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Guillermoe: Champion of Abductive Reasoning at the Heart of the Design Inference

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Guillermoe has very quickly become one of our most ardent critics on these pages. That is why it was so interesting to watch him walk right into a trap that HeKS cunningly set for him. Here it is:

THE TRAP

Guillermoe:

We know what designed Stonehenge: HUMANS!!

HeKS:

How do you know this?

Guillermoe:

PAST EXPERIENCE. We know humans build things because we have observed that they do.

HeKS:

How do you know it was humans rather than aliens?

Guillermoe:

Because our past experience proves that humans exist and does not prove that aliens exist, so it’s much much more likely that humans built Stonehenge. That allows us to say A LOT of things about the designers of Stonehenge. What can we say about the intelligent designer of life on Earth?

Guillermoe obviously did not see the trap. Not only did he walk right into it, but the trap was so craftily set that he did not realize he was in it once he was there. Let’s see how.

Step 1: Guillermo admits there cannot be the slightest doubt that the circle of upright stones in Wiltshire, England known as Stonehenge was designed. He insists that we can know it was designed only because we can “know” that humans designed it.

Step 2: HeKS sets the trap by asking how we “know” it was designed by humans instead of, say, aliens, and Guillermoe walks right into the trap and makes himself at home. Guillermoe appeals to universal experience to make an inference based on abductive reasoning. To see how this is so, let us take a moment to explore the nature of abductive reasoning.

ABDUCTIVE REASONING

Abductive reasoning takes the form of inferring a cause X as an explanation for an effect Y when X is the most plausible explanation for Y. So, for example, if my lawn is wet this morning I might infer that it rained last night as the best explanation for the lawn being wet.

Abductive reasoning is different from deductive reasoning. In deductive reasoning if the premises are true the conclusion follows necessarily as a matter of logic. But even if the premise of the abductive inference is true (rain the previous night makes my lawn wet in the morning), the conclusion might nevertheless be false. It is possible, for example, that someone drove a water tanker and sprayed my lawn with water. Thus, an abductive inference is not logically compelled like a deductive conclusion. That is why it is called “inference to the BEST explanation,” not “inference to the only explanation”. Note that when a particular cause X is the only known cause of a particular effect Y, the abductive inference is much stronger.

GUILLERMO MAKES AN ABDUCTIVE INFERENCE

HeKS asked Guillermoe how he knows that humans rather than aliens built Stonehenge, and Guillermoe made the following abductive argument:

1. Stonehenge is a monument.

2. With respect to all monuments whose provenance is actually known for certain, the sole known cause of the monuments has been “built by humans.”

3. Therefore, it is much more likely (inference to best explanation) that humans built Stonehenge.

Guillermoe’s argument took the form “X is the generally most plausible cause of effect Y. We see a specific instance of Y; therefore the best explanation of this instance of Y is X.” In other words, we infer that X is the best current explanation of this Y.

Guillermoe moved off of his original overstated conclusion. He went from we “know” who built Stonehenge (obviously we know no such thing) to its “much more likely that humans built Stonehenge” (a perfectly sound abductive inference).

Notice how without knowing it Guillermoe has given away the store from a materialist perspective. He has tacitly acknowledged that with respect to a particular instance of apparent design, we cannot make an infallible deductive conclusion concerning the provenance of the design. The best we can do is make an abductive inference to best explanation. In doing so Guillermoe has validated the mode of reasoning at the heart of the ID program.

In exactly the same way, the ID proponent observes some aspect of living things that even the most ardent atheist will admit appears to be designed for a purpose, the digital code in DNA for example. He then notes that X (intelligent agency) is a possible cause of this effect Y (digital code). He goes one step further and notes that “intelligent agency” is the only known cause of the effect “digital code” where the provenance of the digital code has been actually observed. Therefore, we infer that the best explanation for this particular instance of digital code is “intelligent agency.”

Guillermoe is well and truly stuck. With respect to the DNA code effect, for example, in order to wiggle out of the trap set by his own reasoning he has three options:

1. Deny that the DNA code is a digital code. This is absurd.
2. Deny that the only known cause of digital code where the provenance is actually known is intelligent agency. An obvious falsehood
3. Beg the question by saying we “know” chance/necessity can account for the DNA code. Of course, we “know” no such thing. It is routinely assumed; it has never been demonstrated.

Comments
Mark Frank- we quote wikipedia because as far as we can tell it is a materialist's holy authority.Joe
October 4, 2014
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#34 Vishnu It amuses me that the ID community disparage Wikipedia so much when it refers to ID and then quote from it extensively when its suits them. Actually I think Wikipedia is pretty good but it is an encyclopedia not an in-depth analysis. If you look at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article you will find a much more rigorous discussion of the different definitions of abduction and their weaknesses. However, I don't want to make a big deal of the looseness of the definition. I fully accept that it describes a related modes of inference that are widely used in science and elsewhere, are often the only practical approach, and frequently lead to correct inferences. The important point is abduction is not necessarily valid (note the Wikipedia article says that abduction is formally equivalent to the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent) and the best way to explore whether a specific instance is valid is to do a Bayesian analysis.Mark Frank
October 4, 2014
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Definition Deficit Disorder. When reasoning you're happy to employ anywhere else leads you to a conclusion in one area you dislike, question the definition of the reasoning.William J Murray
October 4, 2014
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Mark Frank: That is probably true (depending on how you define “abductive”).
Well, of course, anything can be true or false depending how you define terms. But you can start here from these: From Wikipedia "Abductive Reasoning":
Abductive reasoning (abduction) allows inferring a as an explanation of b. Because of this inference, abduction allows the precondition a to be abduced from the consequence b. Deductive reasoning and abductive reasoning thus differ in the direction in which a rule like "a entails b" is used for inference. As such, abduction is formally equivalent to the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent (or Post hoc ergo propter hoc) because of multiple possible explanations for b. For example, in a billiard game, after glancing and seeing the eight ball moving towards us, we may abduce that the cue ball struck the eight ball. The strike of the cue ball would account for the movement of the eight ball. It serves as a hypothesis that explains our observation. Given the many possible explanations for the movement of the eight ball, our abduction does not leave us certain that the cue ball in fact struck the eight ball, but our abduction, still useful, can serve to orient us in our surroundings. Despite many possible explanations for any physical process that we observe, we tend to abduce a single explanation (or a few explanations) for this process in the expectation that we can better orient ourselves in our surroundings and disregard some possibilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_reasoning From the Wikipedia "Scientific Method":
Abductive reasoning (also called abduction,[1] abductive inference[2] or retroduction[3]) is a form of logical inference that goes from an observation to a hypothesis that accounts for the observation, ideally seeking to find the simplest and most likely explanation. In abductive reasoning, unlike in deductive reasoning, the premises do not guarantee the conclusion. One can understand abductive reasoning as "inference to the best explanation".[4] The fields of law,[5] computer science, and artificial intelligence research[6] renewed interest in the subject of abduction. Diagnostic expert systems frequently employ abduction... 1. Abduction (or retroduction). Guessing, inference to explanatory hypotheses for selection of those best worth trying. From abduction, Peirce distinguishes induction as inferring, on the basis of tests, the proportion of truth in the hypothesis. Every inquiry, whether into ideas, brute facts, or norms and laws, arises from surprising observations in one or more of those realms (and for example at any stage of an inquiry already underway). All explanatory content of theories comes from abduction, which guesses a new or outside idea so as to account in a simple, economical way for a surprising or complicative phenomenon. Oftenest, even a well-prepared mind guesses wrong. But the modicum of success of our guesses far exceeds that of sheer luck and seems born of attunement to nature by instincts developed or inherent, especially insofar as best guesses are optimally plausible and simple in the sense, said Peirce, of the "facile and natural", as by Galileo's natural light of reason and as distinct from "logical simplicity". Abduction is the most fertile but least secure mode of inference. Its general rationale is inductive: it succeeds often enough and, without it, there is no hope of sufficiently expediting inquiry (often multi-generational) toward new truths.[91] Coordinative method leads from abducing a plausible hypothesis to judging it for its testability[92] and for how its trial would economize inquiry itself.[93] Peirce calls his pragmatism "the logic of abduction".[94] His pragmatic maxim is: "Consider what effects that might conceivably have practical bearings you conceive the objects of your conception to have. Then, your conception of those effects is the whole of your conception of the object".[88] His pragmatism is a method of reducing conceptual confusions fruitfully by equating the meaning of any conception with the conceivable practical implications of its object's conceived effects – a method of experimentational mental reflection hospitable to forming hypotheses and conducive to testing them. It favors efficiency. The hypothesis, being insecure, needs to have practical implications leading at least to mental tests and, in science, lending themselves to scientific tests. A simple but unlikely guess, if uncostly to test for falsity, may belong first in line for testing. A guess is intrinsically worth testing if it has instinctive plausibility or reasoned objective probability, while subjective likelihood, though reasoned, can be misleadingly seductive. Guesses can be chosen for trial strategically, for their caution (for which Peirce gave as example the game of Twenty Questions), breadth, and incomplexity.[95] One can hope to discover only that which time would reveal through a learner's sufficient experience anyway, so the point is to expedite it; the economy of research is what demands the leap, so to speak, of abduction and governs its art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method Without abduction, science wouldn't even get off the ground because it is integral in the formation of hypothesis.Vishnu
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Evolutionism by deductive inference: 1. Science accepts only natural causes. 2. Blind watchmaker evolution is the only naturalistic explanation. --------- 3. Blind watchmaker evolution is scientifically true.Box
October 4, 2014
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#29 Barry I am not saying abductive reasoning is always invalid. I am just saying it is loosely defined and not necessarily valid. The way to find out if a specific example is valid is to break it down in an a Bayesian fashion. When reconstructing an evolutionary past I would say that scientists are doing two things which correspond to my Bayesian analysis: They are proposing explanations that 1) might well have happened - the prior probability is acceptable 2) would have a good chance of producing what we observe - the likelihood is acceptable Whether you want to call that abductive reasoning is up to you. 2)Mark Frank
October 4, 2014
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Joe asks:
Mark Frank- what type of reasoning does evolutionism use? It isn’t inductive and it isn’t abductive, so what is it?
To paraphrase Doyle, once you eliminate the ideologically unacceptable, whatever remains, no matter how absurd, must be the truth.William J Murray
October 4, 2014
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#28 Vishnu
And yet you employ it every day or your life. You must, or else you would die.
That is probably true (depending on how you define "abductive"). As I said it is a good description of how we often reason in practice and it is a useful heuristic. But that does not mean it always valid.Mark Frank
October 4, 2014
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Joe's question @ 26 is apt. Mark, how would you characterize the mode of reasoning when scientists attempt to reconstruct events in the distant past and attempt to determine whether the blind watchmaker evolutionary models is correct: 1. Deductive; 2. Inductive; 3. Abductive; 4. Other? Please explain your answer. It seems to me that abductive mode is inescapable when the inquiry is into non-replicable distant events.Barry Arrington
October 4, 2014
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Mark Frank: In other words abductive reasoning is unclear and not necessarily valid.
And yet you employ it every day or your life. You must, or else you would die.Vishnu
October 4, 2014
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G'moe:
I know humans designed Stonehenge because I have SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE about what humans built ans SO MUCH EVIDENCE about the existence of humans that it turns it really really really in the most plausible explanation to Stonehenge.
A detective investigating a death comes to the inference it was a murder. The detective goes to his boss and says- "This is a murder and I know who did it- it was a human!" Do you think the boss would be impressed? Does G'moe grasp the simple fact that it took many, many years of investigation and research of Stonehenge just to come up the vague notion of "humans didit"?
Have you seen the designer design, as I have seen humans built?
I, and many other humans, have made lightning. By G'moe's "logic" all lightning is man-made. As I have said before, G'moe is not interested in science as it requires absolute proof. That would mean that G'moe cannot be an evolutionist because evolutionism doesn't have anything. Perhaps that is why G'moe is so angry.Joe
October 4, 2014
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Mark Frank- what type of reasoning does evolutionism use? It isn't inductive and it isn't abductive, so what is it? As for independent evidence, what is that? Does Mark think that we actually have to observe the designer? We don't know if humans from thousands of years ago could design and build Stonehenge. We cannot test that claim. Yet, just because there were human remains around the site, which could have been there well after the fact, we say humans didit. But I digress- The evidence for ID from biology is independent from the evidence of design from cosmology.Joe
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G'moe:
By the way, my biggest claim against ID is that there is no natural feature for which you can give a useful explanation from ID (I mean, an explanation of how it came to be).
ID is NOT about the how. How it came to be is separate from whether or not it was intelligently designed. Determining whether or not it was designed comes first. Only after we have determined it was intelligently designed do we care about the designer and/or the processes used. That is how science operates and it is very telling the G'moe is ignorant of that.Joe
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PS: Do you seriously intend for us to accept of your intelligence, that it is "a rather vague allusion" -- as opposed to a trait that is often manifested in phenomena such as the FSCO/I in your comment? That seems rather self referential and undermining. PPS: As for the demand for independent, separate knowledge of responsible intelligences, first you know or should know that the remote past of origins is unobservable and we seek to reconstruct a reasonable model on its traces in the present through applying causes known to have capability of such effects on observation. So, you are either saying let us abandon origins science studies or you are being selectively hyperskeptical. As, you are obviously committed to the a priori evolutionary materialist narrative, per long track record, it is the latter. Instead, I put it to you that so long as we cannot rule out the reasonable possibility of potential designers at relevant times and places which happen to be beyond our observation, it is question begging to demand what you know is tantamount to such ruling out. Further, given the strength of FSCO/I as a reliable sign of design and the needle in haystack blind search challenge to get such high contingency and functional specificity by blind chance and mechanical necessity, the presence of FSCO/I in traces from that past is actually credible empirical evidence for the very existence of designers that you do not wish to darken the door of your ideology. Let's not forget, the cell has digital -- discrete-state -- codes, algorithms (step by step finite execution sequences that attain discernible target states or results) and executing machinery in it.kairosfocus
October 4, 2014
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MF at 21, The alternative Mark is to do as you do; simply (deliberately choose to) ignore the physical evidence that the encoding of information at the origin of life required physical conditions that would not appear on earth again until the recording of language and mathematics - and prefer instead to hold a belief in a mysterious material process that no one has the slightest clue ever existed because it left no traces of its existence. Your P(O|E) and P(E) are empty. Feel free to delude yourself that you are taking an informed and rational position.Upright BiPed
October 4, 2014
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MF: Pardon, but there are people who debate the wider legitimacy of inductive reasoning and even first principles of reason. Where science as an institution, management, common sense thought and much more rely implicitly on induction including abductive reasoning. If you wish to overturn everything that is significantly objected to you throw out baby, bathwater and bath-pan alike. Rather, I suggest to you that abductive reasoning is a legitimate framework for inductive reasoning, which supports conclusions and on a case by case basis can be strong indeed, though there will always be cases where the support is too weak to rely on. In the case of the core design inference on FSCO/I we have now trillions and growing cases, observed. On direct inspection uniformly FSCO/I results from intelligently directed contingency, design. E.g. your post was designed, it is not lucky noise on the Internet. The needle in haystack cosmos scale restricted blind search resources analysis shows why that is plausible, as a tiny blind sample of a very large pop of possibilities will with high confidence reflect the bulk, not deeply isolated rare zones. Which by virtue of needing well matched properly arranged and coupled parts, FSCO/I will be. All this, you know or long since should have known. Please, think afresh. KFkairosfocus
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The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on abduction:
the exact form as well as the normative status of abduction are still matters of controversy.
In other words abductive reasoning is unclear and not necessarily valid. It is a good description of how we often reason in practice but that does not mean that it is valid reasoning. In particular some notorious fallacies can be described as abductive reasoning. The legal profession are famously prone to this (Barry?) e.g the Prosecutor’s Fallacy. One of the problems with abductive reasoning is defining what makes an explanation a good (or in Barry’s words “plausible”) explanation. The best way to get to grips with it is a Bayesian analysis. It is tempting to equate “plausible” with “Prob(O|E) is close to 1” where O is the observation and E is the explanation. This would mean that an omnipotent designer was the best explanation for all observations. This omits the other half of the Bayesian analysis which is Prob(E). Humans are an excellent explanation of Stonehenge because both P(O|E) and P(E) are high. P(O|E) is based on observation of current human behaviour. P(E) is based on our knowledge of history. Aliens are a much poorer explanation because P(E) is low – we have no independent evidence there were aliens on earth at that time – and P(O|E) is undefined because we know nothing about the abilities or motives of the proposed aliens. ID is like the aliens but worse. We have no idea what E is – just a rather vague allusion to “intelligence”. If we are talking about life then this intelligence must have been functioning 4 billion years ago which makes P(E) extremely low and P(O|E) totally undefined.Mark Frank
October 4, 2014
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Guillermoe: Choose one example and prove it.
It's not about "proof". It about inference to the best explanation.
Choose one biological feature you like and and tell me what ID explains of it.
A coded information system, for one. One of these makes up the DNA/Ribosome replicator. Coded information is one of the things SETI (the "Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence") is looking for. Why? Because as far as we know, it is a hallmark of intelligence. I.e, intelligent design. From SETI's website:
How do you know if you’ve detected an intelligent, extraterrestrial signal? The main feature distinguishing signals produced by a transmitter from those produced by natural processes is their spectral width, i.e. how much room on the radio dial do they take up? Any signal less than about 300 Hz wide must be, as far as we know, artificially produced. Such narrow-band signals are what all SETI experiments look for. Other tell-tale characteristics include a signal that is completely polarized or the existence of coded information on the signal.
http://www.seti.org/faq When you look at a DNA/Ribosome replicator you're looking at coded information "right in the face."Vishnu
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Guillermoe, In comment #4 your said that intelligent design by humans is...
the most plausible [i.e. the best] explanation to Stonehenge.
In light of this, can you please provide me with a definitive and true account of who the (probably human) individuals were who built it, what purpose it was built for, and what methods were employed in building it? Please note, I don't want any speculative answers here. I want the true and definitive account of exactly what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. Can you give me these answers?HeKS
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Barry OP: #2. Deny that the only known cause of digital code where the provenance is actually known is intelligent agency. An obvious falsehood
Option 4: he can bather on and on like RDFish/AIGuy about how the ID community cannot or has not defined what "intelligent" means, which is false.Vishnu
October 4, 2014
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I agree with Querius. G'moe, you may not like that Barry drew attention to your faulty reasoning in the OP, but he was not rude or condemnatory. On the other hand, your tone has been routinely off-putting and you write with a degree of arrogance and self-assuredness that far exceeds your grasp of the relevant issues. If you don't want to be made an object lesson, consider the criticisms of people who obviously have more familiarity with the subject matter and adjust your arguments to address the actual position of your opponents rather than blithely powering on with your misunderstandings, strawman arguments and irrelevancies. If you take that approach you will likely find that people are far more willing to have real discussions with you and answer questions they think are asked in good faith as opposed to ones that seem to be rooted in a determined ignorance. As I said in the other thread, when I ended the discussion with you I did so because you appeared to me to be trolling rather than having a serious discussion ... and that's not at all an interpretation that I'm typically inclined to make. And, to be honest, I'm not yet convinced that I was wrong.HeKS
October 3, 2014
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Guillermoe retorted
When I comment an article they wrote about me? Are you kidding?
Since you're asking me, I'd say no. It's better when one remains cordial in a discussion. Oh, and I think there should be an "on" after "comment." ;-) -QQuerius
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guillermoe: Man, an ID blogspot writting about ME? I can tell you it has happened to me too and I'm a long time ID supporter financially and otherwise, so take it as a compliment to have contributed something didactically useful. .... What is an intelligent cause exactly? How did an intelligent cause produce life on Earth? If you are a materialist, certainly you are familiar with the self-styled "Brights" (e.g. Richard Dawkins) who have no problem defining intelligence. And in fact think of themselves as the ultimate manifestation of intelligent cause, since they obviously have a cause, and obviously are the most intelligent subjects of some kind of planetary vision they promote. OK so lets assume the opposite of a "Bright" is stupid. So I assume that since you (apparently) argue against design that is intelligent, you are for design that is stupid. And maybe even look for examples to support your position. And so the realization of your (I assume) position is that any design in nature, perceived by any person of any age, young or old, must be that the natural order somehow behind this perceived design is therefore stupid. So that is that, any child expressing wonderment at harmony and brilliance in nature must be corrected, and really quickly clued in: that nature is stupid. As told by the "Brights".groovamos
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Querious: "Wow! Notice how quickly G has collapsed into ad hominem abuse." When I comment an article they wrote about me? Are you kidding?Guillermoe
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@G'moe #11 I'm going to ask the same thing here I asked in another thread (it hasn't been answered there yet):
I’m curious… being, among other things, a computer programmer (primarily of User Interfaces), is there some meaningful description that can be offered of how I program that does not consist primarily of the thought processes I use to plan out the logic of the interface functionality or the details of how the medium in which my design plan is instantiated happens to carry out my instructions?
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Guillermoe wrote
Why don’t you answer that question, too. Intelectual challenges are entertaining, once you get your brain to work.
Wow! Notice how quickly G has collapsed into ad hominem abuse. Oh, and intellectual is spelled with two ls. ;-) -QQuerius
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Moose Dr: "Canard! All of biology, all of astronomy screams of natural feature for which ID is the best useful explanation. In addition, history records, and many of us have experienced, events of providence that seem well beyond the explanation of chance." Choose one example and prove it. Choose one biological feature you like and and tell me what ID explains of it. THE REST: Why don't you answer that question, too. Intelectual challenges are entertaining, once you get your brain to work. By, the way Mapou, BAN? I ask you to explain ID and your answer is "Ban him"? Questions are dangerous?Guillermoe
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He is boring but we do get this at least ...
I know humans built it because I HAVE SEEN OTHER BUILDINGS BUILT BY HUMANS (FOR CERTAIN).
LOL - I know for certain that Dave committed the murder because I HAVE SEEN OTHER GUYS WHO LOOK KIND OF LIKE DAVE WHO MURDERED PEOPLE (FOR CERTAIN).Silver Asiatic
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Guillermoe:
Quote this the next time: “He insists that we can know it was designed only because we can “know” that humans designed it.” No, idiot. I know humans built it because I HAVE SEEN OTHER BUILDINGS BUILT BY HUMANS (FOR CERTAIN).
I say, ban Guillermoe. He's boring.Mapou
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Guillermoe is hung up on HOW. But HOW is unknowable. Design is real, but the HOW is unknowable. Overwhelming evidence of ID, but HOW is unknowable. Not Of This World. NOTW. Requires a leap of faith. Some will never take the leap. Guillermoe is not a leaper.ppolish
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