Global Warming Denialism at the New York Times

_{Barry Arrington

September 6, 2016

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Who knew?

From Jan. 25, 1989:

After examining climate data extending back nearly 100 years, a team of Government scientists has concluded that there has been no significant change in average temperatures or rainfall in the United States over that entire period.

Of course, this is before those same scientists began cooking the books in the service of expanding government power.

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They seem to, at least.
OK Bob, Since you say that your hypothetical people seem to be suffering, what is it they are suffering from, in the context of this topic? Andrewasauber_{September 8, 2016
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asauber - read what I wrote in 60, please.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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I don’t like the idea of people suffering.
But Bob, How do you know they are actually suffering? The idea of people suffering is different from actual suffering, if it exists. Again with the imagination and stuff. Andrewasauber_{September 8, 2016
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Andre - I'm not sure if the experience is different for everyone, though. I'm not sure why meaning has to be an issue - even in a meaningless universe, suffering isn't pleasant for the person who is suffering. As someone who tries to have empathy for other people, I don't like the idea of people suffering.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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Bob O'H If the experience is different for everyone can we really call it suffering? Since the world has no meaning or reason it is obvious that suffering just like everything else also has no meaning.Andre_{September 8, 2016
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According to which standard are you defining suffering? If the uinverse just is can we really say there is even such a thing as suffering?
I suffer, when I'm in pain or feeling very stressed. Yes, it's subjective. But I don't see any reason why other people and animals don't also suffer, in similar ways. They seem to, at least.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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Bob You told me how you feel. But feelings are not reasons. Do you know what the problem is with materialism Bob? Chemical reactions that can think about chemical reactions.Andre_{September 8, 2016
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I don’t like people and animals suffering.
...at the hands of an Angry Average That Causes Bad Things. Bob, you are the most seemingly compassionate mindless piece of meat I imagine I know. Andrewasauber_{September 8, 2016
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Andre - I answered your question in 44. Maybe I didn't answer it to your satisfaction, but then perhaps you could read what I wrote, think about it, and then ask some questions so we can try to understand each others' points of view.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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Bob O'H According to which standard are you defining suffering? If the uinverse just is can we really say there is even such a thing as suffering? What do you think Bob?Andre_{September 8, 2016
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I am certain Bob will deny it what I find really funny is him using reason to deny that reason exist....Andre_{September 8, 2016
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WD400 So your take on the Polar Vortex? In 74 it was global cooling in 2013 it was global warming... Which is it?Andre_{September 8, 2016
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I'm guessing you have not read the article?wd400_{September 8, 2016
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wd400: According to the present-day "consensus," yes, they were wrong. So which set of scientists should we believe in? Wouldn't actual data help? Of course. But, they alter the raw data; so we end up with a discussion of are these adjustments valid or not. This is no more than a science which 'twists in the wind.' And which is fed by government funding.PaV_{September 8, 2016
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"What possible reasons do you have to feel this way? " Maybe Bob actually has a soul, though he might deny it.bb_{September 8, 2016
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Bob O'H Why do you feel this way Bob? What possible reasons do you have to feel this way? You have not answered the question I asked Bob.Andre_{September 8, 2016
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A persuasive argument
v, You asked. I answered. Andrewasauber_{September 8, 2016
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Andrew: Trolls like you? A persuasive argumentvelikovskys_{September 8, 2016
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what imagines it?
v, Trolls like you? Andrewasauber_{September 8, 2016
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Andre - I can only tell you how I feel. Sorry, but I don't feel I'm in a position to speak for other people with regards to morals and ethics. But I have tried to outline my reasons, and if you want to criticise me for having empathy and not liking suffering, then go ahead - that's your prerogative.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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Bob O'H You care because you feel that way? Why do you feel that way Bob? Why ought people treat you well Bob? Because you feel that way Bob? How did chemicals attain empathy and social inclinations Bob? I would love to hear a more intellectual response Bob because so far you've only responded on how you feel..... This is not a reason Bob.......Andre_{September 8, 2016
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Andre - I, at least, care because I have empathy. I don't like people and animals suffering. I think we should try to treat people (and animals) with respect. Why do I think this way? I guess because humans are social animals - it's the way our societies work. If you want a more intellectual response, then look to the Golden Rule. I don't think I'm special, so I don't see why I should be treated differently to other people. Thus, if I want to be treated well, it makes sense that other people should be treated well too.Bob O'H_{September 8, 2016
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But why should we even stop at their hypocritical nature? Why not simply ask them? Why do you even care? What possible reason can you give for your concern of the planet? It is just an insignificant spec in the universe with no reason whatsoever for its existence..... Why do you even care? What possible justification can you give for your reasons to be concerned? How does a blob of chemicals with no free will of their own overcome their chemical composition disadvantage, break free from the laws of chemistry and nature to champion the impossible ideals of saving a planet that never had them in mind in the first place? I'm all ears.Andre_{September 8, 2016
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The Climate is a very complex system, there are many factors at play, the biggest one is of course the SUN and since the 11th century we have been faithfully recording temperatures and there is one very important issue that the hysteria mongers keep missing, data shows that the heating and cooling cycles on earth are directly correlated with the Sun's solar activity cycle. That does not mean humans must be reckless it just means that humans gives themselves way too much credit for what they are actually capable of. It is amazing how the materialist preaches the insignificance of humanity but then in the same breath warn of our absolute power to destroy planets. I call such people hypocrites, what do you call them? WD400, RVB8, Pindi all cut from the same hypocritical cloth.Andre_{September 8, 2016
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RVB8
What is it about the solution to AGW,(that is alternative energies, electric cars etc) that IDers find so offensive?
And RVB8 makes a flat out false statement. Who is opposed to alternative energy? Citation please.....Andre_{September 7, 2016
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The problem The 1974 Polar Vortex, global cooling blamed. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html The 2013 Polar Vortex, global warming blamed http://science.time.com/2014/01/06/climate-change-driving-cold-weather/ What is it going to be?Andre_{September 7, 2016
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"What is it about the solution to AGW,(that is alternative energies, electric cars etc) that IDers find so offensive?" That's a straw-man. No one here is protesting alternative sources of energy. That isn't the debate and I love my solar panels.bb_{September 7, 2016
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Sorry to be late, I don't usually post on the pieces concerning Global Warming as they are invariably shards of paper read out of context, or the inane babblings of those not really qualified to comment. However, and I have asked this before, without a decent answer; What is it about the solution to AGW,(that is alternative energies, electric cars etc) that IDers find so offensive? Anything that takes decision making power away from Russia and Saudi Arabia must surely be good? I agree it's a long way off, but surely we have to start? Why wouldn't you want to live in a green city? You prefer smog? In short (and although AGW is happening) moving away from oil is good for everyone except people I generally have little time for.rvb8_{September 7, 2016
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PaV, the scientists weren't wrong in 1989. Did you read the article? Barry, I don't think I've every argued in bad faith or lied in these pages. Now, can you point out my "histrionic" comments? Or do you perhaps care to admit that you misunderstood the purpose of my single-sentence comment?wd400_{September 7, 2016
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wd400, one point of yours I will concede. Your lie was a small one, hardly worth noticing. But showing materialists to be inveterate liars, even in small things, amuses me, perhaps more than it should. And you, friend, have provided much grist for that mill over the years.Barry Arrington_{September 7, 2016
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