Does this make sense? We cannot even define life, but still …

7 Replies to “Does this make sense? We cannot even define life, but still …”

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   Robert Sheldon says:

   February 3, 2014 at 5:19 pm

   We are trying to do far too many things at once with these definitions. Life doesn’t have to evolve to be life, for the simple reason that “liveness” is determined on a timescale of seconds to minutes (or possibly hours), whereas evolution is defined on a timescale of millennia to aeons.

   I think intuitively we can tell the difference between a live dog and and a dead one pretty easily, or the difference between a live spider and a rubber one. In fact, we need to make this distinction pretty rapidly just to survive and swat mosquitos, for example.

   So no, this is difficulty with defining life isn’t really a semantic or comprehension difficulty, its a philosophical difficulty. It gets in the way of promoting Darwinism, OOL, and abortion, for example. And that’s what all the contortions are about–attempts to find definitions that promote all one’s favorite philosphies and detract from one’s enemies. The best definition of all is “Life is what I say it is and not what everyone else falsely claims.”

   Now that we’ve settled this definition, can we get on with the question of how OOL occurred and perhaps when?
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   Joe says:

   February 3, 2014 at 5:39 pm

   So biologists don’t know what they are studying?
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   Axel says:

   February 3, 2014 at 6:52 pm

   The absolute presumption that those blind jackanapes should try to include the subtlest works of the spirit of God within their gross and pedantic study, made all the more clumsy as a result of their ‘a priori’ prejudice against the more subtle truths of the non-material world, beggars belief. Utterly disgusting.
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   Joe says:

   February 3, 2014 at 8:25 pm

   Living organism:

   1- Must contain a genome (Yockey)

   2- Must be able to reproduce or have come from reproduction

   3- Response to stimuli (yes plants respond to stimuli)

   4- metabolism

   5- Growth

   6- composed of one or more cells

   7- adaptation

   8- homeostasis
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   bornagain77 says:

   February 3, 2014 at 8:48 pm

   Funny that Darwinists look for life in a Theory that is infused with killing and death. Natural Selection supposedly creates by killing off the weak and unfit. Random mutations, which are falsely appealed to as a great creative engine that knows no bounds are, in reality, at the bottom of thousands of genetic disorders, diseases, and even, ultimately our own personal aging and death.

   Genetic Entropy – Dr. John Sanford – Evolution vs. Reality
   https://vimeo.com/35088933

   *3 new mutations every time a cell divides in your body
   * Average cell of 15 year old has up to 6000 mutations
   *Average cell of 60 year old has 40,000 mutations
   Reproductive cells are ‘designed’ so that, early on in development, they are ‘set aside’ and thus they do not accumulate mutations as the rest of the cells of our bodies do. Regardless of this protective barrier against the accumulation of slightly detrimental mutations still we find that,,,
   *60-175 mutations are passed on to each new generation.

   This following video brings the point personally home to us about the effects of genetic entropy:

   Aging Process – 85 years in 40 seconds – video
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A91Fwf_sMhk

   If Darwinists really want a definition for life that actually works, why don’t they ask the one who overcame death? He just might have a clue!

   John 1:4
   In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

   Notes:

   The absorbed energy in the Shroud body image formation appears as contributed by discrete values – Giovanni Fazio, Giuseppe Mandaglio – 2008
   Excerpt: This result means that the optical density distribution,, can not be attributed at the absorbed energy described in the framework of the classical physics model. It is, in fact, necessary to hypothesize a absorption by discrete values of the energy where the ‘quantum’ is equal to the one necessary to yellow one fibril.
   http://cab.unime.it/journals/i.....802004/271

   “It is not a continuum or spherical-front radiation that made the image, as visible or UV light. It is not the X-ray radiation that obeys the one over R squared law that we are so accustomed to in medicine. It is more unique. It is suggested that the image was formed when a high-energy particle struck the fiber and released radiation within the fiber at a speed greater that the local speed of light. Since the fiber acts as a light pipe, this energy moved out through the fiber until it encountered an optical discontinuity, then it slowed to the local speed of light and dispersed. The fact that the pixels don’t fluoresce suggests that the conversion to their now brittle dehydrated state occurred instantly and completely so no partial products remain to be activated by the ultraviolet light. This suggests a quantum event where a finite amount of energy transferred abruptly. The fact that there are images front and back suggests the radiating particles were released along the gravity vector. The radiation pressure may also help explain why the blood was “lifted cleanly” from the body as it transformed to a resurrected state.”
   Kevin Moran, optical engineer

   Scientists say Turin Shroud is supernatural – December 2011
   Excerpt: After years of work trying to replicate the colouring on the shroud, a similar image has been created by the scientists.
   However, they only managed the effect by scorching equivalent linen material with high-intensity ultra violet lasers, undermining the arguments of other research, they say, which claims the Turin Shroud is a medieval hoax.
   Such technology, say researchers from the National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development (Enea), was far beyond the capability of medieval forgers, whom most experts have credited with making the famous relic.
   “The results show that a short and intense burst of UV directional radiation can colour a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin,” they said.
   And in case there was any doubt about the preternatural degree of energy needed to make such distinct marks, the Enea report spells it out: “This degree of power cannot be reproduced by any normal UV source built to date.”
   http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....79512.html

   THE EVENT HORIZON (Space-Time Singularity) OF THE SHROUD OF TURIN. – Isabel Piczek – Particle Physicist
   Excerpt: We have stated before that the images on the Shroud firmly indicate the total absence of Gravity. Yet they also firmly indicate the presence of the Event Horizon. These two seemingly contradict each other and they necessitate the past presence of something more powerful than Gravity that had the capacity to solve the above paradox.
   http://shroud3d.com/findings/i.....-formation

   Particle Radiation from the Body – July 2012 – M. Antonacci, A. C. Lind
   Excerpt: The Shroud’s frontal and dorsal body images are encoded with the same amount of intensity, independent of any pressure or weight from the body. The bottom part of the cloth (containing the dorsal image) would have born all the weight of the man’s supine body, yet the dorsal image is not encoded with a greater amount of intensity than the frontal image. Radiation coming from the body would not only explain this feature, but also the left/right and light/dark reversals found on the cloth’s frontal and dorsal body images.
   http://www.academicjournals.or.....onacci.pdf

   ’2nd face’ on Shroud points to supernatural origin – April 2010
   Excerpt: The researchers, in other words, found a “doubly superficial” face image on both the front and back sides such that “if a cross-section of the fabric is made, one extremely superficial image appears above and one below, but there is nothing in the middle.”
   The shroud, therefore, they concluded, was not created by paint soaking through the linen or by a photographic image printing through to the reverse side, because the front and back facial images are not identical and the center fibers show no image creation whatsoever.
   Fanti and Maggiolo concluded the shroud image was created by a “corona discharge,” understood as a radiant burst of light and energy that scorched the body image of the crucified man on the topmost fibers of the shroud’s front and back sides, without producing any image on the centermost of its linen fibers.
   “Imagine slicing a human hair lengthwise, from end to end, into 100 long thin slices; each slice one-tenth the width of a single red blood cell,” writes Daniel Porter, editor of ShroudStory.com. “The images on the Shroud of Turin, at their thickest, are this thin.”
   Fanti and Maggiolo found the faint image of the face on the reverse side of the shroud contained the same 3-D information contained in the face and body image of the crucified man seen on the shroud’s front side.
   http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/146689/

   Strange! Humans Glow in Visible Light – Charles Q. Choi – July 22, 2009
   Schematic illustration of experimental setup that found the human body, especially the face, emits visible light in small quantities that vary during the day. B is one fo the test subjects. The other images show the weak emissions of visible light during totally dark conditions. The chart corresponds to the images and shows how the emissions varied during the day. The last image (I) is an infrared image of the subject showing heat emissions.
   http://www.livescience.com/779.....light.html

   Photocount distribution of photons emitted from three sites of a human body – 2006
   Excerpt: Signals from three representative sites of low, intermediate and high intensities are selected for further analysis. Fluctuations in these signals are measured by the probabilities of detecting different numbers of photons in a bin. The probabilities have non-classical features and are well described by the signal in a quantum squeezed state of photons. Measurements with bins of three sizes yield same values of three parameters of the squeezed state.
   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16520060

   Genesis 2:7
   “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

   Exodus 34:29-30:
   “Moses didn’t realize as he came back down the mountain with the tablets that his face glowed from being in the presence of God. Because of this radiance upon his face, Aaron and the people of Israel were afraid to come near him.”

   Matthew 17:1-2
   After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
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   bornagain77 says:

   February 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm

   I suggest, if scientists want to find the source for the supernatural, ‘Quantum’, light which made the “3D – photographic negative” image on the Shroud, then they should look to the thousands of documented Near-Death Experiences (NDE’s) in Judeo-Christian cultures. It is in their testimonies that you will find mention of an indescribably bright ‘Light’ or ‘Being of Light’ who is always described as being of a much brighter intensity of light than the people had ever seen before.

   “Suddenly, I was enveloped in this brilliant golden light. The light was more brilliant that the light emanating from the sun, many times more powerful and radiant than the sun itself. Yet, I was not blinded by it nor burned by it. Instead, the light was a source of energy that embraced my being.”
   Ned Dougherty “To Heaven and Back” pg. 71 – Mary C. Neal MD

   Near Death Experience – The Tunnel, The Light, The Life Review – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4200200/

   “The Light was brighter than hundreds of suns, but it did not hurt my eyes. I had never seen anything as luminous or as golden as this Light, and I immediately understood it was entirely composed of love, all directed at me. This wonderful, vibrant love was very personal, as you might describe secular love, but also sacred.
   Though I had never seen God, I recognized this light as the Light of God. But even the word God seemed too small to describe the magnificence of that presence. I was with my Creator, in holy communication with that presence. The Light was directed at me and through me; it surrounded me and pierced me. It existed just for me.” –
   testimony from Kimberly Clark Sharp’s Near Death Experience
   http://www.near-death.com/sharp.html

   Of note to the integrity of NDE testimonies;

   Near-Death Experiences: Putting a Darwinist’s Evidentiary Standards to the Test – Dr. Michael Egnor – October 15, 2012
   Excerpt: Indeed, about 20 percent of NDE’s are corroborated, which means that there are independent ways of checking about the veracity of the experience. The patients knew of things that they could not have known except by extraordinary perception — such as describing details of surgery that they watched while their heart was stopped, etc. Additionally, many NDE’s have a vividness and a sense of intense reality that one does not generally encounter in dreams or hallucinations.,,,
   The most “parsimonious” explanation — the simplest scientific explanation — is that the (Near Death) experience was real. Tens of millions of people have had such experiences. That is tens of millions of more times than we have observed the origin of species (or origin of life), which is never.,,,
   The materialist reaction, in short, is unscientific and close-minded. NDE’s show fellows like Coyne at their sneering unscientific irrational worst. Somebody finds a crushed fragment of a fossil and it’s earth-shaking evidence. Tens of million of people have life-changing spiritual experiences and it’s all a big yawn.
   Note: Dr. Egnor is professor and vice-chairman of neurosurgery at the State University of New York at Stony Brook.
   http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....65301.html

   “A recent analysis of several hundred cases showed that 48% of near-death experiencers reported seeing their physical bodies from a different visual perspective. Many of them also reported witnessing events going on in the vicinity of their body, such as the attempts of medical personnel to resuscitate them (Kelly et al., 2007).”
   Kelly, E. W., Greyson, B., & Kelly, E. F. (2007). Unusual experiences near death and related phenomena. In E. F. Kelly, E. W. Kelly, A. Crabtree, A. Gauld, M. Grosso, & B. Greyson, Irreducible mind (pp. 367-421). Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield.

   Even though the atheistic researchers in this following study found evidence directly contradicting what they had expected to find for Near Death Experiences, they were/are so wedded to the materialistic/naturalistic view of reality, the view of “I’ am my body”, that it seems sadly impossible for them to even conceive of the fact that they may be wrong in their naturalistic presuppositions, and to even admit to the possibility of the reality/truth of the soul, i.e. to the “I’ am a soul distinct from my body” view of reality.

   ‘Afterlife’ feels ‘even more real than real,’ researcher says – Wed April 10, 2013
   Excerpt: “If you use this questionnaire … if the memory is real, it’s richer, and if the memory is recent, it’s richer,” he said.
   The coma scientists weren’t expecting what the tests revealed.
   “To our surprise, NDEs were much richer than any imagined event or any real event of these coma survivors,” Laureys reported.
   The memories of these experiences beat all other memories, hands down, for their vivid sense of reality. “The difference was so vast,” he said with a sense of astonishment.
   Even if the patient had the experience a long time ago, its memory was as rich “as though it was yesterday,” Laureys said.
   http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/.....periences/

   Verse and Music:

   Revelation 3:20
   Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

   Natalie Grant – Alive (Resurrection music video)
   Lyric “Death has lost and Love has won!”
   http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=KPYWPGNX
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   Eric Anderson says:

   February 5, 2014 at 2:30 pm

   Robert Sheldon: “Life doesn’t have to evolve to be life . . .”

   Exactly. Anyone who defines life in terms of evolution is guilty of circular reasoning and their definition can immediately be ignored as faulty.