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Has anyone else noticed the blatant political flavor of many sciencey mags these days?

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Yes, it was always there but recently, as the editors become ever more self-righteous (= Us vs. the Unwashed), it has become more open and that sure isn’t an improvement. Two items noted in passing:

Big Climate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an important organization with a primary purpose to assess the scientific literature on climate in order to inform policy…

Regrettably, the IPCC WG2 has strayed far from its purpose to assess and evaluate the scientific literature, and has positioned itself much more as a cheerleader for emissions reductions and produced a report that supports such advocacy. The IPCC exhorts: “impacts will continue to increase if drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are further delayed – affecting the lives of today’s children tomorrow and those of their children much more than ours … Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”

The focus on emissions reductions is a major new orientation for WG2, which previously was focused exclusively on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. The new focus on mitigation is explicit, with the IPCC WG2 noting (1-31) that its focus “expands significantly from previous reports” and now includes “the benefits of climate change mitigation and emissions reductions.” This new emphasis on mitigation colors the entire report, which in places reads as if adaptation is secondary to mitigation or even impossible. The IPCC oddly presents non-sequiturs tethering adaptation to mitigation, “Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.”

Roger Pielke, Jr., “A Rapidly Closing Window to Secure a Liveable Future” at The Honest Broker Newsletter/Substack (March 2, 2022)

The relentless drum-banging will probably have the opposite effect of the one desired, especially when (as is sure to happen) some emission reduction strategies do much more harm than good and the boosters are running for cover, misrepresenting those outcomes in the name of “Trust the Science.”

And then there are the ridiculous efforts in popular science media to snuff out any awareness of the possibility that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab doing research on making viruses more powerful. How awful of any of us to suggest such a thing! Here’s an intro to a podcast on the topic:

We have featured the work of science writer Matt Ridley on several occasions over the years. Now he is the author (with Alina Chan) of the new book Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. Brendan O’Neill has recorded a podcast with Ridley to discuss how the Covid-19 virus might have leaked from a lab in Wuhan and how scientists tried to suppress the lab-leak origin theory. Spiked has posted the podcast here. I have embedded it below.

The New York Times continues to flog the alleged natural origin of the plague. Most recently, the Times has promoted “new research” pointing to the live animal market in Wuhan as the origin: “Analyzing a wide range of data, including virus genes, maps of market stalls and the social media activity of early Covid-19 patients across Wuhan, the scientists concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.” However, “some gaps” in the evidence still remain. “The new [unpublished] papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.”

Scott Johnson, “The case for the lab-leak theory” at Powerline Blog (March 4, 2022)

More re Viral

Science writer Matt Ridley thinks science is reverting to a cult. Maybe his next book should be about that.

Comments
SA writes, "Ultimately, it’s not “luck” as if things happen outside of God’s providence." Yes, that is the point I'm making. What looks like luck and chance to us is not luck and chance to God.Viola Lee
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I remember one person describing ID as “punctuated deism”: God stands back and just lets thing take their course except when he decides to step in. This is an unacceptable theological position for those who believe in God’s continual presence in all that happens.
That's right. A lot of my fellow Catholic believers (probably most) are anti-ID for this reason. But I argue that they do not understand ID. ID does not say that God is not doing anything except in "designed moments". That's a misunderstanding of ID. What ID is saying is "we observe certain features of nature that appear to be designed by intelligence - as compared to others that we can explain by natural, material forces". ID does not say that natural forces are not designed by God - but only that some things appear that only an intelligent agent could produce them. ID does not claim that God is only involved in those things that appear intelligently designed to us - but only that some things appear moreso that way than others. Is the pattern of every raindrop that hits the ground intelligently designed by God? Sure, you could say that. You could say that God guides every raindrop individually. But ID is about the science, not theology. We know how raindrops fall from humidity and gravity and atmosphere. Science does not need more than that. But something like the origin of first life? - that cannot be explained by gravity, chemistry or atmosphere. It's an example of intelligent design - but it doesn't mean that God just stepped in and did that but then was not active in nature even by supporting natural processes. (God is the source of all energy and natural laws and order in the universe - so He is present everywhere).Silver Asiatic
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Is it a legitimate Christian perspective to believe that even though it lucked like luck to us, it was not luck to God, but rather a manifestation of God’s presence to support his desire and plan that the man not die on this day?
It's a matter of discerning the presence of God, the grace of God and the messages that God communicates in a variety of different ways. Some of the sources to discern would be reading the Bible (a passage may explain the event or affirm or deny what you're thinking), talking with other believers (to try to figure out what God is saying in the event) and God communicating certain signals within the soul about what the event meant (certain light-in-the-mind, an experience of joy or peace that is unexplained). Trying to figure out the meaning is putting all of those together - and it's not always 100% clear. Quite a lot of people experience things where they were saved by a lucky coincidence, and they decide that their life has meaning at that moment and then they live in a different way afterwards. A lot of guys in military situations - seeing all of their buddies get killed but they survive, ask God why they are living - then they go on to use that in their life (to help veterans, or become spiritual leaders to help others, etc.) Ultimately, it's not "luck" as if things happen outside of God's providence. Some Christians believe in luck like that- like the Darwinist Ken Miller who thinks that God didn't know what evolution would produce. But that's just a problem for theistic evolution. You'd have a God limited by material forces and that doesn't make a lot of sense (since God created the material forces).Silver Asiatic
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Jerry writes, "TE’s who postulate no intervention in physical events but ironically believe in prayer and miracles." This is the theological crux of the matter. TE's believe that "intervention" in the sense of a miraculous overriding of the course of natural events is not necessary because God is already, continually, present in the course of natural events. I remember one person describing ID as "punctuated deism": God stands back and just lets thing take their course except when he decides to step in. This is an unacceptable theological position for those who believe in God’s continual presence in all that happens.Viola Lee
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I’ll guess you’re here for the political discussions alone
He has commented on ID and science.jerry
March 8, 2022
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I believe most Christians believe that God can and will influence some events but free choice is also involved. This obviously influences subsequent situations/events available to others for their choices. Christians believe heavily in prayer which acknowledges this belief that God intervenes in some way. At the risk of getting off track and theological this is a major difference with TE’s who postulate no intervention in physical events except at the beginning but ironically believe in prayer and miracles. Again it is speculation as to what was is in the mind of God. We can only follow evidence and use reason.jerry
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But I have never stated my worldview. It is irrelevant to any argument I am making
This blog is about Intelligent Design theory - which is a topic involving worldviews. To be anti-ID is to express a worldview. To say that worldviews are irrelevant to your arguments here, says that you've never discussed ID, Darwinism, Materialism, Design or anything related to the purpose of this blog. I'll guess you're here for the political discussions alone. True?
Not bringing personal worldview, religion or political leaning into discussions that have nothing to do with them is not been dishonest. It is just being pragmatic.
Asauber responded @ 85. One's worldview affects every serious discussion since it is the reason why you believe things and explains your position. When we talk about the nature and reason for discussions - that requires a worldview. You're talking about a topic now that requires an understanding of your worldview.
For example, my motive for making the arguments I do could be to trigger reactions from those I know are opposed to them (that is not my motivation, btw).
It's called trolling and usually ends with people getting kicked out of the discussion. Again, "good faith" is required in serious conversations. People who want to get reactions but who lack sincerity in their posts are time-wasters. You have to make a commitment - stand for your values. That's a fundamental part of having integrity as a person, showing character, showing yourself as being worth the time to discuss things with. As it stands, your fear of revealing your philosophical foundation makes me question already if it's worth taking the time to respond to you. You don't want to share what you believe about life and origins, on a site that is dedicated to the study of life and origins. I'm sure you can see the problem with this.
But just because a person’s motivation is not “noble” doesn’t mean that their arguments don’t have merit.
It means the person is acting in an ignoble manner and we shouldn't give that person time or attention.Silver Asiatic
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Jerry writes, "To say God was involved makes a nice story but one we will never know the truth about in this world." I personally agree, but that's not the point I want to make. The point is that many Christians will believe (on faith, not because we can know) that indeed it was part of God's plan that you and your wife got together. More philosophically, even though yes indeed the world is full, every moment, of events which lead the course of subsequent events down paths they might not otherwise have taken, behind the scenes, so to speak, things are proceeding exactly as God wills. God is omnipresent and omniscient at the most minute level of what happens in the physical world, so there is no theological reason to believe that he can't, and doesn't, affect the physical world comprehensively at every moment. As to KF's point, our free will behaviors take place in the context of the massive amount of non-free will events going on that influence our lives, and influence the course of physical events.Viola Lee
March 8, 2022
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KF: VL, we are obviously back on the push to embroil UD in off topic, in- absence- of- panel- of- good- theologians amateur debates:
UD gets embroiled in plenty of off-topic debates. COVID. Treatments, trucker protests and the war in Ukraine come immediately to mind.Scamp
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Was the alarm clock not going off luck
A lot of alarm clocks don’t go off. Each person affected will experience different life experiences. A lot of other similar delaying events happen every day. Some will interpret it differently. About 20 forks in the road led me to meeting my wife at a certain time and place. The odds were incredibly low. To say God was involved makes a nice story but one we will never know the truth about in this world. What about the girl next door? This is all nice speculation but just that, speculation.jerry
March 8, 2022
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re 98: KF, you are responding to the aspect of the issue involving free will and human behavior. That does NOT address the non-human aspect of the manifestation of God's will. In my post at 89, I wrote,
A man’s alarm clock fails to go over, he misses his plane, the plane crashes and everyone onboard is killed. His friend says, “Boy, you sure were lucky”. The man, a Christian, says, “No, God meant for me to live. It was not part of his plan for me to die to today. It was God’s will, not luck, that I wasn’t on that plane.”
Was the alarm clock not going off luck, or God's will? Is it a legitimate Christian perspective to believe that even though it lucked like luck to us, it was not luck to God, but rather a manifestation of God's presence to support his desire and plan that the man not die on this day?Viola Lee
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What the heck does that refer to
I’m sure we will find out.
Why didn’t you chastise him
It seems every thread here is like Darwin’s Tree of Life. Branching out in different directions. Everyone has their preferred mutations. It’s by design.jerry
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KF writes, "VL, we are obviously back on the push to embroil UD in off topic, in- absence- of- panel- of- good- theologians amateur debates:" BA wrote, back on post 66, "Christians who believe in human evolution, i.e. Theistic Evolutionists, are, to put it mildly, confused in their Theology and science." Why didn't you chastise him then for "pushing to embroil UD in off topic , in- absence- of- panel- of- good- theologians amateur debates." ???Viola Lee
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KF writes, "VL, kindly ponder, fellow traveller." What the heck does that refer to?Viola Lee
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Jerry: While such a thing may happen, it is presumptuous to believe God ordained it for some reason. The irony. I would back up a level and say that it's presumptuous to speak for the Creator, which you seem to be doing. Are you a prophet? I'm betting... not. --Ramram
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PS, dressing up a blatantly inadequate claimed mechanism of origin of life and body plans -- blind chance and/or mechanical necessity -- in clerical robes, fails. It remains so that the cell uses complex alphanumeric code [ language] to state algorithms [goals] exploiting subtleties of AA sequence chemistry [deep knowledge], which features are only empirically warranted on intelligently directed configuration.kairosfocus
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VL, we are obviously back on the push to embroil UD in off topic, in- absence- of- panel- of- good- theologians amateur debates:
Is ultimately all that happens God’s will, or is most of it NOT God’s will, except for when he specifically intervenes.
The answer is actually a form of Plantinga's free will defence. First, by creating significantly free, thus morally governed creatures capable of reason towards truth and love towards virtue, a whole new dimension of good is opened up, creatures who in significant numbers turn from wrong and folly toward truth in love, creating positive civilisation sufficiently robust to overcome chaos forces and form good community. In directly theological terms, the Scriptural trajectory starts in a garden and ends in a heavenly city, with the strange pivotal moment being at a cross outside a city wall with heading in the three foundational languages of our civilisation: Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews. So, rational, responsible freedom capable of truthing it in love works to create an order of the good that would not otherwise obtain. If you use that freedom to object to freedom and/or construct narratives of origin that are challenged to account for it, you are self referentially incoherent and self defeating. This happens in many ways. Next, we know from Plantinga's work 50+ years ago, that the deductive problem of evil is defeated by the free will defence [as opposed to theodicy]. So long as it is a logically possible state of affairs that God could have a good reason for a world in which freedom exists, evils do not constitute a valid objection to the God of ethical theism. Where, the loving counsels of God and his servants help us when evils threaten to suck us down in a vortex. And, the redemptive frame just outlined tames the inductive form, WE are responsible for our willful, destructive abuse of freedom. And yes, the arguments you outline incline towards this dead issue. Going further, God's sovereign power creates and providentially sustains a world involving rational, responsible freedom. So, we then see that the will of God is a highly ambiguous term: what God creates and sustains everywhere and "every-when" to enable a world in which freedom enables truthing it in love, permits freedom. Freedom involves the soul test: is vs ought, which do we choose to open up as is with consequences, the good, wise, truthful, loving, or what is otherwise. So, the question is ill-framed and fallaciously complex. What God wills and permits by implication of freedom, is not necessarily what ought to be but it is also subject to redemptive action and will end in a heavenly city. Meanwhile, our duty is to walk by truth in love, purity and holy power. A different atmosphere than we are wont to in this time and stage of our struggling, declining civilisation. KFkairosfocus
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VL, kindly ponder, fellow traveller. KFkairosfocus
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I'm not arguing for TE. I'm trying to explain the broader theological perspective of which TE is a part: the idea that God is immanently present in every moment of existence, sustaining and continually creating all that happens. Christians often refer to this when they say things like "God has a plan for my life" or "it was God's will that such-and-such happened." We experience a world of lawful, orderly nature because that is how God's will manifests to us. From this perspective evolution is just like any other sequence of events, manifesting the outflow of God's presence. TE is a bad name because it implies that evolution is the focus of this outlook, but it's not: the outlook applies to the daily life of individuals as much as it does the history of the world over millions of years. Clearly, I don't believe this because I'm not a theist. But I think you guys don't understand the theology I'm describing (and which is in the mainstream of Christian theology), and misrepresent it, because it is a alternate perspective between the ID you are attached to and the materialism against which ID is defined. Your distaste for TE is a reflection, I think, of the threat it poses to your declaring that the dichotomy between ID and materialism is the only game in town.Viola Lee
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"you didn’t respond to my question, which is not about evolution." So now you claim that you were NOT arguing for Theistic Evolution in post 81? Well Okie Dokie then, that does it for me.bornagain77
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But BA, you didn't respond to my question, which is not about evolution. Is ultimately all that happens God's will, or is most of it NOT God's will, except for when he specifically intervenes. Leave evolution out of it: what are your theological beliefs about God's immanent presence in the world?Viola Lee
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Jerry, I've personally experienced some "amazing grace" situations--miracles--and I've also been through some really rough times. As a Christian, I believe the Bible when it says that God causes "the rain to fall on the just and the unjust." It also promises that God will make "all things work together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose." These principles are not contradictory, but merciful. And then in the end everyone dies physically, some sooner and some later. The Bible asserts that humanity was originally created for immortality, but the intrusion of evil ended God's original design, but God also created a voluntary plan for forgiveness and resurrection. I believe this based on several experiential and logical "pillars." But what do I take from my faith into science? - Reverence for the incredible genius of God. - Humility with regards to assuming things I don't understand are not "junk" but have a purpose. - Respect, care, and and love for nature, which God designed. What don't I take into science? - Assuming that my interpretation of the Bible necessarily determines a scientific truth. - Trying to force-fit the Bible into science or vice versa. - Believing that the Bible is a science textbook. For example, for many years some people criticized the Bible for seemingly indicating that stars came into existence after light, arguing "How can light exist without any stars." Currently, the majority of scientists believe exactly that--that at the Big Bang, light was present but space was opaque for a while, then after space became transparent, stars began to form. But this doesn't mean that at some point in the future, a static universe might once again take over as the consensus opinion from the Big Bang. Science is always changing, but the Bible doesn't change, so it's foolish to say that science "proves" or "disproves" the Bible. So, back to to the OP on the political flavor of "sciency" popular magazines. To me, they are as repulsive as religious doctrines being merged into science articles, and for similar reasons. Think eugenics and phrenology as notorious examples. Racism under the guise of Darwinism is another example. -QQuerius
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Is this a legitimate Christian perspective?
No. While such a thing may happen, it is presumptuous to believe God ordained it for some reason. I have a very good friend whose daughter worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in 2001. On September 10, 2001 she was told to clean out her desk and not come back. She went home dejected. The next day her brother saw the building collapse and thought his sister had died. Only much later that day did he find out what happened. The girl, now a mature mother of four, became a teacher and loves her new life. (For those who don't know, Cantor Fitzgerald occupied the top floors of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan. Everyone that worked for them that day died.)jerry
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You stated that argument before, which is why I quoted Stephen Meyer in full. "any proponent of theistic evolution who affirms that God is directing the evolutionary mechanism, and who also rejects intelligent design, implicitly contradicts himself." Contradictions in logic are fatal to arguments. It's not rocket science.bornagain77
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Meant "fails to go off" in the first line. Probably an obvious mistake on my part. So is the extra "to" in the second paragraph. I don't proofread very well.Viola Lee
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A man's alarm clock fails to go over, he misses his plane, the plane crashes and everyone onboard is killed. His friend says, "Boy, you sure were lucky". The man, a Christian, says, "No, God meant for me to live. It was not part of his plan for me to die to today. It was God's will, not luck, that I wasn't on that plane." Is this a legitimate Christian perspective?Viola Lee
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VL, I was going to reply, but Jerry summed it up succinctly. i.e. "I have never seen any coherent arguments. If you believe there are, then present them. Otherwise we will have to assume they do not exist."bornagain77
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You may think TE’s are confused, but I don’t, and I’m sure they don’t either.
They are most definitely confused. They have no basis for their beliefs. That certainly qualifies as confusion.
the arguments being made against his, and yours, views.
There are no arguments. I have never seen any coherent arguments. If you believe there are, then present them. Otherwise we will have to assume they do not exist. Meyer's comment as provided by BA77 is amazingly cogent. There can be no objection to it.jerry
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"but those applications are not amenable to good discussions" Scamp, So why does UD make for a good discussion, as you are implying? Andrewasauber
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"If my worldview, religion or political leaning have nothing to do with what I am discussion, why muddy the waters with raising them." Scamp, They have everything to do with why you are here to begin with, what you decide to type in a comment and when, and how. It's painfully obvious that you are evading disclosing important information. Andrewasauber
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