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Has anyone else noticed the blatant political flavor of many sciencey mags these days?

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Yes, it was always there but recently, as the editors become ever more self-righteous (= Us vs. the Unwashed), it has become more open and that sure isn’t an improvement. Two items noted in passing:

Big Climate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an important organization with a primary purpose to assess the scientific literature on climate in order to inform policy…

Regrettably, the IPCC WG2 has strayed far from its purpose to assess and evaluate the scientific literature, and has positioned itself much more as a cheerleader for emissions reductions and produced a report that supports such advocacy. The IPCC exhorts: “impacts will continue to increase if drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are further delayed – affecting the lives of today’s children tomorrow and those of their children much more than ours … Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”

The focus on emissions reductions is a major new orientation for WG2, which previously was focused exclusively on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. The new focus on mitigation is explicit, with the IPCC WG2 noting (1-31) that its focus “expands significantly from previous reports” and now includes “the benefits of climate change mitigation and emissions reductions.” This new emphasis on mitigation colors the entire report, which in places reads as if adaptation is secondary to mitigation or even impossible. The IPCC oddly presents non-sequiturs tethering adaptation to mitigation, “Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.”

Roger Pielke, Jr., “A Rapidly Closing Window to Secure a Liveable Future” at The Honest Broker Newsletter/Substack (March 2, 2022)

The relentless drum-banging will probably have the opposite effect of the one desired, especially when (as is sure to happen) some emission reduction strategies do much more harm than good and the boosters are running for cover, misrepresenting those outcomes in the name of “Trust the Science.”

And then there are the ridiculous efforts in popular science media to snuff out any awareness of the possibility that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab doing research on making viruses more powerful. How awful of any of us to suggest such a thing! Here’s an intro to a podcast on the topic:

We have featured the work of science writer Matt Ridley on several occasions over the years. Now he is the author (with Alina Chan) of the new book Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. Brendan O’Neill has recorded a podcast with Ridley to discuss how the Covid-19 virus might have leaked from a lab in Wuhan and how scientists tried to suppress the lab-leak origin theory. Spiked has posted the podcast here. I have embedded it below.

The New York Times continues to flog the alleged natural origin of the plague. Most recently, the Times has promoted “new research” pointing to the live animal market in Wuhan as the origin: “Analyzing a wide range of data, including virus genes, maps of market stalls and the social media activity of early Covid-19 patients across Wuhan, the scientists concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.” However, “some gaps” in the evidence still remain. “The new [unpublished] papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.”

Scott Johnson, “The case for the lab-leak theory” at Powerline Blog (March 4, 2022)

More re Viral

Science writer Matt Ridley thinks science is reverting to a cult. Maybe his next book should be about that.

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LCD
This concept of God sit right in the top of hierarchy of all possible value hierarchies. Minimizing God idea is nothing else than a psychological protection(“sunscreen”) against biggest defeater of their worldview. Is not a joke to have challenged your worldview , it’s very stressful and this stress can bring organic/psychological problems. That’s why atheists use the method of “minimizing” the God concept : “it’s unimportant like Spagetti Monster, Santa, Zeus, Thor, fairy tale, stamp collection” ? , etc . to convince themselves that the lion is just a mouse, no danger, everything is fine. It’s like drinking to make your problem disappear .
That is great. I never thought about it that way - it definitely makes sense. The person has to exalt his own ego to be bigger and more important than the author of life - that's a big deal.Silver Asiatic
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In some spiritual traditions, the self aspect of the Qua is referred to as "Ego." IOW, "ego" is the experience of self in the context of the whole self/other experience. The idea of being contingent can be understood this way, IMO, better and more comprehensively than along an axis of time. The self/other Qua experience is an experience, and experiences do not cause themselves. Something in the now is causing a self/other experience. So, again referring to more spiritual perspectives, there is something behind or under Qua (which contains the Ego) that is not the Ego, which is the experience of self apart from other. What is causing it is not itself an experience; it is not a self; it is not experiencing anything or else "it" would also be "an experience." IMO, the best we can do in terms of identifying the cause of Qua is to find a universal, self-evidently true causal commodity that can be understood in terms of being a necessary aspect of any and every Qua. I refer back to "enjoyment." The primordial, universal urge to enjoy, to seek maximum sustainable enjoyment, either direct or abstract. Although we have no access to that cause other than inasmuch as we can experience it, like the Law of Identity it is immediately recognizable as the fundamental intention driving every Qua experiential set. Every free will choice is one of preference in service of some enjoyment, either direct or abstract, in terms of increasing current enjoyment, decreasing unenjoyment, or managing current and future enjoyment. It's the same root, causal intent that is expressed billions (if not more) individual ways. Some might argue that "finding truth" is more fundamental, but the fact is, "truth" is only sought in terms of enjoyment, as means of better acquiring or managing enjoyment, because people think that "truth" will ultimately provide some fundamental enjoyment. Truth is abandoned, avoided, obfuscated and denied if the threat to enjoyment is too great. Also, some might say that my finding of "expressing/seeking enjoyment" as the root cause of Qua is the product of truth-seeking. It's not. I'm arranging truth in service of enjoyment, but I argue that is what everyone here is ultimately doing: arranging arguments, logic, facts and truth to serve their enjoyment structure. I think it is useful to think of another element to "Qua," on the side of "self," is fee will, but I don't think free will is an extra-Qua commodity; free will intention is only a capacity available within Qua, and what free will represents is the capacity of the "self" side of the Qua to explore enjoyment options. As someone else here argued, free will cannot be applied or even said to exist without reasons, nor can it be said to exist outside of a self/other context. In this model, the root reason of all free will is "to enjoy," and free will capacity is determined by the breadth and depth of options available in the Qua to express that fundamental reason in terms of inner and external, direct and abstract choices.William J Murray
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Indeed, God concept it's the biggest meta idea that exist and that can be conceived by humans . This concept of God sit right in the top of hierarchy of all possible value hierarchies. Minimizing God idea is nothing else than a psychological protection("sunscreen") against biggest defeater of their worldview. Is not a joke to have challenged your worldview , it's very stressful and this stress can bring organic/psychological problems. That's why atheists use the method of "minimizing" the God concept : "it's unimportant like Spagetti Monster, Santa, Zeus, Thor, fairy tale, stamp collection" :lol: , etc . to convince themselves that the lion is just a mouse, no danger, everything is fine. It's like drinking to make your problem disappear .Lieutenant Commander Data
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SA @860... they suppress the truth of God because they want to do what they want to do when they want to do it... but it's the way of death and destruction, instead of being given eternal life. They are deceived by the evil one. Just like Adam and Eve, the idea of being "like God" is too much temptation for us to bear...so we eat the fruit. We love thinking we are in control and get to be arbiters of truth and morality. Particularly... after reading about Jesus... who wouldn't want to be a friend of God? Who wouldn't want to spend time with the creator of the universe (and mankind) who knows what we need and what is best for us and died to save us? Why wouldn't you want to be loved to that degree?zweston
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Andrew
Why would you not try to seek Him if it’s possible He’s out (or in) there somewhere?
As above - why get so angry when people want to introduce you to the fun they're having stamp collecting? Or maybe there's something more important to the whole thing that people want to try to avoid?Silver Asiatic
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It's more like how believing in free market economy and trying to eliminate free markets are both political positions. Also makes us wonder why so many atheists get angry and hostile about stamp collecting.Silver Asiatic
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Lieutenant Commander Data “Believing in God” and “Not believing in God” are both religions ,first works with the fuel of humbleness later works with the fuel of arrogance."
:lol: Then Seversky hastily jumped to confirm me:
Seversky As someone once said, that’s like saying collecting stamps and not collecting stamps are both hobbies,
That's not all . Chuckdarwin wanted to confirm me too:
Chuckdarwin Seversky You just crack me up sometimes…
:lol: They just can't resist to this urge .Lieutenant Commander Data
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Seversky You just crack me up sometimes...chuckdarwin
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SA You are a class act...chuckdarwin
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"As someone once said, that’s like saying collecting stamps and not collecting stamps are both hobbies" Sev, Bad analogy. Believing in God or not is not entertainment. It's a position from which a lot of different ideas proceed. Stamps, not so much. Andrewasauber
April 1, 2022
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As someone once said, that's like saying collecting stamps and not collecting stamps are both hobbies,Seversky
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“Believing in God” and “Not believing in God” are both religions" LCD, You are correct, sir. Andrewasauber
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Asauber I think the psychology of “why do people deny God” is interesting
"Believing in God" and "Not believing in God" are both religions ,first works with the fuel of humbleness later works with the fuel of arrogance.Lieutenant Commander Data
April 1, 2022
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I think the psychology of "why do people deny God" is interesting. Why would you not try to seek Him if it's possible He's out (or in) there somewhere? Added: there's a reason Atheists are a small minority. Andrewasauber
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CD Thanks for your sincere reply.
You seem to put a premium on formalisms and “gotcha” talking points, like this is a game.
I apologize that I have given that impression. I don't think of it as a game or anything trivial like that. I respect that you're building understanding and some ideas may not be consistent. I've referred to you as a deist many times before, so I won't do that. The reason I press people to declare what worldview they're defending (and expect them to be consistent with it) is that I will try to adapt my responses to the ideas that a person is comfortable with. If I argue with another theist, I can use ideas that we already both accept. Same with a deist - that person will already accept First Cause reasoning. An evolutionary materialist has certain ideas that they hold, so I try to work with whatever common knowledge we have.Silver Asiatic
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SA, yes, though the Math points to a logical challenge once we have a CTTh-W in hand, like our world. KFkairosfocus
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CD, the relevant psychology is, psychology of ideologies and worldviews, it is not confined to religion as though it were a suspect entity. To which the answer is, there are many reasons for belief and for worldviews, ideologies, policy agendas etc. But Agrippa's trilemma is a common core issue: for each A that is accepted, there is a source or reason B, thence C, D . . . So, as infinite regress is impossible and circularity that begs questions is futile, we are left at F, the faith point constituting first plausibles accepted as the base for all else. This includes experiences and self evident truths but also must include plausibles that are accepted as they help make sense of cope etc. In this sense, we all live by faith, hopefully reasonable faith. the question is which and why. hence metaphysics considered as critical analysis of worldviews and reality, with logic of being a major facet. And, this brings us to ultimates, necessary being world root and more. thence too the humbling result that all major worldviews have difficulties, in some cases -- e.g. evolutionary materialistic scientism -- fatal. Consequently the fundamental method of philosophy is comparative difficulties, and this then bleeds over into the psychology. As for reality of God, once we see that on logic of being we do need a finitely remote necessary being world root, the floor is open for serious candida5es, constrained by need to account for a world with rational, responsible, significantly free morally governed creatures, us. Post Euthyphro and post Hume, that sets a bill of requisites, to bridge the implied is-ought gap in the root the only possible place for such: inherently good and utterly wise. necessary being already implies eternal and root implies capable of being source of worlds. After centuries of discussion, there is just one serious candidate, the inherently good, utterly wise creator God, a necessary and maximally great being, one worthy of loyalty and of the responsible, reasonable service that accords with our evident nature. If you doubt, just put up an alternative and address factual adequacy __ coherence ____ and balanced explanatory power ____ (neither ad hoc nor simplistic). Where, a serious candidate necessary being . . . unlike say a flying spaghetti monster [composite, material etc] . . . is either impossible of being [square circle] or actual. Those who would dismiss or deny God have yet to put forth a cogent reason why God is impossible of being. KFkairosfocus
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SA, let me refine, W'_n moves to W'_c, where A then arises from the shift of configuration or contents, and A emerges as a result. KFkairosfocus
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SA My post @828 has to do with the psychological basis for people's religious behavior. To me the psychology of religion is much more interesting than the philosophy of religion or theology. The question "Why do people believe in a God(s)?" is infinitely more interesting than "Is there a God?" because I think we can actually answer the former. You and I have differing views of "deism." You seem to put a premium on formalisms and "gotcha" talking points, like this is a game. That is the general tenor of this blog towards participants that don't subscribe to Christianity. Suffice it to say that I think I've pretty consistently said that my sympathies lie with deism, not that I identify as a deist per se. That distinction seems to have been lost on you. Either way, though, I will be the first to admit that there are likely glaring inconsistencies in my belief system. But that simply means I've still got things to learn....chuckdarwin
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KF
by logic of structure and quantity plus core physicality, had a beginning at finite remove
We can bring in results from several arguments to support that proposal - the Kalam argument regarding whatever begins to exist. Contingent, potential being requiring actual being. I also find the argument on degrees of contingency and therefore perfection to work alongside.Silver Asiatic
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SA, in a nutshell, start with the idea that a PW is a sufficiently complete description, a book of propositions that describes how this world or another world is or was or will be or could be or could have been, implying feasibility. From this, use the LOI and corollaries to observe that any A is itself i/l/o defining characteristics, duly noting that if two claimed candidates A and B are indiscernible, we can simply hold A and B synonyms for the same entity. So, contemplate world W, distinct from near neighbour W' by having A, try our big red medicine ball on a table. W = {A|(W" = ~A)}. The difference brings in the cause of A. Which then is a sufficient reason for some contingent A. By contrast, a necessary, possible being is framework to any possible world, we gave 2 as an example already, so we understand the reason for N is that it is part of how a world can be, no world is possible of being without its complement of necessary entities, which of course includes core numbers, N,Z,Q,R,R*,C etc. Notice, hyperreals, which allows us to see how a causal-temporal-thermodynamic world CTTh-W like ours, with successive finite stages [years for short] cannot have traversed a transfinite actual past as stepwise traversal of the transfinite in finite steps is an infeasible supertask. Our CTTh-W, by logic of structure and quantity plus core physicality, had a beginning at finite remove. That says nothing about another class of world, W0, the root of reality from which CTTh-W worlds would come, a root reality that is necessary being and eternal. Note, were there ever utter non being, the real nothing, call it the zero world, not even enough to have quantities, such having no causal capabilities, there could be no CTTh-W such as ours. Where circular retrocausation is disguised appeal to 0, as the not yet calls itself into being, nope. As at least one CTTh-W is, W0 always was as its root and existing support. The onward issue is, what is W0. KFkairosfocus
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KF
but we have no good reason to infer that mind is physical, indeed reduction to computation on substrates destroys rational freedom
It ends up deterministic and thus rationality is lost.Silver Asiatic
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SA, the possible worlds frame allows for other cosmi alongside ours, in weak form. You seem to be using universe to denote all physical cosmi or quasi physical cosmi, a subset of reality which incorporates all actual worlds and worlds included in thought as possible worlds, once there is a sufficient entity to contemplate them. part of this is that there have been huge attempts to put a multiverse on the table, so we need to speak in awareness of that. There is a maximal form of possible worlds that makes it tantamount to reality and infers there can be but one reality as a whole; Plantinga specifically uses it in some of his work. I would infer that he would incorporate us as a sub-universe and others in a multiverse as similar sub universes. Thought worlds would be incorporated in a sufficiently powerful mind as contemplations but we have no good reason to infer that mind is physical, indeed reduction to computation on substrates destroys rational freedom. KFkairosfocus
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If so, then whatever physical thing is eternal like that, has to have some sort of eternal energy source that maintains it in existence
You are completely missing the point. These entities must have unlimited knowledge and power. And there must be an infinite number of them. Why would they need an external source of energy. They control matter and energy. I’m pointing to the absolute absurdity of an infinite time. No one wants to deal with the implications of that assumption which leads to nonsense. But they like making it anyway. And by the way this same discussion has happened an infinite number of times before with the same characters and also an infinite number of other times with other characters. Why? Because it’s physically possible so must have happened before. All this nonsense is subscribed to for one reason only - to eliminate the obvious which they don’t like. The incredible irony is that to get rid of a god, they have to introduce an infinite number of them. jerry
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wif-PSR which is a notoriously powerful principle in tamed form; as addressed to being, i.e. ontology [= logic of being]
I approached this from the notion of truth as aligned to "what is" and therefore "being". LOI gives us identity and a necessarily-existing "all else", terminating in absolute being. However, I would like to see your view on how the weak inquiry form PSR uses possible worlds. Do you have a less compressed version you can point or create?Silver Asiatic
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VL, it is not "pure logic," it is logic linked to first principles starting with A is itself i/l/o its core characteristics, then including wif-PSR which is a notoriously powerful principle in tamed form; as addressed to being, i.e. ontology [= logic of being]. And it is possible worlds speak, a powerful context that brings in an extension of core logic, modal logic on possible [diamond] and necessary [square] operators to go with the familiar existential [rev-E] and universal [inverted A] operators. Along the way we get the universal core of mathematics too as an integral part of the result. Ontology is of course a big slice of core metaphysics, i.e. First Philosophy. What we have is very compressed but it is about big questions. KFkairosfocus
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KF
As for God being monist, we can immediately consider the diversity of worlds in the mind of God, who is Mind himself.
True. The reason various monisms are a problem is because they destroy rational thought. No distinctions can be made. But the LOI terminates in God, not because it's an arbitrary end to an infinite regress, but God is the source of the rational process itself. So God cannot be considered a "monism" in that sense since God created the concepts of monism and dualism and therefore makes actual the potentialities of what is real. God as absolute being is the author of what we mean by "identity" - and therefore the giver of laws: logical and natural and moral and otherwise. Tracing back causes, we look for the cause of rationality itself - that cannot go back in an infinite regress of causes because we exhaust all possibilities of what could cause all temporal, contingent reality and the rational process.Silver Asiatic
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Jerry
Anything that involves an infinity of time implies that all that is physically possible already happened. This includes an infinite number of entities with unlimited power. An absurdity, that precludes that an infinity of time exists.
True. Since some physical entities go out of existence, it is possible that all physical entities could go out of existence. So, with an infinity of time, if it is possible that all things ceased to exist - then they already would not exist (since all possibilities must occur in an infinity of time) and if all went out of existence, nothing could exist now or ever. The counterpoint might be "some physical entities can never go out of existence". If so, then whatever physical thing is eternal like that, has to have some sort of eternal energy source that maintains it in existence and it must have eternal cause that is not subject to entropy. An eternal energy and eternal immaterial cause is what we call God.Silver Asiatic
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How do you know that there is not some type of physical nature similar to ours outside of our universe? How do you know that our universe is the only instance of physical nature?
I'm using this definition of the term universe:
The universe (Latin: universus) is all of space and time[a] and their contents,[10] including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
Notice, "all forms of matter and energy" as well as all space and time. This is another way of saying "all physical reality". With that in mind, I am 100% certain that there is no other instances of physical reality anywhere - since I have accounted for ALL of it within this definition. In the example I gave previously: "Here are all the red balls that exist AND there are also some other red balls not here." That cannot work. I am 100% certain that is wrong. In the same way: "Here is the universe (all matter, energy - physical reality) AND there is some physical nature over there somewhere else not here." Again, this leaves me 100% certain that there is no other physical reality outside of our universe. The boundary of the universe includes it all. If there is physical reality existing beyond what we currently observe, it is included in the definition. This points to the necessity of real, existing, non-physical reality - or an immaterial, transcendent entity. Now we have that relationship and a composition of the universe and that outside of its boundary (which cannot be physical). Regarding our the formulation of our understanding of "True". We are oriented to the truth and search for the truth (LOI proves this). If everything was true, we not only would not know what the truth is, but we would not search for it. We know truth, because "error exists". Truth is an existing value and we can prove it with that statement "Error exists". It's necessarily true with no exceptions (like LOI). We are oriented to the truth because it is impossible for anyone to rationally say "I will always tell a lie". We can, however, say "I will always tell the truth" and be consistent. This is because we are oriented to the truth and we build our knowledge on affirmations. True is related to "what is real" or "what is". So, we are oriented to understanding what is real - or existence - or to being. We are seeking Being. We are never satisfied fully with partial truth - we always want the full truth. So, we are oriented to the fullness of truth. This aligns with fullness of "what is" - or "complete being" (a partial truth would align only partially with reality). Thus, we are oriented to "complete being" - which is "absolute being" or we could say Supreme Being.Silver Asiatic
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To me, there is a provocative beauty in ambiguity and uncertainty, knowing that there are things that you can’t know, problems that will likely never get solved, what happens when we die
What if it was designed that way? To have the best of all possible worlds, must there be doubt? If there wasn't doubt, then would we all become automatons and life would be meaningless? Aside: Existence is the greatest mystery of all. Aside2: Anything that involves an infinity of time implies that all that is physically possible already happened. This includes an infinite number of entities with unlimited power. An absurdity, that precludes that an infinity of time exists. Aside3: No one will deal with the obvious! Final Aside: No one can offer an alternative that makes sense. jerry
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