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For months, some ID-friendly Facebookers have been trying to draw my attention to fake-ID Facebook pages. But Facebook is one of those systems I use without fully understanding it, so resisted getting involved.

Well, yesterday, I got clear enough information to have a look:

… you are still listed as a member on the fraudulent group. Could you please post a Warning message to that wall stating “Official Page here is a FAKE ID group run by an atheist with a FAKE account. Please do not support his fraud”.

Possibly, even a short write-up about the profile in this OP, as we have been trying to get this fraud shut down for a year?

Okay. So far as I can see, these are legitimate ID-oriented Facebook pages:

The Official ID Facebook Page (over 7000 members).

I don’t know what makes that page official. The ID community has no governing body. But it is probably representative of a large section of lay interest.

I also commend to your interest (775 members) Natural Genetic Engineering, which is named in honour of well-known molecular biologist and Darwin critic James Shapiro.

And Intelligent Design – Consistent with the program Discovery Institute (790 members) I don’t think the Discovery Institute sponsors the page; more likely, the members feel they are more in line with its goals.

Readers may wish to suggest other such pages; these are only the ones I have been asked or permitted to post links to, to spur discussions.

Okay, now about fake pages, here is one: It has 2780 members, and the artwork looks like it could be from an official page. Indeed, as the founder of the “official” ID page put it, “That’s the other thing is that since they stole our name, and copy our cover photos, it causes some members to do a double take not sure just exactly which board they’re on.”

When I posted links yesterday from Uncommon Descent to the Official ID Facebook Page, those links were appearing a sidebar at the fake page  (that, of course, may not continue hereafter). So it might at times look very much like the actual page.

It turned out I was even a member (no longer). How did that happen? I have been informed,

The purpose of his FAKE Behe and Meyer accounts is to collect creationist friends that he dumps into his fake group without permission (that’s how you ended up there) and the purpose of his FAKE group is to mock ID while booting everyone who defends ID, …

I have since left the group I never intentionally joined.

You wouldn’t even really notice what the page was unless you happened to read the intro copy written by Christopher Hartsil:

Irreducible complexity remains fallacious on a number of levels. Out of the gate it is a gap argument as not knowing how X developed is not evidence *for* anything. Secondly are the falsification criteria. They each are separate fallacies themselves.

So it obviously isn’t an ID page and one wonders how many of those some thousands of supposed members have any idea they have been enrolled.

There was a fake Mike Behe page quite recently, but it has been removed, I am told it will likely be replaced by another. Other ID theorists also have/have had/will have fake pages dedicated to detracting them as well. The Genesis Key was offered as another example, apparently from the same shop.

Some ID opponents defend the practice of fake pages. For example,

I would support ID if its claims were based on actual science. I am here because it is clearly not science, and I cannot allow ID to use MY cloak to fool its victims.

So instead of making clear that he does not support ID, he belongs to a fake ID page…

Two takehome points: People would not engage in these antics if they thought they could compete in an open forum.

Second, if they get a tighter hold on the whip hand, expect more than fake Facebook pages from them.

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"You don’t actually have a job or purpose in life, huh?" Coming from the guy compulsively commenting to try to get the last word. What's been proven here is that you yourself recognize creationists cannot stand up to debate.CHartsil
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I'd suggest to you Phinehas to spend more energy reporting proven frauds to the proper authorities and not concern yourself with being a peacemaker worried about stirring up a tempest. The man has been a pain in the ass to a lot of people for over a year and it's because of "turning the other cheek" and ignoring it that he's been given a gold star and free pass.Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Phinehas said "Setting out to prove..." Mission accomplished. Read the thread. :)Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Correct, I did forget Honza Petrasek. Honza Petrasek is a Professional engineer and one of the founding "real" members of the legit "Official Page" who no longer participates on facebook. Anything else you'd like to say?Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Paleysghost: I'd advise you to shake the dust from your boots. Setting out to prove someone else is a liar and a fraud is to give entirely too much focus and energy to liars and frauds. If you keep going down the same route, you may end up becoming indistinguishable. You are already inviting speculation as to whether you might simply be a sock-puppet to act as foil in helping a fraud stir up his own tempest in a teapot.Phinehas
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From anonymous- "The guy is a well-known psychopath and I promise that he'll be logging in with 12 more accounts day and night". Another ID prediction come true.Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Did you seriously just sign in with your 5th account to make a bigger fool out yourself? You don't actually have a job or purpose in life, huh? https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
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http://twitter.com/UncommonDescent http://www.facebook.com/UncommonDescent http://www.facebook.com/groups/UncommonDescent LolCHartsil
December 1, 2014
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Thanks to you, this article which came and went has been boosted 10 fold in it's followers. Here are three legitimate groups that only boot trolls, spammers, and fake accounts: https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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You forgot Honza Petrasek. Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about you and your inability to provide a creationist run group that doesn't censor.CHartsil
December 1, 2014
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Keep talking, Andrew Lowe (or whoever), as I've really enjoyed this opportunity to have you PROVE that you are a liar and a fraud to a wide reader membership. Thanks for your help in this matter.Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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In fact, after Lincoln Phipps was booted it was Denyse O'leary who invited him back stating "Opposition is good, as it shows exactly what these people have in their hand". You are a proven fraud and liar 10 fold. https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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The admins are "Dennis Jones, Denyse O'leary, and Mitchell Thomas Rowe", who are all real people with real accounts, thus proving you a liar once again. https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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By that you mean groups that censor.CHartsil
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Legitimate ID groups: https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Why would anyone still be an ID proponent when you couldn't name a single creationist page that doesn't censor criticism? Oh and as far as 'fake accounts' three out of the four admin accounts on the other ID page are Dennis Jones.CHartsil
December 1, 2014
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Here are legitimate ID groups who all currently have opposition criticizing the articles without being getting booted or censored, thus proving this joker to be a liar once again: https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDOfficialPage/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignTheory/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/IDIDI777ID/Paleysghost
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Why would any legitimate person come to support your bogus page after you admitted several times in this thread alone that you make fraudulent Behe and Meyer accounts and that you are an atheist who starts fraudulent Christian groups and ADMIT to having a large amount of FAKE profiles already pre-made to troll because "You are a victim".Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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Since there's nothing but censorship here as well, feel free to debate me at https://www.facebook.com/groups/IntelligentDesignOfficialPage/ I would ask that you think about what it says of a position that even its proponents recognize it can't stand up to so much as scrutiny from some guy on the internet.CHartsil
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"You’ll honestly have to start a new profile for your next 5 minutes of fame." So basically you're saying that you can't actually manage to effectively debate with someone who knows ID is garbage. "Only by people who are willfully ignorant." No, to those who actually understand science and its purview. I bet I can ask for a testable mechanism of ID and all I'll get is blocked. "ignored by 99% of the real world scientists." That would be creationists.CHartsil
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Francis Collins (for example) is a heavy hitter with a tremendous amount of respect in the scientific community, while PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins are preachers who even get berrated by their own flock. Welcome to reality.Paleysghost
December 1, 2014
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The "ID is creationism in a lab coat" mentality demonstrates exactly what kind of mental midgets we are dealing with here. The Big Bang theory was formulated and presented by a Belgium "PRIEST" and when his lab coat was on he was a "Physicist" and not a "Creationist". Internet Darwinists with this childish position represent a small group of mental midgets who are primarily ignored by 99% of the real world scientists. Sorry :(Paleysghost
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What do you say to someone who spends time reading and arguing on a topic that is idiotic and has no value at all and no power to convince anyone? Or better yet, what can you conclude about that person?Silver Asiatic
December 1, 2014
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CHartsil, I note that your reconstruction of the roots of modern design thought is based on well-poisoning falsehoods often spread by certain agit-prop groups such as NCSE. I suggest strongly to you that you scroll up, click the Resources Tab, and ponder carefully the correctives you will find there. KFkairosfocus
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ID has been exposed as nothing but repackaged creationism
Only by people who are willfully ignorant.Joe
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So, let’s do a recap… The guy ADMITS to 50,000 readers that he is making FAKE Behe and Meyer accounts and ADMITS to being an atheist who starts fraudulent Christian groups and ADMITS to having a large amount of FAKE profiles already pre-made and ready to go and then claims: “He’s the victim”. End thread/Paleysghost
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The "real" atheist with a PhD who isn't afraid to use his identity disagrees with you and nobody cares what a coward fraud and proven liar has to say. You've been exposed and are yesterdays news. You'll honestly have to start a new profile for your next 5 minutes of fame. http://spot.colorado.edu/~monton/BradleyMonton/ID.htmlPaleysghost
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So how’s that finding a creationist page that doesn’t censor criticism coming? "While the religiously motivated Anti-ID folk are busy making funny cartoons with insults — the real world is passing them by:" I really hope you're kidding. ID has been exposed as nothing but repackaged creationism and is dead in the water. Ever notice a distinct lack of criticism on creationist forums? Because even they themselves recognize it can't stand up to scrutiny. They can't have their sheep (you) thinking for themselvesCHartsil
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While the religiously motivated Anti-ID folk are busy making funny cartoons with insults --- the real world is passing them by: "Seeking God in Science is a refreshing and fair-minded exploration of intelligent design arguments. Unlike the many ideologically-driven detractors of intelligent design, Monton refuses to set up a straw man, poison the well, or dismiss it as unscientific. Bradley Monton writes as "a friendly atheist" -- one who seriously and honestly considers claims that challenge atheism. As such, this book is a welcome breakthrough." http://spot.colorado.edu/~monton/BradleyMonton/ID.htmlPaleysghost
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It also happens to be against facebook policy to run even a single FAKE profile, let alone 65. ;)Paleysghost
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