth and spread of pathogenic (disease-causing) microbes. I believe it is only a matter of time until microbes once again assert control over our population, since we are unwilling to control it ourselves. This idea has been espoused by ecologists for at least four decades and is nothing new. People just don't want to hear it. I do not bear any ill will toward people. However, I am convinced that the world, including all humanity, WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us. Simply stopping the destruction of rainforests would help mediate some current planetary ills, including the release of previously unknown pathogens. The ancient Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times" comes to mind – we are living in one of the most interesting times humans have ever experienced. For example, consider the manifold effects of global warming. We need to make a transition to a sustainable world. If we don't, nature is going to do it for us in ways of her own choosing. By definition, these ways will not be ours and they won't be much fun. Think about that. As a consequence of the controversy, Pianka and members of the Texas Academy of Science received death threats. According to Pianka, his daughters were worried about his and their safety, and his life had been "turned upside-down by 'right-wing fools'."" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Pianka So a very distinguished Professor (read the Wikipedia article for details) gives a pretty standard speech telling us what is going to happen if we don't change our ways* and he, his daughters and other members of the Texas Academy of Science receive death threats. That's ID_Science(tm) at its best! * Sounds like Jesus.MatSpirit
April 24, 2020
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I couldn't care less what a physician things about the design inference, except I would avoid him if I can because I don't like or trust idiots. You have on this very blog a prime example of a physician, a brain surgeon even, who believes in the design inference. I've read about a megabyte of his writings here and he makes blunder after blunder. I presume he operates on brains for mechanical defects because he certainly has no idea about how the mind works.MatSpirit
April 24, 2020
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EG, irrelevant and invidious, where in fact as a point of note insofar as someone demonically insane enough to be or attempt to be a mass murderer is concerned and can be allocated to an ideological rather than a degree of demonised insanity spectrum , a significant number have in fact come from the left side of the political spectrum, including in the USA. Some of these used guns, others bombs. Sadly, some commanded states, secret police and armies. Also, it is fairly easy to show that the NSDAP was the national socialist german workers party, and more.When it comes to doctors, not a few have become murderers, IIRC including one of the most prolific contributors to the original OED. Such is irrelevant to the fact that any number of medical doctors and medical researchers accept the validity of the design inference. KFkairosfocus
April 24, 2020
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Even, among physicians. KF
One of the physicians I know of that supports ID also claims that all mass shooters are Democrats.Ed George
April 24, 2020
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Based on CDC numbers, 39% of New York's population have had the COVID-19 virus. This means that 7.5 million New Yorkers were infected; New Yorkers have a 0.1% chance of dying from COVID. IOW, it's no worse than the flu even though NY suffered the worst outbreak! Fauci and the globalist left are lying to us about the severity of this outbreak. They've crippled the world's economy for no other reason than grabbing more power for their one-world globalist goals. It's evil. https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU?t=425FourFaces
April 24, 2020
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MS, no true Sassenach. besides, more scientists agree with the design inference on observable, reliable signs than you think. Even, among physicians. KFkairosfocus
April 24, 2020
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So where were the ID_Scientists(tm)? Answer: They don't exist.MatSpirit
April 24, 2020
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"Lucky for all of us that we had ID_Science(tm) to step in and save the day!" We didn't. We had incompetent establishment stuffed labcoats giving us scrolling body counts on TV. Way to go establishment. Thanks for all the help. Andrewasauber
April 24, 2020
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I seem to remember that, according to the OT, God did His fair share of population-thinning on occasion. Maybe this is all His doing and we shouldn't be interfering as anything He does is in our best interests.Seversky
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9 asauber April 24, 2020 at 7:06 am "Ironically, establishment science has helplessly overseen the worst virus breakout ever known and the streets are strewn with dead bodies due to establishment scientists incompetence. " Lucky for all of us that we had ID_Science(tm) to step in and save the day! Unfortunately, I missed actually seeing you guys saving the world. What exactly did you guys do besides whine and print massive quantities of gibberish? (I'm looking at you, KF and BA77. Barry, you're going to have to start working on your quantity if you expect to score in this league. Don't worry about what the words actually say, just make sure each post is at least a half megabyte long.) By the way, does anybody remember Dembski and the Eric Pianka Affair? Pianka was accepting the Texas Academy of Science's Distinguished Texas Scientist Award back in 2006. In his speech, he described some of the things that would happen to us if we overpopulated the world. Mainly plagues and diseases, although there was a little starvation thrown in. This greatly distressed a guy named Forrest Mims and Mims confided in Dembski. On April 2, 2006, Dembski stated on this very blog that he had reported Pianka (the Distinguished Texas Scientist, remember) to Homeland Security. And here we are just 14 years later, enveloped in plague and talking about the coming starvation. That's ID_Science(tm) at its best.MatSpirit
April 24, 2020
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What's even funnier is we have our regular trolls touting the grisly failure of their tribe. I can't stop laughing. Andrewasauber
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Truthfreedom, Ironically, establishment science has helplessly overseen the worst virus breakout ever known and the streets are strewn with dead bodies due to establishment scientists incompetence. Andrewasauber
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Wait, was not 'Science' going to save us from all forms of suffering? To make us invincible and forever young with unending erections? Oh. Wait. Reality check.Truthfreedom
April 24, 2020
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It isn't just the global food supply that will lead to mass starvation in the world, but also the suicides that have already occurred and will continue to occur. When people hear nothing but doom and gloom, people lose hope. The global economy has been crashed and people have no idea if they have a job waiting for them when the lockdowns come to an end. That will lead to more suicides. People need a release for their stress and in many places, that release has been taken away. They cannot go to a bar to relax, or whatever else they do, which means the pressure builds to an unhealthy level. There has been an increase in spousal and child abuse. None of these matter to socialists. The ends will always justify the means. There are police states in the United States, which is what they want. They care nothing about misery and suffering, only empowering governments.BobRyan
April 24, 2020
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The important comparison is that the deaths caused by this virus were expected to happen this year. Those people were already out of action, already in the medical system. This special branded flu is simply taking over deaths from generic flu or other diseases. Cornering the market of regular customers, but not adding new customers. Deaths caused by the state of siege are NOT expected deaths, not rebranded deaths. The siege kills people who are active and producing and reproducing.polistra
April 24, 2020
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BA, This is an example of why Economics has been called the dismal science:
the response to the virus has never been a discrete choice between saving lives and saving the economy. Burning the world’s economy has a price in lives. Now even the most liberal of liberals are starting to wake up to the fact that the choice has never been so simple. Lives will be lost no matter what we do. The terrible choice we must make is between which policy decision will result in the fewest lives lost.
Ponder the challenges faced by a policy-maker facing such a choice, with its implications (including, an implied price of a life). Then, multiply by a deeply polarised, irresponsible political and media culture. Does that picture sound familiar? KFkairosfocus
April 23, 2020
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Ed, you say we are likely to see an increase in diet related health issues. True. But the problem will not be starvation. It will be increased levels of obesity. The connection between obesity and poverty in the US has been long-noted. This is a problem, to be sure. But is a problem of a wholly different magnitude than mass starvation. It is a problem of choices, not of circumstances. BTW, it is not true that poorer people have no affordable healthy food choices. They just tend not to make them. Barry Arrington
April 23, 2020
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Barry, possibly not starve, but higher prices force those at the lowest poverty levels to make decisions. And, sadly, the cheapest and most filling foods are usually the least nutritious. We may not see starvation, but we are likely to see an increase in diet related health issues.Ed George
April 23, 2020
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Ed, you make a fair point that closing down the supply of migrant workers in the US will surely impact the food supply. But in the US that likely means that prices will go up. It is unlikely anyone will will starve in this country. The real impact in terms of lives lost will be in the developing world, as the UN reports warns.Barry Arrington
April 23, 2020
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Barry, I think this is only the tip of the iceberg. A large part of our agriculture system relies on migrant workers to get crops in the field and harvested. Migrant workers that are not allowed to cross borders.Ed George
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