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Has anyone else noticed the blatant political flavor of many sciencey mags these days?

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Yes, it was always there but recently, as the editors become ever more self-righteous (= Us vs. the Unwashed), it has become more open and that sure isn’t an improvement. Two items noted in passing:

Big Climate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an important organization with a primary purpose to assess the scientific literature on climate in order to inform policy…

Regrettably, the IPCC WG2 has strayed far from its purpose to assess and evaluate the scientific literature, and has positioned itself much more as a cheerleader for emissions reductions and produced a report that supports such advocacy. The IPCC exhorts: “impacts will continue to increase if drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are further delayed – affecting the lives of today’s children tomorrow and those of their children much more than ours … Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”

The focus on emissions reductions is a major new orientation for WG2, which previously was focused exclusively on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. The new focus on mitigation is explicit, with the IPCC WG2 noting (1-31) that its focus “expands significantly from previous reports” and now includes “the benefits of climate change mitigation and emissions reductions.” This new emphasis on mitigation colors the entire report, which in places reads as if adaptation is secondary to mitigation or even impossible. The IPCC oddly presents non-sequiturs tethering adaptation to mitigation, “Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.”

Roger Pielke, Jr., “A Rapidly Closing Window to Secure a Liveable Future” at The Honest Broker Newsletter/Substack (March 2, 2022)

The relentless drum-banging will probably have the opposite effect of the one desired, especially when (as is sure to happen) some emission reduction strategies do much more harm than good and the boosters are running for cover, misrepresenting those outcomes in the name of “Trust the Science.”

And then there are the ridiculous efforts in popular science media to snuff out any awareness of the possibility that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab doing research on making viruses more powerful. How awful of any of us to suggest such a thing! Here’s an intro to a podcast on the topic:

We have featured the work of science writer Matt Ridley on several occasions over the years. Now he is the author (with Alina Chan) of the new book Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. Brendan O’Neill has recorded a podcast with Ridley to discuss how the Covid-19 virus might have leaked from a lab in Wuhan and how scientists tried to suppress the lab-leak origin theory. Spiked has posted the podcast here. I have embedded it below.

The New York Times continues to flog the alleged natural origin of the plague. Most recently, the Times has promoted “new research” pointing to the live animal market in Wuhan as the origin: “Analyzing a wide range of data, including virus genes, maps of market stalls and the social media activity of early Covid-19 patients across Wuhan, the scientists concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.” However, “some gaps” in the evidence still remain. “The new [unpublished] papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.”

Scott Johnson, “The case for the lab-leak theory” at Powerline Blog (March 4, 2022)

More re Viral

Science writer Matt Ridley thinks science is reverting to a cult. Maybe his next book should be about that.

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SA, you write, "I keep in mind, you are adamant that you are not a materialist. If philosophical foundations were not important, you wouldn’t be concerned about such a thing, but you are concerned and don’t want to be considered a materialist because it’s important. " I'm not "adamant" about not being a materialist. However I've had to explain my beliefs multiple times because I'm accused of being a materialist (which to many of you is a severe accusation).Viola Lee
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WJM
If I argue : IF A, and B, and C, THEN Z, what difference does it make if I’m honest or not?
Well, you have to have a high degree of honesty to use that formula. First, you have to have a commitment to the truth. If I show you that A, B and C does not give Z - you have to accept it. But if you're dishonest, you won't. Secondly, you have to accept that somethings are not reducible to logic alone - why should all of reality be fit into syllogisms? That's a big question that transcends logic itself. Logic is the tool that we agree upon and we, by means of being honest, will say "yes, we want conclusions to be logical". But there are some matters that can be illogical depending on context. When we start talking about God, for example, we have to be much more honest. We have to accept that we're only going to come closer to understanding, but always be incapable of fully grasping God. A person, for example, who uses materialist science to analyze theology is dishonest. A person who claims that materialism does not conflict with immaterial entities like rationality or logic is also dishonest.
What does it matter if I’m credible or not, atheist or theist, a professor or a layman or a lunatic? The logic is the logic. The facts are the facts. Implications are valid or not. Conclusions are sound or not, given what precedes them.
Well we're trying to have a meaningful discussion and if a person contradicts themselves in the middle of a discussion, then it's a waste of time. You have to be consistent. When or if you're proven wrong, a good discussion requires that the person admit it and accept the changes in his view that it requires. That makes growth possible. A person who is corrected continually on the same point, but refuses to accept the correction or admit that he's wrong is being dishonest.Silver Asiatic
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VL
On the one hand, I understand that ultimately many issues fall back on first principles and values.
That is good - yes. Scamp has denied this and he needs to rethink it. I keep in mind, you are adamant that you are not a materialist. If philosophical foundations were not important, you wouldn't be concerned about such a thing, but you are concerned and don't want to be considered a materialist because it's important. ID is a theory of origins. Obviously, how you view origins is a philosophical position and ID either supports it or conflicts with your view. A failure to discuss or defend your philosophy or religion just makes discussion irrelevant. ID is an argument against materialism. If you believe that God exists, you'll be much closer to the ID position.
But some of us have “followed you there”, and we have fundamental and unresolvable differences. What do we do then? Just not talk at all with each other about specific issues?
It's a good question. For myself, I'd just hope you'd be able to more and more clarify and refine your philosophical foundations. Because failing that, we're going to talk past each other. When we say that "all things that come into existence have a cause for their existence" - that's a foundation. If you deny that, then things can happen without a cause. Then we're just talking nonsense and a fantasy world. That might be ok for, example, a blog for poetry or fantasy-fiction writers. They don't have to be consistent or make sense. They're creating imaginary worlds. But ID is about the real world and real science. ID is condemned as "believing in magic" but it's not magic to say that design comes from intelligence. What is magic is to say "some immaterial force is out there and it came from nowhere but it might do things in nature or the world, but we can't know anything about it". That's much more of a fantasy viewpoint - just mythological storytelling, than theistic belief is (which is based on knowable concepts and philosophical structures). So, that's why we discuss worldviews and philosophy. A person who insists on materialist, atheistic scientism = has to defend that from all the absurdities and problems contained therein. Scamp doesn't want to go there. Maybe he can't do it. Right now, we don't know and we can't help him until he opens up. Thankfully, you VL - have defined your ideas to the extent that you can, so at least we know where you're coming from. If you're willing to rethink your worldview, then we do not have irreconcilable differences.Silver Asiatic
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SA said:
It tells us what kind of honesty, or lack thereof, you bring to the discussion.
If I argue : IF A, and B, and C, THEN Z, what difference does it make if I'm honest or not? What does it matter if I'm credible or not, atheist or theist, a professor or a layman or a lunatic? The logic is the logic. The facts are the facts. Implications are valid or not. Conclusions are sound or not, given what precedes them.William J Murray
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I can’t believe that “60% of anthropologists said they would discriminate against Evangelical Christians” . It would be interesting to see what the evidence for that is.
Compromising Scholarship, a 2011 book by sociologist George Yancey https://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-disappearing-conservative-professor
Professors are even less tolerant of evangelicals, whom they associate with social conservatism. Nearly 60% of anthropologists ...
would discriminate against evangelicals in hiring practices.
I think that quote is “fake news” – a bogus “fact”. If it’s “not surprising” to you, SA, then I think you have some unrealistic stereotypes.
Not fake news. I'm not surprised except only that the percent should be much higher than 60 - I think survey respondents didn't reveal their opposition to Christianity as much, probably through embarrassment. My experience with professional scientists would put the number higher. The fact that you don't or wouldn't discriminate against people on this basis is a tribute to your sense of fairness and is very good to see.Silver Asiatic
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On the one hand, I understand that ultimately many issues fall back on first principles and values. On the other hand, what you say means that such philosophical and religious discussions is all we can ever have, which doesn't seem practical. Also, you say "Sadly, some won’t follow us there…which does serve to insulate their beliefs from examination, but also prevents us from reaching common ground." But some of us have "followed you there", and we have fundamental and unresolvable differences. What do we do then? Just not talk at all with each other about specific issues?Viola Lee
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Scamp
How does knowing my religion, lack of religion, sexual orientation, gender, voting history, favourite TV show or views on abortion affect this?
It tells us what kind of honesty, or lack thereof, you bring to the discussion. If you're only willing to attack, but not defend your own position - or if you're going to take contradictory positions against your own personal belief system, this argues against your good faith presence here. A failure to admit your commitment to religious or philosophical ideas is like the guy who is a member of the Nazi (or Communist) party who won't tell that to anyone when asked. You're here arguing for a position. You won't admit what that actually is. That's a very big problem in any open discussion - why are you covering-up your own commitments? Are you embarrassed by them? Ashamed to admit? Or perhaps you know how vulnerable you are because of them? Those are all of the problems. You have to stand by your position and defend it rationally.Silver Asiatic
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Maybe I can make my earlier statement even clearer: If we disagree on abortion (for instance), that's probably because we disagree on the value of life, whether encroaching on life from one end will make it easier to encroach on life from other directions, etc. So we should be talking about those things before we discuss abortion specifically. But we won't agree on the value of life if we don't agree on whether we have a creator. And we won't agree on that if we don't agree on the nature of evidence, epistemics, etc. By having high-level arguments over specific issues of the day and neglecting the weightier matters of fundamentals, we will never make any progress in understanding each other. This is why we so often take arguments to lower levels. Sadly, some won't follow us there...which does serve to insulate their beliefs from examination, but also prevents us from reaching common ground.EDTA
March 7, 2022
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VL, you clearly didn't reckon with what else Yancey, a sociologist who studies the academy, found (see 44); which is what Shapiro roughly cited and SA commented on. He specifically found propensity to discriminate at hiring and the cumulative pattern of ideological affiliation in the Academy over the past generation is quite clear. We also have pretty convincing evidence of what Bergmann called the slaughter of the dissidents. I held this back, but commend a look-see to you: https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-disappearing-conservative-professor KFkairosfocus
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KF writes, "Over half of non-Evangelical university professors say they hold unfavorable views of Evangelical Christians, a new study showed." Having an unfavorable view of someone is vastly different than discriminating against them. Surely that distinction is clear. And I'll remind you that we've had long discussions about having unfavorable views of people who think others are going to be eternally damned to torment because they don't have the right beliefs. I worked with many good people who were Christians, and not only did I not discriminate against them, and I enjoyed them and warmly saw them as colleagues. But I did an unfavorable views about some of their beliefs. And I didn't "let the cat out of the bag" about "coordination". The conversation I mentioned was openly discussed. Of course there are people here who have similar views and support each other, but that doesn't mean that there is some nefarious behind-the-scenes coordination and conspiracy (although people who think there are behind-the-scenes conspiracies everywhere might think so.) Some verses from Dylan's "Talkin' John Birch Society Paranoid Blues" (Substitute the bogeyman of your choice for Communists, although they seem to have come back in fashion)
Well, I woos looking everywhere for them gol-darned Reds I got up in the morning and looked under my bed Looked in the sink, behind the door Looked in the glove compartment of my car Couldn’t find them I woos looking high and low for them Reds everywhere I woos looking in the sink and underneath the chair I looked way up my chimney hole I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl They got away Well, I woos sitting home alone and started to sweat Figured they woos in my T.V. set Peeked behind the picture frame Got a shock from my feet, hitting right up in the brain Them Reds caused it! I know they did them hard-core ones Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes Followed some clues from my detective bag And discovered they was red stripes on the American flag! That old Betsy Ross Well, I investigated all the books in the library Ninety percent of them gotta be burned away I investigated all the people that I know Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go The other two percent are fellow Birchers just like me Well, I finally started thinking straight When I run out of things to investigate Couldn’t imagine doing anything else So now I’m sitting home investigating myself! Hope I don’t find out nothing, good God!
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PS: Wintery Knight gives us context, Yancey's continued research:
Conservatives can be spotted in the sciences and in economics, but they are virtually an endangered species in fields like anthropology, sociology, history and literature. One study found that only 2 percent of English professors are Republicans (although a large share are independents). In contrast, some 18 percent of social scientists say they are Marxist. So it’s easier to find a Marxist in some disciplines than a Republican. […]The scarcity of conservatives seems driven in part by discrimination. One peer-reviewed study found that one-third of social psychologists admitted that if choosing between two equally qualified job candidates, they would be inclined to discriminate against the more conservative candidate. Yancey, the black sociologist, who now teaches at the University of North Texas,conducted a survey in which up to 30 percent of academics said that they would be less likely to support a job seeker if they knew that the person was a Republican. The discrimination becomes worse if the applicant is an evangelical Christian. According to Yancey’s study, 59 percent of anthropologists and 53 percent of English professors would be less likely to hire someone they found out was an evangelical. “Of course there are biases against evangelicals on campuses,” notes Jonathan L. Walton, the Plummer Professor of Christian Morals at Harvard. Walton, a black evangelical, adds that the condescension toward evangelicals echoes the patronizing attitude toward racial minorities: “The same arguments I hear people make about evangelicals sound so familiar to the ways people often describe folk of color, i.e. politically unsophisticated, lacking education, angry, bitter, emotional, poor.”
Food for thought.kairosfocus
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F/N: A backgrounder: https://www.christianpost.com/news/survey-suggests-university-faculty-bias-against-evangelicals.html
Over half of non-Evangelical university professors say they hold unfavorable views of Evangelical Christians, a new study showed. This group of believers was the only major religious denomination to elicit highly negative responses from faculty. According to research by the Institute for Jewish & Community Research (IJCR), only 30 percent of non-Evangelical university faculty says they hold positive views of Evangelicals while 56 percent of faculty in social sciences and humanities departments holds unfavorable views. Overall, 53 percent of non-Evangelical university faculty have unfavorable views. "This survey shows a disturbing level of prejudice or intolerance among U.S. faculty towards tens of millions of Evangelical Christians," said Gary Tobin, president of IJCR, in the report. "What's odd is that while a good number of faculty believe in a close, personal relationship with God and believe religion is essential to a child's upbringing, many of those same people feel deeply unfavorable toward of Evangelicals." Cary Nelson, president of the American Association of University Professors, told The Washington Post that the poll does not reflect a form of religious bias, but rather "a political and cultural resistance" probably caused by "the particular kind of Republican Party activism that some Evangelicals have engaged in over the years, as well as what faculty perceive as the opposition to scientific objectivity among some Evangelicals." [--> cognitive dissonance and projection?] According to the study, 71 percent of all faculty agreed: "This country would be better off if Christian fundamentalists kept their religious beliefs out of politics." The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and one of America's pre-eminent Evangelical leaders, argued, "The fact that such bias exists is significant in its own right, considering the fact that a majority of Americans at least claim to be Evangelical Christians," he wrote in his weblog on Tuesday. "The ideological chasm that increasingly divides the academic elite from the larger culture is in full view here. Many academics, by their own admission, look down upon Evangelical students, evangelical churches, and Evangelical citizens." The IJCR survey also found that faculty's views of Evangelicals is likely linked to personal religiosity and political affiliation. Only 20 percent of those who say religion is very important to them and only 16 percent of Republicans have unfavorable views of Evangelicals. Among those who say religion is not important to them and among Democrats, 75 percent and 65 percent, respectively, hold unfavorable views.
Perhaps, over twenty years after Lewontin wrote, the problem he inadvertently exposed has only got worse? KFkairosfocus
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VL, Lewontin's inadvertent admission lets us see that it would be unsurprising for academic staff in unis to discriminate against those the cultural elites have scapegoated, leading to a classic climate of hostility prone to chilling effect, censorship, marginalisation and of course abusive grading. The only surprise is that so many may actually have admitted it in a survey. KFkairosfocus
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VL, thanks for letting the cat out of the bag on there being cynical coordination behind too much of habitual objecting commentary here at UD. KFkairosfocus
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PS, as a reminder, Lewontin:
. . . to put a correct [--> Just who here presume to cornering the market on truth and so demand authority to impose?] view of the universe into people's heads
[==> as in, "we" the radically secularist elites have cornered the market on truth, warrant and knowledge, making "our" "consensus" the yardstick of truth . . . where of course "view" is patently short for WORLDVIEW . . . and linked cultural agenda . . . ]
we must first get an incorrect view out [--> as in, if you disagree with "us" of the secularist elite you are wrong, irrational and so dangerous you must be stopped, even at the price of manipulative indoctrination of hoi polloi] . . . the problem is to get them [= hoi polloi] to reject irrational and supernatural explanations of the world [--> "explanations of the world" is yet another synonym for WORLDVIEWS; the despised "demon[ic]" "supernatural" being of course an index of animus towards ethical theism and particularly the Judaeo-Christian faith tradition], the demons that exist only in their imaginations,
[ --> as in, to think in terms of ethical theism is to be delusional, justifying "our" elitist and establishment-controlling interventions of power to "fix" the widespread mental disease]
and to accept a social and intellectual apparatus, Science, as the only begetter of truth
[--> NB: this is a knowledge claim about knowledge and its possible sources, i.e. it is a claim in philosophy not science; it is thus self-refuting]
. . . . To Sagan, as to all but a few other scientists [--> "we" are the dominant elites], it is self-evident
[--> actually, science and its knowledge claims are plainly not immediately and necessarily true on pain of absurdity, to one who understands them; this is another logical error, begging the question , confused for real self-evidence; whereby a claim shows itself not just true but true on pain of patent absurdity if one tries to deny it . . . and in fact it is evolutionary materialism that is readily shown to be self-refuting]
that the practices of science provide the surest method of putting us in contact with physical reality [--> = all of reality to the evolutionary materialist], and that, in contrast, the demon-haunted world rests on a set of beliefs and behaviors that fail every reasonable test [--> i.e. an assertion that tellingly reveals a hostile mindset, not a warranted claim] . . . . It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us [= the evo-mat establishment] to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes [--> another major begging of the question . . . ] to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute [--> i.e. here we see the fallacious, indoctrinated, ideological, closed mind . . . ], for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door . . . [--> irreconcilable hostility to ethical theism, already caricatured as believing delusionally in imaginary demons]. [Lewontin, Billions and billions of Demons, NYRB Jan 1997,cf. here. And, if you imagine this is "quote-mined" I invite you to read the fuller annotated citation here.]
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Sc, the challenge is to move towards objectivity in a highly polarised, ideologically dominated era where censorship and marginalisation are on the march. Ironically, where your prioritisation of "religion" and broadening to include "worldviews" fails, is precisely on the validity of VL at 11, there is inevitable influence and error is a hazard of the finite, fallible, morally struggling [and morally governed], too often ill-willed. To first principles including first duties we must ever go, starting with duty to truth, right reason, warrant and wider prudence, duly recognising that half truths and ideologically loaded distortions dressed up in lab coats are errors, being false or even deceitful. Sadly, the ongoing pandemic is a case study. And, such matters are core worldview considerations, inextricably intertwined in all of our reasoning, deciding and acting. The issue is not worldviews but sound first principles, first duties and first plausibles in our views and reasoning. KFkairosfocus
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SA, thanks for a solid intervention. KFkairosfocus
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VL, now that I am up for the moment, I responded to you earlier due to awareness of immediate and wider context informed by the cultural moment. The issue, as ever, is objectivity rooted in sound warrant and informed by solid observations in the face of a deeply ingrained radical relativist mindset. Where, when this came up recently here at UD, there was a wave of attempts to argue against warrant, objectivity, etc. Now, given our civilisation's stage of decline, hardly anyone needs to say we have biases and political power games are involved in essentially any issue etc. To say that without due balance then comes across as endorsement/enabling of a radically self referential, self refuting notion that claims objectivity while effectively denying it for everything and everyone [else . . . the implicit, self refuting self exception suggestion]. In such a moment and with even Science on the table [much less Science Mags], it is entirely appropriate to point to one of the very first observations on record regarding levers of persuasion and argument. Science is being taken under Babylonian Captivity to power agendas, cynical manipulation, ideologies dressed up in lab coats, celebrities in lab coats posing as The Voice of Science, marginalisation of serious dissent, censorship, abuse of courts and parliaments through lawfare and administrative power plays etc, and this has been experienced by ID for 20+ years. That gives us some hard won experience to comment on how the same tactics used to abusively marginalise us are now metastasised into a juggernaut threatening global disaster, e.g. with mismanagement of pandemic and a long train of abuses and usurpations by officialdom pointing to indoctrination replacing education, cultural marxist agit prop replacing sound policy discussion, censorship and scapegoating replacing sound policy discussion, and the general rise of mutineers and looters on the ship of state. So, setting aside emotive appeals, demystifying authority, to the evidence and argument on fact and logic we must go. KFkairosfocus
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Our high-level beliefs have to be based on lower-level beliefs. So discussing what those low-level beliefs consist of, and whether they stand up to scrutiny has to be part of all these discussions. We try to get down to those lower-level beliefs for that very reason. Someone's position on abortion for instance has to stand on something, and that something would be a lower-level belief. Saying that a particular belief stands on "logic" doesn't make any sense without specifying what concepts/ideas/beliefs that "logic" will make use of.EDTA
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VL: Therefore, for many topics, one’s religious beliefs are not pertinent, any more than some of the other things you mention.
Actually, I would go further than this. One’s religious beliefs, or any other worldviews, are not pertinent to any argument being made. They are only perceived to be pertinent to those opposed to the argument being made,, not due to logical reasons, but because it gives people false justifications to dismiss them. For example, if I make an argument for pro-choice, or same sex marriage, or universal health care, some here will label me as an atheist, or anti-Christian, or a leftist-progressive, and feel justified in dismissing my argument regardless of the logic of the argument actually being made. The logic of the argument either stands on its own, or it doesn’t. That is why I refuse to answer questions about my religious beliefs or my my political leanings.Scamp
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Good, Scamp. One argument in this thread is that our beliefs (and not just science) should be based on true facts and good logic as much as possible, and not be driven by political (or any other kind of) bias, and that we should try to keep tangential and perhaps irrelevant considerations to a minimum. Therefore, for many topics, one's religious beliefs are not pertinent, any more than some of the other things you mention.Viola Lee
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SA: I asked you if you were an atheist because that is relevant to the kinds of discussions we have here. I don’t think you answered that.
And I won’t. Because either my arguments stand on their own, or they don’t. How does knowing my religion, lack of religion, sexual orientation, gender, voting history, favourite TV show or views on abortion affect this? Other than to apply a label to me that you can feel justified to use to accept or dismiss my arguments.Scamp
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I hear you, BA, and will think about how ashamed I should be. I certainly could have made my point without mimicking the headline, which I agree is not a pleasant tactic.Viola Lee
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VL at 4. Shameful use of a Tu Quoque fallacy. I’ve never seen you use it before. Don’t make it worse by saying, “It worked.”Belfast
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I can't believe that "60% of anthropologists said they would discriminate against Evangelical Christians” . It would be interesting to see what the evidence for that is. For what it's worth, I have an anthropology (although am not a working anthropologist) and, although I might disagree with some Evangelical Christians about some things (but not others), and not for anthropological reasons, I can't even think of ways that I might discriminate against them. I think that quote is "fake news" - a bogus "fact". If it's "not surprising" to you, SA, then I think you have some unrealistic stereotypes.Viola Lee
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Querius @ 23 Good point. Supposedly, religion corrupts the purity of objective science. "Just the facts". But then they come along and will demote scientists who publish politically unacceptable research (or warp their own research for political ends). So, it's not so "pure, objective science" after all. They're using science as a weapon in the culture war. The whole LGBT trans-rights thing is an obvious example of that.Silver Asiatic
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he decided that I was a leftist, fascist, Darwinist, materialist (pick a label)
I asked you if you were an atheist because that is relevant to the kinds of discussions we have here. I don't think you answered that.Silver Asiatic
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VL I believe KF was drawing your attention to the fact that mainstream science covers-over its predominant agenda. It's hidden at the foundation. So there's a game of manipulation going on. I just read a superb overview of the politicization of science in Ben Shapiro's "The Authoritarian Moment" chapter 4 "How Science(TM) Defeated Actual Science" Instead of "The Science Elite" as some call it, he uses the term "Science (TM)" - like it's a trademarked product of some professionals. He goes through the Left-Wing bias found in science publications and programs and then refers to the Ultracrepidarian Problem - that is, scientists speaking outside their area of expertise. "academic science leaders have adopted wholesale the language of dominance and oppression previously restricted to 'cultural studies' journals to guide their disciplines, to censor dissenting views, to remove faculty from leadership positions if their research is claimed by opponents to support systemic oppression." -- Lawrence Krauss. The Ideological Corruption of Science. So, there's Lawrence Krauss, complaining that people get removed from leadership for their research? All of a sudden this is a problem for him when it happens to one of his own. But in any case, scientism will do that. Here he's talking about how science is being used as a driver of social change. So scientists are supposedly experts in "human flourishing" (as Steven Pinker claims). Instead of just observing physical reality, experimenting and testing and then publishing results - they're going to tell society what is best for them and try to shape humanity. When there's no religion or philosophy, then what else can you do but asks the scientists to tell you how to live? And just a stray quote from the book ... "60% of anthropologists said they would discriminate against Evangelical Christians" ... Not surprising to me.Silver Asiatic
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VL: It’s like he doesn’t respond to real people, but rather to stereotyped caricatures that he carries around right on the surface of his mind all the time.
I have noticed that as well. Most recently I got on his bad side because I said that the tactics used by the Ottawa trucker protest were illegal and counter-productive. Because I disagreed with him on something he decided that I was a leftist, fascist, Darwinist, materialist (pick a label) and therefore not worthy of trying to understand my arguments.Scamp
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re 22: That may be a key point (although I don't think scientism is nearly as common as you all think), but my point was that it had nothing to do with what I wrote. However, if KF starts a post by addressing me, ("VL, ...") then I would like to think he is actually responding to me, and perhaps might be interested in discussing with me. If not, leave my name, and thus me, out of it.Viola Lee
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