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shark-553666_1280In recent posts, I have been discussing some important points about the reasonable meaning of homologies and differences in the proteome in the course of natural history. For the following discussion, just to be clear, I will accept a scenario of Common Descent (as explained in many recent posts) in the context of an ID approach. I will also accept the very reasonable concept that neutral or quasi-neutral random variation happens in time, and that negative (purifying) selection is the main principle which limits random variation in functional sequences.

My main points are the following:

  1. Given those premises, homologies through natural history are certainly an indicator of functional constraints, because they mean that some sequence cannot be significantly transformed by random variation. Another way to express this concept is that variation in a functional sequence with strong functional constraints is not neutral, but negative, and therefore negative selection will in mot cases suppress variation and conserve the functional sequence through time. This is a very important point, because it means that strong homologies through time point to high functional complexity, and therefore to design. I have used this kind of argument, for example, for proteins like the beta chain of ATP synthase (highly conserved from LUCA to humans) and Histone H3 (highly conserved in all eukaryotes).
  2. Differences between homologues, instead, can have two completely different meanings:
  •  2a) They can be the result of accumulating neutral variation in parts of the molecule which are not functionally constrained
  • 2b) They can be the expression of differences in function in different species and contexts

I do believe that both 2a and 2b happen and have an important role in shaping the proteome. 2b, in particular, is often underestimated. It is also, in many cases, a very good argument for ID.

 

Now, I will try to apply this reasoning to one example. I have chosen a regulatory protein, one which is not really well understood, but which has certainly an important role in epigenetic regulation. The protein is called “Prickle”, and we will consider in particular the one known as “Prickle 1”. It has come to my attention trough an interesting paper linked by Dionisio (to whom go my sincere thanks and appreciation):

Planar polarization of Vangl2 in the vertebrate neural plate is controlled by Wnt and Myosin II signaling

In brief, Prickle is a molecule implied, among other things, in planar polarization events and in the regulation of neural system in vertebrates.

Let’s have a look at the protein. From Wikipedia:

Prickle is part of the non-canonical Wnt signaling pathway that establishes planar cell polarity.[2] A gain or loss of function of Prickle1 causes defects in the convergent extension movements of gastrulation.[3] In epithelial cells, Prickle2 establishes and maintains cell apical/basal polarity.[4] Prickle1 plays an important role in the development of the nervous system by regulating the movement of nerve cells.[5

And:

Mutations in Prickle genes can cause epilepsy in humans by perturbing Prickle function.[12] One mutation in Prickle1 gene can result in Prickle1-Related Progressive Myoclonus Epilepsy-Ataxia Syndrome.[2] This mutation disrupts the interaction between prickle-like 1 and REST, which results in the inability to suppress REST.[2] Gene knockdown of Prickle1 by shRNA or dominant-negative constructs results in decreased axonal and dendritic extension in neurons in the hippocampus.[5] Prickle1 gene knockdown in neonatal retina causes defects in axon terminals of photoreceptors and in inner and outer segments.[5]

The human protein is 831 AAs long.

Its structure is interesting: according to Uniprot, in the first part of the molecule we can recognize 4 domains:

1 PET domain:  AAs 14 – 122

3 LIM zinc-binding doamins:  AAs 124 – 313

In the rest of the sequence (AAs 314 – 831) no known domain is recognized.

Here is the FASTA sequence of the human protein, divided in the two parts (red: 4 domain part; blue: no domain part):

 

>sp|Q96MT3|PRIC1_HUMAN Prickle-like protein 1 OS=Homo sapiens GN=PRICKLE1 PE=1 SV=2
MPLEMEPKMSKLAFGCQRSSTSDDDSGCALEEYAWVPPGLRPEQIQLYFACLPEEKVPYV
NSPGEKHRIKQLLYQLPPHDNEVRYCQSLSEEEKKELQVFSAQRKKEALGRGTIKLLSRA
VMHAVCEQCGLKINGGEVAVFASRAGPGVCWHPSCFVCFTCNELLVDLIYFYQDGKIHCG
RHHAELLKPRCSACDEIIFADECTEAEGRHWHMKHFCCLECETVLGGQRYIMKDGRPFCC
GCFESLYAEYCETCGEHIGVDHAQMTYDGQHWHATEACFSCAQCKASLLGCPFLPKQGQI
YCSKTCSLGEDVHASDSSDSAFQSARSRDSRRSVRMGKSSRSADQCRQSLLLSPALNYKF
PGLSGNADDTLSRKLDDLSLSRQGTSFASEEFWKGRVEQETPEDPEEWADHEDYMTQLLL
KFGDKSLFQPQPNEMDIRASEHWISDNMVKSKTELKQNNQSLASKKYQSDMYWAQSQDGL
GDSAYGSHPGPASSRRLQELELDHGASGYNHDETQWYEDSLECLSDLKPEQSVRDSMDSL
ALSNITGASVDGENKPRPSLYSLQNFEEMETEDCEKMSNMGTLNSSMLHRSAESLKSLSS
ELCPEKILPEEKPVHLPVLRRSKSQSRPQQVKFSDDVIDNGNYDIEIRQPPMSERTRRRV
YNFEERGSRSHHHRRRRSRKSRSDNALNLVTERKYSPKDRLRLYTPDNYEKFIQNKSARE
IQAYIQNADLYGQYAHATSDYGLQNPGMNRFLGLYGEDDDSWCSSSSSSSDSEEEGYFLG
QPIPQPRPQRFAYYTDDLSSPPSALPTPQFGQRTTKSKKKKGHKGKNCIIS

So, this is a very interesting situation, which is not so rare. We have the first part of the sequence (313 AAs) which configures well known and conserved domains, while “the rest”(517 AAs)  is apparently not understood in terms of structure and function.

So, to better understand what all this could mean, I have blasted those two parts of the human molecule separately.

(Those who are not interested in the technical details, can choose here to go on to the conclusions  🙂 )

The first part of the sequence (AAs 1 – 313) shows no homologies in prokaryotes. So, we are apparently in the presence of domains which appear in eukaryotes.

In fungi, we find some significant, but weak, homologues. The best hit is an expect of 2e-21, with 56 identities and 93 positives (99.4 bits).

Multicellular organisms have definitely stronger homologies:

C. elegans:  144 identities, 186 positives, expect 2e-90 (282 bits)

Drosophila melanogaster:  202 identities, 244 positives, expect 5e-152 (447 bits)

Let’s go to non vertebrate chordates:

Cephalochordata (Branchiostoma floridae):  222 identities, 256 positives, expect 6e-165 (484 bits)

Tunicata (Ciona intestinalis): 196 identities, 241 positives, expect 2e-149 (442 bits)

Now, vertebrates:

Cartilaginous fishes (Callorhincus milii): 266 identities, 290 positives, expect 0.0 (588 bits)

Bony fishes (Lepisosteus oculatus): 274 identities, 292 positives, expect 0.0 (598 bits)

Mammals (Mouse): 309 identities, 312 positives, expect 0.0 (664 bits)

IOWs, what we see here is that the 4 domain part of the molecule, absent in prokaryotes, is already partially observable in single celled eukaryotes, and is strongly recognizable in all multicellular beings. It is interesting that homology with the human form is not very different between drosophila and non vertebrate chordates, while there is a significant increase in vertebrates, and practical identity already in mouse. That is a very common pattern, and IMO it can be explained as a mixed result of different functional constraints and neutral evolution in different time splits.

Now, let’s go to “the rest” of the molecule: AAs 314 – 831 (518 AAs). No recognizable domains here.

What is the behaviour of this sequence in natural history?

Again, let’s start again from the human sequence and blast it.

With Prokaryotes: no homologies

With Fungi: no homologies

C. elegans: no homologies

Drosophila melanogaster: no homologies

Let’s go to non vertebrate chordates:

Cephalochordata (Branchiostoma floridae):  no significant homologies

Tunicata (Ciona intestinalis): no significant homologies

So, there is no significant homology in the whole range of eukaryotes, excluding vertebrates and including chordates which are not vertebrates.

Now, what happens with vertebrates?

Here are the numbers:

Cartilaginous fishes (Callorhincus milii): 350 identities, 429 positives, expect 0.0 (597 bits)

Bony fishes (Lepisosteus oculatus): 396 identities, 446 positives, expect 0.0 (662 bits)

Mammals (Mouse): 466 identities, 491 positives, expect 0.0 (832 bits)

IOWs, what we see here is that the no domain part of the molecule is practically non existent in prokaryotes, in single celled eukaryotes and in all multicellular beings which are not vertebrates. In vertebrates, the sequence is not only present in practically all vertebrates, but it is also extremely conserved, from sharks to humans. So, we have a steep informational jump from non chordates and non vertebrate chordates, where the sequence is practically absent, to the very first vertebrates, where the sequence is already highly specific.

What does that mean from an ID point of view? It’s simple:

a) The sequence of 517 AAs which represents the major part of the human protein must be reasonably considered highly functional, because it is strongly conserved throughout vertebrate evolution. As we have said in the beginning, the only reasonable explanation for high conservation throughout a span of time which must be more than 400 million years long is the presence of strong functional constraints in the sequence.

b) The sequence and its function, whatever it may be (but it is probably an important regulatory function) is highly specific of vertebrates.

We have here a very good example of a part of a protein which practically appears in vertebrates while it is absent before, and which is reasonably highly functional in vertebrates.

So, to sum up:

  1. Prickle 1 is a functional protein which is found in all eukaryotes.
  2. The human sequence can be divided in two parts, with different properties.
  3. The first part, while undergoing evolutionary changes, is rather well conserved in all eukaryotes. Its function can be better understood, because it is made of known domains with known structure.
  4. The second part does not include any known domain or structure, and is practically absent in all eukaryotes except vertebrates.
  5. In vertebrates, it is highly conserved and almost certainly highly functional. Probably as a regulatory epigenetic sequence.
  6. For its properties, this second part, and its functional sequence, are a very reasonable object for a strong design inference.

 

I have added a graph to show better what is described in the conclusions, in particular the information jump in vertebrates for the second part of the sequence:

Graph3

Note: Thanks to the careful checking of Alicia Cartelli, I have corrected a couple of minor imprecisions in the data and the graph (see posts #83 and #136). Thank you, Alicia, for your commitment. The sense of the post, however, does not change.

Those who are interested in the evolutionary behaviour of protein Prickle 2 could give a look at my posts #127 and #137.

Comments
gpuccio: As I have explained before. simple ATP binding does not provide any advantage, indeed it is a potential problem. If you mean in isolation ATP-binding is not beneficial, that is certainly correct. As already pointed out, this is an experiment to determine whether proteins exist in random sequences, and whether there is a selectable pathway to improved function. The answer to both of these questions is yes. gpuccio: The essential nature of natural selection (selecting only for properties and levels which give reproductive advantage) is certainly not a detail! Yes, and Galileo dropping stones from the Leaning Tower of Pisa is not the same as a landslide. It's a simplification that helps understand the underlying process.Zachriel
March 26, 2016
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Zachriel: A breeder or nature selects from a population. A breeder selects from a population for some purpose or goal. This is selection for some future state envisioned by the breeder. Natural selection has no purpose or goal and has no orientation towards some desirable future. It doesn't care. In nature some members of a population produce more offspring than other members. That's not selection for anything.Mung
March 26, 2016
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Zachriel: "ATP-binding is a common cellular activity, so, of course ATP-binding provides a selective advantage. ATP-binding was chosen for just this reason." That is completely false. As I have explained before. simple ATP binding does not provide any advantage, indeed it is a potential problem. Molecules bind ATP to use its chemical energy to accomplish specific tasks. Simple ATP binding is completely useless, and it subtracts ATP to the environment. "Sure, but that doesn’t mean we can’t tease apart the details of how the process works." The essential nature of natural selection (selecting only for properties and levels which give reproductive advantage) is certainly not a detail!gpuccio
March 26, 2016
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gpuccio: Have you any evidence that a weak binding to ATP can give even a small selective advantage in a natural population, and that therefore it can be fixed? ATP-binding is a common cellular activity, so, of course ATP-binding provides a selective advantage. ATP-binding was chosen for just this reason. gpuccio: Natural selection selects only for properties and levels which give reproductive advantage. Other experiments have shown similar results, such as Hayashi et al. and phages. Keep in mind that the scientific method usually entails eliminating most of the complexity of nature in order to study a single attribute. That's why Galileo dropped stones from the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and why Aristotle was confused about gravity and inertia. gpuccio: Natural selection selects only for properties and levels which give reproductive advantage. Sure, but that doesn't mean we can't tease apart the details of how the process works.Zachriel
March 26, 2016
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Zachriel: The difference is not simply semantic. Artificial selection selects for any pre-defined property, at any pre-defined level. Natural selection selects only for properties and levels which give reproductive advantage. Can you agree on that?gpuccio
March 26, 2016
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Zachriel: Let's not play games. Have you any evidence that a weak binding to ATP can give even a small selective advantage in a natural population, and that therefore it can be fixed? Yes or no, please.gpuccio
March 26, 2016
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Mung: Natural selection doesn’t know anything about traits or reproduction. It doesn’t know advantage from disadvantage. It is blind and unintelligent. We said "select" not "know". Not sure why you want to quibble over semantics, though. What we can show is that environmental constraints will *cause* heritable changes *due* to differences in phenotype. Mung: From, not for. You're still arguing semantics — poorly. A breeder or nature selects from a population. A breeder or nature selects for bigger teeth.Zachriel
March 26, 2016
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Zachriel: Natural selection selects for traits which provide a reproductive advantage. Natural selection doesn't know anything about traits or reproduction. It doesn't know advantage from disadvantage. It is blind and unintelligent.
“The stronger progeny must be already there; it is not produced by natural selection…selection is made from already existing entities.” - Colin Patterson
From, not for. For is teleological. For is purposeful. Do you believe natural selection is teleological and purposeful Zachriel?Mung
March 26, 2016
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Mung: Artificial selection selects for. Natural selection selects from. Keefe & Szostak select from random sequences. Natural selection selects for traits which provide a reproductive advantage.Zachriel
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Artificial selection selects for. Natural selection selects from. Huge difference. HT: David AbelMung
March 25, 2016
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gpuccio: It is not a magnifying glass. It’s a completely different process. If the original random sequences didn't bind to ATP, then they couldn't be amplified. Even a small selective advantage can be fixed in a natural population. gpuccio: It doesn’t. It's an experiment. It's like you saying that Galileo dropping stones from the Leaning Tower of Pisa doesn't tell us anything about stones falling in nature. It's artificial dropping! What the experiment shows is that ATP-binding was present in the original randomized population, and that there are selectable pathways to increased function.Zachriel
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Zachriel: "Think of artificial selection as a magnifying glass." It is not a magnifying glass. It's a completely different process. "The original proteins bound to the substrate. If this provides even a small advantage to an organism..." It doesn't. That's why artificial selection can select those proteins, and natural selection can't. We have already discussed Hayashi many times, I don't think that here it's the time to do it again.gpuccio
March 25, 2016
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EugeneS: One of them is statistically significant functional information gains over the natural history. There are both theoretical and empirical reasons to believe that natural selection and natural sources of variation can explain increases in complexity over biological history. EugeneS: In the lab, yes. Almost never in the wild. Natural selection has been observed in the wild, and observed rates of evolution by natural selection are much faster than required to explain the historical record. EugeneS: When a system’s behaviour is a function of more than one parameter, it is up to a decision maker to make compromises between two non-dominating optimal solutions (Pareto front). Selection is very adept at balancing countervailing considerations.Zachriel
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"If this provides even a small advantage to an organism," In the lab, yes. Almost never in the wild. Natural selection is too coarse-grained control for it. Apart from that, in a multi-criteria optimization setting such as: Sensitivity vs. robustness. Chemical activity vs. chemical stability. ... The control by NS is too rudimentary for this. When a system's behaviour is a function of more than one parameter, it is up to a decision maker to make compromises between two non-dominating optimal solutions (Pareto front). For example, I have 10 dollars to spend in a shop. I want to minimize expense and maximize the amount of shopping I do. Two things at the same time. Many solutions are possible. I have to intelligently choose which one I want. The situation is even more interesting when my criteria are conflicting. E.g. I may want my system to be chemically active but only as and when needed. The point is, to create such systems takes intelligent purposive choice making. This kind of systems are practically impossible to achieve without intelligence. This hardly leaves anything from your overly optimistic evolutionistic picture of ToE being an overarching theory for biology. RV+NS is critically insufficient to explain decision making systems such as living organisms. The code base of all known life is not amenable to naturalistic explanations at all.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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Zachriel, "Sure, and there are many unanswered questions in biology, as well." Sure. One of them is statistically significant functional information gains over the natural history. What can be observed is noise or information losses. The only credibly experimentally established source of statistically significant functional information is intelligence.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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"So now we both agree that the biological Theory of Evolution doesn’t explain everything about biology." Of course, it does not. Nor does it explain statistically significant information gains as shown in the OP.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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EugeneS: There are profound things there that complicate the picture. Sure, and there are many unanswered questions in biology, as well. That doesn't mean there isn't two broad unifying theories in physics, and recent developments have brought scientists closer to a single theory; the discovery of the Higgs boson, and the possible detection of gravitational waves.Zachriel
March 24, 2016
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EugeneS: There is a threshold of sensitivity below which “stuff does not happen” in situ. The original proteins bound to the substrate. If this provides even a small advantage to an organism, then fixation may occur according to population genetics. For instance, the enzyme might bind to a toxin, or an invader. Or it may assist some other enzyme by making the substrate more easily available.Zachriel
March 24, 2016
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"However, it shows that there is a great deal of unification within physics. " That is an oversimplification. There are profound things there that complicate the picture. So the answer is, no. Some researchers believe it will always be a no.EugeneS
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"Think of artificial selection as a magnifying glass." That is the whole point. There is a threshold of sensitivity below which "stuff does not happen" in situ. In the lab, in an intelligently guided experiment, yes, sure. In reality though, it becomes noise.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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EugeneS: Physics: 2 > 1, isn’t it? However, it shows that there is a great deal of unification within physics. Meanwhile scientists are attempting to unify both theories into a single edifice. EugeneS: I agree that the origin of life cannot be explained by the theory of evolution. That is a remarkable coincidence of our views. So now we both agree that the biological Theory of Evolution doesn't explain everything about biology.Zachriel
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Zachriel, Physics: 2 > 1, isn't it? Do I take your phrase as an agreement with mine? Biology (largely explanative): The phrase "stuff happens" explains everything even better because it is absolutely correct in all cases. Do you think it is any worth? I agree that the origin of life cannot be explained by the theory of evolution. That is a remarkable coincidence of our views. But I suspect this is for entirely different reasons. I think that biology is a lot more than chemistry. You apparently don't.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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gpuccio: Simply binding ATP is of no use, indeed it can only deplete ATP, making it nor available for useful processes. The experiment shows that functional proteins are rare in random sequences, but not exceedingly so. gpuccio: b) In your statements, you aptly avoid to make any distinction between artificial selection and natural selection. That's immaterial to the point that weakly functioning proteins exist among random sequences, and that there is a selectable pathway to improved function. Think of artificial selection as a magnifying glass. Another example is where a gene for infectivity was replaced in a phage with a random sequence. See Hayashi et al., Can an Arbitrary Sequence Evolve Towards Acquiring a Biological Function?, Journal of Molecular Biology 2003. Eugenes: Now, stick to biology and tell us what in biology the theory of evolution does not explain. The biological Theory of Evolution is largely explanative of biological phenomena. However, it does not explain the origin of life. Eugenes: In physics, there is no overarching theory. In physics there are just two, albeit inconsistent, overarching theories, quantum theory and general relativity.Zachriel
March 24, 2016
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Zachriel, In physics, there is no overarching theory. In mathematics, there is none either. Don't you think it is a bit suspicious that in biology, which is way more complex than our contemporary understanding of physics or mathematics, allegedly, there is one grand theory that purports to explain every biological phenomenon.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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Zachriel, "The word “evolution” has many uses" I am glad you admit it. Now, stick to biology and tell us what in biology the theory of evolution does not explain.EugeneS
March 24, 2016
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Me_Think: The only thing which seems to be extinct here is common sense.gpuccio
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Zachriel: Just as an aside, I would like to remind you that in the Szostak paper there is another basic bias, less important than those I have already highlighted, but which deserves to be mentioned. As the random library was built from random DNA sequences selected to be ORFs (avoiding stop codons, and requiring a start codon for translation), we should consider an additional factor of 3 orders of magnitude in the results, because the probability for a random sequence of nucleotides to be an ORF coding for 80 AAs is about 1:1000. So, the final figure, if related to random nucleotide sequences rather than to random AA sequences, should be 1:10^14.gpuccio
March 24, 2016
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Me @ 645
I will try 3d model search. If that too doesn’t bring up anything useful, it means there is no reason for intermediary protein sequence to be preserved or-as zac says- the intermediaries are extinct.
Well, 3d model search too didn't bring up anything useful, so the conclusion is: the intermediaries are extinct. (atleast IMO)Me_Think
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Zachriel: I will not insist on your rather ambiguous use of the concept of chemical specificity. It's not really important. I want to remind you, however, that: a) ATP binding is a common cellular function because ATP is a common source of stored energy for chemical reactions. So, a lot of systems bind ATP to couple that energy to some other biochemical reaction. Simply binding ATP is of no use, indeed it can only deplete ATP, making it nor available for useful processes. b) In your statements, you aptly avoid to make any distinction between artificial selection and natural selection. As you know, I have dedicated a whole thread to that problem (https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/natural-selection-vs-artificial-selection/). That's why I used the world "engineered". Simply backpedaling to the generic word "selection" does not solve the problem. c) Again, you should say: "Biologists already know that if there is a naturally selectable function, then natural evolution can usually optimize the structure." On the other end, if there is an artificially selectable function, then only artificial evolution can optimize the structure.gpuccio
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gpuccio: Weak binding to ATP is a function, but it is not a naturally selectable function ATP binding is a common cellular function. gpuccio: The original protein has low specificity. Engineered evolution increases the specificity. It shows that simple selection for function can increase the binding capability of the protein, that there is a selectable pathway. gpuccio: In no way we can assume that those sequences presented any folding comparable to that of known functional proteins, while the engineered protein derived from them certainly presented some definite ordered folding. Of course. That's the whole point. Biologists already know that if there is a selectable function, then evolution can usually optimize the structure. The question was where the initial function came from in primordial life. While modern cells don't start with random sequences — junk DNA is naturally enriched — , primordial cells may not have had the same resources. Using random sequences provides a floor to the frequency of proteins with selectable function. gpuccio: The binding of Hydrogen to Oxygen to make water is specific and strong. Oxygen-binding is generally indiscriminate. Hemoglobin has a special affinity for oxygen, soaking up excess oxygen through cooperative binding (each new oxygen molecule changes the shape of the molecule), and releasing it as needed. gpuccio: So is the binding of Phosphate to ADP to generate ATP. ATP synthase selectively binds to ADP in order to add the phosphate group.Zachriel
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