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So claims a recent book, Arrival of the Fittest, by Andreas Wagner, professor of evolutionary biology at U Zurich in Switzerland (also associated with the Santa Fe Institute). He lectures worldwide and is a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Sciences.

From the book announcement:

Can random mutations over a mere 3.8 billion years solely be responsible for wings, eyeballs, knees, camouflage, lactose digestion, photosynthesis, and the rest of nature’s creative marvels? And if the answer is no, what is the mechanism that explains evolution’s speed and efficiency?

In Arrival of the Fittest, renowned evolutionary biologist Andreas Wagner draws on over fifteen years of research to present the missing piece in Darwin’s theory. Using experimental and computational technologies that were heretofore unimagined, he has found that adaptations are not just driven by chance, but by a set of laws that allow nature to discover new molecules and mechanisms in a fraction of the time that random variation would take.

From a review (which is careful to note that it is not a religious argument):

The question “how does nature innovate?” often elicits a succinct but unsatisfying response – random mutations. Andreas Wagner first illustrates why random mutations alone cannot be the cause of innovations – the search space for innovations, be it at the level of genes, protein, or metabolic reactions is too large that makes the probability of stumbling upon all the innovations needed to make a little fly (let alone humans) too low to have occurred within the time span the universe has been around.

He then shows some of the fundamental hidden principles that can actually make innovations possible for natural selection to then select and preserve those innovations.

Like interacting parallel worlds, this would be momentous news if it is true. But someone is going to have to read the book and assess the strength of the laws advanced.

One thing for sure, if an establishment figure can safely write this kind of thing, Darwin’s theory is coming under more serious fire than ever. But we knew, of course, when Nature published an article on the growing dissent within the ranks about Darwinism.

In origin of life research, there has long been a law vs. chance controversy. For example, Does nature just “naturally” produce life? vs. Maybe if we throw enough models at the origin of life… some of them will stick?

Note: You may have to apprise your old schoolmarm that Darwin’s theory* is “natural selection acting on random mutations,” not “evolution” in general. It is the only theory that claims sheer randomness can lead to creativity, in conflict with information theory. See also: Being as Communion.

*(or neo-Darwinism, or whatever you call what the Darwin-in-the-schools lobby is promoting or Evolution Sunday is celebrating).*

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Fair enough Keith but you brought it up.... by taking a stab at me having to go sleep....Andre
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It isn't the middle of the night, Andre. There are places other than the East Coast in America, you know.keith s
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Thornton You insulted Denyse, for that good riddance...... You don't get invited to someone's house and then crap on their couch and get to complain about the smell. Serves you right.Andre
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It is morning 07:48 to be exact, you know there are are places in the world other than America right? The earth is round and spins on its own axis giving us 24 hours split in dark and light. "Let us seperate light from darkness" But why are you arguing about things that we can't know in the middle of the night? Should you not be spending your night time next to loved ones?Andre
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Andre
And Thornton was banned for insulting Dense, serves him right, I’d say good riddance because he was searching for truth as much as a shark desires to become a vegeterian
Thank you Andre for keeping your word about no more insults. Did you figure I couldn't reply so you took a last cheap shot? Mighty Christian of you. For the record I never insulted Denyse. My comment was directed solely to the author of the comment I quoted. Not to Denyse, not to anyone else at UD. To be honest I'm not surprised the censorship and banning have started again. ID-Creationism has never been able to stand up to the slightest scientific scrutiny. The only way you guys ever feel good about yourselves is hiding here in your protected little cubby hole telling each other how smart you are. I see now why you and the others won't venture out to places like TSZ or ATBC. You wouldn't last a week on a board with scientifically knowledgeable posters expecting you to defend the ID Creationist idiocy.Thorton
October 31, 2014
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Andre, Perhaps if you sleep on it you'll be less confused in the morning.keith s
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When I said that individuals are more important I mean to say is this; For the theist individuals are more important because they were created by God and will live eternally. For the materialist the individual only lives for about 70 years and that groups, nations and civilazations are more important. That is the one big difference in our policy, and it shows in our practical proposals.Andre
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Keith S Why are you qouting words form a book of a God that don't exist? Secondly you did not understand what I was pointing out. Lastly I can't believe you because you don't even believe yourself.Andre
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Keith S I have and since you've concluded that we can't know that we can know why should I believe what you say?Andre
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Andre:
There is the difference between the materialist and theist right there…….. For the materialist groups are more important than individuals but for the theist individuals are more important, this one big difference runs through their whole policy.
It runs through their whole policy, eh?
All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. Acts 2:44-47, NIV
And:
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. Acts 4:32-35, NIV
keith s
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Andre, Slow down and think it through.keith s
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Believe*Andre
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Keith S I know for a fact that you don't be live yourself....... We can't know that we can know? Seriously you are a voice of reason? Thanks for the laugh buddy, this Saturday is gonna be great because now I know with absolute certainty that you are 100% foolish.Andre
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Phoodoo, Wagner is a very fine scientist. What he says is interesting, but not terribly new.wd400
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Forgive my ignorance but was Origin of the species ever peer-reviewed?Andre
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Andre:
You wrote an entire article about the fact that we can’t be certain.
Yes. Now concentrate, Andre: The fact that we can't be absolutely certain does not mean that our thoughts can't be trusted. It only means that they can't be trusted absolutely. Slow down and think it through.keith s
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wd400, I have no idea what you are trying to saying. Are you on the side of Keiths, who says that what Wagner is writing is nothing new, or do you side with Thorton who wants to claim that Wagner is just another crackpot, who can't get anything printed that is peer reviewed?phoodoo
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WD400 There is the difference between the materialist and theist right there........ For the materialist groups are more important than individuals but for the theist individuals are more important, this one big difference runs through their whole policy.Andre
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Phoodo, It's a "real" trajectory in the sense that it's a path through space over time, if you are willing to call the space of all genotypes a "space". Jerry, Recombination is indeed basic genetics, but it also relevant to evolutionary biology. The tension between recombination and selection, for instance, is the most important question to understanding speciation. Mung's mistake above, where he seems to treat each individual as a seperate entity unlinked to others is another example or the concepts relevance.wd400
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Keith S You wrote an entire article about the fact that we can't be certain. Or did you mean that only applies to other delusional fools and your chemical reactions are the only rational ones? How d we test that Keith S? How do we check if your chemical reactions are true?Andre
October 31, 2014
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Andre writes:
We can all safely discard anything Keith S has to say he admitted yesterday that we can’t really trust the chemical reactions in his head.
Of course I said no such thing. You better hurry, Andre. Mung and Cantor are way ahead of you in the race to the bottom.keith s
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How can we trust anything you have to say Keith S? You really don't seem to understand Andreas Wagner is pointing out that it is non-random evolution....... You know the one William Wallace developed? But Keith won't see that because he is blinded by his I am angry at God campaign......Andre
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Cantor, You haven't actually anything. All you've done is made the vaguest sneer, then presented you've made a substantial rebuttal. Frankly, you look faintly ridiculous as this point. If you want to establish why you Thorton's comment was wrong, but all means do.wd400
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Vishnu,
You made the accusation that Mung was preferring the announcement contents over the book,
No. Here's what I actually wrote:
All you have to do is read the interview to see that the book announcement is hype.
But since you insist on being spoon-fed, open wide for the choo-choo train. I quoted the interview with Wagner, and wrote:
There is nothing anti-Darwinian about Wagner’s thesis. DNA changes randomly, as he stresses. It’s nothing but selection working on random mutations.
Mung quoted the book announcement, and wrote:
That’s about as non-darwinian as you can get.
I went by Wagner's words, and Mung went by the book announcement. You foolishly bought into Mung's tall tale.keith s
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I hope the author is not terrorized to change his stand. His project fundings mught be stopped, his membership may be cancelled and all manner of pressure may be put so he will start giving more interviews claiming the book is actually in support of Darwin and Darwin theory predicts all these new lawsMe_Think
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Andreas Wagner:
he arrival of the fittest here simply means how new traits originate. For example, there is this interesting fish called the winter flounder, which lives close to the Arctic Circle, in very deep, cold waters—so cold that our body fluids would freeze solid. Yet this fish survives there. It turns out that its ancestors discovered a new class of antifreeze proteins that work a bit similar to the antifreeze in your car.
This quote from Andreas Wagner wrong on so many fronts why would anyone need, or want, to read anything further of what her rights let alone take anything he states seriously?franklin
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Denyse*Andre
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We can all safely discard anything Keith S has to say he admitted yesterday that we can't really trust the chemical reactions in his head. As for Astroman...... Troll alert. And Thornton was banned for insulting Dense, serves him right, I'd say good riddance because he was searching for truth as much as a shark desires to become a vegeterian.Andre
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Keiths: Apparently Vishnu, like Mung, can’t tell the difference between a book and a book announcement.
You made the accusation that Mung was preferring the announcement contents over the book, all the while trying to get you to read the book (instead of merely judging it by the blurb.) Re-read the posts. It's hard to believe you're that dense. But then again, I have my suspicions about your motives. BTW, have you read the book?Vishnu
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Thorton is arguing that the author is a crackpot who is claiming to have discovered an entirely new law of nature. Keiths is arguing that you would have to be a crackpot to think this guy is claiming any new law of nature. And meanwhile there still is no theory of evolution. Perhaps we should just let thorton and Keiths argue it out amongst themselves. But they aren't enough smart enough to realize they are completely disagreeing with each other. At least Thorton has found someone else to call a crackpot-imagine that.phoodoo
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