29 Replies to “Friday Chuckle

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    Mung says:

    Thanks Barry!

    Reminds me of all those “Jesus is coming soon” books I read growing up.

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    rvb8 says:

    I’m a little confused Mung! The cartoon ridicules the notion that Global Warming is imminent. Does your recollection of those “Jesus is coming soon” books, mean you think this is just as silly? What are you laughing at here? Global Warming is a myth and has been falsely predicted for decades, and Jesus coming a second time, is equally absurd?

    I’m confused, I know you believe Global Warming is a myth, do you then also think, the ‘second coming’ is just as likely?

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    Mung says:

    rbv8:

    I’m confused, I know you believe Global Warming is a myth, do you then also think, the ‘second coming’ is just as likely?

    You don’t know that I believe that global warming is a myth. I do believe that the belief that “Jesus is coming soon” is false.

    I do believe that Jesus will return today is far less likely than the chance that the earth will turn into a ball of ice today or the chance that the earth will turn into a ball of fire today.

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    kairosfocus says:

    RVB8,

    Global warming since the depths of this ice age . . . as, we are patently not in an ice-free period?

    What is “climate,” apart from a 30 or so year moving average of weather day by day [so it necessarily must move and has been in general on a warming trend for the past some thousands of years, with dips such as the little ice age and bumps such as the medieval warming]?

    And, what are the relevant forcings and cycles, and how well are they understood, starting with solar behaviour?

    Also, given that weather is known to exhibit sensitive dependence on initial and intervening conditions with both positive and negative feedback factors at work, how well should we regard the various climate models in terms of their validation as ability to project decades and centuries in advance?

    What about the recent trend plateau that extended for about 18+ years?

    How much do we really know about climate, an observational science dependent on quality of long term trend observations and data proxies?

    Should we not balance relevant dynamics such as the implications of crashing the global economy through energy starvation or imposing long term stagnation, which tends to foster major wars?

    What about moving on despatchable potentially large scale energy sources such as molten salt thorium reactors and pebble bed modular reactors?

    What of fusion and its potential?

    (How do we deal with the plague of ever so many renewables, intermittency and fluctuations?)

    What is your response to something like Marcin Jakubowski’s idea of a global village construction set?

    What about solar system colonisation?

    What about research?

    In short, I am asking us to pause the rhetoric of polarisation and agenda pushing and rethink the whole energy- technology- economy- development- geopolitics- climate debate then have a responsible discussion.

    Maybe, that will open up a way to think afresh instead of the stale — and, frankly, inexcusably hateful — rhetorical loading of phrases like” climate change DENIER,” deliberately echoing “Holocaust denier.”

    Someone like say Anthony Watts of WUWT (however you agree or disagree with him and those who he hosts) is not to be dismissed in such terms. Please ponder what just happened to a helpless man in Chicago to understand what happens when the sort of polarisation that is too often promoted these days gets loose.

    And yes, I am saying, that is a PREDICTABLE consequence of spending years stoking up polarisation and contempt for those who are not politically correct and virtue-signalling how they toe the party line. I recall here, an infamous incident reported with Stalin; where the party meeting could not stop clapping as no one wanted to be first to stop.

    KF

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    kairosfocus says:

    Mung, preterist theology debates I see. KF

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    AnimatedDust says:

    RV–

    What I find most delicious is your smug self-satisfaction. Because some crackpot Christian fringe loudmouths have incorrectly predicted the second coming, and because Christ hasn’t returned yet, it’s all BS.

    You comfy with that reasoning?

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    Love the cartoon. Climate change politics is one of the biggest hoaxes of all-time, right up there with Darwinian evolution. Both are complete frauds.

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    rvb8 says:

    Kairos,

    well said! We probably strongly disagree on this subject, (I believe Global Warming to be the single gravest problem facing humanity), but your call to step back and take a breath, is measured and sensible.

    AD,

    that Christ was coming soon is one of the major reasons I lost my faith around the age of twelve. It was predicted first by the living apostles, who got it wrong, and they knew Christ. After them every few years to today it has been predicted; it never materialises, so as a sceptic forgive me if I come off as ‘smug’, that is not my intention.

    Your beliefs also are things which I would not ridicule, although expecting the imminent return of the Lord, because ‘end time’ tribulations appear to be happening, is quite absurd.

    I wouldn’t mind being judged by the Lord, because at least it would allow me the opportunity to get several things off my chest!

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    AnimatedDust says:

    RV. I seem to recall that scripture says that no one knows when it will happen, only the Father.

    And as for end times, most people think that Revelation is referring to the end times as in now. However in actuality the events of Revelation including the number of the beast all happened shortly after John predicted them. The beast was actually the emperor Nero, not Obama, or Trump lol.

    As for judgment, your comment shows you don’t take that seriously. One thing you won’t be able to claim is that you didn’t have enough information.

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    J-Mac says:

    While nobody on earth knows exactly when Jesus’ “second coming” is to occur, the bible contains some hints, such as:

    1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

    “2 For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.”

    Mat 24:21

    “21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved.”

    While the timing and nature of the great tribulation before Jesus’ “second coming” is unknown, it seems that it would NOT be a warlike tribulation since Jesus mentions wars and afflictions related to warfare before he mentions “the great tribulation”…

    Since Thessalonians 5:2-3 relates “the day of the Lord”, or his “second coming”, to “peace and security” rather than warfare, it seems possible that “the great tribulation” could turn out to be oppressive in nature to those who, according to the “peace and security” announcers and enforcers, stand in the way of worldwide attempts to establish “peace and security”…

    This is just my layman view on the theme…

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    asauber says:

    (I believe Global Warming to be the single gravest problem facing humanity)

    rvb8,

    Look up the meaning of the word ‘gullible’.

    Andrew

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    J-Mac says:

    AnimatedDust

    The beast was actually the emperor Nero, not Obama, or Trump lol.

    John began writing and finished the book of Revelation many years after the rule and death of emperor Nero. The introduction to Revelation clearly states that events there written are future and not past events.

    Rev 1:1

    “1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.”

    The language and illustrations (the beast) are prophetic in nature and could not be identified until the events actually take place IMO…

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    DiEb says:

    off topic:

    At “Uncommon Descent” and “The Skeptical Zone” in 2016, I created some pics about the number of comments and threads of these two sites in 2016. I’d appreciate any input…

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    bornagain77 says:

    DiEB, nice work. Still not going to visit.

    Most of the main top Atheistic contributors at TSZ whom I recognize and have interacted with in the past, IMHO, could care less for empirical science and are only interested in defending atheism no matter what.

    Mung has far more patience than I in such matters.

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    Mung says:

    rvb8:

    that Christ was coming soon is one of the major reasons I lost my faith around the age of twelve. It was predicted first by the living apostles, who got it wrong, and they knew Christ. After them every few years to today it has been predicted; it never materialises, so as a sceptic forgive me if I come off as ‘smug’, that is not my intention.

    That’s sad. Perhaps it is the apostles who were correct and it is their modern interpreters who are wrong.

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    rvb8 says:

    “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Matt 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32.

    ‘These things’, of course is the ligtening, darkening of the sun etc, but within, ‘this generation’.

    Didn’t happen still waiting. Of course this lack of appearance was an obstacle to the early church and they invented the, ‘wandering Jew’ as a person cursed to walk the earth until Christ’s return, and one who had also been living at the time of the crucifixion. Thus nicely giving at least one person on earth of that, ‘generation’. It also led naturally to an escillation of anti-semitism.

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    Mung says:

    rvb8, you left out the destruction of the temple.

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    Dionisio says:

    Matt 24–25

    24:1–25:46 These two chapters are the last of Jesus’ five great discourses in Matthew. Sometimes called the “Olivet discourse” because of its setting, most of the discourse is also recorded in Mark 13.

    The language is symbolic, and it deals with a number of events, not just a single incident.

    There are three basic interpretive approaches to this discourse: first, all or most of ch. 24 (at least through v. 35) is concerned exclusively with the destruction of Jerusalem, and the “coming” of the Son of Man (24:30) is the exaltation of Jesus in heaven. Second, all of the sermon is about the Second Coming of Christ in judgment. Third, the sermon combines the destruction of Jerusalem and the judgment of the world in such a way that it is difficult to separate the references to the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and the Second Coming.

    Matt 24:34

    24:34 this generation. The phrase naturally means the people living as Jesus spoke. Some suggest it means “this race,” or somewhat better, “this sort of people,” that is, evil and adulterous people, 12:39.

    all these things. That is, “all these things” referred to in v. 33, which are distinguished from the consummation itself. They are the “beginning of the birth pains” (v. 8) and signs that point to the final coming of Christ, including the siege and fall of Jerusalem. All of the elements of this prophecy, except for the Second Coming itself, had occurred in some form before the disciples died (Luke 21:32 note).

    Mark 13

    13:1–37 This chapter is known as the “Little Apocalypse” or the Olivet Discourse. It makes predictions in three areas: the coming destruction of the temple (vv. 1–4); future persecutions (vv. 5–25); and the coming of the Son of Man (vv. 26–37).

    Mark 13:30

    13:30 this generation. For the event of the destruction of the temple, the phrase refers to Jesus’ own generation.

    Luke 21:32

    21:32 generation. The Greek word usually means all the people alive at a given time, but it can also mean all of a certain kind of people (e.g., wicked or righteous). The term can also mean “race”; if this is the meaning here it signifies that the Jews will continue to the end.

    Commentaries from Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier Ministries

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    Dionisio says:

    rvb8 @17:

    You may read the comments @19, but don’t have to. It’s up to you.

    No one, including yourself, knows why you don’t have faith in God. Faith in Christ is a mystery even for those who have it.

    The arguments humans may like to present as excuses for their lack of faith are not the true reasons.

    The lack of saving faith in Christ is lack of spiritual vision.

    Such a vision is given to some of us. We are incapable of making it. We don’t deserve it. We are sinners like everybody else.

    God graciously gives it to us. That’s amazing grace, that saves wretches like me, who once were lost but now are found, were blind but now see.

    “Every Sunday before holding the bread by which we remember all that has been revealed in Christ, all that has been given in the cross, whether seen in part or partly understood, Christians profess in unison the mystery of faith. It is a mystery that does not need my solution, a mystery that continues to surprise, to nourish, and to reveal itself in life and in death: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.”

    Jill Carattini is managing editor of A Slice of Infinity at Ravi Zacharias International Ministries in Atlanta, Georgia.

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    mw says:

    rvb8, @8: “I wouldn’t mind being judged by the Lord, because at least it would allow me the opportunity to get several things off my chest!”
    __________________________________________________________________

    I am glad you would not mind being judged by the Lord.

    When I was at the age of 14, my mother, one Sunday, (the Lord’s day), hung herself from a bedroom door hook. Shock took over. Years later, I had the following dream:

    In the sky was a huge figure of a man, silver in appearance. I said, “Hey you! Why all this suffering.” Then the figure in the sky changed into a huge silverback gorilla which slowly disappeared below the horizon. I said, “I hate this bloody life.”

    When I reflect on that dream, which really is somewhat easy to understand, I cringe at my then immature arrogance; yes, there was hurt. My understanding and view of the ‘man in the sky,’ truly primitive and somewhat selfish. No mention of my own sins, of course.

    Surely rvb8, humanity kicked ‘the hell’ out of Jesus (so to speak) at the crucifixion. Is that not enough, which continues to this day in many ways?

    Another dream. An unknown man said, “but you have been wrong before.” That really stopped me in my tracks.

    Perhaps, rvb8, the return of Jesus did not happen to your liking?

    You later quote Matt 24:34; however, perhaps we need to start at verse 32: “Now learn a parable of a fig tree . . . ” and leading to: “But if the evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delays his coming;” v 48, and then read to v 51.

    Surely, Jesus ‘returns’ daily, and in many ways. Over the past almost 200 years, the world has experienced an outpouring of spiritual experiences, containing warnings, love and encouragements: Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Catholics, and seen by non-believers. For example, Call of the Ages, by Thomas W Petrisko, 1995.

    The manner of his first return after the resurrection was in the form of a new species within the limits of the image of God; instantaneous intelligent miraculous evolution in no time; that of matter-spirit. Even the disciples could not at first recognise the fact they were standing next to Jesus.

    Associated with one specific return of Jesus is the tribulation; one of justice.

    Jesus to Barbara R. Centilli said: “Graces fall to My children, all—torrents upon the earth. It begins in dreams, in insights, in memories, in hopes. Do you believe?” Barbara R. Centilli, Seeing with the Eyes of the Soul: Revelations from God Our Father to a Chosen Soul, 1998, vol. 1, p. 107.

    The above mystical quote is given for reflection: the final say, in my case, rests with the Catholic Church.

    Dreams, I believe, sometimes contain knowledge and information related to the spirit, booth good and evil. Be careful with dreams. He is there, sometimes hidden in dreams. Jesus returns in many ways.

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    Silver Asiatic says:

    mw – beautiful post. Thank you. I appreciate you sharing that deeply painful experience, and also – I fully agree about dreams. Yes, I have had similar encounters, not generated from my own imagination but coming to me from elsewhere. From Someone Else.

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    Mung says:

    rvb8:

    “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Matt 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32.

    ‘These things’, of course is the ligtening, darkening of the sun etc, but within, ‘this generation’.

    What about the elements within “these things” that did take place before that generation passed away? Shall we just ignore them?

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    Dionisio says:

    Mung @23:

    What about the elements within “these things” that did take place before that generation passed away? Shall we just ignore them?

    Your politely-dissenting interlocutor may want to read the comments posted @19 & @20 for additional information.

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    J-Mac says:

    DiEb,

    off topic:

    At “Uncommon Descent” and “The Skeptical Zone” in 2016, I created some pics about the number of comments and threads of these two sites in 2016. I’d appreciate any input…

    What kind of input are you looking for?
    Are you looking for admiration because TSZ gets more comments than UD?

    If that’s the case, you have nothing to be proud of…

    Just because you allow a bunch of morons, like Robert Byers, Mung, V.Torley and others not to mention a pen of naturalists who seem to ignore the chasms in the foundation of their faith, to publish nonsense, it doesn’t mean that you are being successful.
    Maybe you are successful in spreading s..t and misinformation…

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    DiEb says:

    @J-Mac:

    The input I’m looking for is described at the last sentence of the article:

    Alas, I cannot give any guarantee that some edits and posts were not inadvertently omitted, and I’m grateful for any party involved willing to check my results.

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    Dionisio says:

    J-Mac @25:

    What kind of input are you [DiEb] looking for?

    You may want to look at the friendly chat DiEb and I had in this thread, where DiEb openly appreciated my comments and I appreciated his comments too:
    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....elieve-it/

    BTW, the folks that post at the other website are human beings like the rest of us, created in Imago Dei, they just have different opinions, which I respect, even if I don’t agree. Those folks have as much dignity as we all have, hence I would not call them derogatory names. Only their Creator has the right to call them as He wishes. We are all creatures at the same level in God’s eyes.
    We are asked to love our neighbors as ourselves. The least we can do is to treat others respectfully.

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    Mung says:

    Thanks Dionisio.

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    Dionisio says:

    Mung @28:

    You’re very welcome!
    But I transfer all the thanks to God for changing the way I look at other people, teaching me to see them as equals to me in His eyes. He has shown me that I’m not different* than others. He has taught me to refrain from comparing myself to other people. However, I’m not there yet. The teacher could not have been better, but the student in not good, hence the transformation is taking longer than I would like it to. But there’s hope.

    (*) Well, really we’re all different, which makes life interesting.
    For example, when I compare myself to other folks, I notice they are generally much quicker than I am to figure things out. Their minds seem to operate at higher speed. When somebody says a joke during a weekend meeting, I get it by Tuesday, after my wife explains it to me.
    Most people I know are faster readers, have better reading comprehension, much more effective communication skills, and are nicer than I am.

    But that’s the way we see it. From God’s perspective we’re all His beloved creatures. He made each of us specially different, according to the purpose of His will.

    Since I don’t have access to the other website, please say hi! to everybody there for me.

    Y’all have a good weekend.

    🙂

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