Engineering and Metaphysics Conference – Last Week for Early Bird Discount

_{Jonathan Bartlett

November 9, 2011

Intelligent Design}

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For those attending next year’s Engineering and Metaphysics conference, this is the last week for the early bird discount. For those interested, the Engineering and Metaphysics conference brings together how the larger pictures of humanity and reality affect engineering decisions. For those in the ID movement, this might include some aspects of applied Intelligent Design. For more details and registration information, see the conference website:

http://www.eandm2012.com/

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Humorous Engineering flowchart; http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/316885_301677113193681_100000541840359_1150283_921337669_n.jpgbornagain77_{November 11, 2011
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johnnyb: "Wow - What did you think . . " ==== I think that is the very problem right there. He didn't!!! ==== Graham: "To eocene: Im also curious about ‘applied ID’. Could you provide an example ?" ==== How would you apply the concept of intelligently designing anything graham ??? Let's take a look at the beginning of any project. Applying the use of an intelligent mind in thinking, planning, devising, meditating is not only a necessity, but a requirement. No matter what the dogma justification. Luke 14:28-30 New Living Translation (NLT) (28) “But don’t begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if there is enough money to finish it? (29) Otherwise, you might complete only the foundation before running out of money, and then everyone would laugh at you. (30) They would say, ‘There’s the person who started that building and couldn’t afford to finish it!’ ***** Now, you don't want to be laughed at , do you Graham ???Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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Wow - that was at the end, so you must have read the whole thing, then! What did you think of the conception of Irreducible Complexity that I was outlining, then?johnnyb_{November 9, 2011
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I followed the 1st link and in your paper read the following: both the giraffe and the okapi diverged from their common ancestral pair on Noah’s ArkGraham_{November 9, 2011
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Graham - see the links I posted in reply to jellojohnnyb_{November 9, 2011
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To eocene: Im also curious about 'applied ID'. Could you provide an example ?Graham_{November 9, 2011
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As Alan Dershowitz and the New Film Alleged Remind Us, at the Heart of the Scopes "Monkey" Trial Was a Very Scary Book http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/11/as_alan_dershowitz_reminds_us052741.htmlbornagain77_{November 9, 2011
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OT:
"Alleged, pt. 2: Debunking the Biggest Myths about the Scopes Trial" http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/2011-11-09T11_01_12-08_00
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Jello - First of all, if you want to know, you should come find out! Several UD'ers are presenting at the conference. It is not an ID-specific conference, but applied Intelligent Design is within its scope. However, for a real answer to your question, you can take a look at my previous articles on the subject: Applied ID Part 1 Applied ID Part 2 A Critique of Nonreductive Physicalism (a longer paper, but includes ID concepts and shows how they can be applied to cognitive modeling)johnnyb_{November 9, 2011
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Jello: "I can only assume English is not your first language so I’ll just leave the question open for others" ==== Then the others can assume that TRUTH comprehesion isn't exactly up your alley either when religious bias trumps over evidence of Lab Coated Evolutionists examples of hijacking I.D. concepts and attaching Bearded Buddha signage all over the place so as to create illusion as opposed to reality ???Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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So, being unable to think of any practical ID applications = BLIND FAITH? I can only assume English is not your first language so I'll just leave the question open for others: What is applied intelligent design? Do the concepts of complex specified information and irreducible complexity have any practical application?Jello_{November 9, 2011
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Jello 'The Closet IDiot' said: "I can’t think of any practical applications of either Dembski’s concept of complex specified information, or Behe’s idea of irreducible complexity." ==== That's called BLIND FAITH Jello! That qualifies you as one of the most religious people on these boards.Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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I’ll let Stephen Meyers answer your question on the failed to prove blind chance undirected without purpose or intended goals evolution experiment without the use of manipulative intelligent fingerprints of Gerald Joyce:
I never even asked about "the failed to prove blind chance...etc...etc". It is irrelevant to the question. My question was and still is: What is applied intelligent design? I can’t think of any practical applications of either Dembski’s concept of complex specified information, or Behe’s idea of irreducible complexity.Jello_{November 9, 2011
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Joseph: "Jello, "They DESIGNED the molecules (RNAs) they used." ==== "Just Add Water and Bake for 90 Seconds" Here's more from Stephen Meyer on the failed to prove undirected processes by Jack Szostak and the gang who used their collective intelligence to engineer just what they think "Natural Selection" would look like in RNA-World by using their collective intelligent imaginations: [ "Leading ribozyme engineers such as Jack Szostak and David Bartel have presented these results as support for an undirected process of chemical evolution starting in an RNA world. Popular scientific publications and textbooks have often heralded these experiments as models for understanding the origin of life on earth and as the leading edge of research establishing the possibility of evolving an artificial form of life in a test tube. Yet these claims have an obvious flaw. Ribozyme engineers tend to overlook the role that their own intelligence has played in enhancing the functional capacities of their RNA catalysts. ... RNA-world advocates envision ligases evolving via undirected processes into RNA polymerases that can replicate themselves from freestanding bases, thereby establishing the conditions for the beginning of natural selection. In other words, these experiments attempt to simulate a transition that, according to the RNA-world hypothesis, would have taken place before natural selection had begun to operate. Yet in order to improve the function of the ligase molecules, the experiments actually simulate what natural selection does. ... But what could have accomplished these tasks before the first replicator molecule had evolved? Szostak and his colleagues do not say. They certainly cannot say that natural selection played this role, since the origin of natural selection as a process depends on the prior origin of the self-replicating molecule that Szostak and his colleagues are working so hard to design. ... [E]ngineers perform a role in simulating natural selection that undirected natural processes cannot play prior to the commencement of natural selection." ] (Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, pp. 319-321 (HarperOne, 2009).) Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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Jello, They DESIGNED the molecules (RNAs) they used.Joseph_{November 9, 2011
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Jello: "You offered Gerald Joyce as an example of somebody using applied intelligent design. However according to their website they are doing no such thing." ==== Why would this be a surprize to you ??? Did you actually read and observe all of the intelligent cheating that they employ in almost everything they accomplish ??? The ONLY evolution is the concocted storytelling of RNA-World fables which were never once proven in any of his experiments. Again, why would such cheating get a free pass for you ??? Oh, that's right. He's doing it for the correct worldview. ---- "Can you identify where Joyce et al are applying the concepts of CSI and IC in their work?" ==== I'll let Stephen Meyers answer your question on the failed to prove blind chance undirected without purpose or intended goals evolution experiment without the use of manipulative intelligent fingerprints of Gerald Joyce: [ "Even the experiments of Gerald Joyce that Wade describes do not address this problem. The "self-replicating" RNA molecules that Joyce constructs are not capable of copying a template of information from free standing chemical subunits as the polymerase machinery does in actual cells. Instead, in Joyce's experiment, a pre-synthesized specifically-sequenced RNA molecule merely catalyzes a single chemical bond, thus fusing two other pre-synthesized partial RNA chains. More significantly, Joyce intelligently arranged the matching base sequences in these RNA chains. Thus, as my forthcoming book Signature in the Cell shows, Joyce's experiments not only demonstrate that self-replication itself depends upon information-rich molecules, but they also confirm that intelligent design is the only known means by which information arises." ] ----- "If you cannot then you really ought to retract your accusations that they are “cheating and lying about it”. ==== Seriously Mate, you've got to get a clue. Why should I retract statements showing Gerald Joyce's inability to prove Chaos as an unintelligent director of lucky events when he rigged the filthy experiment from front to back with his own purposed goal driven intelligent designing fingerprints and that of his white Lab Coated collectives ???Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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You offered Gerald Joyce as an example of somebody using applied intelligent design. However according to their website they are doing no such thing. Can you identify where Joyce et al are applying the concepts of CSI and IC in their work? If you cannot then you really ought to retract your accusations that they are "cheating and lying about it".Jello_{November 9, 2011
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Jello: "This is from Joyce Laboratory’s website…." [ 'Welcome to our laboratory, where chemists and biologist work together to understand how Darwinian evolution at the molecular level helps to shape the living world.' ] "I’m assuming it’s the same Gerald Joyce to which you refer. There is nothing there to suggest that Joyce is utilising the concepts of CSI or IC." ==== ASSUME ??? This is what Gerald Joyce, Jack Szostak and others actually bank on. That, rather than doing your own intelligent homework, you assume they know what they are talking about when presenting their gut felt version of evolution from the "Warm Little Pond" under the guise and smokescreen of intelligent designing concepts, which would actually be cheating and lying about it. None of them[Joyce, Szostak, etc] has ever once presented a possible dirt watching experiment where by we all may observe how magnetism and voltage manipulate the sterile contents inside of a glass enclosure to accomplish that magical mythical, "It's a Small World After All" RNA-World fantasy. By actually employing the priori concepts of blind pointless pitiless indifferent unpurposed unguided conditions of a supposed primitive Earth, we could be able to see for our very eyes just how such blind undirected processes actually worked to accomplish what we all only relate to which is that ONLY Intelligent Design accomplishing anything. Bottomline ??? Don't allow yourself to be taken as jello for brains.Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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Think in terms of practical application. What practical application could mankind derive from Intelligent Design.
I don't know, hence the question. I can't think of any practical applications of either Dembski's concept of complex specified information, or Behe's idea of irreducible complexity.
This has already been accomplished multiple times over.
I'm unaware of any examples.
Take Gerald Joyce for an example.
This is from Joyce Laboratory's website....
Welcome to our laboratory, where chemists and biologist work together to understand how Darwinian evolution at the molecular level helps to shape the living world.
I'm assuming it's the same Gerald Joyce to which you refer. There is nothing there to suggest that Joyce is utilising the concepts of CSI or IC.Jello_{November 9, 2011
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Jello: "Applied Intelligent Design? What’s that?" ==== Think in terms of practical application. What practical application could mankind derive from Intelligent Design. This has already been accomplished multiple times over. Take Gerald Joyce for an example. Though the term "applied" often is hijacked by Evolutionists like those in NASA who developed their intelligently designed Algorithms Program and they then proceeded to give credit to their invisible animist nature god "Evolution", it was actually something intelligently designed. No applications of blind pointless indifference without purpose or intent have ever been utilized in anything worthwhile.Eocene_{November 9, 2011
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Applied Intelligent Design? What's that?Jello_{November 9, 2011
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