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Given Materialism, What Reason Do We Have to Trust Ourselves?

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Two years ago I asked this question:  How Can We Know One Belief Selected for By Evolution is Superior to Another?

I illustrated the conundrum faced by the evolutionary materialist (EM) with this little back and forth:

Theist: You say there is no God.

EM: Yes.

Theist: Yet belief in God among many (if not most) humans persists.

EM: I cannot deny that.

Theist: How do you explain that?

EM: Religious belief is an evolutionary adaption.

Theist: But you say religious belief is false.

EM: That’s correct.

Theist: Let me get this straight. According to you, religious belief has at least two characteristics: (1) it is false; and (2) evolution selected for it.

EM [looking a little pale now, because he’s just figured out where this is going]: Correct.

Theist: You believe the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis [NDS] is true.

EM: Of course.

Theist: How do you know your belief in NDS is not another false belief that evolution has selected for?

EM: ___________________

Our materialist friends are invited to fill in the blank.

Today I was reading an essay by Alvin C. Plantinga in The Nature of Nature that bore on this topic, and I decided to go to Google to see if anyone had attempted to fill in the blank.  And I found this by someone who posts as “Robin”:

Theist: How do you know your belief in NDS is not another false belief that evolution has selected for?

EM: Because I don’t have any belief in NDS; I understand through actual study of the data and parameters how it works and, in many cases, why it works the way it does.

Barry: Our materialist friends are invited to fill in the blank.

Done and done, wanker.

I thought this response was amusing (especially the smug “wanker” at the end), because Robin does not even understand the issue raised by my post, far less how to address it.  Let me elucidate.

The Issue

I will let Dr. Plantinga set out the issue:

[Evolutionary materialist philosopher Patricia Churchland] insists that the most important thing about the human brain is that it has evolved; this means, she says, that its principal function is to enable the organism to move appropriately:

Boiled down to essentials, a nervous system enables the organism to succeed in the four F’s: feeding, fleeing, fighting and reproducing. The principal chore of nervous systems is to get the body parts where they should be in order that the organism may survive . . . . Improvements in sensorimotor control confer an evolutionary advantage: a fancier style of representing is advantageous so long as it is geared to the organism’s way of life and enhances the organism’s chances of survival [Churchland’s emphasis. Truth, whatever that is, definitely takes the hindmost.

What Churchland means, I think, is that evolution is directly interested (so to speak) only in adaptive behavior (in a broad sense including physical functioning) not in true belief. Natural selection doesn’t care what you believe; it is interested only in how you behave. It selects for certain kinds of behavior: those that enhance fitness, which is a measure of the chances that one’s genes are widely represented in the next and subsequent generations. It doesn’t select for belief, except insofar as the latter is appropriately related to behavior . . . Churchland’s claim, I think, can perhaps be understood as a suggestion that the objective probability that our cognitive faculties are reliable, given [evolutionary] naturalism . . . is low.

Alvin C. Plantinga, Evolution Versus Naturalism, The Nature of Nature, 137

Now immediately the materialist might object that we are slicing this topic way too thinly, because while it is true that natural selection cares only about how we behave and not how we believe, our behavior necessarily follows from our beliefs.  Therefore, natural selection indirectly selects for true belief.  Not so.  As Dr. Plantinga explains, adaptive behavior and true belief are not necessarily connected at all.  He posits Paul, a prehistoric hominid who sees a hungry tiger.  Fleeing is obviously the most adaptive behavior.  But that behavior may be compelled by a large number of belief-desire pairs:

Perhaps Paul very much likes the idea of being eaten, but when he sees a tiger, always runs off looking for a better prospect, because he thinks it unlikely that the tiger he sees will eat him. This will get his body parts in the right place so far as survival is concerned, without involving much in the way of true belief . . . Or perhaps he thinks the tiger is a large, friendly, cuddly pussycat and wants to pet it; but he also believes that the best way to pet it is to run away from it . . . or perhaps he thinks the tiger is a regularly recurring illusion, and, hoping to keep his weight down, has formed the resolution to run a mile at top speed whenever presented with such an illusion; or perhaps he thinks he is about to take part in a 1600 meter race, wants to win and believes the appearance of the tiger is the starting signal; or perhaps . . . Clearly there are any number of belief-cum-desire systems that equally a given bit of behavior. (WPF 225-26)

You might object that Paul is a loon and his beliefs are ludicrous and unlikely to happen.  But that is exactly Plantinga’s point.  Even ludicrous belief, if it produces survival enhancing behavior, will be selected for, and this reinforces the point that natural selection selects for behavior, not true belief.

Plantinga also makes a point similar to that in my original post:  “Religious belief is nearly universal across the world; according to naturalists it is false, but nevertheless adaptive.”

So Robin misses the boat entirely when she dismisses the challenge of the original post with: “Because I don’t have any belief in NDS; I understand through actual study of the data and parameters how it works and, in many cases, why it works the way it does.”

Let’s examine her errors: 

Error 1:

Robin asserts she does not have any “belief in NDS” (i.e., the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis).  Nonsense.  Of course you do, and it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

You obviously misunderstood the word “belief” in the context of the post.  Wikipedia says this about “belief” in its article on epistemology:

In common speech, a statement of “belief” means that the speaker has faith (trust) that something will prove to be useful or successful— the speaker might “believe in” his favorite football team or “believe in” his dad. This is not the kind of belief addressed within epistemology. The kind dealt with simply means any cognitive content accepted as true whether or not there is sufficient proof or reason. For example, to believe that the sky is blue is to accept the proposition “The sky is blue” as true, even if one cannot see the sky. To believe is to accept as true.

In her comment Robin used “belief” in the “common speech” sense.  Obviously, I was using the word in the epistemological sense of “to accept as true.”  In that sense Robin obviously has a “belief” about the NDS.  She accepts it as true.

Error 2:

Robin says “I understand through actual study of the data . . .”

Well, that’s the question isn’t it?  The fact that you believe Darwinism is true (no matter how much you have studied) has no bearing on the question of whether your cognitive faculties are reliable in the first place.  You are essentially saying, “My cognitive faculties give me confidence that the product of my cognitive faculties (i.e, belief in the truth of Darwinism) is true.”  And that’s like saying, “You should believe I tell the truth because I am telling you that I always tell the truth.”  So your argument begs the question.

Conclusion

Reductive materialist Darwinism is irrational, because it is self-referentially incoherent.  It affirms at one and the same time two mutually exclusive propositions:  (1) A belief in reductive materialist Darwinism is a true belief; and (2) There is no way to rule out whether in any given case reductive materialist Darwinism has selected for a false belief.

So, Robin, the next time you call someone a “wanker” after you think you have just defeated their argument, you might want to find a person smarter than you (that shouldn’t be hard) and check with them  to make sure you understand the question, much less the answer to the question.

Comments
Theists are no better off than “reductive materialist Darwinists” when it comes to this issue. All of us, theists and materialists alike, know that human cognition is not perfectly reliable. (If we were wrong about that fact, then that in itself would be an error, thus proving the point.) This means that no one, including the theist, can ever be certain that any particular thought or belief is correct.
This is a weak response. The fact that the possibility exists that we are wrong about something does not mean we have good reason to think we are. In the absence of good reason to think we are mistaken about a certain proposition, we are justified in believing it. Barry is saying it happens to be the case that the materialist has a good reason to think that he/she is wrong about something. Your reply sounds childish (sorry), "Well! You aren't 100% certain about anything either, so there!"Brent
March 14, 2013
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Semi-related note on a recent experiment which, along with many other experiments from quantum mechanics (entanglement and teleportation), overturns the reductive materialism within the foundation of neo-Darwinian thought:
Feynman's double-slit experiment brought to life - March 13, 2013 Excerpt: The precise methodology of Richard Feynman's famous double-slit thought-experiment – a cornerstone of quantum mechanics that showed how electrons behave as both a particle and a wave – has been followed in full for the very first time. Although the particle-wave duality of electrons has been demonstrated in a number of different ways since Feynman popularised the idea in 1965, none of the experiments have managed to fully replicate the methodology set out in Volume 3 of Feynman's famous Lectures on Physics.,,, "Previous double-slit experiments have successfully demonstrated the mysterious properties of electrons, but none have done so using Feynman's methodology, specifically the opening and closing of both slits at will and the ability to detect electrons one at a time.,,, In 1965, Feynman popularised that electrons – historically thought to be particles – would actually produce the pattern of a wave in the double-split experiment.,,, ,,,Feynman highlighted that when electrons are fired at the wall one at a time, an interference pattern is still produced. http://phys.org/news/2013-03-feynman-double-slit-brought-life.html
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Atheists are fond of defining 'faith' as 'belief in the absence of evidence'. (Of course they are the gate keepers of what qualifies as valid evidence). It is ironic that their position requires belief in abiogenesis. thaumaturge @4 If God exists He fully and accurately comprehends Reality. If God exists He is able to communicate meaningful Truth to humans. This is not a proof that God exists (or even that humans have received Truth), however atheists have no similar hope of epistemological confidence.bevets
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I would run longer and faster than Tiger-Paul could before I would place myself anywhere near Robin's camp, but I was initally troubled by this one. I thought it reasonable to state that we can look at different types of evidence from difference sources and then on balance of probability accept this corroborating evidence as being free from cognitive error. But then I understood that this is too general a case to apply to the argument put forward. The argument applies well to materialist Darwinism because Darwinism necessarily entails subjectivity and speculation that could easily be prone to a cognitive disconnect from reality. So to me the argument stands and is, frankly, hilarious!steveO
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I believe this is a discussion better left to professional philosophers and psychologists. To me it seems poorly suited for making an argument questioning the validity of the scientifc theory of evolution. Especially since after twenty years, I still don’t know anything about ID except that ID is not in opposition to ToE, it is just the claim that magic (the effort of a mythical “designer”) is a better explanation for some signficant aspects of the evolutionary record of life. Although there are variations on the theme; some say the designer is unknown and according to Behe might even be dead by now, while others are convinced God is the designer. I don’t know if the suggested existence of multiple designers has been ruled out. Anyway, WRT the subject of beliefs, man’s abiltity to believe in just about anything you might conjure, it is a fact of life we are forced to admit is real. Beliefs may be held without any relevance at all to whether the belief is ‘true’ or ‘false’. That becomes clear when we consider the belief in the existence of Bigfoot. Some people believe in Bigfoot, and we understand that the belief is unrelated to the question: Is Bigfoot real, or not? The argument “No, religious explanations are false. Believing them is just gullibility ...” makes an important point. We have to differentiate between the undeniable fact of the religious aspects of man’s mind, and the things that man may believe. Man has a great capactiy for believing: Magic, Voodo, Marxism, alien abductions, angels, miracles, Dec. 2012 end of the world; the list is endless. Man’s tendency to believe may well be a result of evolution; it has been suggested as a positive trait in being conducive to cooperation within a tribe or population group. Salesmen are exploiting man’s nature to the best of their ability. The proliferation of religious sects with the most bizarre beliefs, with leaders adopting a postion of absolute authority comes to mind. Suicide sects are another example. What would the world look like if we did not have the ability to believe? Sir, ICBM’s are coming this way. - “Nonsense. Another aspect of religion is the experience of a power within our mind. Hearing voices is not a modern invention, it is a phenomenon well recorded in the Bible. Is the ‘speaker’ inside a man’s mind, or not? I believe there is a power in our mind. It is also the source of dreams. According to th book of Job, God is the source of dreams. According to depth psychology, dreams are a product of our subconscious. I prefer to view the subconscious as the superconscious; it knows a lot more about us than our conscious self does, and is doing its best to set us straight by dreams. Messrs. Sigmund Freud and Carl Gustav Jung said something about that. I don’t know if it has been determined if our awareness of dreams are only a byproduct of mental processes during sleep, with our interpretation of dreams only a lucky consequence? The liberating effect of dreams properly interpreted is well documented. (KJV Bible, Job 33:14 – 33) An interesting aspect of dreams is the fact that they speak in symbols. I see a conncetion with the fact that man’s early written languages were symbolic as well. Even our alphabet is made of symbols; each symbol representing a sound. With all that said, I don’t doubt that a believer may die happier than a non-believer. He may die with a big grin on his face: OMG, I am on my way to heaven to see my loved ones again and we will forever live happily together.Cabal
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Barry, Theists are no better off than "reductive materialist Darwinists" when it comes to this issue. All of us, theists and materialists alike, know that human cognition is not perfectly reliable. (If we were wrong about that fact, then that in itself would be an error, thus proving the point.) This means that no one, including the theist, can ever be certain that any particular thought or belief is correct. Even if you were to (illegitimately) assume the truth of theism, it wouldn't help your case. Assuming the existence of a God doesn't imply anything about the cognitive capabilities of his creatures. If "reductive materialist Darwinism" is true, then people can make mistakes. If theism is true, then people can also make mistakes. Our only recourse is to reason to the best of our ability, knowing that there is always a possibility that we are wrong.thaumaturge
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Given materialism, there is no self to trust. Barry: Indeed, another reason materialism is self-referentially incoherent.Mung
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If I did not trust myself, who else would I lie to?Mung
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"William Lane Craig, Evolution Versus Naturalism, The Nature of Nature, 137" Barry, I think that's Alvin Plantinga's paper, not William Lane Craig's. Barry: My bad. Fixed. Thanks Dick.Dick
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