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Fashionable physicist Brian Cox claims that science has ruled out the soul

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Cox is one of those science celebs. Anyway, this is what he says:

The popstar-turned-scientist appeared on the Joe Rogan Podcast where he discussed the idea of humans having souls, among other topics.

In his estimate, there is no observable force – the soul – that interacts with the human body at the subatomic level.

If such a force existed within us, it would strongly react with the particles our bodies are made of.

Instead, physicists have so far only observed four fundamental forces governing this world – gravity, the weak and strong nuclear force, and electromagnetism.

None of these forces could explain the concept of a soul trapped inside the body.

Sebastian Kettley, “Life after death: Brian Cox says physics ‘ruled out’ the human soul at particle level” at Express

It’s hard to know how to deal with such fundamental ignorance.

This is more what spiritual reality is like: A man in his nineties once got a message from beyond this world. It was pure information, not particles:

Circumstances prevented me visiting my father one Friday in January. But I received a phone call that evening from his closest sister, about 93, who lives in an old-age home in a midwestern city.

She told me that after sixty years of practical atheism, anti-Catholicism, and anti-Christianity, Dad wanted to be reconciled to the Church. He had a dream, she said. His parents appeared and were calling him, urging this course on him, so that he could one day join them in glory. He told her he hoped that I, as a Catholic, could help.

Unlike some family members, I did not think his wish proceeded from an addled mind. I recognized its source instinctively. He wanted someone from heaven to forgive him, someone whose word he need never doubt.

Denyse O’Leary, “There is a country for old men” at Catholic Education

And it happened. He had a strong, a perfect plea.

Particles don’t do that to people.

Note: I (O’Leary for News) should add that that man completely changed his behaviour around health care staff and became rather a favourite with them. When he died in Ottawa in 2018 (he was 99 and had had a stroke), staff members were weeping and hugging his relatives for comfort. So, whatever happened there when he declared “My sins have been forgiven” was certainly real, however you want to interpret it.

Hat tip: Ken Francis, co-author with Theodore Dalrymple of The Terror of Existence: From Ecclesiastes to Theatre of the Absurd

12 Replies to “Fashionable physicist Brian Cox claims that science has ruled out the soul

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    bornagain77 says:

    as to:

    Instead, physicists have so far only observed four fundamental forces governing this world – gravity, the weak and strong nuclear force, and electromagnetism.

    He, and biologists in general, might want to brush up on advances in biology, particularly advances in biology as they relate to quantum biology.

    Jim Al-Khalili, at the 2:30 minute mark of the following video states,
    “,, Physicists and Chemists have had a long time to try and get use to it (Quantum Mechanics). Biologists, on the other hand have got off lightly in my view. They are very happy with their balls and sticks models of molecules. The balls are the atoms. The sticks are the bonds between the atoms. And when they can’t build them physically in the lab nowadays they have very powerful computers that will simulate a huge molecule.,, It doesn’t really require much in the way of quantum mechanics in the way to explain it.”
    At the 6:52 minute mark of the video, Jim Al-Khalili goes on to state:
    “To paraphrase, (Erwin Schrödinger in his book “What Is Life”), he says at the molecular level living organisms have a certain order. A structure to them that’s very different from the random thermodynamic jostling of atoms and molecules in inanimate matter of the same complexity. In fact, living matter seems to behave in its order and its structure just like inanimate cooled down to near absolute zero. Where quantum effects play a very important role. There is something special about the structure, about the order, inside a living cell. So Schrodinger speculated that maybe quantum mechanics plays a role in life”.
    Jim Al-Khalili – Quantum biology – video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOzCkeTPR3Q

    Darwinian Materialism vs. Quantum Biology – Part II – video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSig2CsjKbg

    For instance, practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it.

    “What happens is this classical information (of DNA) is embedded, sandwiched, into the quantum information (of DNA). And most likely this classical information is never accessed because it is inside all the quantum information. You can only access the quantum information or the electron clouds and the protons. So mathematically you can describe that as a quantum/classical state.”
    Elisabeth Rieper – Classical and Quantum Information in DNA – video (Longitudinal Quantum Information resides along the entire length of DNA discussed at the 19:30 minute mark; at 24:00 minute mark Dr Rieper remarks that practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it)
    https://youtu.be/2nqHOnVTxJE?t=1176

    In fact, in the following 2015 paper entitled, “Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules” it was found that “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” and the researchers further commented that “finding even one (biomolecule) that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,,

    Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules – Mar. 6, 2015
    Excerpt: “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” they say.
    That’s a discovery that is as important as it is unexpected. “These findings suggest an entirely new and universal mechanism of conductance in biology very different from the one used in electrical circuits.”
    The permutations of possible energy levels of biomolecules is huge so the possibility of finding even one (biomolecule) that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,,
    “what exactly is the advantage that criticality confers?”
    https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/the-origin-of-life-and-the-hidden-role-of-quantum-criticality-ca4707924552

    What is so devastating to materialistic presuppositions with the finding pervasive quantum coherence and/or quantum information within molecular biology, is that quantum coherence and/or quantum information is a non-local, beyond space and time, effect that requires a beyond space and time cause in order to explain its existence.

    As the following paper entitled “Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory” stated, “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”

    Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012
    Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”
    http://www.quantumlah.org/high.....uences.php

    Moreover, it is also important to realize that quantum information is conserved. As the following article states, In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed.

    Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time – 2011
    Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment.
    http://www.physorg.com/news/20.....tally.html

    The implication of finding ‘non-local’, beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’, quantum information in molecular biology on such a massive scale, in every important biomolecule in our bodies, is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious.
    That pleasant implication, of course, being the fact that we now have very strong empirical evidence suggesting that we do indeed have an eternal soul that is capable of living beyond the death of our material bodies. As Stuart Hameroff states in the following article, “the quantum information,,, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed.,,, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”

    Leading Scientists Say Consciousness Cannot Die It Goes Back To The Universe – Oct. 19, 2017 – Spiritual
    Excerpt: “Let’s say the heart stops beating. The blood stops flowing. The microtubules lose their quantum state. But the quantum information, which is in the microtubules, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed. It just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. If a patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says, “I had a near death experience. I saw a white light. I saw a tunnel. I saw my dead relatives.,,” Now if they’re not revived and the patient dies, then it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”
    – Stuart Hameroff – Quantum Entangled Consciousness – Life After Death – video (5:00 minute mark) (of note, this video is no longer available for public viewing)
    https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/life-after-death-soul-science-morgan-freeman/

    Verse:

    Mark 8:37
    Is anything worth more than your soul?

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    AaronS1978 says:

    Didn’t this guy say this years ago claiming that the LHC had ruled out the soul because they could not find a ghost

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    polistra says:

    @Aaron, interesting LHC connection. The LHC dudes never stop searching for their pet entities like Higgs bosons and dark matter, which have no observable effects on anything . Yet they instantly rule out entities like consciousness that have TREMENDOUS observable effects.

    If grants for soul-searching were bigger than grants for boson-searching, the priorities of the searchers might change.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    @4
    Very interesting and very true point especially with dark matter which doesn’t interact with anything but yet pushes the entire universe apart “it has to exist” they would say

    They did find the Higgs particle though but it wasn’t the Higgs they wanted to find it was one that was absolutely close to perfect leaving the room for other new forms of physics I think it was 1.25 GEV

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    Barry Arrington says:

    Fascinating. Science has ruled definitively on an issue that, by definition, it does not address. Who knew?

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    News says:

    Note: I (O’Leary for News) should add that that man completely changed his behaviour around health care staff and became rather a favourite with them. When he died in Ottawa in 2018 (he was 99 and had had a stroke), staff members were weeping and hugging his relatives for comfort. So, whatever happened there when he declared “My sins have been forgiven” was certainly real, however you want to interpret it. (I have also posted this to the OP.)

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    No one has ever observed a “fundamental force.” They have observed patterns of behavior, nothing more. Apparently, this guy can’t see the difference in the “pattern of behavior” between a living body and a dead one.

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    AaronS1978 says:

    https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/soul

    This is the Catholics definition of a soul and this has been around for many many years before he even decided to make his comment

    So he either absolutely does not understand what people believe it has the soul or he is still back in the late 1700s with debating phlegm

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    Fasteddious says:

    Polistra @4: “If grants for soul-searching were bigger than grants for boson-searching, the priorities of the searchers might change.” That was hilarious, thank you!

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    kairosfocus says:

    Folks, particles and the four forces do not explain information rich functional organisation, especially where language is explicitly present . . . try DNA in the cell. Design does. KF

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    doubter says:

    Cox’s position is willful ignorance at its worst. Like many atheists and materialists he complacently and arrogantly ignores a ton of empirical evidence – most especially the existence of hundreds of veridical NDEs many of which occurred while the brain was nonfunctional due to trauma like cardiac arrest.

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