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Expelled: “Denormalizing” the Darwin thugs

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If I had heard the word “denormalizing” from a sociology prof, instead of from Ezra Levant, the courageous Canadian lawyer who is working to bring down Canada’s unspeakable “human rights commissions”, I would just groan.

But, “denormalizing” is a useful term for the Expelled film’s potential impact in the United States.

Consider, for example, the following recent events:

– When Rick Sternberg published a peer-reviewed paper in his Smithsonian journal that suggested support for intelligent design, a concerted effort was made to ruin his career. he was told not to come to the press conference disavowing the article because, he told Michael Powell of the Washington Post, “they could not guarantee me that they could keep order” among the distinguished Darwinist scientists (September 2005).

– At Iowa State University, brilliant young astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez was denied tenure. All sorts of questionable grounds were cited and strenuously defended (mostly by fans of materialism and Darwin). Then the e-mail trail showed that the true cause was his sympathy for intelligent design (in this case design of the universe). Did the other faculty fear his command of the evidence that demonstrates his argument? Note: The character of Gonzalez’s opposition speaks for itself in that some continued to defend the mythical grounds even after the truth was out. (May 2007)

– At Baylor University, distinguished professor Robert Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web site was ripped down by disapproving faculty, clearly because he wanted to run simulations of Darwinian evolution that were not artificially designed to favor it (September 2007).

Most Americans knew little or nothing about these and many other Darwin fans’ acts of thuggery and deceit. Hardly even a background hum.

But the Expelled movie is “denormalizing” the Darwin activists by showing a broad public how they disrespect American values and have no use for the academic freedom to dissent in an evidence-based and scholarly way.

The next step is legal protection for their future intended victims. That is starting to happen too, in the form of academic freedom and teachers’ rights bills.

And by the way, this denormalization period is about the worst time imaginable for Baylor to be spinning its murky tenure decisions.

But don’t think for a minute it will be easy. Wayward establishments treasure their right to protect themselves by getting rid of anyone who knows what is wrong.

Expelled is a 100-minute eye-opener. But once your eyes are opened, you are responsible for what you see.

Also, at Design of Life:

Do we really have any idea how dogs domesticated us? Not really.

The textbooks say identical twins have identical DNA. The science says otherwise.

At Overwhelming Evidence

Academic freedom and teachers’ rights bills proliferate

Expelled film spotlights Baylor controversy?

At the Post-Darwinist

Richard Dawkins, the Flying spaghetti Monster loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life!

*Note: To learn more about Canada’s bizarre Human Rights Commissions (“hrc”s) and the struggle to denormalize them, visit Ezra Levant’s site. Yes, the famous columnist Mark Steyn has also been hailed before a Canadian court where absolutely everyone gets convicted because there is no presumption of innocence and no valid defence unless you do not actually exist. Canada used to be the True North Strong and Free. Not any more, I am afraid. To the extent that the Canadian government actually supports the “hrc”s you will read about at these sites, it is fast becoming North American’s North Korea. It is so bad that Mark Steyn, a Canadian citizen, cannot get a meeting with Canada’s justice minister. But resistance is mobilizing. In fact, in a recent development, the Privacy Commissioner is investigating the “hrc”s. It is the first time any agency of the government of Canada has shown concern. See also the BBC story.

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[...] Planet, Astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez has formally accepted a position at Grove City College, PA. (Informally announced on April 4 at Biola) ———————————– ISU [...]Astronomer Gonzalez goes to Grove City College | Uncommon Descent
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Jerry: "As we age, each cell is subject to mutations and as such there will be divergence all over the body based on these mutations." It seems to me that there's a lot of confusion about this. Are people here unaware that all of your cells do not share identical DNA? One huge example is the mechanism by which the acquired immune system generates new antibodies in response to exposure to antigens.Russell
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"How long before some nutter shoots an innocent biologist in the name of “denormalizing Darwinism”? (or bombs the DI in the name of science)." If the past is any indication, shouldn't be long at all. But you cannot blame the person or persons who exposed the tripe and disgusting ways of the scoundrels who, in the name of St. Charles, stoop lower than any ape can to foist their flimsy theory upon all.Borne
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[...] of Our Fearless Leaders in Expelled The REAL Inconvenient Truth Summer Reading List from The BRITES Expelled: “Denormalizing” the Darwin thugs Nelson in São Paulo, Brazil Fisher’s Fundamental Theorem of Natural Selection: the death [...]Expelled: “Denormalizing” the Darwin thugs 2 - PZ Myers and friends | Uncommon Descent
April 8, 2008
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…apologies found in paragraph 2 post 68 -- WITH, not WILL.toc
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It is disappointing, but interesting that the the notion of Truth ( Cap T ) is honored in religious ( particularly Christian ) institutions where Science ( Cap S ) is honored in state and secular institutions that embrace "free" ( postmodern ) thinking. When does it become resolute that one holds authority over the other in these institutions? The rules about education have been changed in the last thirty or so years. Those in science ( and theology ) argue over truth, while the culture is clawing for their cultural "truths." There is a sense of hope here. If science is open to the Socratic idea, so must theology. When they work in harmony, Truth ( cap T ) always seems to emerge will no catastrophes. We need some civil discourse in western culture. I'm afraid however, that we have given it away to politics and economics.toc
April 7, 2008
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tdean at 9: Yes, I have turned off comments at the Post-Darwinist and at The Mindful Hack, acting on the example and with the support of a senior blogger. While there were some very worthwhile posts, most were merely abuse from Darwin fans. I cannot help the fact that there is so little real evidence for Darwin's theory. Rejecting comments with defamations like "fraud" or "liar", or #$$%$$##$ in them is not a constructive use of my time. The would-be commenters can always go say whatever they like on some other blog.O'Leary
April 7, 2008
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It was announced at the big Biola Expelled event that Guillermo has accepted a position at Grove City College. Pa. is becoming the center of the ID movement :-) Shame it's on the other side of the state from Lehigh.tribune7
April 7, 2008
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DaveScot:
If Gonzalez finds another job within his profession…
It was announced at the big Biola Expelled event that Guillermo has accepted a position at Grove City College.GilDodgen
April 7, 2008
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Dave, A religious organization can discriminate on the basis of religion. I wonder if Allen is claiming the religion exemption of behalf of Iowa State LOLOL.tribune7
April 7, 2008
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Thanks for brining these events to our attention. The PT-mafia (the euphemistically named "National Center for Science Education" and their cohorts at Talk Origins, and Panda's Thumb toadies) do play for keeps.William Wallace
April 7, 2008
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Allen MacNeill, way back at #29, said:
I view such convergence as yet another example of Hegel’s thesis-antithesis-synthesis model of the evolution of our understanding of reality. And yes, this is of course “dialectical materialism”, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s invalid a priori.
Not that it matters all that much, but Hegel wasn't even close to a materialist. In fact, he was an idealist, and a life-long Lutheran. (Let's not re-write history! :-) )Lutepisc
April 7, 2008
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Leo You may be correct that Gonzalez doesn't get the benefit of a jury decision since the alleged perpetrator is a public entity. Even so it would still be worth considering how the political winds might be blowing in the future. If there's something happening that might increase public awareness, including the awareness of any ALJ, in a manner that would be positive for Gonzalez' complaint then it might be wise to wait for the winds of change to blow for a while.DaveScot
April 7, 2008
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leo Don't be so quick to set August 4th as the use it or lose it date. Gonzalez may decide to wait until the university dismisses him one year after tenure was denied. The firing then becomes a consideration in any damage award and the date of firing then becomes the point where the countdown begins. In that case the tenure deliberation process becomes not a cause of action but rather evidence of a history of discrimination leading to dismissal. Evidence has no expiration date. If Gonzalez finds another job within his profession with equitable salary and benefits before he's officially terminated then it might reasonably appear to a jury the damages he suffered were not that great. That might not play out that way as the courts usually frown upon any failure of the victim to take reasonable actions to mitigate the damages they suffered. If Gonzalez doesn't make a reasonable effort to find equitable employment elsewhere knowing he is facing dismissal it might be seen as him trying to inflate the damages. DaveScot
April 7, 2008
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If I were Gonzalez I'd wait until after Expelled comes out to make any moves. I believe he's guaranteed continued employment for one year after being denied tenure. Depending on how the political winds are blowing after the movie has been out a while it could mean a jury would be more likely to award Gonzelez with a greater damage settlement in order to set an example to other institutions who might be considering the same type of employment discrimination.DaveScot
April 7, 2008
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Dave- Sorry, I should have thought again before I posted. Do any of the cases discuss creed-based discrimination in any way, not just to distinguish it from religious discrimination? Or are there some cases under the Iowa civil rights law on creed-based discrimination?congregate
April 7, 2008
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Dave- Do any of the Supreme Court decisions you reference above distinguish between religious and creed-based discrimination? I am not familiar with any decisions protecting anyone from discrimination based on their creed's supporting affirmative action or anything like that.congregate
April 7, 2008
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Out of curiosity, is Gonzalez really going to file suit? I'd be interested to see how that plays out.larrynormanfan
April 7, 2008
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Since the offense took place in Iowa and there are both federal and state statutes applicable to employment discrimination it seems like Gonzalez can file in either or both jurisdictions. That's a matter for Gonzalez to decide.DaveScot
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Leo From the Iowa Civil Rights commission website (my emphasis): http://www.iowa.gov/government/crc/file_complaint/areas.html
Employment Unfair employment practices. It shall be an unfair or discriminatory practice for any: Person* to refuse to hire, accept, register, classify, or refer for employment, to discharge any employee, or to otherwise discriminate in employment against any applicant for employment or any employee because of the age, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion or disability of such applicant or employee, unless based upon the nature of the occupation. Iowa Code section 216.6(1)(a).
Is there something in the Iowa statutes that you don't understand? Iowa State declared that ID was not a consideration in Gonzalez' tenure decision. Later, courtesy of the Freedom of Information Act being used to obtain copies of faculty email, it was found that the university lied about that. The lie, to any reasonable person, was a failed attempt to cover up what could easily be judged illegal employment discrimination. If the University wants to take the position that it's a reasonable requirement for astronomers to, in their private lives outside the classroom, profess disbelief that the universe and living things are a cosmic accident absent any design or purpose, that's fine with me as long as they state it up front and successfully defend the position in a court of law. Obviously they didn't want to make that statement or try defending themselves so instead of being candid with Gonzalez and the public they tried to deny they took that position. DaveScot
April 7, 2008
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larrynormanfan I'm quite well aware that Margulis isn't an ID supporter. In fact I often quote her BECAUSE she isn't an ID supporter. If she was then it certainly wouldn't have the same impact when she calls neo-Darwinists "bullies". It also wouldn't have the same impact when she refers to herself and others in the evolutionary biology community as Darwinists or neo-Darwinists.DaveScot
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Trib Employment anti-discrimination statutes apply to both public and private employers.DaveScot
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There seems to be an equivocation between "Darwinian" and "neo-Darwianian." Margulis has a beef with neo-Darwinians -- that is, with a particular camp -- not with Darwinism writ large. She's certainly a "Darwinist" in the larger sense, and no supporter of ID.larrynormanfan
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nullasalus and Allen --"I’m sorry - I’d just like to be clear here. You’re saying that if someone believes in ID, it’s fully justified to deny them tenure based on that and that alone?" That's exactly what Allen seems to be saying but he still wants to know why we can't all just get along.tribune7
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Leo--Well, given that many Christian Universities have a doctrinal statements that all faculty / staff / students must Are you suggesting that public funded institutions be as doctrinaire as Liberty University? It sounds like you are agreeing that the Smithsonian are Iowa State are institutions with dogmas akin to those that admit they are religion based.tribune7
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Leo The first definition of "creed" in the Princeton University Wordnet database is: "Any system of principles or beliefs" Belief or disbelief in intelligent design are both creeds in the primary definition of the word. Often in employment anti-discrimination statutes creed and religion are separately mentioned explicitely indicating that they are not synonymous terms. This serves to protect people from job discrimination due to beliefs in such things as: gay rights, affirmative action, and so forth.DaveScot
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Allen --Nor would I defend such an institution, and would object to such a double standard. Do you have a particular institution in mind, or is this a hypothetical example? . . . I have commented elsewhere on both the Sternberg and Gonzalez cases. Sternberg was publicly attacked, but was not removed from his position at the Smithsonian. Gonzalez was denied tenure, which anyone in academics knows happens all the time. Sternberg, Gonzalez and Dembski all, objectively, lost opportunities and benefits due to their positions on ID. That you fail to defend them and dismiss what was done to them as "which anyone in academics knows happens all the time" pretty much makes my point.tribune7
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Russ Perhaps "thug" isn't the best metaphor. Lynn Margulis called neo-Darwinists "bullies" in her address at the 2005 Woodstock of Evolution. One definition of "bully" that appears in my dictionary is "a hired thug". Hmmmm...DaveScot
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re; identical twins and identical DNA Eukaryote cells accumulate mutations at an approximate average rate of one per one billion nucleotides at each cell division. The somatic cells taken from identical twins are many cell generations removed from the original cell from whence they both came. If skin cells were used and the twins were adults it could be hundreds or thousands of generations. Due to the cost and error rate of sequencing an entire human genome I highly doubt at this point in time a definitive comparison of DNA between two identical twins has been accomplished. What method was used to support the claim of DNA differences and were the differences significantly more than can be reasonably expected after so many cell divisions? The cost/performance of DNA sequencing is declining over time on a curve not unlike Moore's Law - it halves every 18 months. At most another 5-6 years of sequencer cost/performance improvements will make it feasible on a small research budget to get very low error rate full DNA sequences for human genomes. I'd recommend just waiting until then. I believe that sequencing cost/performance improvements will eventually make genomic data mining the most productive thing in biology since the invention of the microscope. We might very well find that DNA does change quite a bit during ontogenesis. We can find that out by doing a full DNA sequence in a single individual at many points during ontogenesis. DaveScot
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Mister MacNeill believes it's okay to discriminate in employment due to belief in Intelligent Design. Then of course, unless he wants to be justifiably labeled a hypocrite, he should support the notion that it's okay to discriminate in employment due to disbelief in Intelligent Design too. So say if the public starts demanding that professors at universities that receive public funding be fired if they don't believe in Intelligent Design, Mister MacNeill supports that. Mister MacNeill needs to read the United States constitution and Supreme Court decisions regarding discrimination due to creed and then rethink his position.DaveScot
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