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Hyperskepticism: The Wrong Side Of A Continuum

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Philosophers and scientists who know their business recognize that any attempt to seek knowledge presupposes the existence of a rational universe ripe for investigating. The fact that we even bother to make the effort says something about our nature. As Aristotle says, “all men by nature want to know.” That is why the discovery of a new fact or truth can be a joy for its own sake. To be sure, knowledge also provides practical benefits, empowering us to pursue a self-directed life style, but it also edifies us, leading us on the road to self-actualization. To be intellectually healthy is to be curious.

On the other hand, we can, by virtue of our free will, act against our natural desire to know. For better or worse, there are some truths that many of us would prefer not to know about. The compelling nature of an objective fact can pull us in one direction while the force of our personal desires can pull us in the opposite direction. When this happens, a choice must be made. “Either the thinker conforms desire to truth or he conforms truth to desire.”–E. Michael Jones

Because we experience this ambivalence about the truth, we must be on guard against two errors: (a) talking ourselves out of things that we should believe [hyperskepticism] or (b) talking ourselves into things that we should not believe [gullibility]. Hyperskeptics attempt to justify the first error by calling attention to the second error, as if there was no reasonable alternative to either extreme. On the contrary, the ideal solution is to seek a rational midpoint –to balance a healthy skepticism about unconfirmed truth claims with a healthy confidence in truths already known. The one thing a thinker should not do is be skeptical or open-minded about the first principles of right reason, without which there is no standard for investigating or discoursing about anything “Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”– G. K. Chesterton

In the spirit of public service, then, I present this little test for analyzing our readers’ proclivity for hyperskepticism. Hopefully, those who indulge will not find any predictable patterns, since I strove to keep them at a minimum.

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[1] Can we know anything about the real world?

In asking this question, I am probing for your orientation on the matter of external facts with respect to our internal experience. Can we really know if such a thing as a tree exists, or is it the case that we simply experience mental representations of something that may not be a tree at all? [Reminiscent of Kant’s hyperskepticism]

[2] If the answer to [1] is no, is it, under those circumstances, possible to conduct rational investigations or participate in rational discourse?

If I can feel the experience of something that seems like a tree, without knowing that it is a tree, or if I am just using words to describe my experience, can I use my reason to draw other meaningful conclusions about the world? In other words, can I, absent a knowable external reality, reason not just validly [with internal consistency] but also soundly [align my understanding with the truth of things]?

True or False

[3] The law of non-contradiction [a thing cannot be and not be at the same time] is not a self-evident truth.

Inasmuch as scientific progress has demonstrated that Aristotle was wrong about the four basic elements of the earth, it is not unreasonable to suggest that he was also wrong about his so-called laws of logic.

[4] The law of causality is a self-evident truth.

I can accept this proposition unconditionally, not only as a second law of logic, but also as an intellectual companion to the first law of logic? Put another way, if a thing cannot be and not be at the same time, that fact influences or informs the law that nothing can come into existence without a cause. There is a logical connection between the claim that Jupiter cannot both exist and not exist and the claim that it cannot come into existence without a cause?

[5] Our knowledge of the real world is reliable but imperfect.

We may not know everything there is to know about a tree, but we do know that something is there that we call a tree and that it is more than just a collection of parts–something that exhibits “treeness.”

[6] A finite whole can be less than any one of its parts.

A crankcase can, in some cases, be greater than the automobile of which it is a part.

[7] The universe is ordered.

Material objects move in such a way as to indicate some kind of function or purpose.

[8] The universe may be ordered to a purpose, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it needed an intelligence to do the ordering or establish the purpose.

Purpose can exist without intelligence.

[9] The universe is, indeed, ordered, but that doesn’t mean that its order is synchronized with our mind’s logic.

The mind’s logic [if it’s raining, the streets will get wet] may be inconsistent with the order of the universe [If it’s raining, the streets may not necessarily get wet.] The proposition that there is an unfailing correspondence between the logic our rational minds and ordering of the rational universe is something that should be demonstrated through evidence and cannot be reasonably accepted as a “self-evident truth.”

[10] There can be more than one truth?

Each specialized branch of knowledge can have its own brand of truth, and that truth may well be incompatible with truths found in other specialized areas.

[11] In some cases, a cause can give more than it has to give.

Something can come to exist in the effect that was not first present in the cause. It may well be, for example, that an immaterial mind could emerge from matter even though matter has no raw materials containing anything like immaterial mental substances.

12-20, Yes, No, or I don’t know.

[12] Does truth exist?

Is truth absolute, not relative–objective, not subjective–universal, not contextual–and indivisible, not many?

[13] Is there such a thing as the natural moral law?

Is there an objective standard of right and wrong that we [humans] did not invent [or socially construct] and to which we are morally obliged to follow in spite of our personal preferences or in spite of public opinion?

[14] Does the human conscience exist?

Do we, as humans, possess some kind of inborn instinct that makes us feel bad about ourselves when we do something wrong and feel good about ourselves when we do something right. Can that same conscience be habitually silenced and ignored to the point at which it stops sending signals?

[15] Is design detectable?

Can we discern the presence of intelligence from the biological and cosmological patterns found in nature? Can we discover the presence of intelligence from patterns found in human artifacts even if we know nothing about the history of those artifacts? Can minds detect the activity of other minds?

[16] Does God exist?

Is there a personal, omniscient, omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God who created the universe and all the creatures that inhabit it?

[17] Is God organic with the universe?

Could God and the universe be one and the same thing?

[18] Can matter investigate itself?

In order for a scientist or a philosopher to investigate the universe or the world, must he exist as a substance of a different kind than the object of his study? Are two such realms of existence really necessary, or can the relationship between the investigator and the object of investigation be explained from a monistic framework.

[19] Evidence can speak for itself; it need not be interpreted by or mediated through the rules of right reason.

Science can stand alone. It needs no metaphysical foundations in order to be rational.

[20] Ask yourself this question: Do I have free will?

Do I have something to say about my fate? Can I say that I could have made choices other than the ones that I did make, or that I could have created outcomes different than the ones I did create? Do I have the power to act contrary to my nature, predisposition, desires, and appetites?

True/ False

[21] If the ordered universe is synchronized with the laws of logic, it could be a coincidence.

Even if we do have “rational” minds, and even if they do correspond to a “rational universe,” there is no reason to suggeset that it had to be set up by something or someone. It could just be that way.

[22] Theistic Darwinism is a reasonable hypothesis.

A purposeful, mindful God may well have used a purposeless, mindless process to create humans.

[23] A universe can come into existence without a cause.

Not all effects require causes. Further, some things that are often characterized as effects, such as our universe, may not really be effects at all. Even if it does, itself, act as a cause, the physical universe could be, but need not be, the result of a prior cause.

[24] Unguided evolution is a reasonable hypothesis.

There is no reason to believe that humans could not emerge as a lucky accident from solely naturalistic forces.

[25] Cause and effect can occur without a first cause.

Granted, a cause/effect chain exists in nature, but that fact alone does not compel us to posit that only a first cause or causeless cause can explain

Comments
Stephenb I can see that this is a neat summary of your beliefs but I don't see that it has much to do with scepticism. It is easy to list your beliefs and then claim that anyone who disagrees is being excessively sceptical. It depends on why the other person disagrees with you. (A) If the counter argument is "You believe X and I don't see why it is necessarily true." Then taht is a sceptical position (although it may be a valid) (B) If it is "You believe X but I have a different belief Y for these reasons" then that is a positive belief and I don't see that it counts as scepticism. Your questionnaire leaves no scope for the respondent to explain which is their position. For example, take [16] Does God Exist. If someone says "I don't belief it - where's the evidence?" that is sceptical (although in my opinion a valid point). If someone says "I believe there is no God. There has been numerous attempts to try and define what God is and then prove its existence. They have all failed." then that is not scepticism.markf
October 12, 2010
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Oops = the preceding remark was re 17 on theistic evolution. On 18, you are still not getting my point - you don't even seem to be trying to address it. I'll grant the principle "nothing is in the effect that wasn't in the cause." What I am saying is that there is no way to determine if in fact something was "in the cause" than to look and see if it was in fact caused. The principle gives a guiding faith that we can find causes, but it doesn't help us figure out any anything about any particular situationAleta
October 12, 2010
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re 18: if you think theistic evolutionist and theistic darwinist are the same, then you have inaccurately described that position in question 22. A theistic evolutionist is one who believes that ultimately all that happens reflects God's will, and that what appears as chance (or contingency) to us is not chance to God. Christians believe that God guides the events of their daily life in such a manner - that even if things appear "lucky" to us they were meant to be that way by God. The same attitude provides to everything that happens, or has happened, since the beginning of time.Aleta
October 12, 2010
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It also helps us to know when someone is trying to con us, as was evident on Larry King the other evening when a couple of misguided physicists tried to argue that our universe could have created itself.
If causality is an empirical relationship, it is not irrational to argue that our universe created itself. The merit of that argument would depend upon the empirical evidence for the claim.Pedant
October 12, 2010
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Why can’t one search for causes in nature without believing in a law of causality? Is causality a logical relationship or an empirical one?Pedant
October 12, 2010
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somewhat off topic: Here is a collection of the top critiques against Hawking's new book: Not-so Grand Design roundup http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2010/10/not-so-grand-design-roundup.htmlbornagain77
October 12, 2010
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---Aleta: "That is, the principle may be true in theory but it is useless in practice. It doesn’t help us figure anything out – it just adds a meaningless bit of philosophy to an observed fact." [Law of causality] You think that the law of cause and effect is useless? It helps us "figure out" everything in science that we figure out. It also helps us to know when someone is trying to con us, as was evident on Larry King the other evening when a couple of misguided physicists tried to argue that our universe could have created itself. Both hyperskeptics were advancing an irrational argument precisely because they were hyperskeptics. Do you understand why their argument [was] is irrational?StephenB
October 11, 2010
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---Aleta: "Also, Stephen, I noticed that you used theistic darwinist rather than theistic evolutionists, but I have never known anyone to distinguish between the two terms." I think the term "Theistic Darwinist" is more accurate. Yes, I have heard others insist on the distinction. ---"Do you know anyone at all who is a theistic darwinist as opposed to a theistic evolutionist?" Define "theistic evolutionst."StephenB
October 11, 2010
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Stephen: No. An act of free will is caused by the self. True, but does anything cause the particular choice the self makes? That is, is there any antecedent chain of causes passing through the self, so to speak, or does the self initiate a new chain of causes which then merge with the material chain of causes with which the self interacts? That is, can ask "what caused me to make this freely willed choice?", or is the very question an oxymoronAleta
October 11, 2010
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No Stephen - you are not understanding my point. I an not disagreeing with the principle than something can not be in the effect if it wasn't in the cause. I accept that. What I am arguing is that there is really no way - or at least you haven't provided one in the discussions we have had - to determine if the effect was in the cause other than looking to see if the effect follows the cause. That's what circular. That is, the principle may be true in theory but it is useless in practice. It doesn't help us figure anything out - it just adds a meaningless bit of philosophy to an observed fact. For instance, if we have a whole bunch of hydrgen and helium molecules floating around that later condense into a star under the force of gravity, and then later oxygen molecules are formed in the star and still later that oxygen is flung out into space when the star comes to the end of its life, then we can say that oxygen is potentially present in the original mass of hydrogen and helium molecules. How do we know? Because it happened. Does it add anything to say "the effect must have been present in the cause"? No.Aleta
October 11, 2010
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---"Do you agree that acts of free will do act as uncaused causes in this local sense (although obviously not in the global sense that God is the ultimate first cause.)?" No. An act of free will is caused by the self.StephenB
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--Aleta: "I have twice, I think, discussed this with you, in particular wanting to know how ones knows whether “something was in the cause or not” without just looking to see if it was there – what criteria do you in looking at the original things to decide what it is or isn’t capable of producing. Your answers have always just been circular, without answering the question." No, my answers have not been circular. You continue to misunderstand the principles involved. One cannot "determine" in any given case whether something in the effect was or was not first in the cause any more than one can determine if Jupiter can exist and not exist at the same time. One must aleady know, in principle, that nothing can be in the effect that was not first in the cause, just as one must know, in principle, that a thing cannot be and not be at the same time. You don't reason TO the law of causality, you reason FROM it. It is the starting point from which you determine other things. We are talking about a fundamental law of science that you, as a hyperskeptic, do not accept. ---This question (11) is not a useful indicator of anything. Oh, but it is. It shows that you accept, in principle, that something can be in the effect that was not first in the cause, a circumstance that would violate the law of causality and, given your acceptance of that possibility, confirm your status as a hyperskeptic.StephenB
October 11, 2010
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Also, Stephen, I noticed that you used theistic darwinist rather than theistic evolutionists, but I have never known anyone to distinguish between the two terms. Do you know anyone at all who is a theistic darwinist as opposed to a theistic evolutionist?Aleta
October 11, 2010
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Stephen, perhaps it would be helpful if you stated the law of causality in a way that took into account the exercise of free will.Aleta
October 11, 2010
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Stephen: "I have been very clear with my argument that acts of free will do not violate the law of causality." Agreed - looking back, you did not put it that way. At the end of the Fibonacci thread, you wrote,
Aleta: I think the term first cause, or uncaused cause can be misleading in some contexts. For example, when we refer to God as the uncaused cause, or first cause, we are paying tribute to the fact that nothing at all preceded him or caused his existence. That is the way I am using the term. There is, however, another way to use that term, that is, we can refer to “a” first cause as opposed to “the” first cause, when discussing those things that humans can do after having been given the power to be a causal agent. When Geisler speaks of the exercise of the will as the first cause of our actions, I would argue that he is not speaking of “the” first cause but rather “a” first cause. He is saying that humans are doing something that God would not necessarily have done.
I took this (in the context of the rest of that discussion) to mean that acts of human free will are not caused by anything preceding them, and I wrote a post describing how every act of free will inserts a new local first cause into the chain of material causes flowing by. Do you agree that acts of free will do act as uncaused causes in this local sense (although obviously not in the global sense that God is the ultimate first cause.)?Aleta
October 11, 2010
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---Aleta: "That us not what theistic evolutionists believe." I didn't use the word "Theistic evolutions," I used the word, "Theistic Darwininist." A Theist, insofar as he is an evolutionst, believes that God either programmed or guided the process; a Darwinist is someone who believes that the process was undirected. Therefore, a Theistic Darwinist is someone who believes that God directed the evolutionary process, except that he didn't.StephenB
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---Aleta: "For the record, I believe you and others agreed that acts of free will violate this law." I have been very clear with my argument that acts of free will do not violate the law of causality.StephenB
October 11, 2010
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And one last response: last time Stephen did this, I and few others answered "I don't know - outside the scope of the ability of humans to know" to the questions about God, absolute moral law, and others. Stephen scored these as points for hyperskepticism, which I think betrays his bias. I think that such views as mine are good, reasonable middle-of-the-road skepticism.Aleta
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[7] The universe is ordered. Material objects move in such a way as to indicate some kind of function or purpose.
Is that what you mean by ordered? And what do you mean by "purpose" here. The basic constituent parts of the universe have an inviolable nature such that they interact consistently with other parts so as to produce ordered entities: think gases coming together to form a star. But they don't do so for any purpose, and I'm not sure you could say that they function to do so. So I don't think that your description of "ordered" is what is general meant here.Aleta
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[4] The law of causality is a self-evident truth.
For the record, I believe you and others agreed that acts of free will violate this law.Aleta
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[11] In some cases, a cause can give more than it has to give. Something can come to exist in the effect that was not first present in the cause. It may well be, for example, that an immaterial mind could emerge from matter even though matter has no raw materials containing anything like immaterial mental substances.
I have twice, I think, discussed this with you, in particular wanting to know how ones knows whether "something was in the cause or not" without just looking to see if it was there - what criteria do you in looking at the original things to decide what it is or isn't capable of producing. Your answers have always just been circular, without answering the question. This question (11) is not a useful indicator of anything.Aleta
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[22] Theistic Darwinism is a reasonable hypothesis. A purposeful, mindful God may well have used a purposeless, mindless process to create humans. That us not what theistic evolutionists believe. It doesn't make for a very good questionnaire if your descriptions don't accurately describe the questions.
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October 11, 2010
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Very interesting points. Thank you Stephen.Collin
October 11, 2010
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