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Several of the usual suspects howled in indignation at my last post, Back to Basics on Whether Truth is Adaptive.  Seversky, goodusername, Pindi, Starbuck, critical rationalist, and rvb8 all embarrassed themselves to one degree or another.

This surprised me, because my thesis – that evolutionary theory predicts that belief in the truth is not always adaptive, and, conversely, belief in a falsehood can be adaptive – is a commonplace among evolutionary theorists.  It is not the least bit controversial, as I made plain with quotes from Pinker, Baum, Hoffman, Varki, Brower, and even Darwin himself (his famous “horrid doubt” quote).

So I challenged my interlocutors.  If you don’t think what I am saying is true, then cite a paper that argues for the opposite proposition:  that truth is always adaptive and falsehood is always maladaptive.

The entirely predictable response to the challenge:  [crickets]

My interlocutors seemed to be especially flummoxed by the following example I used to illustrate the point:

Oog the caveman thinks Saber Toothed tigers are fun to play with. But he also thinks the best way to play with tigers is to run and hide. Both ideas are contrary to reality. But in combination they result in his survival. Oog is fit under Darwinism’s definition of fit.

For example Goodusername wrote:  “Oog doesn’t have long to live.”  Why would GUN say that?  The example specifically says Oog survived, and why is that surprising?  After all, running and hiding when he sees a tiger is one of the best survival behaviors I can imagine.

Nevertheless, GUN insists that Oog’s days are numbered, because he is not thinking straight.  THAT IS THE POINT GUN!  Natural selection does not care whether Oog is thinking straight.  It only cares if his behavior results in his survival.  In the example Oog ran and hid and survived.  It makes no difference as far as Darwinian fitness is concerned that Oog hid for the wrong reason.  The only thing that matters from a fitness perspective is that he hid and therefore survived.

Bottom line:  Oog’s false beliefs about playing games with tigers led to a behavior (hiding) that resulted in his survival.  Therefore, when Oog acted on the basis of these false beliefs, it increased his fitness (which means nothing more than that he survived to pass along his genes).

Why is this so hard to understand?  This is pretty basic stuff.  Yet, Rvb8 wrote:  “this Oog chap seems to have a parlous grip on his environment and its inhabitants.”

Yes, Rvb8, that is true.  And again, that is the point!  Oog’s mental grasp on reality is utterly irrelevant to natural selection so long as it leads him to ACT in a way that increases his chances of surviving.  And running and hiding from tigers definitely does that for obvious reasons.

Pindi wrote:

Barry, what I am disagreeing with is that a caveman that was so poorly adapted to his environment that be believes sabre tooth tigers are fun to play with is going to survive long enough to breed in comparison to a caveman who recognizes the truth about sabre tooth tigers. Surely that is obvious. I can’t believe you are denying it with a straight face.

*sigh*  The point of the example is that Oog IS adapted to his environment.  How is he adapted to his environment?  Even though he does so for the wrong reason, he runs and hides when he sees a tiger.  Maybe another example will help you understand this basic concept:

  1. Scenario one: Oog sees a tiger, and he says to himself, “that tiger wants to play games, and I know his favorite game is hide and seek.  I will run into this cave where he can’t find me.”  Oog then hides in the cave; the tiger does not find him, and Oog survives.
  1. Scenario two: Ugm sees a tiger, and he says to himself, “that tiger is dangerous.  I will run into this cave where he can’t find me.”  Ugm then hides in the cave; the tiger does not find him, and Ugm survives.

As between Oog and Ugm, which is more “fit” as far as natural selection is concerned?  Trick question.  They both survived, and if this one incident is all we know about them, they are equally fit even though Oog acted on false beliefs and Ugm acted on true beliefs.   The ONLY way to actually measure relative fitness is to measure relative survival rates.  If survival rates are the same, fitness is the same.

I hope our Darwinist friends appreciate the education in Darwinism I am giving them.   I doubt they do.

Comments
Some time ago, (not exactly sure), Barry was caught in a similar predicament. That is, having made an ill-conceived assertion, or bogus observation, or silly analogy, rather than saying, 'I'm sorry, that was an ill-conceived assertion, bogus observation, or silly analogy', doubled and trippled down. I think it was some silly assertion about Gravity being the most powerful force in the universe. People desperately tried to explain to him that, although gravity may be considered the 'sculpture' of nature, other forces (the strong nuclear forces binding atoms etc), were actually far more powerful. Heh:) Barry just wouldn't let go:) Barry, an Ooog, is an impossible proposition for 'selection', he would be robustly 'selected' against, as would his parents, and grandparents, right back to the unlucky ancestor with the unlucky genetic mutation that caused them to think, 'Tigers are play things!' Really Barry, take the Laws of Evolution more seriously, and you won't find yourself in these embarassing fo-pahs again.rvb8
September 23, 2017
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Boy, have you Severskis exposed yourselves. Ignore the premise, pick holes in the example. I haven't seen such meandering hairsplitting since leaving Uni. Answer his challenge, cite authority. Barry's point is uncontentious, you just don't like to face it, that's all.Belfast
September 23, 2017
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Seversky @29
Sev: This discussion has been about whether false beliefs can nonetheless improve the chances of survival of the individual who holds them and there seems to be general agreement that this could happen.
I'd go even further and claim that, given evolutionism, beliefs are most likely untrue — an adaptive belief which is true is an exception to the rule.
Sev: The origin of such beliefs and the question of the extent to which we have free will to act on or ignore them is a fascinating and important question in itself.
Let’s be clear about the fact that the topic is utterly uninteresting to the naturalist, since there is no way in hell she’ll be able to ground free will.
Sev: But it is a separate – albeit related – issue.
Fine, let me just say that I hope that you, and kindred spirits in this thread, better your ways, restrict yourself to mechanistic evolutionary explanations and keep free will out of all this.Origenes
September 23, 2017
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BA @ 33: "Actually, rvb8, you should take evolutionary theory more seriously. You should study up on this. With both you and Sev, your intuition about what the theory ought to say has blinded you to what the theory actually says..." Well said.Truth Will Set You Free
September 23, 2017
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Pindi @ 32: Methinks it is you who is making a fool of himself...and on a regular basis. Natural selection has not been kind to you.Truth Will Set You Free
September 23, 2017
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Pindi:
And unfortunately for you and Barry you are on the losing side.
Joke- seeing that you and yours still don't know how to test the claims of your position it is clear that you have already lost.ET
September 23, 2017
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Note: we could just as well replace Barry with Oog. Except Barry’s brain contains the false idea that knowlege comes from authorative sources, as opposed to tigers like to play and the best way to do, just that, is to play hide and seek. Despite the fact that I’m suggesting something completely different was happening there, in realty, this doesn’t mean there is no knowege! Or to say it another way, being confused about how knowege grows, is not the same as saying there is no knowege. Just as saying we were confused about the motions of objects doesn’t mean we have to rebuild bridges and buildings.critical rationalist
September 23, 2017
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@Barry First, I would again point out that Oog’s behavior is based on knowelge in his brain, not his genome. As you indicated, Oog’s brain could have also contained the knowlege that tigers are dangerous and want to eat you. So, in your scenario, there is nothing about the physical design of his brain that results in it having one idea or another. It’s capable of containing both equally. So, his offspring will have a brain that is capable of containing both ideas equally as well. His behavior is based on an idea that was acquired during his lifetime and stored in his brain, as opposed to due to a variation in his genes during reproduction, or due to HGT, hybridization, etc. As such, his death or survival would not necessarily caused that belief to be passed down to his offspring. Unless that knowege plays a causal role retained by being copied into a storage medium, this does not represent biological Darwinism. Again, this seems to represent a gross, fundamental missunderstanding about the very subject you’re supposedly “teaching” us about. Second, when Newton’s laws of motion were replaced by Einstein’s GR, did we need to rebuild bridges and buildings? No we did not. And we did not despite the fact that GR assumes somelthing completely different is happening there, in reality. (Sound familiar?) Furthermore, while Newton’s laws are false, and therefore cannot be used to build a global posisitioning system (GPS), it is close enough of approximation for use when launching spacecraft. So, Oog’s brain could could also contain a theory that could safely launch himself though space and land back on earth, using a false theory. Even then, we know that quantum mechanics, GR or possibly both, are false because we have no working theory of quantum gravity. Yet, we can use GR to create GPS systems. And they are incomplete, because no theory can explain everything. Again, this reflects the earlier criticism of the idea that knowlege is justified, true belief, because justification is impossible, often contains errors and is incomplete and is independent of anyone’s belief. The same can be said for Oog’s knowege about tigers. Something completely different was happening in reality (as there was in the case of Newton’s laws) as the tiger wanted to eat him, rather than play (which, BTW, is a very vague distinction in the case of tigers who do not “want” anything like we do.) Yet, they are close enough of an approximation to allow him to escape danger. Oog wouldn’t have to change what he does to escape the tiger any more than we have to rebuild bridges and buildings when we found out that Newton’s laws were false. Again, it’s software, not hardware. If you start out with the knowelge that our ideas don’t come from some authorative source and are educated guesses, then you want to criticize them. Had Oog done that, he would have either died or come up with some way to safely test that idea so it could die in his place. Even then, it seems likely that criticism of that idea would have happened without him setting out to do so intentionaly. Who want’s to play the same game over and over again? Who’s to say that Oog always sees the tiger first? What if there are no caves near by or he is sick or injured? Slam goes the wall of reality. Oog would live the same life that the majority of humans lived, with effectively the same brains as we have, for tens of thousands of years. He didn’t make progress because, in your scenario, he didn’t know how. Neither did we. And, apparently, neither do you, if you think we know things because “that’s just what inexplicable mind that exists in some inexpclable realm that operates via some inexplicable means or method, wanted.”critical rationalist
September 23, 2017
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Barry Arrington @ 15:
It does no good to argue with such as he, because he has denied the very basis of reason.
One of the facets in these exchanges that is seldom explored is the plasticity of the human brain (it's ability to "re-wire" itself) and the searability of the conscience (the propensity to increasigly rationalize even destructive behavior if the reward is gratifying). Drug addicts will rationailze their drug use (conscience being seared to avoid facing truth of self-destruction), all the while the brain re-wires itself to require ever more drug potency to get the same "high" (brain plasticity). A similar addiction occurs with pornography and violence. Addicts rationalize they are "desensitized" but the behavior is toward ever more intense consumption. A similar, parallel effect manifests among the more ardent materialists here. They desire to prove their materialism true, so as to a) be admired by fellow materialists and b) avoid acknowledging the consequences if their materialism is false and an "intelligent designer" is true. What started (ostensibly years ago, perhaps in adolesence or young adulthood) as mere derision of "creationists" has devolved into feverish denial and elision of disconfirmational facts and evidence. They have been on that slippery slope of uncritical thinking for so long that their brains have literally adjusted to forgetting past arguments lost and facts irrefuted; their brains have scant recollection of past failures from which to learn. The brain is plastic, and their brains have rewired around memories & methods of analyzing disconfirming facts in favor of rewarding their ego with false victory. Similar to a "high" inducing drug that mandates ever more potent drugs to get "high", the materialists' need for amoral affirmation descends into ever more absurd illogic to achive that feeling of intellectual "victory" (or at least avoid admitting intellectual failure). Their ability to think critically is, at best out of practice, and at worst rusted and frozen. Their rewired uncritical brains are aided and abetted by an increasingly seared conscience that doesn't consider right or wrong, true or false, fact or fantasy, when rationalizing their fight against immaterialism or rather "creationism" (their mental bogey man). Their seared consciences justify winning at all costs, including lying for the cause. In charitable circles this is also known as "noble cause corruption". Yes, the materialists here deny the very basis of reason. They can do no other. They're trapped by years of the plastic brain and malleable conscience "re-learning" in a Pavlovian manner to deny the very basis of reason. They can no longer help themselves.
No, the only way to respond is to point out his idiocy and heap scorn on him. ... If we ignore the fact that he is screamingly stupid and fail to point it out, some might be attracted to his pseudo-intellectual drivel.
Yes. Just like an addiction or self-destruction requires an "intervention", a denial of self-evident facts and the basis for reason requires a "shock" to jar the senses. Heaping scorn is the intellectual equivalent of: (slap, slap, then yelling) "Snap out of it man!!!" And while the "materialist interlocutors" here may be too far gone to recover, it reveals to the onlooker where the slippery slope of uncritical thinking ends. The proof is self-evident in their silence or evasion, deflection, and attempts to change the argument to one they'd rather have, all equally blatant.Charles
September 23, 2017
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True.
I'm sorry. This is an absolutist position. I can't take such a statement seriously. It's a racist social construct. /snarc Andrewasauber
September 23, 2017
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rvb8
Your imaginary survival strategum is flawed, because the motivation is not as powerful . . . Next time, take evolution, and its laws more seriously
The whole point is that the nature and strength of the motivation is irrelevant. Natural selection is blind to mental images. All that counts is behavior. And in the example in the OP, the behavior was identical; therefore fitness was identical. Actually, rvb8, you should take evolutionary theory more seriously. You should study up on this. With both you and Sev, your intuition about what the theory ought to say has blinded you to what the theory actually says -- as attested by literally dozens of theorists.Barry Arrington
September 23, 2017
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TWSYF "They are your adversaries in a very important battle of ideas…and ideas have very real consequences." True. And unfortunately for you and Barry you are on the losing side. Which I guess hurts and is what makes Barry carry on making a fool of himself. Either he seriously believes that a cave man who is so mentally challenged that he believes sabre tooth tigers are playthings will survive long enough to reproduce. Or he can't admit when he is wrong. Those are the only two options. Neither is good for him.Pindi
September 22, 2017
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That’s because we all agree that false beliefs can have survival value – just not as much as true beliefs.
Even the ones you harbor now?mike1962
September 22, 2017
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Barry, Ooog hides because he believes he and the tiger are in a fun game, and he wants to play with his friend? Correct? This behaviour results in his survival? Correct? This behaviour means it is just as sucessful behaviour as the actual reason predated animals survive; that is, to successfully pass on their genes, and a desire to live? Barry, no! Your imaginary survival strategum is flawed, because the motivation is not as powerful as avoiding death, and passing on DNA. Your Ooog's motivation is fun, a lark, a walk in the park etc. Evolutionary motivation is the same motivation you use when you dive behind a car at the sound of gunfire. Your motivational analogy is all wrong, and Ooog's chances at reproduction, (the ultimate driving force of evolution), is just plain weak. Ooog, and his maladpative parents have relied on dumb luck. And in the metaphorical race, that is evolution, they are stuck in the starting blocks. Next time, take evolution, and its laws more seriously, and come up with an analogy that isn't half baked. Smiley face to show I am not, 'red faced', or, 'stamping my foot.' :))rvb8
September 22, 2017
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Origenes @ 13
Seversky: Oog’s belief that the tiger just wants to play leads him to run away and hide, which saves him from being eaten – on that occasion. It will also save him on any subsequent occasion. Until, as I wrote before, he decides that the tiger wants a friendly wrestle. That will end Oog’s line of descent in short order.
Where does Oog’s decision, that the tiger wants a friendly wrestle, come from? Was it a mutation? If so, then Oog is simply unlucky, but that’s all in the (evolutionary) game. Or are you perhaps suggesting that Oog has free will, by which he can override his beliefs? Please don’t simply assume a responsible free rational agent to play a part in the story, because it is the explanandum — it is what needs to be explained. Goodusername does the same thing over and over. Sorry guys, you cannot explain A with A.
This discussion has been about whether false beliefs can nonetheless improve the chances of survival of the individual who holds them and there seems to be general agreement that this could happen. The origin of such beliefs and the question of the extent to which we have free will to act on or ignore them is a fascinating and important question in itself. But it is a separate - albeit related - issue.Seversky
September 22, 2017
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Barry Arrington @ 4
Seversky: “Until, as I wrote before, he decides that the tiger wants a friendly wrestle.” Sure, if you want to make up scenarios in which Oog doesn’t survive, you are welcome to. Why don’t you just say he read Schopenhauer and committed suicide. That would have as much relevance to the scenarios that are actually on the table as your comment does.
Beliefs don't necessarily cause a single pattern of behavior. In Oog's case, his false belief that the tiger is not harmful might cause him to run and hide, which leads to his survival. On another occasion, it might cause him to run up to the tiger with the intention of having a playful wrestle. That will most likely lead to his death. Moog's belief that the tiger is dangerous, on the other hand, will compel him to avoid any contact with the tiger whatsoever. If we compare just a single encounter with the tiger by Oog and Moog then both might survive. Over a long sequence of such encounters, however, Oog is at a much greater risk than Moog of making a fatal misjudgment which puts an end to him and his beliefs. True and false beliefs do not have equal survival value over the long term.
Wow. In my last post I gave this challenge: “If you don’t think what I am saying is true, then cite a paper that argues for the opposite proposition: that truth is always adaptive and falsehood is always maladaptive.” As I mentioned above, last time I got [crickets]
That's because we all agree that false beliefs can have survival value - just not as much as true beliefs.Seversky
September 22, 2017
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wont someone please post the story where some darwinist showed truth was nonadaptive? used a sim, as I recall. might help with the whooshing noises. Hehehehehe.gooshy
September 22, 2017
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It appears that Darwinists are adapted for tap-dancing around basic logic when they encounter it.Florabama
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--I’ve been suspecting that for quite a while – and it’s actually what I’m hoping.-- In your next exchange ask him how unthinking organisms can either plan for the future or determine truth.tribune7
September 22, 2017
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I think Barry is jerking chains and GUN et al are responding as expected.
I've been suspecting that for quite a while - and it's actually what I'm hoping.goodusername
September 22, 2017
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The ONLY way to actually measure relative fitness is to measure relative survival rates. If survival rates are the same, fitness is the same.
Again, those ideas are not instantiated in Oog's genome. As such, when he survives, those ideas will not be inhered to offspring by his genes. Genes play a causal role in being copied into the next generation's genome and not all mutations result in the organism becoming more fit. Oog's ideas about playing with tigers are not genetically inherited. From another thread...
Take a hypothetical island with a hypothetical species of bird. Currently this species nests in May, which is optimal for the islands climate and food supply. However, due to the islands geography, not all nesting areas are equal in that some are significantly farther from food, more exposed to predators, etc. Now, hypothetically, one of these birds is born with a mutation that causes it to nest in April, which is a month earlier. As such, it gets the best nesting location. It also finds a suitable mate and has offspring, which also inherit this same mutation. While being born a month early is a sub optimal for the island's climate and food supply, this is outweighed by the fact that they have the best nesting location. Next season, their offspring also nest earlier, obtain the best nesting locations, etc. This continues until eventually the early nesting mutation has spread throughout the entire population, which has made it less fit as a whole. If a bird is born with a mutation to nest a month later, which would again represent the optimal time, all of the best nesting locations would already be taken. The mutation would not spread thought the population. However, if a bird is born with a mutation to nest yet another month earlier, the process would repeat itself. This would results in the entire population is even less fit. At some point, mutations to nest earlier would eventually prove lethal to offspring. As such, if all things remain equal, there is a minimum level of fitness the entire species would maintain. But, this could still be far from the original fitness the species first exhibited. However, if the climate suddenly changes, such as cold weather last significantly longer in a season, the entire species could go extinct. So, rather than merely being "the survival of the fittest", we say that genes are biological replicators, in that they play a causal role in their own replication by their environment. Furthermore, we include the organism itself as part of the gene's environment. As such, it's the genome itself that becomes better adapted to be replicated by it's environment - even potentially at the expense of the the species becoming less fit as a whole.
However, biological Darwinism falls under the same universal explanation for the growth of knowledge. Specifically, that knowledge grows via variation controlled by criticism of some sort. Knowledge is information that causes itself to be retrained in any storage medium, which includes brains and genomes. The actual contents of our theories, such as the best way to play with tigers, do not come from any authoritative source anymore than the variations of genes in biology come from some authoritative source. So before some "supernatural, non-material" means could allows us to choose between theories, they would need to first be available from some external source so they could be copied into our brains and selected. IOW, that's a "supposed non-material solution" to a problem that doesn't actually exist. Does being "non-material", whatever that means, some how make that irrelevant? Can we somewho choose from the non-existiant contents of theories because "That's just what some designer must have wanted"?critical rationalist
September 22, 2017
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"I hope our Darwinist friends appreciate the education in Darwinism I am giving them. I doubt they do." I doubt they do as well. Also, calling them friends is a stretch, no? I understand that you are trying to maintain a friendly and cooperative manner, but let's be honest. They are not your friends. They are your adversaries in a very important battle of ideas...and ideas have very real consequences. Mike1962 @ 21: Excellent comment.Truth Will Set You Free
September 22, 2017
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C.S Lewis gave an example in Miracles about a little girl who would not eat "horrid red things", that is, red berries, because somewhere along the line she acquired the idea that every red berry in nature is poisonous. Of course, we know that some red berries are poisonous and some are not. The girl's false generalized belief that all red berries are poisonous would undoubtedly keep her alive if she was otherwise tempted to eat poisonous red berries. But her generalized belief is still, at least partially, false. What counts is her behavior, would save her from eating poisonous red berries. This leads to the interesting question of how humans could have developed genuine rational insight when it is so easy to be fooled into a false generalization (induction), even though certain facts that can lead to the induction are true.
It never seemed to occur to [Darwin] that he was sawing off the branch on which his own theory was sitting. -- Barry on the other thread
Indeed. This is the main topic of C.S. Lewis's Miracles. Worth a read by anyone interested in human reason and how it doesn't fit into the naturalistic worldview without destroying its own credentials.mike1962
September 22, 2017
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I think Barry is jerking chains and GUN et al are responding as expected.tribune7
September 22, 2017
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Barry,
GUN: “you will believe that that’s what Natural Selection will typically favor.” That word “typically” gives away the store.
It doesn't save Oog - it dooms him. That you somehow don't see that is, indeed, flummoxing.goodusername
September 22, 2017
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@Barry
BA: Origenes, since knowledge is defined as justified true belief, CR is saying “none of our knowledge is knowledge.” He is saying we don’t know anything. He knows this.
I’m not saying what I said, because you omitted it when you quoted my comment? Apparently, you do think it’s a good strategy, as you just did it again.
By dissolving justificationism itself, the critical rationalist regards knowledge and rationality, reason and science, as neither foundational nor infallible, but nevertheless does not think we must therefore all be relativists. Knowledge and truth still exist, just not in the way we thought.
I couldn’t possibly actually mean that? Furthermore, your argument is no less parochial now than it was in the earlier thread.
CR: IOW, your whole argument hinges on a very specific idea about truth. Specificity, the true belief theory of knowledge. You do realize this, don’t you? It seems you’re either ignorant of the philosophical assumptions your argument entails, or your deliberately omitted them because your preaching to the choir. Either way, it’s a parochial argument, in that it is limited in scope.
So, let me fix that for you...
Origenes, if knowledge is defined as justified true belief, CR is saying “none of our knowledge is knowledge.”
However, my criticisms are in respect to that very definition. And you haven’t acknowledged, let along addressed any of them. It’s not that I think there is no knowledge, but that knowledge isn’t justified, true belief because that idea has not withstood critism. So, I think the definition is wrong. And that mistaken definition is a key part of why people do not accept Darwinism. Furthermore, in presenting this false dichotomy, it’s you who is promoting nihilism. You’re holding knowledge hostage unless we accept your philosophical and theological ideas. @origenes Note that Barry is saying that knowlege is justified, true belief. However, it’s unclear how he knows this as this would itself be knowelge. Is this ida also justified? If so, how? Or is he merely arguing by definition?critical rationalist
September 22, 2017
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CR: And despite, the fact that theories are not out there for us to observe in the first place, “responsible free rationality” lets us obtain them? How does that work, exactly?
See, for instance, the Manhattan Project. Here you can see how a group of responsible free rational agents manage to obtain knowledge/theory about the atomic bomb. There are striking differences between a blind search and search conducted by responsible free rational agents — such as specifying a target, pattern-seeking, pattern-inventing and much more.Origenes
September 22, 2017
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@origenes I’m referring to the epistemological idea that knowlege is justified, true belief. See this video for more details. And despite, the fact that theories are not out there for us to observe in the first place, “responsible free rationality” lets us obtain them? How does that work, exactly?critical rationalist
September 22, 2017
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CR: "None of our knowledge is true justified belief." Origenes: "I do not know what this means." Origenes, since knowledge is defined as justified true belief, CR is saying "none of our knowledge is knowledge." He is saying we don't know anything. He knows this. If that sounds stupid, it is because it is. It does no good to argue with such as he, because he has denied the very basis of reason. No, the only way to respond is to point out his idiocy and heap scorn on him. The scorn heaping part is especially important. If we ignore the fact that he is screamingly stupid and fail to point it out, some might be attracted to his pseudo-intellectual drivel. The nihilism at the foundation of his worldview is extremely dangerous.Barry Arrington
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Critical Rationalist attempts to justify his belief in non-justification. Idiot. Pindi: “All I was doing was pointing out that your Oog example didn’t make sense.” You’re inability to understand the example is not the same as the example not making sense. GUN: “you will believe that that’s what Natural Selection will typically favor.” That word “typically” gives away the store. rvb8 gets red in the face, stamps his foot, and ignores the thrust of the example – that identical actions (hiding) result in identical survival rates and thus identical fitness.Barry Arrington
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