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Let’s read the Nature abstract:


Nature (2019) Article | Published: 15 May 2019

Total synthesis of Escherichia coli with a recoded genome
Julius Fredens, Kaihang Wang, Daniel de la Torre, Louise F. H. Funke, Wesley E. Robertson, Yonka Christova, Tiongsun Chia, Wolfgang H. Schmied, Daniel L. Dunkelmann, Václav Beránek, Chayasith Uttamapinant, Andres Gonzalez Llamazares, Thomas S. Elliott & Jason W. Chin
Abstract
Nature uses 64 codons to encode the synthesis of proteins from the genome, and chooses 1 sense codon—out of up to 6 synonyms—to encode each amino acid. Synonymous codon choice has diverse and important roles, and many synonymous substitutions are detrimental. Here we demonstrate that the number of codons used to encode the canonical amino acids can be reduced, through the genome-wide substitution of target codons by defined synonyms. We create a variant of Escherichia coli with a four-megabase synthetic genome through a high-fidelity convergent total synthesis. Our synthetic genome implements a defined recoding and refactoring scheme—with simple corrections at just seven positions—to replace every known occurrence of two sense codons and a stop codon in the genome. Thus, we recode 18,214 codons to create an organism with a 61-codon genome; this organism uses 59 codons to encode the 20 amino acids, and enables the deletion of a previously essential transfer RNA. [Cited, per fair use doctrine for academic, non commercial purposes.]

Let us refresh memory on the genetic code:

The Genetic code uses three-letter codons to specify the sequence of AA’s in proteins and specifying start/stop, and using six bits per AA

And on the DNA:

The DNA Helix with GCAT (HT: Research Gate, fair use)

Then also, protein synthesis:

Protein Synthesis (HT: Wiki Media)

Phys dot org gives some context:

A team of researchers at Cambridge University has replaced the genes of E. coli bacteria with genomes they synthesized in the lab. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the group describes replacing the genome and removing redundant genetic codes [–> three letter 4-state elements have 64 possibilities but only 20 are needed for typical protein AA’s, AUG codes for an AA and serves as START, there are three STOP codons] . . . . In this new effort, the researchers had two goals: The first was to synthesize the genome of an E. coli bacterium in their lab—all four million letters of it. The second was to find out what would happen to such a specimen if some of its DNA redundancies were removed . . . .

The researchers report that it took longer for the special bacterial specimen to grow, but other than that, it behaved just like unedited specimens. They suggest that in future efforts, it might be possible to replace the redundancies they removed with other sequences to create bacteria with special abilities, such as making new types of biopolymers not found in nature.

In short, they confirmed that the choice of “synonym” has a regulatory effect.

Where are we today, then?

First, we have definitive demonstration of the intelligent design of a genome. Yes, they obviously have not created a de novo cell body (a much more difficult task), but we see that intelligent design of life here definitively passes the Newton test of observed actual cause. Further, we see that DNA functions as an information system in the cell, supporting the significance of this conceptual representation, based on Yockey’s work:

I add: Let’s zoom in on Yockey’s contribution, on the code-communication system as applied to protein synthesis, which underscores the linguistic nature of what is involved:

Yockey’s analysis of protein synthesis as a code-based communication process

Where, Crick understood this from the beginning in 1953, witness p. 5 of his letter to his son Michael, March 19, 1953:

Crick’s letter

At this stage, we definitively know that using nanotech molecular biology and linked computational techniques it is feasible to construct a genome based on intelligently directed configuration. AKA, design.

Therefore, intelligent design, as of right not sufferance, sits at the table for study on origin of life and of body plans.

Where, we separately know on configuration space search challenge, that it is maximally implausible to construct in excess of 500 – 1,000 bits of functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information. As a reminder:

We are now in a different ball game completely: Intelligent Design of life is demonstrated to be feasible and actual in the here and now, as of this investigation. Therefore, as of right, it is a serious candidate to explain what we see in the world of life; especially as regards origin of cell based life and origin of main body plans.

Going forward, we are now a full-fledged independent school of thought. END

PS: James Tour on the Mystery of Life’s Origin, challenging the usual OoL claims, focus from c. 8:30 on:

PPS: It seems we need to understand that there are such things as DNA Synthesisers. Here, is a sample, the “Dr Oligo”:

Biocyclopedia lays out the architecture:

Clipping the explanation:

Recently, fully automated commercial instrument called automated polynucleotide synthesizer or gene machine is available in market which synthesizes predetermined polynucleotide sequence. Therefore, the genes can be synthesized rapidly and in high amount. For example, a gene for tRNA can be synthesized within a few days through gene machine. It automatically synthesizes the short segments of single stranded DNA under the control of microprocessor. The working principle of a gene machine includes (i) development of insoluble silica based support in the form of beads which provides support for solid phase synthesis of DNA chain, and (ii) development of stable deoxyribonucleoside phosphoramidites as synthons which are stable to oxidation and hydrolysis, and ideal for DNA synthesis.

The mechanism of a gene machine is shown in Fig. 2.14 [–> above]. Four separate reservoirs containing nucleotides (A,T,C and G) are connected with a tube to a cylinder (synthesizer column) packed with small silica beads. These beads provide support for assembly of DNA molecules. Reservoirs for reagent and solvent are also attached. The whole procedure of adding or removing the chemicals from the reagent reservoir in time is controlled by microcomputer control system i.e. microprocessor . . . .

The desired sequence is entered on a key board and the microprocessor automatically opens the valve of nucleotide reservoir, and chemical and solvent reservoir. In the gene machine the nucleotides are added into a polynucleotide chain at the rate of two nucleotides per hour. By feeding the instructions of human insulin gene in gene machine, human insulin has been synthesized.

As in, molecular nanotech lab in action.

PPPS: As objectors have raised the claimed logical, inductive inference that designing intelligences are embodied (which we can safely hold, implicitly “lives” in the context of the presumed, evolutionary materialistic account of origins — of cosmos, matter, life, body plans, man, brains and minds), I first link a discussion of how this undermines rationality, by Craig:

I also put on the table the Smith, two-tier supervisory controller bio-cybernetic model, as a context to discuss embodiment, intelligence and computational substrates, first in simplified form:

The Derek Smith two-tier controller cybernetic model

Then, in more full detail:

This then leads to the gap between computation on a substrate and rational contemplation. That is, Reppert’s point holds:

. . . let us suppose that brain state A [–> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [–> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so] we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.

Comments
KF@223, that is a lot of words that do absolutely nothing to address my comment at 222. Let’s try again. 1) All confirmed examples of design are the result of an intelligent being (humans). From this you consider it a strong and valid inference to conclude that life is also the result of an intelligent being. Let’s call him God for the lack of a better word. 2) All confirmed designers are known to be embodied entities. From this you do not consider it a valid interference to conclude that all designers are embodied beings. Why is inference one a valid one and inference two is not?Brother Brian
May 26, 2019
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BB, There is a reason why GIGO is a famous computer acronym: garbage in, garbage out. That is, a computational substrate is a blind, non-rational, machine entity, driven and controlled by mechanical necessity and/or chance, filtered through how it happens to be organised and programmed to react to inputs and/or stored information. As a result it will blindly output the result of the dynamics at work, leading to GIGO. In short, it is inherently incapable of the rational freedom and reflective insight required for reasoning, as Reppert so pointedly highlighted. That holds for digital computers, analogue ones, neural networks and more. The machine neither knows nor cares what it does, it is the designer, programmer and user who care. Therefore, we face a dilemma i/l/o our reflexivity: either our rationality and responsible freedom are real and we are living examples of mind beyond matter, or we are captive to a grand delusion bringing our rationality crashing to the ground. In which case, reasoned discussions are delusional, all reduces to manipulation. In short, nihilist absurdity and chaos . . . which, unfortunately, seems to explain all too well the motives and behaviour patterns of far too many of those who dominate policy, politics, media, education, the arts, culture, business, finance, government and law. Which, is part of why I have serious doubts about the sustainability of our civilisation i/l/o current trends. Alex Rosenberg sums up the materialistic view from the inside:
Alex Rosenberg as he begins Ch 9 of his The Atheist’s Guide to Reality: >> FOR SOLID EVOLUTIONARY REASONS, WE’VE BEEN tricked into looking at life from the inside. Without scientism, we look at life from the inside, from the first-person POV (OMG, you don’t know what a POV is?—a “point of view”). The first person is the subject, the audience, the viewer of subjective experience, the self in the mind. Scientism shows that the first-person POV is an illusion. [–> grand delusion is let loose in utter self referential incoherence] Even after scientism convinces us, we’ll continue to stick with the first person. But at least we’ll know that it’s another illusion of introspection and we’ll stop taking it seriously. We’ll give up all the answers to the persistent questions about free will, the self, the soul, and the meaning of life that the illusion generates [–> bye bye to responsible, rational freedom on these presuppositions]. The physical facts fix all the facts. [--> asserts materialism, leading to . . . ] The mind is the brain. It has to be physical and it can’t be anything else, since thinking, feeling, and perceiving are physical process—in particular, input/output processes—going on in the brain. We [–> at this point, what "we," apart from "we delusions"?] can be sure of a great deal about how the brain works because the physical facts fix all the facts about the brain. The fact that the mind is the brain guarantees that there is no free will. It rules out any purposes or designs organizing our actions or our lives [–> thus rational thought and responsible freedom]. It excludes the very possibility of enduring persons, selves, or souls that exist after death or for that matter while we live.>>
In short, evolutionary materialistic scientism is self-referentially absurd and necessarily self-falsifying, thus its current domination of thought and cultural agenda is ruinous. We need to start thinking afresh, from different premises that leave room for responsible, rational freedom, AND for our brains and CNS's to be reasonably credible. For, though he meant to only use it to attack abstract thought that runs counter to his evolutionism, Darwin was right in his monkey brains remark in his famous letter to William Graham:
. . . But then with me the horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind, which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind? [To William Graham 3 July 1881]
Haldane made much the same point in a famous 1932 remark:
"It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter.” ["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209. (NB: DI Fellow, Nancy Pearcey brings this right up to date (HT: ENV) in a current book, Finding Truth.)]
Just to hammer the point home, here is Martin Cothran at ENV:
The materialist, said Chesterton, "is not allowed to admit into his spotless machine the slightest speck of spiritualism or miracle." Materialists like Harris keep asking why we make the decisions we do, and what explanation there could be other than the physiological. The answer, of course, is the psychological, the philosophical, the whimsical, and about a thousand others. But these violate the central tenets of his narrow dogma, and so are automatically rejected. There is something ironic about the position of thinkers like Harris on issues like this: they claim that their position is the result of the irresistible necessity of logic (in fact, they pride themselves on their logic). Their belief is the consequent, in a ground/consequent relation between their evidence and their conclusion. But their very stated position is that any mental state -- including their position on this issue -- is the effect of a physical, not logical cause. By their own logic, it isn't logic that demands their assent to the claim that free will is an illusion, but the prior chemical state of their brains. The only condition under which we could possibly find their argument convincing is if they are not true. The claim that free will is an illusion requires the possibility that minds have the freedom to assent to a logical argument, a freedom denied by the claim itself. It is an assent that must, in order to remain logical and not physiological, presume a perspective outside the physical order. And this is not only a mortal consequence for Harris as the one trying to prove his point, it is also problematic from the reader's perspective: If we are convinced by Harris's logic, we would have to consider this conviction as something determined not by the rational strength of his logic, but by the entirely irrational arrangement of the chemicals in our brains. They might, as Harris would have to say, coincide, but their relation would be completely arbitrary. If prior physical states are all that determine our beliefs, any one physical state is no more rational than any other. It isn't rational or irrational, it just is. If what Harris says is true, then our assent to what we view as the rational strength of his position may appear to us to involve our choice to assent or not to assent to his ostensibly rational argument, but (again, if it is true) in truth it cannot be any such thing, since we do not have that choice -- or any other. Indeed, it is hard to see how, if free will is an illusion, we could ever know it. ["The Medial Pre-Frontal Cortex Did It: Sam Harris's Free Will" by Martin Cothran at ENV (echoing C S Lewis and J B S Haldane etc) on November 9, 2012, HT the too often underestimated BA77, cf. here.]
Clearly, reductio ad absurdum. We must turn to another, more promising approach. Where to begin? For one, we undeniably know that we are duty-bound to certain core duties of rational responsible freedom, indeed your own argument pivots on expecting us to be bound by these duties. That is to say, our inescapable duties to truth, to right reason, to sound conscience and to prudence, to fairness and justice, etc. Closely linked, we must see that we are in fact self-aware, conscious, reflective, self-moving, significantly free creatures and that these attributes cannot be on the whole grand delusion. Therefore, the computational substrate programmed by incremental blind chance and/or mechanical necessity through random variation (in the 47 or however many flavours) and differential reproductive success view of our rational life, decisively fails. In its place, we can consider the Eng. Derek Smith model of a two-tier controller, bio-cybernetic entity. That is, the brain and CNS are in-the-loop i/o elements, info stores etc in a cybernetic loop. However, they are also interfaced to a higher order controller that is supervisory. A suggested means of interface is quantum state influence, with heavy informational character. This opens up room for seeing another dimension that interacts with the material, the mental domain. We may then follow up on the import of our conscience-borne testimony: we are under a law of our nature: to the duties of rationality. We are morally governed, starting with our rationality. Thus, we face the notorious IS-OUGHT gap and Hume's point that implies that such can only be bridged in the root of reality. That is, we need a necessary being world-root entity that is inherently good, so adequately rooting both the order of being and the order of duty. Where, BTW, a necessary being cannot be a composite entity assembled from separately existing component parts. Such a being is inherently composite and contingent; it cannot be necessary. A necessary being is required as causally independent of other things [= non-contingent] and framework to a world coming into being and being sustained. Recall, were there ever utter non-being, as such is without causal powers, non-being would forever obtain. As a world is, something always was, a necessary being world root. We have already had the long exchanges on why an infinite causal-temporal succession of the contingent is not a credible world root, as it involves the supertask of spanning the transfinite to reach to a finite span from now. We need a finitely remote, necessary (and so non-composite) being world root with power and wisdom to build a cosmos, also being inherently good to root a domain of responsible, rational, significantly free creatures. It is unfashionable to say or write such things today, but that does not undermine their force. Especially as we see the alternative, the nihilistic chaos and absurdity of the evolutionary materialistic scientism worldview. It is self-refuting by reduction to absurdity. Let us go on. Further to the above, after centuries of worldview level debates, there is precisely one candidate to be that world root: the inherently good, utterly wise, powerful creator God, a necessary and maximally great being. One, worthy of our loyalty and of the reasonable, responsible service of doing the good that accords with our evident nature. So, by taking the reality of responsible, rational, significantly free embodied designers seriously, we can see good reason to hold that the rationality itself implies that the materialistic world picture fails. Fails, as we cannot reduce mind to GIGO-limited blind computation on a material substrate. And even that substrate is not credibly the result of blind forces organising and programming it. The dominant ideology of our day is absurd, we need to turn to a view that comports with the manifest facts of responsible rational freedom. Ironically, we do not here have an inference TO designer but an inference FROM ourselves as embodied, brain-using creatures who are designers. In short, your argument above runs back ways and fails to address the absurdities of attempted materialistic models of mind. KFkairosfocus
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KF
The assumption that designers we observe are “material” beings, is seriously problematic. First, as there is no good reason to infer that all designers can only be embodied entities...
1) All confirmed examples of design are the result of an intelligent being (humans). From this you consider it a strong and valid inference to conclude that life is also the result of an intelligent being. Let’s call him God for the lack of a better word. 2) All confirmed designers are known to be embodied entities. From this you do not consider it a valid interference to conclude that all designers are embodied beings. I agree that one of these inferences is stronger than the other. One compares apples and apples. One compares apples and dragon fruit. Your claim that your inference is valid and mine is not is just not speaking with regard to truth.Brother Brian
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KF,
So, again, on pain of grand delusion, we have no good reason to infer that for instance we are wholly material creatures such that matter and its organisation account for our rational powers including those that allow us to be designers. The materialistic ideological assumption fails again.
FTR, I do not infer we are wholly material beings. Just that we have a material component. And I have never encountered a wholly immaterial being designing or building anything.daveS
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F/N: The assumption that designers we observe are "material" beings, is seriously problematic. First, as there is no good reason to infer that all designers can only be embodied entities (and the fine tuning issue is a good excample there). Second, it is easy to show that a computational substrate processes information per mechanical necessity, programming and organisation, and/or blind chance, this does not have the characteristics required for rational inference. So, again, on pain of grand delusion, we have no good reason to infer that for instance we are wholly material creatures such that matter and its organisation account for our rational powers including those that allow us to be designers. The materialistic ideological assumption fails again. KF PS: A reminder, from Reppert:
. . . let us suppose that brain state A [--> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [--> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so] we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.
kairosfocus
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BB, yet more strawmen; here an utterly inapt claimed analogy. Cosmological fine tuning is a serious issue, highlighted originally by Hoyle on seeing an issue as to why C and O have the abundance they do, leading to finding the resonance responsible. Further, there is the problem of the unjustified default, i/l/o empirically linked reasoning. That is precisely why Newton highlighted the four rules of reasoning. In that context, the case reported in the OP shows that intelligent design of a genome is feasible. On trillions of test cases, FSCO/I is a reliable sign of design, one backed by the linked search challenge. Where, there are precisely zero observed cases of such FSCO/I coming about by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. So the imposition of a presumption that what faces a search challenge barrier and has never been observed to achieve an effect is to be preferred is a mark of Lewontin's question-begging ideological imposition, not cogent empirically grounded reasoning. That's what ET has repeatedly pointed out. KF PS: Luke Barnes' review on cosmological fine tuning here may be helpful. I note, again, that a design inference [i.e. to a causal factor] at cosmological level is not the same as inference to God as designer. The logic of being, addressing root of a world with morally governed creatures is a different argument from a different discipline -- ontology etc -- and it does point to the need for a necessary being world root that is inherently good in the moral sense, on pain of our rationality falling under grand delusion. That is not a design inference type of argument.kairosfocus
May 25, 2019
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DaveS
When I can determine conclusively that something has been designed, the designer is invariably a material being.
Quite so. And given that every material being we have ever observed had a beginning, the only logical inference is that this being also had a beginning. Does this mean that God created this first being, who then created all other living beings? But since this would require God to interact with the material world, which would make him a material being as well. My brain hurts.Brother Brian
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We also have a wider relevant body of evidence, that the cosmos is fine tuned in ways that facilitate C-Chem, aqueous medium, cell based life.
Yes, the old “hole in the ground was finely tuned for the puddle” argument. Is it not more likely that C-Chem, aqueous medium, cell based life is the only type possible given the universe we find ourselves in.
This means we have signs pointing to an extra-cosmic design process that resulted in a cosmos that sets the stage for cell based life. This would require entities adequate to cause a fine tuned cosmos; by definition extra cosmic.
If the supernatural being (why don’t you just call it God?) is required to design the universe with the “finely tuned” characteristics necessary for life then you are admitting that the material designer creating life using material equipment and material chemicals isn’t the groundbreaking ID research you think it is.Brother Brian
May 25, 2019
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BB [& attn DS], strawman again. What has been shown is that design as process explains as a valid explanation.
This research does not conclude such a broad thing. It It can only be used to conclude that material beings, using material equipment on material chemicals might be a valid explanation. If you are willing to accept this then I can accept that this is a breakthrough in the non supernatural concept of ID.Brother Brian
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KF, I'll have to let the evo-mats reply to that one. For my part, I have no evidence indicating that """supernatural""" beings exist and are able to interact with the physical world. When I can determine conclusively that something has been designed, the designer is invariably a material being.daveS
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DS, one of the things that has amazed me for years is the assumption by many supporters of evolutionary materialism, that blind chance and/or mechanical necessity can write code and algorithms as well as assemble execution machinery AND a von Neumann self replication facility to go with the metabolic automaton. Empirical warrant, nil. Configuration space search challenge, vastly beyond astronomical. This seems to be yet another guilty ideological secret. KFkairosfocus
May 25, 2019
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Quite so.daveS
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DS, you know the issue is design as causal process. KFkairosfocus
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KF,
What has been shown is that design as process explains as a valid explanation. On the evidence in front of us we know that a sufficiently advanced nanotech lab is adequate for life on earth but we have had this on the table since the mid 1980’s from leading ID theorists. We do not have sufficient warrant to conclude that the ancient equivalent of Venter et al is the actual designer or the only relevant designer.
To be clear, I don't claim that we do have such warrant. Rather, the ideological lockout of the material-designer-hypothesis is over. We now have a live example.daveS
May 25, 2019
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BB [& attn DS], strawman again. What has been shown is that design as process explains as a valid explanation. On the evidence in front of us we know that a sufficiently advanced nanotech lab is adequate for life on earth but we have had this on the table since the mid 1980's from leading ID theorists. We do not have sufficient warrant to conclude that the ancient equivalent of Venter et al is the actual designer or the only relevant designer. We also have a wider relevant body of evidence, that the cosmos is fine tuned in ways that facilitate C-Chem, aqueous medium, cell based life. This means we have signs pointing to an extra-cosmic design process that resulted in a cosmos that sets the stage for cell based life. This would require entities adequate to cause a fine tuned cosmos; by definition extra cosmic. KFkairosfocus
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Brother Brian,
So, I have KF and ET agreeing that a material designer, using material technology, is the best explanation for life on earth.
Finally, the ideological lockout is dead!daveS
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So, I have KF and ET agreeing that a material designer, using material technology, is the best explanation for life on earth. Anyone else willing to jump on this bandwagon? With this shift away from a supernatural cause to a natural cause, maybe ID can start working on identifying evidence for the mechanisms used to realize these designs made by material beings.Brother Brian
May 25, 2019
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Earth to Brother Brian- The paper reports of an intelligent design of an organism's genome. That’s TWO cases of an intelligent agency producing a genome from scratch. And still ZERO for nature doing so.ET
May 25, 2019
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BB, we can simply read the thread above. Second, the fact remains that the published research is a case of intelligent design and synthesis of a genome, involving recoding. That fact is decisive, so that the longstanding ideological lockout is now dead. KFkairosfocus
May 24, 2019
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Nowhere have I suggested that these researchers were consciously setting out on an explicit, ID-supportive project.
I never said that you did. All I have been saying is that your claim that it is groundbreaking research for ID is nonsense. For it to be groundbreaking it has to provide a much clearer understanding of how ID functions. If you are going to say that this paper points to direct synthesis of DNA by material beings, using material equipment, as the best current explanation of life on earth, then I would agree that it is groundbreaking for ID. But given your track record of not addressing any arguments that are contrary to your opinions, I expect you to avoid addressing this as well.Brother Brian
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F/N: Just to spark some thinking, Wiki on TRIZ:
TRIZ (/?tri?z/; Russian: ?????? ??????? ???????????????? ?????, teoriya resheniya izobretatelskikh zadatch, literally: "theory of the resolution of invention-related tasks") is "a problem-solving, analysis and forecasting tool derived from the study of patterns of invention in the global patent literature".[1] It was developed by the Soviet inventor and science-fiction author Genrich Altshuller (1926-1998) and his colleagues, beginning in 1946. In English the name is typically rendered as "the theory of inventive problem solving",[2][3] and occasionally goes by the English acronym TIPS. Following Altshuller's insight, the theory developed on a foundation of extensive research covering hundreds of thousands of inventions across many different fields to produce a theory which defines generalisable patterns in the nature of inventive solutions and the distinguishing characteristics of the problems that these inventions have overcome[4]. An important part of the theory has been devoted to revealing patterns of evolution and one of the objectives which has been pursued by leading practitioners of TRIZ has been the development of an algorithmic approach to the invention of new systems, and to the refinement of existing ones. TRIZ includes a practical methodology, tool sets, a knowledge base, and model-based technology for generating innovative solutions for problem solving. It is useful for problem formulation, system analysis, failure analysis, and patterns of system evolution. There is a general similarity of purposes and methods with the field of pattern language, a cross discipline practice for explicitly describing and sharing holistic patterns of design. The research has produced three primary findings: problems and solutions are repeated across industries and sciences patterns of technical evolution are also repeated across industries and sciences the innovations used scientific effects outside the field in which they were developed TRIZ practitioners apply all these findings in order to create and to improve products, services, and systems.[5]
A theory and school of reflective praxis on technological evolution by systematic innovation. Of course, this leads to the question, what is mind. KFkairosfocus
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H, the reported study is a pointer on first steps towards one way it may possibly have been done, i.e. on how a molecular nanotech lab could do the deed. More interestingly, on how we may proceed to do the like. Somehow, it strikes me that the OP above does not show lack of interest in relevant design approaches. I have pointed out that design is about methods and technology, not mechanism; but that should be obvious. KFkairosfocus
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DS, that would be simple misunderstanding not a fallacy of distraction. KFkairosfocus
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BB, you just doubled down on red herrings and strawmen. It is clear you are not addressing the substantial point in the OP, but rather are distracting from it (as was cautioned against). Here we go yet again on that point, now simply for record:
Where are we today, then? First, we have definitive demonstration of the intelligent design of a genome. Yes, they obviously have not created a de novo cell body (a much more difficult task), but we see that intelligent design of life here definitively passes the Newton test of observed actual cause. Further, we see that DNA functions as an information system in the cell, supporting the significance of this conceptual representation, based on Yockey’s work [images follow] . . . . At this stage, we definitively know that using nanotech molecular biology and linked computational techniques it is feasible to construct a genome based on intelligently directed configuration. AKA, design. Therefore, intelligent design, as of right not sufferance, sits at the table for study on origin of life and of body plans. Where, we separately know on configuration space search challenge, that it is maximally implausible to construct in excess of 500 – 1,000 bits of functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated information . . . . We are now in a different ball game completely: Intelligent Design of life is demonstrated to be feasible and actual in the here and now, as of this investigation. Therefore, as of right, it is a serious candidate to explain what we see in the world of life; especially as regards origin of cell based life and origin of main body plans. Going forward, we are now a full-fledged independent school of thought.
Nowhere have I suggested that these researchers were consciously setting out on an explicit, ID-supportive project. They simply managed to demonstrate the actual feasibility of intelligent design of a complete genome. Similarly, nowhere have I argued that design of cell based life by itself means the designer of cell based life on earth is an extra-cosmic entity. Indeed, I pointed out more than once that this point has been on the table from ID thinkers since the 1980's, in fact in the first work, TMLO. Your strawman caricatures have fallen flat. Further, despite being pointed to the UD weak argument correctives, you show basic ignorance of the per aspect design inference filter. The first default is blind mechanical necessity, defeated by high contingency on closely similar initial conditions. The second default is blind chance, defeated by functional specificity based on configuration AND tied to it informational complexity beyond a 500 - 1,000 bit threshold. Thus, the reasonable defaults are defeated by FSCO/I, for reasons explained above. No reasonable person will accept a selectively hyperskeptical begging of the default question. There are three main explanatory factors and defaults are chosen so they will only yield a design inference when a false positive is maximally implausible. And in fact we know on trillions of cases that the filter is reliable. Objections fail again, and are another distraction from the fact on the table, intelligent design of a functional genome. KFkairosfocus
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This is probably a boiled herring, or maybe a red strawman, but once you have decided that life was designed, I don't understand why it wouldn't be reasonable to want to know more about how that happened, with some due respect for separating metaphysical speculations and ideas that might be empirically investigated.hazel
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@BB where are you seeing ID trying to keep God in the equation? Some ID proponents, like Nagel, are atheists. Some are religious, so of course they think God is the best candidate for designer. However, you seem to be confusing what some individual ID proponents believe with the logical claim of ID itself. This is like confusing the weird Pythagorean cult beliefs with the mathematics they developed. The mathematics stands on its own. Same with ID. The mathematical and biological theory should be examined independently of what the individuals believe. Even if they think ID is a great way to bring God back into schools, or what have you. You've got to separate the idea from the person, and criticize the idea on its own merits or lack thereof.EricMH
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KF
Above, BB tried to shift focal topic to something which is distractive.
I was directly addressing your claim that this paper was groundbreaking ID research. Let me put it in a form that you seem to think makes your arguments more sound. 1) Groundbreaking research tends to be research that focuses (narrows) our model of the real world. 2) Mendelian genetics did this for evolution and focused our attention on means to explain his observations of population “genetics”. 3) This led to our discovery and describing of DNA. 4) The groundbreaking discovery of DNA further focussed (narrowed) or model of evolution. 5) You are claiming that our ability to modify and synthesize a genome is groundbreaking ID research. 6) If it is groundbreaking, how is it focussing (narrowing) the ID model of life? 7) The most obvious and logical way that it could do this is to focus (narrow) ID research to the possible material means of design. Pushing a supernatural (AKA, God) means to the back burner until all avenues of a material explanation have been exhausted. 8) The fact that ID researchers (including yourself) refuse to do this is because this would remove God from the ID equation. Much like we have largely removed blending inheritance and strict Lamarckian mechanisms as strong candidates as explanations for evolution. Cue the response claiming that this is a red strawman so that you can justify not addressing this.Brother Brian
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Hazel
Following up on my post at 62 about strawmen, sometimes people just exclaim “red herring” without explaining why that is accurate, and it’s not obvious just what the “red herring” is referring to.
Declaring an argument a red herring or a strawman is a well known , and lazy, debate tactic. When you do so, you are falsely trying to justify why you are not addressing the point raised.Brother Brian
May 24, 2019
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KF,
a strawman is one type of red herring.
It's probably not the case that all strawmen are red herrings, though. Someone may be confused about what the actual argument is and 'knock over a strawman', without intending to draw attention away from the track of truth and towards an oil of ad hominem-soaked strawman.daveS
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Ok, Let’s make this clear once more (rephrasing KF’s comment @194): “BB tried to shift focal topic to something which is distractive” Why? Because... “The force of the original point stands established, an actual case of genome scale intelligent design, showing possibility by way of actual instance.” I mean, what else could he do? :)PeterA
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