Expelled Controversy Top Issue in Blogosphere

Over at Riddles, Timothy wrote a nice blog: Blog Duel! Chess with Pigeons. Expelled illustrating recent evolander sophistry. William Wallace

Any word on a UK release? (I asked this before ages ago but no-one knew). mattghg

"Knowledge of convergent evolution is widespread. The notion made its way into American pop culture at least as early as the days of the Star Trek television series." Turner Coates you may enjoy Michael Denton's NATURE'S DESTINY. PannenbergOmega

DLH: How many of the "expelled stein" links trace back to topics other than the "Incident"? The top hit deals directly with it, as do a large of number of links. In fact a majority of the links I've looked over thus far deal with the Myers thing. You should also take account of the fact that there is significant overlap between the two sets of pages. Plus, a boolean search on "expelled AND stein NOT myers" turns up 1364 results, which is odd considering that that presumably would exclude the ~700 of 1581 mentioning Myers (I'm being deliberately here). Obviously, blogpulse is not a reliable source of statistical data when you just plug search terms into it without taking account of how their database is structured or what search algorithms they're using. A good example of Twain's take on statistics. Oh, and even excluding Myers while including Stein, you still end up with a bunch of links about the Myers incident. Go figure. thauma

Then again, Mr.alan, the warped logic of darwinism is powerful enough to sway the naive into believing that if something shares a common feature with something else, then both had to have originated from the same source. Maybe we shouldn't be hard on those who are victims of such dangerous delusions. JPCollado

Blogpulse for Expelled stein"lists 1581 messages, about twice yesterday. and Blogpulse for expelled myers has 699 messages. DLH

The Expelled buzz is spreading into more mainstream. Unfortunately Christianity Today's fact checkers were out to lunch or have swallowed atheistic Darwinism hook line and sinker - equating intelligent design with creationism, and claiming that the Forida Academic Freedom Act mandates creationism. Let alone parroting Myers being expelled after "legitimately signed up for the event" rather than gatecrashing an RSVP private screening. REEL NEWS, Expelled Expels Darwinist It made it into MideastYouth Expelling the Intelligent from the ‘Expelled’, though he can't distinguish ID from creationism, and his article fails basic logic, claiming that 700 skeptical of Darwinism means that they are creationists, and that 99.9999% etc support evolution. DLH

Freudian slip @ #28? JPCollado

D.A. - common now - ANY similarity would obviously be by chance. alan

You say Myers now admits that the Expelled Cell animation was not a rip off of Harvard’s original, but that plagiarism still remains a possibility and which can be definitively determined in due course? Design detection anyone! D.A.Newton

Did anyone thought about tables turning around? Thinking and academically free ppl are gathering around their own table, and Darwinists left with their empty table full of fairy-tales are being ignored and expelled from Intelligent discussions as they are emptyhanded to bring anything usefull to such table. And here comes the most paradoxical thing. Atheists are not afraid so much about caring Universe. Mostly they are terified, that the Universe can run without them and they are not necessary part of this Universe. Atheists are afraid and terified to be needful only for themselves! Shazard

It is grand that this film is starting to get some attention. All publicity is good publicity when you are this close to the release date. Tell all of your friends- call local radio stations- blog about it... anything you can do because the truth is on our side. We only need to make sure people get a chance to hear about it. Frost122585

Reading the previous posts, and as an uncommitted observer, I am truely amazed that my own impressions, which made me think that the behaviour of the gatecrashers was childish, is being recognised and acknowledged here. Mathsteach2

DLH, they never said it definitely was the Harvard video, but that they suspected it might be. The suspicion turned out to be incorrect, and Myers said so. There is however still an issue over whether the Expelled animation is plagiarism or not, but that will have to be resolved by detailed comparison of the footage in Expelled with that from Harvard. That is in fact more or less the thrust of the "admission" from Myers. thauma

Re DLH @ 7PZ Myers now admits: I was wrong -- [Expelled's cell animation] is not the Harvard multimedia video. Its an independently generated copy. DLH

Myers and Dawkins seem completely tone deaf to the politics of evolution/ID. It can't be that they want to lose the PR war. I wonder if they spend too much time listening to their own admirers to realize that their views and pronouncements are repulsive to a great many people. russ

Borne wrote:

Needless to say that both Dawkins and PZ have displayed extremely unintelligent design in their childish “offended bully” reactions. Poor little sucks. The bullies can give it out but they can’t take it at all.

The biggest bullies in my toddler's gym class are also the biggest crybabies when they get bumped or thwarted. I had never considered that this behavior pattern might carry into adulthood. russ

Share this with your friends and family, I did. Let's see how many people we can get to sign it. http://www.academicfreedompetition.com/ PannenbergOmega

Heh heh mike1962

Borne, are you just catching on to how Darwinists behave? PannenbergOmega

Lutepisc: Poachy, do you suppose this whole event was planned by Mathis…or did he just happen to bungle into it? I have no idea what really happened and I don't really care. This whole thing is funny in the extreme. It is great that the IDers can stay on message while the Darwinists are acting like crabs in a barrel. I said it before and I'll say it again , they really need a big top strategy of their own. poachy

Either Dr. Meyers knows exactly what he is doing or he is an evolutionary stone in the Darwinists' boots. He is either a marketing genius or is patently ignorant of finesse. The few militant acquaintances he entertains will believe what he says in spite of evidence to the contrary. It strikes a familiar chord. This is the man who summons "steel-toed boots." toc

Needless to say that both Dawkins and PZ have displayed extremely unintelligent design in their childish "offended bully" reactions. Poor little sucks. The bullies can give it out but they can't take it at all. What despicable examples. They are a shame to the whole sci-community including all "normal" Darwinists. Borne

On Expelled's blog: "Richard Dawkins (aka “Clint”): The globe’s leading Big Science atheist is ‘shocked! Shocked!’shook up." DLH

Mathis said: Maybe he [Myers] will think twice before he starts demanding more professors be blacklisted and expelled simply because they question the adequacy of Darwin’s theory. I wouldn't hold my breath... vesler

William Wallace (10): There's no such thing as bad publicity, is there? Dawkins and Myers may regard you as IDiots, but they're proving themselves idiots. Turner Coates

Free publicity thanks to PZ's gaming the RSVP system, getting caught, and then complaining about it. PZ might be on Expelled's side after all. William Wallace

This is just awesome...what timing! The internet is just buzzing! FtK

ThinkerHA is posting multiple vids YouTube justifying Dawkins and PZ Myers. e.g., overdubbing text with Dawkins explaining away religion. Perhaps Stein could post his counter vid on YouTube. DLH

Dawkins and PZ Myers justifying PZ Myers being "expelled" rather than "gatecrashing" at YouTube. Film critic Dawkins expounds on how not to make a documentary. They accuse Premise of overdubbing and using the "same" copyrighted XVIVO Harvard multimedia animation, as used by Dembski the "notorious creationist". DLH

PZ has provided an enormous amount of free advertising that couldn't have been purchased at any price. What a windfall for Expelled, and the timing is perfect. There's just enough time for the buzz to build in the next three weeks but not enough time for it to be forgotten. GilDodgen

Poachy, do you suppose this whole event was planned by Mathis...or did he just happen to bungle into it? Lutepisc

Beautiful. I'll say this about our side, we have some darn fine press release writers. poachy

PZ Myers continues to publicize Expelled, now going on 1467 comments, keeping it #2 on Blogpulse On PZ Myers' classic instruction:

"The only appropriate responses [to proponents of Intelligent Design] should involve some form of righteous fury, much butt-kicking, and the public firing and humiliation of some teachers, many school board members, and vast numbers of sleazy far-right politicians.”

(http://www.pandasthumb.org/pt-archives/001143.html#c35130 Comment #35130 Posted by PZ Myers, 6/14/05, 07:50) Does this constitute the "hate speech" of which liberals are so enamored? Or is it just typical fascist application of dogma? DLH

A beautiful response by the producers which probably won't get the air time it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Mathis, for stating this so cogently! I had been formulating these thoughts about the proportionality of the offending event (denial of tenure vs. denial of freebie entrance to a movie) vs. the intensity and pervasivess of the response myself...but hadn't quite come up with the words. Mr. Mathis, you are truly a professional and a gentleman. Lutepisc

Blogpulse of Expelled Bloglist of "Expelled stein" DLH