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Yes, it was always there but recently, as the editors become ever more self-righteous (= Us vs. the Unwashed), it has become more open and that sure isn’t an improvement. Two items noted in passing:

Big Climate:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an important organization with a primary purpose to assess the scientific literature on climate in order to inform policy…

Regrettably, the IPCC WG2 has strayed far from its purpose to assess and evaluate the scientific literature, and has positioned itself much more as a cheerleader for emissions reductions and produced a report that supports such advocacy. The IPCC exhorts: “impacts will continue to increase if drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are further delayed – affecting the lives of today’s children tomorrow and those of their children much more than ours … Any further delay in concerted global action will miss a brief and rapidly closing window to secure a liveable future.”

The focus on emissions reductions is a major new orientation for WG2, which previously was focused exclusively on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. The new focus on mitigation is explicit, with the IPCC WG2 noting (1-31) that its focus “expands significantly from previous reports” and now includes “the benefits of climate change mitigation and emissions reductions.” This new emphasis on mitigation colors the entire report, which in places reads as if adaptation is secondary to mitigation or even impossible. The IPCC oddly presents non-sequiturs tethering adaptation to mitigation, “Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.”

Roger Pielke, Jr., “A Rapidly Closing Window to Secure a Liveable Future” at The Honest Broker Newsletter/Substack (March 2, 2022)

The relentless drum-banging will probably have the opposite effect of the one desired, especially when (as is sure to happen) some emission reduction strategies do much more harm than good and the boosters are running for cover, misrepresenting those outcomes in the name of “Trust the Science.”

And then there are the ridiculous efforts in popular science media to snuff out any awareness of the possibility that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab doing research on making viruses more powerful. How awful of any of us to suggest such a thing! Here’s an intro to a podcast on the topic:

We have featured the work of science writer Matt Ridley on several occasions over the years. Now he is the author (with Alina Chan) of the new book Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19. Brendan O’Neill has recorded a podcast with Ridley to discuss how the Covid-19 virus might have leaked from a lab in Wuhan and how scientists tried to suppress the lab-leak origin theory. Spiked has posted the podcast here. I have embedded it below.

The New York Times continues to flog the alleged natural origin of the plague. Most recently, the Times has promoted “new research” pointing to the live animal market in Wuhan as the origin: “Analyzing a wide range of data, including virus genes, maps of market stalls and the social media activity of early Covid-19 patients across Wuhan, the scientists concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.” However, “some gaps” in the evidence still remain. “The new [unpublished] papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.”

Scott Johnson, “The case for the lab-leak theory” at Powerline Blog (March 4, 2022)

More re Viral

Science writer Matt Ridley thinks science is reverting to a cult. Maybe his next book should be about that.

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WJM
What I don’t understand is how the Big Bang Theory has survived in light of quantum physics research.
It says something about the claim that there is "no external reality". I proposed already some major problems with quotes from physicists "reality does not exist unless you're observing it". Nobody bothers going through all the absurd implications of that kind of statement.Silver Asiatic
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I would imagine that if a physicist said, “There is no reality” in light of the results of quantum physics research, what he meant was that there is no reality in terms of ontological realism.
The first problem I recognize is that physics cannot tell us "that there is no reality in terms of ontological realism". Science is not equipped to do that kind of philosophical analysis. QM-Idealism is reductionist. Physicists make statements outside of their competence. Science cannot tell us that nothing exists but what is testable by physics. Saying that ontological realism does not exist assumes that everything is composed of particles and that quantum measurements correctly model all of reality. That's radically over-stating what physics can tell us. Many think for example, that life is reducible to physics. I'm not even talking about consciousness, but just life itself. In my philosophical view (classic Western theism) each living being has an immaterial "form" (we would call it a soul for humans). So, the intellectual form is a foundation for realism. This has religious implications and science really has little or nothing to say at that level. It would be like me saying "my religious beliefs prove that realism is true" - which I could do. Why not? But of course, that kind of argument does not work for people who think physics, for example, is the highest, most accurate and most comprehensive (or even "only") knowledge we have about reality.Silver Asiatic
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SA has been good enough to start a conversation about the steps he would take to reach some of the above conclusions, and that has been good. We are working to understand each other, working to see what we agree on, answering each other’s questions, etc.
Thank you and I fully agree - and thanks for your patience. We are moving very slowly through each idea. I'm almost tempted to stop because getting agreement on anything like this has been so rare for me to find - again, I appreciate your forthright approach. But we should just keep moving forward, looking for agreements at each point until we can't go forward. We left off with the agreement on A=A. (Querius was quoting from a long time back before we had agreed - yes, we fully agree now). Additionally, we accepted that Identity requires some means of boundary on A, some defining factor. So, A is separated. I used the example of a box of blue marbles. If there was one green marble in the box, I could ask for the green marble. It's separated from the whole by its unique color. However, if all marbles were blue, I could not ask for "the blue marble" since none of them could be distinguished in that way. This is what A=A means. We separated one thing. It's got defining features and those features create a boundary. At this moment, the discussion does not really go forward in a straight, incremental path. Instead, there are several (I count 10 at least) points that emerge off of our agreement. It's like A=A is the hub or center and other points orbit around it. We already mentioned LEM and LCN, we both agree that those follow from LOI. But more importantly, we can start with one point (and correlatives) I wonder if you agree with: We said A=A is a foundation. Here is what that means. 1. It's not a subjective opinion. Neither of us invented this point. It's something we accept. 2. It's not strictly a faith-based proposal. As we said, there are some assumptions needed, but this is not a religious teaching. 3. We could say that we made a choice to accept A=A. However, it is simply not possible for us to reject this idea. We could try to reject it, so that means we freely choose it for various reasons. But no matter how hard we try to reject A=A, it is impossible to do that and also remain consistent to the truth. 4. Now that we agree on A=A, we have a "shared truth". We have both said, there are no exceptions to this idea, so our shared understanding cannot change. 5. A=A is a truth-expression. We both agree that the formula is true. What happens next, however, means that we use this LOI (applying to LEM and LNC) in ways that make sense because we both have made a commitment to the truth of things, and we will be consistent with this. KF has referred to this previously as "the duty to truth". That was a big debate here previously. But in our case, all we're saying is "I accept A=A not just for today because I feel like it, but because it's actually true. I therefore won't just change my mind later. There are no exceptions to this rule." What all of that is saying is "our views attempt to be consistent with what we know". In other words, we try to line up our ideas with what we think is true. I will add one thing at the end. I am aware of your views, VL (not all ID opponents share it) that there are "different ways of knowing" and I fully agree with that. I am not proposing that all of reality can be modeled by logic. I accept that intuition and also non-logical truths (not "illogical" but rather super-logical, above logic) exist and are necessary and I use them in my worldview. But that's going far beyond where we are right now. We're not looking at implications beyond the few points raised. With all of that, do you agree with the points here?Silver Asiatic
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Q, I’m about to retire from this discussion with you, as, I’ve said, you seem to be purposively not forthcoming about what point you are trying to make. You are the person who started talking about experimental evidence way back at 646, although the phrase was “experimental [italicized] knowledge at that time and then I wrote experimental evidence a little later, which is the phrase you have continued to use as you’ve asked me your question multiple times. I gave an answer at 703: I know some about the general outline of the features of the Big Bang theory, but am not very familiar with the technical details of the actual evidence that cosmologists have used to reach those general conclusions: it would be probably more accurate to say that I am familiar with experimentally-based knowledge about the Big Bang. FWIW, I’m more familiar with QM and relativity than I am with cosmology. So, unless you want to explain more about why you’re asking this question, or otherwise further the discussion, I retire from responding to you. I’d like to point out that I have appreciated the discussion started with SA yesterday, which has been of a much higher quality. We are working to understand each other, working to see what we agree on, answering each other’s questions, etc. That is much better than this discussion with you has been.Viola Lee
March 25, 2022
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Astro 101 https://openstax.org/details/books/astronomykairosfocus
March 25, 2022
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Simple projection backward of expansion multiplied by other phenomena.kairosfocus
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What I don't understand is how the Big Bang Theory has survived in light of quantum physics research. They still talk about "matter" and "energy" as if they actually exist as things external of experience. It's like cosmologists have walled quantum physics research off and won't go near it. Not in our house!!!William J Murray
March 25, 2022
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Q said:
Some simulation believers have a different behind-the-simulation causal existence in mind.
The reason I don't worry about simulation theory is because it either begs the question (simulations all the way up?) or puts knowledge of actual reality out of reach. I'm not sure what value simulation theory would provide me. MRT provides me with great value in terms of enjoyment and functionality.William J Murray
March 25, 2022
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Viola Lee @704,
I’m also a little puzzled by your phrase “experimental evidence” and why it’s italicized.
Words are italicized either for emphasis or as a special or a foreign-language term. In this case, it was for emphasis in response to your post in which you wrote:
Q, a “sentient transcendent being” is not within our experimental knowledge.
This is why I asked:
Ok, so what do you consider regarding the Big Bang that qualifies in your view as experimental evidence?
Do you see the connection between your confident use of the term regarding a "sentient transcendent being” in contrast to your puzzlement over the same term in 704. Perhaps you can clarify your own use of the italicized term with respect to the Big Bang. So, one more time: What do you consider regarding the Big Bang that qualifies in your view as experimental evidence? -QQuerius
March 24, 2022
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VL, My point in 672 is that the onward import is there, on the table already. KF F/N: To wit:
Here is where it goes, next, A is A i/l/o distinct characteristics, leads to world W = {A|~A}, so any x in W will be A or else not A but not both or neither. that’s LNC and LEM already. Going beyond, core of Math and so its universal power, just for starters.
The onward linked draws out how the triplet leads to the core of Math and the universal power of that core, using possible worlds approaches. That is significant, i/l/o Wigner's wondering on that power of Mathematics. Logic of structure and quantity, an application and extension of logic of being, allows us to see how key abstracta constrain possibilities by being framework to any possible world, without being active causal agents. Because, without cause, to echo a phrase out there.kairosfocus
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I'm also a little puzzled by your phrase "experimental evidence" and why it's italicized. We know a lot about the life cycle of stars, for instance, by gathering data from lots of stars. However, in some sense we don't really experiment on stars (we can't manipulate them), although we do run experiments in the sense that we gather different kinds of data, make hypotheses, gather more data to test the hypotheses, etc. Are you trying to emphasize the word "experiment" in some way for some reason. Again, it would be useful if you were to try to be clear about what's on your mind rather than asking what seem to be somewhat cryptic questions.Viola Lee
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Q, I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. Even as a layperson, cosmology is not something I know a lot about. I accept some basic things: the universe began in a singularity about 14 billions years ago, there was rapid expansion, at some point (a very short amount of time), elementary particles were formed, and then hydrogen and helium, eventually stars formed which have formed the heavier elements, there is a cosmic background radiation left over from this, the red-shift in star light shows that the universe is expanding. And actually, those are more conclusions than evidence. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what the major evidence is for many of these conclusions. I know the cosmic background radiation is discernible with radio telescopes, but I couldn't tell you the details of what that looks like. What is your point? Do you doubt these conclusions? Do you know more of the details of the actual evidence for the Big Bang? I feel like you're fishing for something and I don't know what it is or how it applies to your position that a "sentient transcendental being, with motivation and intention " is the proper metaphysical view about reality. I've said, "That’s why I am asking you to be more specific about the steps you take to conclude that the evidence “points to a sentient transcendental being, with motivation and intention (as you mentioned earlier), and then to a all wise and benevolent being (as KF asserts)” Maybe you could make your case rather than grilling me about what I know.Viola Lee
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Viola Lee, Ok, so what do you consider regarding the Big Bang that qualifies in your view as experimental evidence? -QQuerius
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Q, I am referring in general to the same body of experimental evidence that you refer to: QM, the Big Bang, etc., when you have written, multiple times, "QM, space-time, the red shift and extrapolated Big Bang origin, information (and uncertainty), ... ". That's why I am asking you to be more specific about the steps you take to conclude that the evidence "points to a sentient transcendental being, with motivation and intention (as you mentioned earlier), and then to a all wise and benevolent being (as KF asserts)"Viola Lee
March 24, 2022
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Viola Lee @661,
And those steps are full of assumptions that do not follow from the experimental evidence.
Really? What experimental evidence are you referring to? -QQuerius
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Q, you quote me as answering before, “We have discussed other alternative views in other threads before, and I’m not interested in rehashing that”, and then you ask me the same question again. My answer remains the same. Let me quote, for the record,
Q, we have discussed other alternative views in other threads before, and I’m not interested in rehashing that. Concluding that the evidence (which, in respect especially to QM, is open to multiple, possibly untestable interpretations) points to a sentient transcendental being, with motivation and intention (as you mentioned earlier), and then to a all wise and benevolent being (as KF asserts) is a large number of leaps of faith embedded in a particular cultural theological tradition. Your conclusion that such a conclusion is most likely and all others are thin is just your own faith-based belief system talking. I’ve said all this before, and my attempts to offer other perspectives have not been welcome: in fact, they’ve been met with some ridicule and rudeness. There is no value to me in rehashing previous discussions.
SA has been good enough to start a conversation about the steps he would take to reach some of the above conclusions, and that has been good. Perhaps you also could show the steps by which our experimental knowledge (which I am aware of) leads to your conclusion?Viola Lee
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Q, we do have agreement on A=A. I don't know why SA said we didn't, but he and I have been carefully discussing that. We certainly don't have disagreement among those participating in this thread.Viola Lee
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William J Murray @687, Yes, you’re right about Realism versus Idealism. To dodge that important distinction temporarily, I’d suggest we use the term “reality” instead. I agree with you on 688 as well. This is where things get “curiouser and curiouser” as Alice would say. -QQuerius
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Q, I don't believe there are any "apologists for deterministic materialism" in this conversation.Viola Lee
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Silver Asiatic @678,
A=A means realism is true because it gives us a means of making a distinction. It provides a distinct A an identifiable entity and that requires something real.
Right because if we deny that identity then everything else just collapses into incoherence. The fact that we sustain the identity of A is evidence of distinct segmentation by boundary.
What it states is that there is an underlying reality. And accepting that as truth, is a fundamental element in what we can hope to know. There are others as well. For example, another basic assumption is that we are even capable of understanding reality. That’s not "a given" by any means. -QQuerius
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Kairosfocus @671,
If we are not responsibly and rationally significantly free, QM, Mathematics, Chemistry, you name it has fallen under a cloud of utter discredit. That has to be faced, the branch on which we all sit.
Great point! I'm likewise suggesting we muster the courage to look at the branch and how we're sawing it. -QQuerius
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Silver Asiatic @656,
I don’t think we’ve got a solid agreement so far on: A=A
Um, could we call the lack of agreement on even that an identity crisis? (smile) -Q (sorry, I couldn't resist)Querius
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Jerry @653,
That would be a first here.
Haha! Good one! -QQuerius
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Viola Lee @652,
Q, we have discussed other alternative views in other threads before, and I’m not interested in rehashing that.
No, I’m simply asking what experimental evidence do we have to work with. You’re rejecting the process of taking an inventory apparently based on fear of a potential conclusion. We’re miles away from that but it seems like you’re afraid of even looking at the experimental evidence that do have. Surely, experimental evidence is not boring, is it? Thus, I ask you again . . . Regarding other possibilities being thin, considering what we know experimentally about QM, space-time, the red shift and extrapolated Big Bang origin, information (and uncertainty), just what are the other reasonable possibilities within our experimental knowledge? -QQuerius
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William J Murray @651,
The most obvious candidate is that which we’re all already looking at: us. Me. You. Conscious minds we already know exist. In fact, we have established via 100+ years of quantum physics research that we are, in fact, generating actualities from potentia – choosing them, in fact, via what we call observation.
Sure. That’s given rise to the “ancestor simulation” hypothesis among other potentia. And there are a few others.
Or, to put it very simply, I wasn’t around to cause my own existence or the world I require to exist. Thus, I’m a contingent being, and not the uncaused cause that we’re looking for.
Correct. But hold your horses.
And here’s a logical jewel when it comes to what resides in potentia: we are all eternal, necessary, non-contingent beings at least in what we call potentia, or else we couldn’t ever “become” actual.
Whoa. Some simulation believers have a different behind-the-simulation causal existence in mind. A premature question at this point, which we can raise later, is “Why would we do so?” But why not first get all these possibilities on the table? -QQuerius
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Kairosfocus @650,
The issue then is, what good reason do objectors have to infer that we need not point to such a world root, or that there is no serious candidate, or that if there is, that the candidate or candidates is/are impossible of being.
Right. What I’m suggesting is for the objector (or anyone else) to simply perform an inventory on what we experimentally feel confident that we know. I’m aware that the apologists for deterministic materialism are twisting themselves into knots to try to maintain their position. Why not just relax and let the evidence suggest reasonable possibilities? -QQuerius
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I would imagine that if a physicist said, "There is no reality" in light of the results of quantum physics research, what he meant was that there is no reality in terms of ontological realism. This is true; ontological realism has been falsified - at least to this point - by 100+ years of quantum physics experiments designed to test various theories where realism could be maintained (local or non-local.)William J Murray
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SA said:
A=A means realism is true because it gives us a means of making a distinction. It provides a distinct A an identifiable entity and that requires something real.
You say that as if, under idealism, there is no means if making a distinction. This is false. The difference between ontological idealism and realism is not whether or not one can make distinctions. It is, rather, where those distinctions are made, how they are made, and what they mean. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/idealism/
The statement, for example (as physicist quoted recently here said: “There is no reality”) means there is no distinct A. So, A does not equal A – since there can be no A.
Ontological realism is not the equivalent of saying "reality exists." Realism refers to a certain category of ontologies. Idealism is a different category of ontologies. Idealism does not claim "There is no reality," only that reality is of a different nature than realist ontologies.William J Murray
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VL Thanks for your excellent responses. We have a solid foundation. I will pick up the next steps tomorrow. Also, right - we have not introduced LEM or LNC - not necessary. The point we agreed upon is the question of "boundary" being essential to identity. Sorry I don't have time to go further today - thanks again.Silver Asiatic
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KF, my question is to SA in reference to the conversation we are having. However, if you are following along, you might read 670 and note that I have already written, "To save time, perhaps, I also accept the law of non-contradiction and the law of the excluded middle, by the way."Viola Lee
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