If you can reproduce how life got started, $10 million is yours

I'm sure there are lots of wannabe emperors who would give all the money in the world to learn how to clone soldiers. SmartAZ

On a related note, does anyone recall when prof szostak began his research project on ool at Harvard? Iirc he said he'd have results iedn 5 years. Must be more than that by now. And probably spent more than $10m by now. es58

Surely, 'non-locality', not to speak of the Singularity, itself, ('originating, even concurrently "existing" beyond space and time, i.e. subject to a different reference-frame from space-time, while yet interacting with it), quite literally signifies a 'supernatural' realm, 'beyond the limits of the natural world'? And certainly beyond the scope of empirical science. Axel

Somebody accidentally crashed a satellite on Earth carrying thousands of dried tardigrades. Experiment now being replicated on the Moon to test its validity. https://www.livescience.com/66109-tardigrades-moon-israeli-lander.html polistra

On top of that, in the following video, Dr James Tour, (who is very well respected for his breakthroughs in synthetic chemistry, and who is regarded as one of the top ten synthetic chemists in the world), states the insurmountable problem for the Origin of Life (OOL) for atheistic materialists as such:

“We have no idea how to put this structure (a simple cell) together.,, So, not only do we not know how to make the basic components, we do not know how to build the structure even if we were given the basic components. So the gedanken (thought) experiment is this. Even if I gave you all the components. Even if I gave you all the amino acids. All the protein structures from those amino acids that you wanted. All the lipids in the purity that you wanted. The DNA. The RNA. Even in the sequence you wanted. I’ve even given you the code. And all the nucleic acids. So now I say, “Can you now assemble a cell, not in a prebiotic cesspool but in your nice laboratory?”. And the answer is a resounding NO! And if anybody claims otherwise they do not know this area (of research).” – James Tour: The Origin of Life Has Not Been Explained – 4:20 minute mark https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y?t=255

What Dr. Tour briefly touched upon in that preceding comment is the fact that having the correct sequential information encoded in DNA is not nearly enough in order to explain life. Besides the sequential information in DNA there is also a vast amount of ‘positional information’ that must be accounted for as well. The amount of positional information that is found to be in a simple one cell bacterium, when working from the thermodynamic perspective, is found to be on the order 10 to the 12 bits,,, which is several orders of magnitude more information than the amount of sequential information that is encoded on the DNA of a ‘simple’ bacterium.

Biophysics – Information theory. Relation between information and entropy: – Setlow-Pollard, Ed. Addison Wesley Excerpt: Linschitz gave the figure 9.3 x 10^12 cal/deg or 9.3 x 10^12 x 4.2 joules/deg for the entropy of a bacterial cell. Using the relation H = S/(k In 2), we find that the information content is 4 x 10^12 bits. Morowitz’ deduction from the work of Bayne-Jones and Rhees gives the lower value of 5.6 x 10^11 bits, which is still in the neighborhood of 10^12 bits. Thus two quite different approaches give rather concordant figures. http://www.astroscu.unam.mx/~angel/tsb/molecular.htm

,,, Which is the equivalent of 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. ‘In comparison,,, the largest libraries in the world,, have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.”

“a one-celled bacterium, e. coli, is estimated to contain the equivalent of 100 million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica. Expressed in information in science jargon, this would be the same as 10^12 bits of information. In comparison, the total writings from classical Greek Civilization is only 10^9 bits, and the largest libraries in the world – The British Museum, Oxford Bodleian Library, New York Public Library, Harvard Widenier Library, and the Moscow Lenin Library – have about 10 million volumes or 10^12 bits.” – R. C. Wysong – The Creation-evolution Controversy ‘The information content of a simple cell has been estimated as around 10^12 bits, comparable to about a hundred million pages of the Encyclopedia Britannica.” Carl Sagan, “Life” in Encyclopedia Britannica: Macropaedia (1974 ed.), pp. 893-894

And again, in comparison, the sequential information encoded on DNA of 'simple' bacterial life is merely around 10^6 bits. Thus that is a huge, ‘orders of magnitude’ disparity between the positional information and sequential information of a 'simple' cell. And also recall that the amount of positional information contained within a 'simple' bacterium was derived from thermodynamic considerations. And in regards to this vast amount of 'thermodynamic' positional information that must somehow be accounted for in order to explain the Origin of Life, in the following 2010 experimental realization of Maxwell’s demon thought experiment, it was demonstrated that knowledge of a particle’s location and/or position converts information into energy.

Maxwell’s demon demonstration turns information into energy – November 2010 Excerpt: Scientists in Japan are the first to have succeeded in converting information into free energy in an experiment that verifies the “Maxwell demon” thought experiment devised in 1867.,,, In Maxwell’s thought experiment the demon creates a temperature difference simply from information about the gas molecule temperatures and without transferring any energy directly to them.,,, Until now, demonstrating the conversion of information to energy has been elusive, but University of Tokyo physicist Masaki Sano and colleagues have succeeded in demonstrating it in a nano-scale experiment. In a paper published in Nature Physics they describe how they coaxed a Brownian particle to travel upwards on a “spiral-staircase-like” potential energy created by an electric field solely on the basis of information on its location. As the particle traveled up the staircase it gained energy from moving to an area of higher potential, and the team was able to measure precisely how much energy had been converted from information. http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-maxwell-demon-energy.html

And as the following 2010 article stated about the preceding experiment, “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,”

Demonic device converts information to energy – 2010 Excerpt: “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,” says Christopher Jarzynski, a statistical chemist at the University of Maryland in College Park. In 1997, Jarzynski formulated an equation to define the amount of energy that could theoretically be converted from a unit of information2; the work by Sano and his team has now confirmed this equation. “This tells us something new about how the laws of thermodynamics work on the microscopic scale,” says Jarzynski. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=demonic-device-converts-inform

And as the following 2017 article states: James Clerk Maxwell (said), “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.”,,, quantum information theory,,, describes the spread of information through quantum systems.,,, Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,

The Quantum Thermodynamics Revolution – May 2017 Excerpt: the 19th-century physicist James Clerk Maxwell put it, “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.” In recent years, a revolutionary understanding of thermodynamics has emerged that explains this subjectivity using quantum information theory — “a toddler among physical theories,” as del Rio and co-authors put it, that describes the spread of information through quantum systems. Just as thermodynamics initially grew out of trying to improve steam engines, today’s thermodynamicists are mulling over the workings of quantum machines. Shrinking technology — a single-ion engine and three-atom fridge were both experimentally realized for the first time within the past year — is forcing them to extend thermodynamics to the quantum realm, where notions like temperature and work lose their usual meanings, and the classical laws don’t necessarily apply. They’ve found new, quantum versions of the laws that scale up to the originals. Rewriting the theory from the bottom up has led experts to recast its basic concepts in terms of its subjective nature, and to unravel the deep and often surprising relationship between energy and information — the abstract 1s and 0s by which physical states are distinguished and knowledge is measured.,,, Renato Renner, a professor at ETH Zurich in Switzerland, described this as a radical shift in perspective. Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,, https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-thermodynamics-revolution/

Again to repeat that last sentence, “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,” Think about that statement for a second. These experiments completely blow the reductive materialistic presuppositions of Darwinian evolution, (presuppositions about information being merely ’emergent’ from some material basis), out of the water. In other words, contrary to the reductive materialistic presuppositions of Darwinists, information, particularly this ‘thermodynamic positional information’, is now experimentally shown, via quantum information theory, to be its own distinct physical entity that, although it can interact with matter and energy, is its own independent, ‘non-local’ beyond space and time, entity that is separate from matter and energy. On top of all that, this ‘thermodynamic positional information’ is found, via quantum information theory, to be “a property of an observer who describes a system.” In other words, Intelligent Design, and a direct inference to God as the Intelligence behind life, has, for all intents and purposes, achieved experimental confirmation. Of related note, it is also very important to note that classical information is now shown to be a subset of quantum information. Classical sequential information is shown to be a subset of ‘non-local’ quantum ‘positional’ information by the following method. Specifically, in the following 2011 paper, researchers ,,, show that when the bits (in a computer) to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer's state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics.,,, In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that (in quantum information theory) an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object's entropy is always dependent on the observer.

Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy - June 1, 2011 Excerpt: Recent research by a team of physicists,,, describe,,, how the deletion of data, under certain conditions, can create a cooling effect instead of generating heat. The cooling effect appears when the strange quantum phenomenon of entanglement is invoked.,,, The new study revisits Landauer's principle for cases when the values of the bits to be deleted may be known. When the memory content is known, it should be possible to delete the bits in such a manner that it is theoretically possible to re-create them. It has previously been shown that such reversible deletion would generate no heat. In the new paper, the researchers go a step further. They show that when the bits to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer's state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics.,,, In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object's entropy is always dependent on the observer. Applied to the example of deleting data, this means that if two individuals delete data in a memory and one has more knowledge of this data, she perceives the memory to have lower entropy and can then delete the memory using less energy.,,, No heat, even a cooling effect; In the case of perfect classical knowledge of a computer memory (zero entropy), deletion of the data requires in theory no energy at all. The researchers prove that "more than complete knowledge" from quantum entanglement with the memory (negative entropy) leads to deletion of the data being accompanied by removal of heat from the computer and its release as usable energy. This is the physical meaning of negative entropy. Renner emphasizes, however, "This doesn't mean that we can develop a perpetual motion machine." The data can only be deleted once, so there is no possibility to continue to generate energy. The process also destroys the entanglement, and it would take an input of energy to reset the system to its starting state. The equations are consistent with what's known as the second law of thermodynamics: the idea that the entropy of the universe can never decrease. Vedral says "We're working on the edge of the second law. If you go any further, you will break it." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601134300.htm

Also of related note, it is also important to realize that quantum information is conserved. As the following article states, In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed.

Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time - 2011 Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html

The implication of finding 'non-local', beyond space and time, and ‘conserved’, quantum information in molecular biology on such a massive scale, in every important biomolecule in our bodies, is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious. That pleasant implication, of course, being the fact that we now have very strong empirical evidence suggesting that we do indeed have an eternal soul that is capable of living beyond the death of our material bodies. As Stuart Hameroff states in the following video, the quantum information,,, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed.,,, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”

Leading Scientists Say Consciousness Cannot Die It Goes Back To The Universe - Oct. 19, 2017 - Spiritual Excerpt: “Let’s say the heart stops beating. The blood stops flowing. The microtubules lose their quantum state. But the quantum information, which is in the microtubules, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed. It just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. If a patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says, “I had a near death experience. I saw a white light. I saw a tunnel. I saw my dead relatives.,,” Now if they’re not revived and the patient dies, then it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.” - Stuart Hameroff - Quantum Entangled Consciousness - Life After Death - video (5:00 minute mark) https://www.disclose.tv/leading-scientists-say-consciousness-cannot-die-it-goes-back-to-the-universe-315604

Thus contrary to the “God of the gaps”, i.e. argument from ignorance, objection that Pater Kimbridge and other atheists try to invoke against ID proponents, the fact of the matter is that the Christian Theist is not arguing from a position of ignorance, of what we do not know about the world, but is instead arguing from a position of knowledge about what we do know about the cause and effect structure of the world. In fact, in order to hold onto his position, the atheist is forced to deny this evidence and to choose to remain in his ignorance. In other words, in order to deny that Intelligence, and particularly God, is behind the quantum information in life, the atheist himself is forced to make an ‘argument from ignorance’. Which is exactly what the atheist had falsely accused the Christian of doing in the first place. Verses:

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. Mark 8:37 Is anything worth more than your soul?

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As to Pater Kimbridge's claim that Marshall is using the ""God-of-the-Gaps Gambit" to get his name out there so he can sell books." When an atheistic materialist claims that a Christian Theist is using the ""God-of-the-Gaps Gambit" he is claiming that the more that our knowledge in science has progressed, then the more we have found materialistic and/or naturalistic answers to the mysteries of the universe, and the more that the requirement for God as an explanation is science has receded. The atheist believes that the Christian Theist is merely fallaciously sticking God into the gaps of our present ignorance in science and that a materialistic and/or naturalistic answer, as in times past, will be forthcoming as our knowledge in science expands. When looking at the actual progress of science, particular in the 20 and 21st century, that oft repeated narrative is found to be completely false. First off, the fact of the matter is that, as science has progressed, it is the Atheist himself who has had to retreat further and further into ‘Materialism/Naturalism of Gaps’ style arguments. i.e. retreat into what is known as the ‘argument from ignorance’, (which is a logical fallacy). Examples of this retreat into ignorance on the part of Atheistic materialists include the origin of the universe, the fine tuning of the universe, the falsification of local realism by quantum mechanics, the origin of life, the Cambrian explosion, the origin of consciousness, etc. etc… Here is a video that goes over many of the failed scientific predictions of the Materialist’s naturalistic philosophy in regards to what we have actually found in science.

Theism compared to Naturalism - (Major predictions of each Philosophy compared to the results we have found in science) – 2017 video https://youtu.be/WY5ppoqPNVo

Secondly, as Stephen Meyer points out in the following video, when it comes to the origin of life, we are not arguing from our ignorance, but we are arguing from our present knowledge of the cause and effect structure of the world

“A God of the gaps argument is a argument that has a formal logical structure that in logic is known as a ‘argument from ignorance’. It is an informal fallacy. Arguments from ignorance have the following form.,,, 1. Cause A is not sufficient to produce effect X 2. Therefore cause B must have produced effect X ,,, but if I have no independent evidence that cause B can produce effect X, then I have committed a fallacy of arguing from ignorance. Because, just because cause A is not sufficient to produce effect X doesn't mean that some other cause did it. You have to have independent evidence that that other cause is capable of doing it (i.e. producing the effect in question). That then becomes a God of the gaps argument when you say various natural processes are not sufficient to produce, say, the origin of the first life or the origin of the first animals in the history of life. If I were then to say, “Therefore God did it”, that would be a God of the gaps argument. It would be an argument from ignorance. But that is not how we are arguing when we make the case for Intelligent Design because we are adding an additional premise. We are saying that.,,, 1. Various natural processes are not sufficient to produce new functional information, (specifically the digital code that is stored in the DNA molecule). 2. We do know of a cause that does produce (functional digital) information. (We have independent evidence that intelligent agency, that mind,,, can create (functional digital) information.),,, ,,, so we are not arguing from our ignorance. We are arguing from our knowledge of cause and effect. (Specifically we are arguing from what we know minds can do, i.e. produce information.) - Stephen Meyer Debunks the “God of the Gaps” Objection - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGqzCA1mnyM 

As atheists, and even Stephen Meyer himself, would be quick to point out, just because we know that Intelligence can produce the effect in question, namely functional digital information, and that unguided materialistic processes are grossly insufficient to produce the effect in question, i.e. to produce functional digital information, that does not automatically mean that God did it. And I wholeheartedly agree that it does not ‘automatically’ imply that God did it. We would have to put some further scientific evidence behind what we already have in order to imply that “God did it’. So, let’s see if we find that scientific evidence. Advances in quantum biology have now shown us that Atheistic materialists, with their reductive materialistic framework, are not even on the correct theoretical foundation in order to properly understand molecular biology in the first place.

Darwinian Materialism vs. Quantum Biology – Part II - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSig2CsjKbg

Specifically, quantum entanglement and/or quantum coherence has now been found in every important biological molecule of life:

Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules – Mar. 6, 2015 Excerpt: “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” they say. That’s a discovery that is as important as it is unexpected. “These findings suggest an entirely new and universal mechanism of conductance in biology very different from the one used in electrical circuits.” The permutations of possible energy levels of biomolecules is huge so the possibility of finding even one (biomolecule) that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,, “what exactly is the advantage that criticality confers?” https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/the-origin-of-life-and-the-hidden-role-of-quantum-criticality-ca4707924552 Classical and Quantum Information Channels in Protein Chain - Dj. Koruga, A. Tomi?, Z. Ratkaj, L. Matija - 2006 Abstract: Investigation of the properties of peptide plane in protein chain from both classical and quantum approach is presented. We calculated interatomic force constants for peptide plane and hydrogen bonds between peptide planes in protein chain. On the basis of force constants, displacements of each atom in peptide plane, and time of action we found that the value of the peptide plane action is close to the Planck constant. This indicates that peptide plane from the energy viewpoint possesses synergetic classical/quantum properties. Consideration of peptide planes in protein chain from information viewpoint also shows that protein chain possesses classical and quantum properties. So, it appears that protein chain behaves as a triple dual system: (1) structural - amino acids and peptide planes, (2) energy - classical and quantum state, and (3) information - classical and quantum coding. Based on experimental facts of protein chain, we proposed from the structure-energy-information viewpoint its synergetic code system. http://www.scientific.net/MSF.518.491 "What happens is this classical information (of DNA) is embedded, sandwiched, into the quantum information (of DNA). And most likely this classical information is never accessed because it is inside all the quantum information. You can only access the quantum information or the electron clouds and the protons. So mathematically you can describe that as a quantum/classical state." Elisabeth Rieper – Classical and Quantum Information in DNA – video (Longitudinal Quantum Information resides along the entire length of DNA discussed at the 19:30 minute mark; at 24:00 minute mark Dr Rieper remarks that practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it) https://youtu.be/2nqHOnVTxJE?t=1176

What is so devastating to the reductive materialistic presuppositions of Darwinists, with the finding pervasive quantum coherence and/or quantum entanglement within molecular biology, is that Quantum coherence and/or quantum entanglement is a non-local, beyond space and time, effect that requires a beyond space and time cause in order to explain its existence. As the following paper entitled “Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory” stated, ““Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”

Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012 Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,” http://www.quantumlah.org/highlight/121029_hidden_influences.php

Moreover, as the following study found, the greater the number of particles in a quantum hypergraph state, (which is exactly the type of quantum coherence that we have with protein and DNA molecules), the more strongly it violates local realism, with the strength increasing exponentially with the number of particles.

Physicists find extreme violation of local realism in quantum hypergraph states - Lisa Zyga - March 4, 2016 Excerpt: Many quantum technologies rely on quantum states that violate local realism, which means that they either violate locality (such as when entangled particles influence each other from far away) or realism (the assumption that quantum states have well-defined properties, independent of measurement), or possibly both. Violation of local realism is one of the many counterintuitive, yet experimentally supported, characteristics of the quantum world. Determining whether or not multiparticle quantum states violate local realism can be challenging. Now in a new paper, physicists have shown that a large family of multiparticle quantum states called hypergraph states violates local realism in many ways. The results suggest that these states may serve as useful resources for quantum technologies, such as quantum computers and detecting gravitational waves.,,, The physicists also showed that the greater the number of particles in a quantum hypergraph state, the more strongly it violates local realism, with the strength increasing exponentially with the number of particles. In addition, even if a quantum hypergraph state loses one of its particles, it continues to violate local realism. This robustness to particle loss is in stark contrast to other types of quantum states, which no longer violate local realism if they lose a particle. This property is particularly appealing for applications, since it might allow for more noise in experiments. http://phys.org/news/2016-03-physicists-extreme-violation-local-realism.html

Darwinists, with their reductive materialistic framework, simply have no beyond space and time cause that they can appeal so as to be able to explain the non-local quantum coherence and/or entanglement of the cell. Whereas Christians readily do have a beyond space and time cause that they can appeal to. As Colossians 1:17 states, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

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BA77, precisely. KF kairosfocus

PK, a financial fraud promoted in Financial Times and with the names of reviewers like that given? Not likely, I think the shoe is on the other foot. Put it this way, if someone succeeds the principals stand to make vastly more than $10 mn, so I read this as a take option giving first refusal on the results of the successful research. Publicity alone would greatly exceed US$ 10 mn in value so raising a contingent sum is no problem. As is overwhelmingly more likely, there will be no solution as the informational school of thought on thermodynamics would immediately suggest. Though much less lucrative, that result is also valuable. Whatever else he is Mr Marshall is a canny financial operator. KF kairosfocus

There is a recent round the table talk at the Royal Society with Denis Noble here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJSCBeLD05M One of the investors is also there, and gives a short talk at the end of the video pete_b

I will believe this is not a scam when I see proof that $10 million has been put in trust.

There are ways to go about that. But we all know you won't even try. According to them, Nature supposedly did what Perry is asking for without wanting to and without trying to. So it's sad when the other side's bluff is called and all they can do is squawk like chickens. ET

Pater Kimbridge tries to further his outlandish conspiracy theory with this,

he has just found a way to insure he will never have to part with his $10 million, while using his God-of-the-Gaps Gambit to get his name out there so he can sell books. Don’t believe me? Read the fine print:

Ha Ha Ha,,, so it is a vast conspiracy to further the "God-of-the-Gaps Gambit". LOL Ha Ha Ha. :) By golly those Christians are such a dishonest lot. They are the ones who have been hiding, for all these years, all the empirical evidence that Darwinists need to validate their theory! :) Ha Ha Ha,, You take the friggin cake. Get a grip man, Perry Marshall, and all the minions of Christians in the world, could not stop such a hypothetical monumental discovery from seeing the light of day. You asked me to read the fine print. Perhaps you should read the fine print. First, it is not solely his money. And second he is not the judge of the prize.

Scientists challenged to create genetic code from simple chemicals Excerpt: Wealthy investors are offering a $10m prize to the first scientific team that can create a genetic code from simple chemicals — reproducing the unknown process that led billions of years ago to DNA as the vehicle for transmitting information in life on Earth. The Evolution 2.0 prize is an initiative by Perry Marshall, an online marketing entrepreneur based in Chicago. It will be judged by prominent scientists, including George Church, genetics professor at Harvard university, and Denis Noble, the Oxford university biologist who was the first to model the human heart on a computer.,,, Other backers of the prize include marketing businessman Robert Skrob, investment manager Gary Klopfenstein and serial entrepreneur Jon Correll. Their involvement is not purely altruistic. The full $10m will only be awarded for a patentable coding system, which the prize sponsors will attempt to commercialise in partnership with the winner. https://www.ft.com/content/dcb2ea12-83c8-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849

I take it that you are not aware of exactly who George Church and Denis Noble are? If you were aware of their stellar reputations in science you certainly would not be throwing around such false accusations of widespread dishonesty as you have done. bornagain77

I will believe this is not a scam when I see proof that $10 million has been put in trust. Brother Brian

@BA77 said "...he believes that Perry Marshall is somehow fervently scheming to prevent this monumental technological breakthrough from ever reaching the light of day?" No, he has just found a way to insure he will never have to part with his $10 million, while using his God-of-the-Gaps Gambit to get his name out there so he can sell books. Don't believe me? Read the fine print: https://www.herox.com/evolution2.0/guidelines Pater Kimbridge

. >>> He has identified something that is unique to living organisms, namely communicating with a language ( he calls it a code) and is asking for an example of it where is is not associated with any life form. Were you actually aiming for your foot when you pulled the trigger? Upright BiPed

Pater Kimbridge huffs

Perry Marshall’s “challenge” is a dishonest scheme to promote his book.

Actually, the only blatant dishonesty surrounding Origin Of Life (OOL) research has been from the researchers themselves, (many who are taxpayer funded through grants), who have repeatedly dishonestly claimed to the public that they have the OOL problem well in hand: James Tour exposed just how dishonest some OOL researchers are in the following video:

James Tour: The Mystery of the Origin of Life – video – March 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7Lww-sBPg

In fact, instead of getting closer to solving the OOL problem, the more we know about the details of the problem, the worse the OOL problem gets for atheistic materialists:

"We have no idea how to put this structure (a simple cell) together.,, So, not only do we not know how to make the basic components, we do not know how to build the structure even if we were given the basic components. So the gedanken (thought) experiment is this. Even if I gave you all the components. Even if I gave you all the amino acids. All the protein structures from those amino acids that you wanted. All the lipids in the purity that you wanted. The DNA. The RNA. Even in the sequence you wanted. I've even given you the code. And all the nucleic acids. So now I say, "Can you now assemble a cell, not in a prebiotic cesspool but in your nice laboratory?". And the answer is a resounding NO! And if anybody claims otherwise they do not know this area (of research).” - James Tour: The Origin of Life Has Not Been Explained - (The more we know, the worse it gets for materialists) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4sP1E1Jd_Y

Pater Kimbridge further huffs

He (Marshall) has identified something that is unique to living organisms, namely communicating with a language ( he calls it a code) and is asking for an example of it where is is not associated with any life form.

Well not exactly. He is asking for a demonstration that inanimate matter can generate a code. As he explained in the first part of the video, Human Intelligence can generate a code at will, but no one has ever seen a code being generated from brute chemistry. Yet, this is exactly what atheistic materialists say happened. Pater Kimbridge further huffs

That’s basically saying ” show me life that is not life” which is a contradiction, and cannot, by definition, be demonstrated.

Ha ha ha.,,, Well no again. He is asking anyone to show, (not only him, but to show the judges George Church of Harvard and Denis Noble of Oxford), an example of inanimate matter, via brute chemistry, generating a code. If that, to use your words, "cannot, by definition, be demonstrated" then you have basically conceded that it is impossible for atheistic materialists to ever explain the origin of life. Pater Kimbridge finishes his tirade with

As an added safeguard against anyone actually winning the prize, anyone who submits an entry must sign a form that gives Marshall complete control over the information. So, even if someone came up with a valid solution, Marshall can suppress it and never release it to the public. Talk about a huckster!

Ha ha ha,, Ha ha ha,,, That takes the cake. So say some hypothetical super genius has figured out how to generate a code, via brute chemistry, from inanimate matter. A monumental technological breakthrough that will rival other monumental technological breakthroughs in terms of importance for mankind. And yet, in the deep recesses of Pater's imagination, he believes that Perry Marshall is somehow fervently scheming to prevent this monumental technological breakthrough from ever reaching the light of day? HA HA HA HA :) That takes the cake. Talk about conspiracy theorists. Even moon landing deniers would give you a face palm. bornagain77

Wow. Pater's response is that of the fox and the sour grapes. Talk about the ultimate attempt at a Jedi handwave! ET

My understanding is he is looking for the code that generates life. Which, if identified, is going to be worth much more than $10M. So, I think Marshall will gladly part ways with $10M for ownership of the code. Of course, the premise of this idea is flawed, since it assumes life is computable, which is quite a big assumption in itself. EricMH

Perry Marshall's "challenge" is a dishonest scheme to promote his book. He has identified something that is unique to living organisms, namely communicating with a language ( he calls it a code) and is asking for an example of it where is is not associated with any life form. That's basically saying " show me life that is not life" which is a contradiction, and cannot, by definition, be demonstrated. As an added safeguard against anyone actually winning the prize, anyone who submits an entry must sign a form that gives Marshall complete control over the information. So, even if someone came up with a valid solution, Marshall can suppress it and never release it to the public. Talk about a huckster! Pater Kimbridge

I swear to God they’ve done this before AaronS1978