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Four Flaws With The Argument From Suboptimal Design

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Today I received an inquiry from a friend who is an atheist regarding the question of suboptimal design in nature. He was interested in learning how I would respond to “apparent instances of poor design, both in humans and throughout the animal kingdom.” He gave a few examples, “rang[ing] from technical design flaws such as the recurrent laryngeal nerve, to vestigial features such as the marsupial mole having non-functioning eyes hidden under its skin, to ‘commonsense’ features such as using the same mouth for both eating and breathing, leading to an untold number of deaths through choking.”

In response, I identified four fundamental flaws with the argument from suboptimal design in nature. Here is my reply:

Thanks for your question. It seems to me that there are several flaws with the argument from ‘suboptimal design’ in nature. For one thing, the ability to detect design does not require that the design be optimal. Windows operating systems have many design flaws – but that doesn’t make them any less designed. The argument carries the assumption that the only candidate for designer is an omnipotent and benevolent deity, but this doesn’t necessarily follow. I happen to believe in such a deity (for, in my judgment, good reasons), but I don’t believe that it logically follows from the evidence of design in biology. Even if one is a theist, I see no problem with the position that God may have acted through secondary causes. Perhaps there is some sort of intrinsic teleology built into the world, for instance, that produces the sort of complex specified information we find so abundantly in living systems.

A second problem with the argument is that it assumes that an intelligent cause would have to produce each living thing de novo. But, again, this doesn’t necessarily follow. The theory of ID (as applied to biology) asserts that there are certain features of living systems that bear hallmarks of an intelligent cause, but this does not necessarily entail a rejection of common ancestry. Perhaps there are constraints on design placed by an organism’s evolutionary history. I happen to be skeptical of universal common ancestry, for reasons that I have articulated in my writings. But it isn’t at all incompatible with ID – in fact, many of my colleagues (e.g. Michael Behe) subscribe to common descent. I’m ambivalent on the issue. I can see some defensible arguments for the idea of hereditary continuity, but I can also see severe scientific problems with it. In my opinion, many evolutionary theorists fall victim to confirmation bias here.

Third, the theory of ID does not require that everything in biology be designed. Indeed, designed artifacts may exhibit evidence of weathering – an example of this would be the once-functional vestigial lenses of marsupial moles which are hidden under the skin.

Fourth, the argument often commits what one might describe as an “evolution-of-the-gaps” fallacy. Whereas the “god-of-the-gaps” fallacy states that “evolution can’t explain this; therefore god must have done it,” the converse “evolution-of-the-gaps” fallacy states that “God wouldn’t have done it that way; therefore evolution must have done it.” It is curious that this dichotomous mode of thinking is precisely what ID proponents are often accused of. Much like “god-of-the-gaps” arguments, the “evolution-of-the-gaps” argument has to retreat with advances in scientific knowledge, as biologists uncover important reasons for the way these features have been designed. One example of this would be the once-thought-to-be-prevalent “junk DNA” in our genomes, for which important function is constantly being identified. I would argue that such design reasons or “trade-offs” are plausible for the recurrent laryngeal nerve that you mention (as well as many of the other examples that are traditionally cited). On this subject, I would invite you to read this article (and the links contained therein) by my colleague Casey Luskin.

I hope this answers your question. Feel free to respond to these remarks.

Kind regards,

Jonathan

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BA77 @5: I have to confess, sometimes I am overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the material you post, but in this case I might have to just bookmark this page. :) Excellent summary of the arguments that are primarily theological in nature. One of the primary things that struck me when I read The Origin of Species was how often Darwin appealed to theological "God wouldn't have done it this way" thinking to support his position.Eric Anderson
December 12, 2012
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Graham you claim: "Its not a theological thing, despite all the blather" Exactly how in blue blazes is postulating that you know for a fact, prior to thorough investigation, that God should design x such and such way not a theological argument on your part? This is simply ridiculous for you to deny the import of your own theological prejudice into the matter. For you to divorce yourself from any theological prejudice in the matter I suggest you go into a laboratory and evolve a laryngeal nerve by purely material processes! Seeing that Darwinists have not, and can not, even demonstrate the origination of even a single novel functional protein by neo-Darwinian processes, which is certainly not the fault of lack of effort, I won't be holding my breath for you to do as such, just as I won't be holding my breath for you to admit that you using theology instead of science to try to make your case! note: Medical Considerations for the Intelligent Design of the Recurrent Laryngeal Nerve - Casey Luskin - October, 2010 Conclusion: Clearly, the RLN is performing many jobs, not just one. Its "intended function" is much more than simply innervating the larynx; and the larynx is in fact innervated directly, exactly as ID-critics say it should be.,, The argument against intelligent design of the RLN has collapsed. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/10/medical_considerations_for_the039221.htmlbornagain77
December 12, 2012
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I have no idea if 2 mouths would be better than 1, but the laryngeal nerve seems to be pretty obvious. How on earth could this be good design ? Its almost certainly bad design, surely that is not in question. So why did god do it this way ? Sure, he could do it any way he pleases, he can do whatever he likes, but why set out to create bad design ? Its not a theological thing, despite all the blather, its just a simple piece of logic. Why intentionally create something that is bad design ? This is where Evolution has explanatory power. It explains WHY the nerve is the way it is. The god thing, sorry, ID, doesnt explain anything. You retreat into all sorts of twaddle about how we dont know the mind of the designer, he is not required to produce design that is optimal, etc etc, but in the end, why would a designer who is capable of producing what you never stop reminding us is so exquisite, create such an obvious case of bad design ?. I prefer the explanation that actually explains, not excuses for an imaginary guy. Now if that doesnt get me banned, youre not trying.Graham2
December 12, 2012
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And speaking of suboptimally designed arguments- Hi Gregory...Joe
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"You can only call it suboptimnal if you recognise it was designed." - Jon Garvey 1) Please offer an example of "things that weren't 'designed'." I doubt you'll answer this question because you seem to think every-thing, including the hairs on your head, all moments in your personal history and every single choice you ever made were 'designed/created.' That is a theological, not a scientific perspective. But since you are not committed to the Big-ID view that 'ID = natural science' and prefer instead 'design by intuition,' still based on 'detectionism,' that distinction doesn't really matter. 2) The biggest problem isn't 'suboptimal design' in biology. It is Abu Ghraid, Agent Orange, artificial viruses, bankruptcy, collusion, torture, rape, terrorism, fascism, name your evil; this is ALL 'intelligently designed.' Big-ID theory has no answers for these things and chooses silence instead, hiding behind 'Origins of Life' platitudes and speculation. Neo-Darwinism as biological theory is a small fish to fry, but 'light the fires' (of anti-Darwin heresy) is what IDists prefer to do anyway. Why else do you think Stephen Meyer was seduced by Steve Fuller's convincing logic (even, as reported, to you!) about 'theodicy' and why he thinks ID theory should relate to it? Meyer intuits this (he's a person, after all, not a god), but has no Big-ID 'scientific' explanation to show for it. And even still 'Warfield has TE answers for the 21st century,' everyone sing!Gregory
December 12, 2012
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OT: Well this finding ought to ruffle a few Darwinian feathers Australian Multicellular Fossils Point to Life On Land, Not at Sea, Geologist Proposes - Dec. 12, 2012 Excerpt: Ediacaran fossils, he said, represent "an independent evolutionary radiation of life on land that preceded by at least 20 million years the Cambrian evolutionary explosion of animals in the sea." Increased chemical weathering by large organisms on land may have been needed to fuel the demand of nutrient elements by Cambrian animals. Independent discoveries of Cambrian fossils comparable with Ediacaran ones is evidence, he said, that even in the Cambrian, more than 500 million years ago, life on land may have been larger and more complex than life in the sea. Retallack leaves open the possibility that some Ediacaran fossils found elsewhere in the world may not be land-based in origin, writing in his conclusion that the many different kinds of these fossils need to be tested and re-evaluated. "The key evidence for this new view is that the beds immediately below the cover sandstones in which they are preserved were fossil soils," he said. "In other words the fossils were covered by sand in life position at the top of the soils in which they grew. In addition, frost features and chemical composition of the fossil soils are evidence that they grew in cold dry soils, like lichens in tundra today, rather than in tropical marine lagoons." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121212134050.htm notes: Many times atheists will attack the Genesis account of creation in the Bible by saying that plant life on the land did not precede the Cambrian explosion of animal life in the seas as the Bible account in Genesis says it does.,,, Genesis 1:11-12 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: ,,, Yet, at about the thirty minute mark of the following video, Hugh Ross reveals that scientists have now discovered evidence that the Genesis account is in fact correct and that plant life on land did in fact precede the explosion of animal life in the seas of the Cambrian era. Science and Scripture: Enemies or Allies? - Hugh Ross - video (recorded in October 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6ryCArkRk Here is the relevant paper that Dr. Ross referenced at the 31 minute mark: Earth’s earliest non-marine eukaryotes - April 2011 Excerpt: They offer direct evidence of eukaryotes living in freshwater aquatic and subaerially exposed habitats during the Proterozoic era. The apparent dominance of eukaryotes in non-marine settings by 1?Gyr ago indicates that eukaryotic evolution on land may have commenced far earlier than previously thought. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7348/full/nature09943.htmlbornagain77
December 12, 2012
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OK wait- if there are flaws with the argument from suboptimal design, does that mean that those very arguments are not designed?Joe
December 12, 2012
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In illustrating how theology plays out in the 'sub-optimal design arguments' of Darwinists, I humorously recall an exchange I had with a Darwinist shortly after this following paper came out:
(Inverted) Retinal Glial Cells Enhance Human Vision Acuity A. M. Labin and E. N. Ribak Physical Review Letters, 104, 158102 (April 2010) Excerpt: The retina is revealed as an optimal structure designed for improving the sharpness of images. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20482021
I pointed out that, because of the paper, not only did he, the Darwinists, not only have any evidence of a single protein occurring in the vision cascade,,,
Evolution Vs. The Miracle Of The Eye - Vision Cascade Molecular Animation http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4189562/ The Vision Cascade is Initiated Not by Isomerization but by Force Field Dynamics - July 2011 Excerpt: 'In addition to designing the opsin protein, evolution must now design the electric field surrounding the chromophore, and how it responds to photon interaction. And while it is busy with that task, it must also specify the correct amino acids at the correct locations within the opsin, that will be influenced by the chromophore’s dynamic electric field.' http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2011/06/vision-cascade-is-initiated-not-by.html
,,but now his, the Darwinist, main argument of supposedly 'poor design' of the eye, (because he personally would not use a inverted retina if he were to design an eyeball :) ), was now overthrown. Incredibly his response to me was to say that since he could envision an eye that could have perfect 360 degree vision, and he did not have such a eye, then the bad design argument was alive and well as far as he was concerned.,, I quickly pointed out to him that he was presupposing the existence of God by saying that since he was not 'all seeing' as God is then God could not have made his eye. i.e. I pointed out that he was in fact, at the end of the day, arguing that since he personally was not God then there must be no God! :) (You can't make this stuff up!). verse and music:
Genesis 3:5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." John Tesh • We Three Kings • Christmas in Positano, Italy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJbfLcD9O9s O Come, Emmanuel - (Piano/Cello) - ThePianoGuys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO7ySn-Swwc Aaron Shust - O Come O Come Emmanuel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrRueJjqo0
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December 12, 2012
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It does seem appropriate that the 'suboptimal design' argument should be flawed.Mung
December 12, 2012
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I'm surprised that anyone is still arguing that it would be better if we had separate tubes for swallowing and breathing. It seems that some people are so eager to deliver a sophomoric "gotcha!" that they do not bother to think through the implications of what they are proposing. See the following links for some obvious problems with this "improvement" on our original design: http://creation.com/is-the-human-pharynx-poorly-designed http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/designgonebad.htmlsagebrush gardener
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For a long time I had a hard time understanding how the 'bad design' argument even fit into the scientific question of whether or not design was present in nature. i.e. As far as science is concerned, design is either present or it is not end of story (or so I thought). Then after a few years of reading Dr. Hunter's articles (usually ending with the phrase 'religion drives science and it matters!'), as well as seeing first hand the complete lack of any supporting evidence for evolution to explain even trivial levels of functional complexity/information, I finally began to realize how central the theologically based 'bad design' argument is for Darwinian evolution. The theologically based 'bad design' argument (i.e. God would not have done it that way!) is literally the main argument of Darwinism. Perhaps some may think I'm exaggerating the case that sophomoric theology drives Darwinism, so to make the case clear I'll give a couple of examples.,,, Here, at about the 55:00 minute mark in the following video, Phillip Johnson sums up his (IMO) 'excellent' lecture by noting, with surprise, that the refutation of his book, 'Darwin On Trial', in the Journal Nature, the most prestigious science journal in the world, was a theological argument about what God would and would not do and therefore Darwinism must be true, and the critique of his book was not a refutation based on any substantiating scientific evidence for Darwinism that one would have expected to be brought forth in such a prestigious scientific venue to support what is suppose to be such a well supported scientific theory:
Darwinism On Trial (Phillip E. Johnson) – lecture video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwj9h9Zx6Mw
In the following debate, Dr. William Lane Craig, expresses surprise that Francisco Ayala uses the theologically based bad design argument as his main argument, and invites him to present his evidence, any evidence, that evolutionary processes can do what he claims they can. Here are a few excerpts of the debate:
5. Is Intelligent Design Viable?: William Lane Craig opens (Behe's Edge Of Evolution) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGUT5cde1y4 Refuting The Myth Of 'Bad Design' vs. Intelligent Design - William Lane Craig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzdieauxZg
Dr. Cornelius Hunter sums up the argumentation style of Darwinists this way:
From Philosopher to Science Writer: The Dissemination of Evolutionary Thought - May 2011 Excerpt: This is the key to understanding evolutionary thought. The weak arguments are scientific and the strong arguments, though filled with empirical observation and scientific jargon, are metaphysical. The stronger the argument, the more theological or philosophical. http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2011/05/from-philosopher-to-science-writer.html
And indeed, as surprising as it may be for some to believe, Darwin's 1859 book 'Origin of Species' is indeed found to be based primarily on theological reasoning:
Charles Darwin, Theologian: Major New Article on Darwin's Use of Theology in the Origin of Species - May 2011 Excerpt: I have argued that, in the first edition of the Origin, Darwin drew upon at least the following positiva theological claims in his case for descent with modification (and against special creation): 1. Human begins are not justfied in believing that God creates in ways analogous to the intellectual powers of the human mind. 2. A God who is free to create as He wishes would create new biological limbs de novo rather than from a common pattern. 3. A respectable deity would create biological structures in accord with a human conception of the 'simplest mode' to accomplish the functions of these structures. 4. God would only create the minimum structure required for a given part's function. 5. God does not provide false empirical information about the origins of organisms. 6. God impressed the laws of nature on matter. 7. God directly created the first 'primordial' life. 8. God did not perform miracles within organic history subsequent to the creation of the first life. 9. A 'distant' God is not morally culpable for natural pain and suffering. 10. The God of special creation, who allegedly performed miracles in organic history, is not plausible given the presence of natural pain and suffering. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/05/charles_darwin_theologian_majo046391.html
And what may come as more of a surprise to some people is that Darwin's degree was in theology, not in science, and Darwin's 'theodicy' (the problem of reconciling an infinitely good God with the presence of evil in the world), came primarily from theological training of his day. Here is a excellent lecture on the theological reasoning of Darwin (Dr. Hunter's book 'Darwin's God' is mentioned favorably several times towards the end of the lecture):
The Descent of Darwin - Pastor Joe Boot - (The Theodicy of Darwinism) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJqk7xF4-g
And indeed the Theology in Darwinian thinking continues on to this day:
The role of theology in current evolutionary reasoning - Paul A. Nelson - Biology and Philosophy, 1996, Volume 11, Number 4, Pages 493-517 Excerpt: Evolutionists have long contended that the organic world falls short of what one might expect from an omnipotent and benevolent creator. Yet many of the same scientists who argue theologically for evolution are committed to the philosophical doctrine of methodological naturalism, which maintains that theology has no place in science. Furthermore, the arguments themselves are problematical, employing concepts that cannot perform the work required of them, or resting on unsupported conjectures about suboptimality. Evolutionary theorists should reconsider both the arguments and the influence of Darwinian theological metaphysics on their understanding of evolution. http://www.springerlink.com/content/n3n5415037038134/?MUD=MP
I also find it deeply ironic that Darwinists, in using what is basically a 'argument from evil' to support their supposedly 'scientific' theory, fail to realize that when they argue from evil they must presuppose the existence of perfect goodness (of a perfect way things ought to be) in order to make the argument from evil in the first place. i.e. They must presuppose the existence of God in order to make the argument from evil. He is a short video that gets that point across very eloquently
Einstein vs. his professor - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4007708/
further note:
Is Your Bod Flawed by God? - Feb. 2010 Excerpt: Theodicy (the discipline in Theism of reconciling natural evil with a good God) might be a problem for 19th-century deism and simplistic natural theology, but not for Biblical theology. It was not a problem for Jesus Christ, who was certainly not oblivious to the blind, the deaf, the lepers and the lame around him. It was not a problem for Paul, who spoke of the whole creation groaning and travailing in pain till the coming redemption of all things (Romans 8). http://www.creationsafaris.com/crev201002.htm#20100214a
bornagain77
December 12, 2012
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How about the fact that if you don't know the mind of the designer, you can't possibly know what the end goal is/was? It's like me sitting my stepmom down in front of a computer with the DOS shell open and expecting her to get her email-she'd claim the design is totally broken and insipid because she has no idea what DOS was designed to do, how it works, and what the limitations were, so the software must clearly be broken. "Why doesn't this have windows? Where's Outlook? Why can't I play Solitaire by going to the Start Menu??"ECMIM
December 12, 2012
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Jonathan: BTW, I don't know how good of a friend your friend is and whether he would take offense, but you might want to let him know that the arguments against design in biology by pointing to "bad design" are readily understood as nonsense to anyone who has thought about the issue in depth. Perhaps the things you shared with him, as well as some of our additional responses on this thread, might be useful in helping him understand the deep logical and empirical flaws with the "bad design" line of argumentation.Eric Anderson
December 12, 2012
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My detailed comments from a prior thread where we discussed this (note the importance of distinguishing bad (poor engineering) design from bad (evil, malicious) design: https://uncommondescent.com/darwinism/bill-dembski-answers-how-do-we-explain-bad-design/#comment-422345Eric Anderson
December 12, 2012
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The other tangential point is that to ask the question about suboptimal design is to disclaim the contention that design cannot be detected in nature (or ditto without knowing about the designer). You can only call it suboptimnal if you recognise it was designed.Jon Garvey
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