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After reading Dr. Cornelius Hunter’s panning of Professor S. Joshua Swamidass’s recent article, Evidence and Evolution, I figured the professor must have written a truly awful piece. Nevertheless, I decided to go back and have a look at his article. And I’m very glad I did. Swamidass’s article was irenic in tone, easy to follow, deeply learned, and absolutely right.

Professor Swamidass’s olive branch

What Professor Swamidass was attempting to do in his article was to extend an olive branch to creationists. Nowhere in the article did he belittle or ridicule his opponents, and there was not a trace of the smug superiority which many scientists display, when talking to creationists. Indeed, he bent over backwards to be accommodating:

If we allow for God’s intervention in our history, it is possible we do not share a common ancestor with apes. Adding God into the picture, anything is possible…

Of course, adding God back into the picture, anything could have happened. An omnipotent God could have created us 6,000 years ago…

Of course, the scientific account is not the whole story. It is an open theological question how to complete the scientific account, and theological debate surrounding this question is important and engaging. One thing all should agree on; we humans are certainly more than just apes.

Nowhere in his article did Professor Swamidass argue that evolution is true, or that God made human beings via an evolutionary process. Instead, he attempted to show that the scientific evidence (taken on its own) supports human evolution, before concluding that if humans did not evolve, then theologians need to address this evidence:

Currently, it appears that, for some reason, God chose to create humans so that our genomes look as though we do, in fact, have a common ancestor with chimpanzees

It would have been very easy for God to design humans with genomes that were obviously different than apes, and clearly not a product of evolution. From some reason, He did not. He did not even make us as different from chimpanzees as mice are from rats. Why not?

Let me note for the record that young-earth creationist Todd Wood asked exactly the same question in a recent review of Fazale Rana and Hugh Ross’s revised 2015 edition of their book, Who Was Adam?:

Why do humans and chimps share such similar genomes, while the genomes of rats and mice differ so dramatically (see Mouse Genome Sequencing Consortium 2002)? What is the basis of the pattern of similarity (Wood 2006)?

…Similarity requires explanation, regardless of whether it’s similar genes or similar intergenic DNA.

Professor Swamidass draws no conclusions in his article; he merely poses a legitimate question which creationists have also wondered about. He certainly sounds like a very fair-minded man. I should add that Swamidass is a practicing Christian as well as a trained scientist. At the very least, his article warrants a courteous and carefully argued response. I regret to say that Dr. Hunter’s reply fails on this count: it is misinformed (as I’ll show below), polemical and curtly dismissive in tone, as the following extract shows:

The evolutionist has just made an unbeatable (and unfalsifiable) argument.

This is not science. Swamidass’ claim about what is and isn’t likely “without common descent” is not open to scientific scrutiny…

If Swamidass is correct then, yes, of course, the genomic data must be strong evidence for common ancestry. But it all hinges on his metaphysics. This is not about science. It never was.

Like that old baseball card, it’s just another worthless argument.

“Worthless argument”? Professor Swamidass deserves a better hearing than that.

Dr. Hunter’s criticisms of Professor Swamidass’s argument

Dr. Hunter’s failure to address the scientific evidence for common descent

Amazingly, Dr. Hunter manages to completely ignore the scientific evidence for evolution presented in Professor Swamidass’s article. Instead of addressing this evidence, he confines himself to quoting just two sentences from the article. Here’s the scientific evidence for human evolution, summarized by Swamidass, which Dr. Hunter overlooked:

In particular, be sure to check out the links to Dr. Dennis Venema’s more complete explanations of the evidence for the general public: common ancestry and genetic similarity (parts 1, 2, 3, and 4), synteny (parts 1 and 2), pseudogenes (parts 1 and 2), egg yolk (parts 1, 2, 3, and 4) and hominid evolution (hominid genetics and chromosome 2).

Evidence for human evolution: we have remnants of genes for making egg yolks

Here’s just one intriguing piece of evidence for common ancestry, which Dr. Dennis Venema writes about in a series of articles linked to by Professor Swamidass. Unfortunately, this evidence is never even mentioned by Dr. Hunter in his article:

Vitellogenins are large proteins used by egg-laying organisms to provide a store of nutrition to their embryos in egg yolk. Since vitellogenins are so large, they are a good source of amino acids when digested (proteins are made of amino acids linked together). Many of the amino acids in vitellogenins have sugars attached to them as well, so they also serve as a source of carbohydrates. The three-dimensional shape of vitellogenin proteins also acts as a carrier for lipids. As such, vitellogenins can be synthesized in the mother and transferred to the yolk as a ready-made supply of amino acids, sugars, and lipids for the developing embryo.

Placental mammals, on the other hand, use a different strategy for nourishing their embryos during development: the placenta. This connection between the mother and embryo allows for nutrient transfer right up until birth. As such, there is no need for vitellogenins, or storing up a supply in the egg yolk for the embryo to use. Evolutionary biology predicts that placental mammals descend from egg-laying ancestors, however – and one good line of evidence in support of that hypothesis (among many) is that placental mammals, humans included, have the remains of vitellogenin gene sequences in their genomes.

Dr. Hunter: we can’t say what God would or wouldn’t do

Dr. Hunter’s response to such arguments is to cry foul, on the grounds that such an argument involves an appeal to metaphysics:

A scientist cannot know that something is unlikely “without” his theory. That implies knowledge of all other possible theories. And that knowledge does not come from science.

I disagree. The scientific case for human evolution doesn’t need to specify what a Designer would or wouldn’t do. All it says is that if the Designer of life has no special reason to make X, and we discover X, then X should count as a surprising fact – and hence, a prima facie improbable one. On a special creationist account of human origins, there is absolutely no reason to expect that humans would have what appear to be the remains of genes used for making egg yolks in their DNA – just as there is no particular reason to expect that humans would be more genetically similar to chimps than rats are to mice – or for that matter, than foxes are to wolves, or horses are to donkeys. And let’s remember that most creationists consider horses and donkeys to be members of the same “kind,” just as they consider foxes and wolves to be members of the same kind, and of course, rats and mice as well (see here for a detailed discussion of kinds by Dr. Jean Lightner, from Answers in Genesis. Reasoning on Bayesian grounds, these striking and singular facts have a high probability on the hypothesis of common descent, but are surprising (and hence improbable) on a hypothesis of separate creation. One can only conclude that these facts lend scientific support to the hypothesis of common descent.

Can evolution account for the fact that humans and chimps are genetically much more similar than mice and rats?

Dr. Hunter also faults Professor Swamidass for claiming that the similarity of human and chimpanzee genomes was “predicted by common ancestry,” and that the recent scientific discovery that “humans are about 10 times more genetically similar to chimpanzees than mice are to rats” was “just as predicted by the fossil record.” Hunter replies:

First, the high chimp-human genomic similarity was not predicted by common ancestry. No such prediction was made and no such prediction is required by common ancestry. Common ancestry would be just fine with very different levels of similarity than 98-99%…

Second, Swamidass’ claim that mouse-rat divergence, compared with the chimp-human divergence, is “just as predicted by the fossil record” is also blatantly false…

In fact, before the rat genome was determined, evolutionists predicted it would be highly similar to the mouse genome.

What Dr. Hunter omits to mention is that Professor Swamidass attached a lengthy footnote, which supplies the context for his remarks about rats and mice:

A common lawyerly objection to this evidence is that these similarities are “equally” explained by common “design.” As scientists, our response to this objection is data. Many modern creationists think that the genetic evidence shows that mice and rats share a common ancestor, even though they are 10 times less similar than humans are to chimpanzees. Starting from the genetic evidence, why is it hard to believe chimpanzees and humans are related (less than 1.5% codons different), when we readily accept mice and rats are related (more than 15% different)? Of course, on the outside, not looking at our genomes, humans are very different than chimpanzees, much more different than mice are from rats. Common ancestry predicts this discrepancy between function and genetics by recognizing that genomes are better explained by evolutionary history than readily observable differences between species; mice and rats are more different because they changed more quickly (because of their shorter generation time) for a longer period of time than humans and chimpanzees. What design principle can explain why humans are 10 times more similar to chimpanzees than mice are to rats? No one knows.

While Dr. Hunter is correct in pointing out that the hypothesis of that humans and chimps shared a common ancestor, taken by itself, implies nothing about their degree of genetic similarity, he neglects to mention that scientists routinely make use of molecular clocks in order to determine when two species (A and B) diverged, based on their degree of genetic similarity. They do this by using the fossil record to determine independently when two other species (X and Y) diverged, and comparing the divergence between X and Y with that between A and B, in order to calculate the date when species A and B diverged. The basic idea here is that nucleotide sequences in DNA change over time at a rate which is roughly constant across all species, as predicted by Motoo Kimura’s neutral theory of evolution, which, as Professor P.Z. Myers explains in a 2014 blog post, has been vindicated over “selectionist” theories (which categorized mutations as either advantageous or disadvantageous) by the experimental evidence:

First thing you have to know: the revolution is over. Neutral and nearly neutral theory won. The neutral theory states that most of the variation found in evolutionary lineages is a product of random genetic drift. Nearly neutral theory is an expansion of that idea that basically says that even slightly advantageous or deleterious mutations will escape selection — they’ll be overwhelmed by effects dependent on population size. This does not in any way imply that selection is unimportant, but only that most molecular differences will not be a product of adaptive, selective changes…

When comparing the rates of change between homologous genes in different species, we had a bit of a surprise: they are very roughly, sloppily constant. That shouldn’t be true under pure selection theory, but it turns out to make a lot of sense under nearly neutral theory. There is a tradeoff in the rate of mutations occurring, and in becoming fixed in a population. A very large population size will accumulate more mutations purely by chance, but the probability of a single mutation becoming fixed in the population is reduced under large population sizes. When you do the math, you discover that population size cancels out, and the frequency of novel forms becoming fixed over time is dependent solely on the mutation rate.

Think about that. If you compare two species, the number of nucleotide differences between them is basically going to be simply the mutation rate times the number of generations separating them from their last common ancestor. That’s how we can use a molecular clock to date the time of divergence of two lineages.

Professor Soojin Yi (School of Biology, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta) provides a helpful summary of how scientists use molecular clocks and what their limitations are, in a recent article titled “Neutrality and Molecular Clocks,” (Nature Education Knowledge 4(2):3, 2013).

So, what do the fossils show? Sahelanthropus (pictured at the top of this post), who lived around 7 million years ago, is currently considered to be very close to the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees (see this family tree for a summary of changes which are believed to have occurred in the human lineage). By contrast, rats and mice appear in the fossil record at least 14 million years ago, according to the Wikipedia article on Murinae (the subfamily comprising Old World rats and mice):

The first known appearance of the Murinae in the fossil record is about 14 million years ago with the fossil genus Antemus. Antemus is thought to derive directly from Potwarmus, which has a more primitive tooth pattern. Likewise, two genera, Progonomys and Karnimata, are thought to derive directly from Antemus. Progonomys is thought to be the ancestor of Mus [the common mouse – VJT] and relatives, while Karnimata is thought to lead to Rattus [the rat] and relatives. All of these fossils are found in the well-preserved and easily dated Siwalik fossil beds of Pakistan.

For more information on the evolution of rats and mice, see here.

Is the chimpanzee really the animal closest to us?

Left: A chimpanzee mother and baby, Baltimore Zoo. Cropped image, courtesy of Wikipedia.
Right: Orangutan, Semenggok Forest Reserve, Sarawak, Borneo, Malaysia. Courtesy of Wikipedia.

Dr. Hunter’s discussion of the difficulties attending the hypothesis of human evolution is even more disappointing. He begins by attacking the claim that the chimpanzee is the creature closest to human beings:

Evolutionists believe that we humans evolved from a small ape-like creature and that our closest relative on the evolutionary tree is the chimpanzee. The chimpanzee must be our closest relative, they reason, because the chimp’s genome is closest to ours, and according to evolution, genetic mutations are the fuel behind evolutionary change.

The problem with this reasoning is that the chimpanzee is not very similar to humans according to many other measures. There are enormous differences between the two species. Furthermore, in its morphology and behavior, the orangutan is closer to humans than the chimpanzee.

A quick point about the genetic similarities between humans and chimp DNA: they really are about 98% similar, as I argued in a post last year. What’s more, even alleged de novo genes found in human beings turn out to have 98% similar counterparts in chimps.

As regards Dr. Hunter’s claim that humans are morphologically more like orangutans than chimpanzees, I’m afraid he’s relying on out-of-date information here. Back in 2009, Professor Jeffrey Schwartz and Dr. John Grehan generated a brief flurry of controversy in the scientific world when they published a paper which listed 63 physical characteristics which had been verified as unique to humans and other great apes – chimps, gorillas, and orangutans – and discovered that humans shared no less than 28 of these characteristics with orangutans, but that they only shared two characteristics with chimpanzees, seven with gorillas, and seven with all three apes (chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans). Dr. Schwartz has long argued that our closest relative is the orangutan (from whom he says we diverged 12 or 13 million years ago), and he contends that the genetic data don’t tell the whole story, because most human-chimp comparisons only look at the coding region of the human genome. However, in 2010, another team of researchers (Lehtonen et al.) redid the research, using a much larger set of 300 anatomical features, and found (with a 98% degree of confidence) that the ape most similar to human beings was the chimpanzee, after all. Grehand and Schwartz hit back with a paper of their own in 2011, in which they argued that Lehtonen et al. shouldn’t have counted some of the anatomical features listed in their study, but Lehtonen et al. replied with an article showing that Grehan and Schwartz were guilty of logical inconsistencies in their methodology. In other words: evidence purporting to show that humans are physically more like orangutans than chimpanzees turned out to be highly questionable, and there’s no good reason to doubt that chimpanzees are the apes which are closest to human beings – although recent evidence suggests that the common ancestor of humans and chimps may have walked like an orangutan. However, I don’t blame Dr. Hunter for accepting the claim that humans are anatomically closer to orangutans than to chimps: at one point, I was taken in by it myself.

If even the evolution of proteins requires a Designer, how much more so does human evolution

Dr. Hunter continues:

According to evolution, you can’t have mutations occurring for some purpose, such as creating a design. And natural selection doesn’t help — it cannot induce or coax the right mutations to occur. This makes the evolution of even a single protein, let alone humans, statistically impossible.

In this passage, Dr. Hunter is alluding to the pioneering work of Dr. Douglas Axe, the author of the 2010 paper, The Case Against a Darwinian Origin of Protein Folds, which I blogged about here. See also here, here and here for follow-up comments by Dr. Axe and Dr. Ann Gauger, in response to criticisms. As far as I can judge, evolutionists have failed to mount a substantial challenge to Dr. Axe’s arguments demonstrating the astronomical improbability of certain protein folds which are essential for all living organisms having evolved by unguided processes. So I am in complete agreement with Dr. Hunter that human beings did not get here by either a chance process or by natural selection.

However, Professor Swamidass never claims in his article that human beings originated via a blind process. As I mentioned above, he’s a scientist who is a Christian. His sole aim, in writing the article, was to show creationists that there is a wealth of scientific evidence supporting the claim that human beings and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor. Nothing in that claim stipulates the mechanism whereby humans arose: it may have been a guided process or an unguided one.

The mystery of human consciousness

Next, Dr. Hunter argues that evolution cannot account for the mystery of human consciousness:

The incredible designs in the human body are not the only thing those random mutations have to create—they will also have to create human consciousness.

Evolutionists may try to explain consciousness as an “emergent” property that just luckily arose when our brain somehow evolved. Or they may try to explain that consciousness is really no more than an illusion. But these are just more demonstrations of anti-realism in evolutionary thought. Evolutionary theory constructs mechanisms and explanations that do not correspond to the real world. So this is another problem Swamidass will need to overcome.

However, nowhere in his article does Professor Swamidass attempt to argue that evolution can explain human consciousness. All he is endeavoring to demonstrate is that there is strong scientific evidence that humans and chimps had a common ancestor. Remember: the guy is a Christian, not an atheistic reductionist.

Can the relatively tiny modifications of an ape-like ancestor’s genome account for the vast differences between humans and chimps?

Dr. Hunter ridicules the notion that the morphological differences between humans and chimps can be explained by a relatively small number of modifications in their ancestors’genomes, when species that have undergone much greater genetic modification display far fewer morphological differences:

In recent decades the genomes of humans and chimps have been determined, and they make no sense on evolution. One of the main problems is that the genes of the two species are almost identical. They are only about 1-2% different and, if you’re an evolutionist, this means you have to believe that the evolution of humans from a small, primitive, ape-like creature was caused by only a tiny modification of the genome.

This goes against everything we have learned about genetics. You can insert far greater genetic changes with far less change arising as a consequence. It makes little sense that tiny genetic changes could cause such enormous design changes to occur.

Dr. Hunter’s argument is flawed, because he overlooks the fact that the vast majority of genetic changes are now known to be either neutral or nearly neutral, as explained above: they are product of random genetic drift, and they are mostly non-adaptive. By contrast, morphological changes (including the “design changes” referred to by Dr. Hunter) are often subject to natural selection, which means that they may be either beneficial or deleterious. Consequently, the degree of genetic divergence between two species tells us little or nothing about how different they are, morphologically. That explains how the morphological differences between rats and mice can be relatively slight, even though rats and mice are believed to have diverged long before humans and chimps (which are so morphologically dissimilar that they were placed in separate families until scientists discovered how similar they were genetically).

It has been calculated (Arbiza, 2006; Yu 2006; Donaldson & Gottgens 2006; Kehrer-Sawatzki & Cooper 2007) that a mere 340 beneficial mutations would have been sufficient to transform the common ancestor of man and chimp into a human being, according to biologist Ian Musgrave of Panda’s Thumb. (That’s 240 mutations in protein-coding genes and 100 in regulatory genes.) By contrast, the number of (mostly neutral) mutations occurring in the human lineage is thought to have been about 22.5 million. In other words, the neutral mutations in our lineage outnumber the beneficial mutations by about 100,000 to 1. The vast majority of genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees have nothing to do with survival, or evolutionary fitness.

Could 340 beneficial mutations have been enough to make us human?

Dr. Hunter is aware of this argument, but he doesn’t find it convincing:

Not only is evolution limited to tiny genetic modifications to create the human, but the majority of those modifications would have had to be of little or no consequence…

…[The authors of a 2005 paper on the chimpanzee-human genome comparisons] were forced to conclude that most of the mutations affecting protein-coding genes led to “neutral and slightly deleterious alleles.” So not only are evolution’s random mutation resources meager, in terms of both quality and quantity as explained above, but even worse, those mutations mostly led to “neutral and slightly deleterious alleles.”

That’s right. According to current evolutionary thinking, most of the mutations separating us from chimps were inconsequential, from a survival perspective. A relatively small number of changes – in fact, a mere 340 – made all the difference.

Now, you might be inclined to say: “That’s ridiculous!” Fine. My response is: prove it. You can’t just rely on intuition, because intuition is not infallible. To illustrate my point, consider a transition which dwarfs even the metamorphosis from an ape-like creature to a human being: the transformation from a land animal to a whale. Ask yourself: how many steps would have been required to accomplish this change? Biochemist Larry Moran has an answer for you: “Evolutionary biologists who have spent their entire careers studying evolution, genetics, and developmental biology are comfortable with a few thousand mutations causing the transformation from land animals to whales.” Crazy? That’s what I thought too, when I saw the figure. But if you do the calculations, it turns out that a few thousand mutations might be enough after all, for reasons I discussed in a recent post.

Is there any evidence for natural selection operating on the human brain?

Next, Dr. Hunter argues that the only evidence for natural selection in the human genome relates to relatively trivial functions like smell and hearing, and that there’s no evidence for natural selection operating on the human brain:

When evolutionists search for genes in the human genome that do show signs of selection, rather than neutral drift (again, under the assumption of evolution), they find only a limited repertoire of functionality. For example, one study found genes involved in the sense of smell, in digestion, in hairiness and in hearing. In other words, evolution is suggesting that we differ from the chimp mainly in those functions. It is a silly conclusion and another problem for Swamidass to explain.

Dr. Hunter neglects to inform his readers that the study he cited is a very old one: it goes back to 2003. What’s more, the study included an important disclaimer: “This study has focused only on protein-coding genes, and it will require examination of regulatory sequences to determine the contribution of regulation of gene expression to the evolutionary divergence between humans and chimps.” A more recent paper by Capra et al., published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B in 2013, reveals that out of the 2649 non-coding human accelerated regions (ncHARs) which they analyzed in the human genome, about 30% (or 773) function as developmental enhancers, and that using a prediction tool known as EnhancerFinder, the scientists predicted that “251 of the 773 ncHAR enhancer candidates are active in brain development, 194 are active in limb development and 39 are active in heart development.” It turned out that among the validated enhancers, brain enhancers were actually the most common. So much for Dr. Hunter’s claim that the functions identified by scientists in which humans differ from chimps mainly relate to the sense of smell, digestion, hairiness and hearing.

A molecular clock that ticks at different rates in different regions of the human genome

But Dr. Hunter has more up his sleeve. This time, he quotes from a paper dating back to 2005, which found that nucleotide divergence rates are not constant across the human genome. In other words, the molecular clock ticks at a different rate at different places:

That 2005 paper also found a host of chimp-human comparisons that are nonsensical on evolution… For example, if you look at large segments of DNA, which are corresponding in the human and the chimp, you find unexplainable variations in the chimp-human differences…The usual explanatory devices do not work, so evolutionists are left only with the claim that local variations in the mutation rate did it—which amounts to special pleading…

Hang on a minute. How big are the differences we’re talking about here? Are we talking about a ten-fold difference between divergence rates across the genome? Nope. Not even close. A five-fold difference, perhaps? Wrong again. To see what Dr. Hunter is talking about, take a look at this graph. It shows that the overall difference between human and chimp DNA is about 1.2%. If we compare different chromosomes, we find that the difference is slightly higher on some chromosomes than others. And that’s all. If we look at the median figures for chromosome pairs 1 to 22, we find that the genetic difference between humans and chimps varies from about 1.1% to a little under 1.4%. The authors were a little surprised that there was even that much variation, and they wrote: “The average divergence in 1-Mb segments [of the genome – VJT] fluctuates with a standard deviation of 0.25%, which is much greater than the 0.02% expected assuming a uniform divergence rate.” To recap: the study’s authors reported that the mean divergence between human and chimp DNA is 1.2%, and if the molecular clock ticked at a uniform rate across the genome, then the authors would have expected relatively slight variations in this divergence. Instead, they found fluctuations with a standard deviation of 0.25%, which is still insignificant compared to the mean divergence of 1.2%. In other words: so what? Dr. Hunter is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Local variations in the genetic divergence rate between humans and chimps

Dr. Hunter continues:

The supposed divergence rate between chimps and humans not only has an unexplainable variation in large, 1-Mb segments of DNA, it also has an unexplainable variation towards the ends of most chromosomes. This is another problem that seems to make no sense on evolution, which Swamidass must explain.

But that’s not all.

This supposed divergence rate between chimps and humans also has an unexplainable variation that correlates with chromosomal banding. Again, this makes no sense on evolution. Why should the chimp-human divergence vary with the banding pattern? Evolutionists have only just-so stories to imagine why this would have happened, and it is another problem for Swamidass to address.

So, how much of a variation are we talking about here? If we look at the graph provided by the authors of the study, we see that even near telomeres (the ends of chromosomes), the level of divergence between human and chimp DNA never gets above 2.1%, and elsewhere in the genome, it never falls below 1.0%. In other words, we’re talking about a two-fold variation in the rate at which the molecular clock ticks, in the worst possible case. Earth-shattering, isn’t it?

Dr. Hunter wonders why the level of chimp-human genetic divergence would vary with the chromosomal banding pattern, and why it would be higher near the ends of chromosomes, if humans evolved. Short answer: I don’t know, and neither do the study’s authors. But I’d like to ask Dr. Hunter a question: can he account for these facts, on a creationist account of origins? He can’t. In other words, what we have is a curious fact which neither evolution nor creation explains well, and which is fatal to neither theory – or putting it more succinctly, much ado about nothing.

Can evolution account for the dissimilarities in rat and mouse genomes?

But Dr. Hunter thinks he has another ace up his sleeve: the fact that the genetic difference between mice and rats is about 10 times greater than that between humans and chimps.

This supposed divergence rate between chimps and humans is not consistent with the supposed divergence rate between the mouse and rat. The mouse-rat divergence is about an order of magnitude greater than the chimp-human divergence. And yet the mouse and rat are much more similar than the chimp and human. It makes no sense on evolution. In fact, before the rat genome was determined, evolutionists predicted it would be highly similar to the mouse genome…

The prediction that the mouse and rat genomes would be highly similar made sense according to evolution. But it was dramatically wrong.

Dr. Hunter is right on one point: scientists were at first surprised to discover that the genetic difference between rats and mice was so large. That’s because they based their prediction on the morphological differences between rats and mice, which are relatively small, and inferred that the genetic difference would be small, too. That was a big mistake, for reasons explained above: the vast majority of the genetic differences between any two species are neutral or near-neutral mutations, which dwarf beneficial mutations by a factor of about 100,000 to 1. However, the fossils tell a different story: rats and mice diverged at least 14 million years ago, compared with 6 or 7 million years for humans and chimps. And when scientists calculate the time of divergence using genetic differences, they arrive at a median figure of 17.9 million years ago for the date when rats and mice diverged, versus 6.2 million years ago for the split between humans and chimps, according to timetree.org. I’d say that tallies reasonably well with the fossil record. And I don’t say that lightly: I have in the past been highly critical of inconsistencies in the molecular clock, which I highlighted in a post written four years ago. There is still a lot we don’t know, and alert readers will have noticed that current estimates of the date when humans and chimps diverged vary considerably, as this graph reveals. Nevertheless, the vast majority of the estimates lie between four and nine million years ago, so we’re talking about a two-fold variation, which is still far less than even one order of magnitude. That’s annoying, but scientists can live with it, just as astronomers back in the 1970s and 1980s were able to live with the fact that the age of the universe lay somewhere between 10 and 20 billion years, depending on the method you used to measure it. (They’ve now concluded that it’s 13.8 billion years old.)

Dr. Hunter’s last stand

But Dr. Hunter believes he has one more argument that will demolish the case for human evolution:

The mouse-rat divergence date is estimated by evolutionists to be older than the chimp-human divergence date. Furthermore, the lifespan and generation time for mice and rats are much shorter than for chimps and humans. From this perspective, and given these two effects, one would conclude that the mouse-rat genetic divergence should be much greater—at least two orders of magnitude greater—than the chimp-human genetic divergence. But it isn’t. It is only about one order of magnitude greater.

Wrong. As we’ve seen, mice and rats diverged around 18 million years ago, compared with around six million years ago for humans and chimps. That’s a three-fold difference. What about the effects of generation time on the molecular clock? Soojin Yi addresses this point in her 2013 paper, “Neutrality and Molecular Clocks,” which I cited above:

Wu & Li (1985) were the first to test the generation-time effect hypothesis using DNA sequence data. They used data from 11 genes of primates and rodents. Since primates have a much longer generation time than rodents do, the molecular clock should be faster in rodents compared to primates. Indeed, they found that for synonymous sites, rodents show approximately two times the rate of molecular evolution when compared to primates (Wu & Li 1985). For nonsynonymous sites however, such an effect was not found. In other words, the neutral molecular clock, but not the amino acid molecular clock, ticks faster in the rodent lineage compared to the primate lineage, which fits well with the idea of a generation-time effect.

So the neutral molecular clock ticks twice as fast for rats and mice as it does for primates. Multiply that by the three-fold difference between the 18-million-year-old mouse-rat divergence date estimated by evolutionists and the 6-million-year-old human-chimp divergence date, and you get an expected level of genetic divergence which is just six times greater – and not two orders of magnitude (or 100 times) greater, as calculated by Dr. Hunter. This figure of a six-fold difference comports well with the ten-fold genetic divergence reported by Professor Swamidass in footnote 2 of his article: at least 15% of the codons in rats and mice are different, compared with less than 1.5% in humans and chimps.

Conclusion

There is a lot that we still don’t know about human origins. I accept that. But it would be foolish to deny that the scientific evidence points clearly to our having shared a common ancestor with the chimpanzee. Such a conclusion is in no way at odds with Intelligent Design.

What do readers think?

UPDATE:

Readers may wish to peruse the following articles, written in response to my post and to Professor Swamidass’s article, “Evidence and Evolution”:

A Response to VJTorley by Dr. Cornelius Hunter.
One Long Argument — Responding to VJ Torley on Human-Ape Common Descent by Dr. Cornelius Hunter.
Of Tree Rings and Humans by David Klinghoffer.
Debating Common Ancestry by John West.

Professor Swamidass has also written a follow-up article:
Call for Response to the Tree.

I also wrote a short comment in response to Professor Swamidass’s article, “Evidence for Evolution”, which has recently been updated with an FAQ section:

Hi Dr. Swamidass,

Thank you very much for your kind remarks about my post on Uncommon Descent.

I’d just like to comment briefly on what you said about Dr. Hunter in the FAQ:

“Third, I do believe that Dr. Hunter is not being intentionally deceptive or manipulative. I believe he is making a good faith effort, to the best of his abilities, to engage the evidence I have raised.”

I would like to endorse what you said. I pulled no punches in my post, and on a few occasions, I did criticize Dr. Hunter for relying on flawed arguments. I also wrote that he “neglects to inform” his readers on a couple of basic points. For the record, I wish to make it quite clear that I am not accusing Dr. Hunter of being intentionally deceptive. All of us are, at times, guilty of an unintentional bias towards arguments that we personally favor, and it is all too easy to ignore what we might perceive as very minor or trivial problems in these arguments, when presenting them to an audience. That was what I had in mind when I wrote about Dr. Hunter’s “neglect.”

Despite my differences with Dr. Hunter, I have the greatest respect for him as a Christian, and I would like to thank him for his forbearance and courtesy.

Likewise, when I referred to Dr. Hunter in my post as believing he had an ace up his sleeve, I was not implying that he was resorting to any sleight-of-hand or trickery. Rather, I was using the term in the sense in which the Cambridge English dictionary defines it: secret knowledge or a secret skill that will give you an advantage.

For the record, I believe Dr. Hunter to be an honest man. And I apologize for any pain or distress suffered by Dr. Hunter as a result of reading my post. I wish him well.

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Origenes: I cannot speak for VJ Torley, but I don't think that he means that CD is unguided. I believe that, like me, he conceives CD as designed CD. Why do you think that his sentence: "it would be foolish to deny that the scientific evidence points clearly to our having shared a common ancestor with the chimpanzee" is not compatible with both chimps and humans being designed? I find no contradiction. You say: "Isn’t it obvious that similarities only point in the direction of a common ancestor if we assume blind watchmaker evolution to be true?" Why? It does not seem obvious to me. A designer who acts on some existing species can certainly modify it by some form of biological engineering transforming it into another, new species. In that case, the new species is designed, but we can certainly say that the original species is an ancestor. IOWs, we have descent with designed modifications. But descent it is, anyway. I am always amazed that so many people think that the similarities are the real argument for CD. That's not really true. Similarities can be explained quite well by both Common Descent and Common Design. It's the differences which are the strongest argument for CD. Not the functional differences, which obviously can and must be interpreted as new design. But the neutral differences, the neutral variation in sequences which retain their functionality. That is the true strong argument for common descent. So many proteins remain similar throughout natural history, and yet we can observe growing divergence, neutral divergence, roughly proportional to the chronological separation between species. IOWs, proteins change because of neutral variation, as far as the change does not significantly affect their function. We see that happening in human populations. Different sequences which do not affect the functionality can be observed as variation or polymorphisms. Blood groups and HLA antigens are examples of polymorphisms in humans. That kind of genetic variation is inherited. Not only in in one species, but apparently also between species. And that is a very strong argument for common descent. So, to sum it up, when we compare the genomes, and especially protein sequences, between different species, we can find: 1) Similarities, which are usually considered as a sign of conserved functionality, and which in principle can be explained as CD or as Common Design. 2) Functional differences, which IMO are best explained as new design (while neo darwinists will try to explain them as the result of RV + NS). 3) Neutral variation, which is best explained as CD. IMO, CD is very probably true, and the best explanation for what we observe. It is not necessarily universal, and it is probably different from any official model or tree of life. And, above all, it is designed Common Descent: the functional differences, those that make a new species, are designed. The similarities, and neutral variation, and even some forms of "errors" which are transmitted through evolutionary time, are the best signature of the physical connection and derivation of different biological designs.gpuccio
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Andre@10: Excellent comment. Whenever Darwinists bring up the genetic similarity between humans and apes (about 97percent), I challenge them to focus on the remaining three percent. That's where the magic occurs. And, oh, what a difference it makes. Of course, they never have scientific answers for where that massive amount of new information came from, only broad, sweeping statements of faith based upon atheistic philosophical assumptions.Truth Will Set You Free
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Andre, Against my better judgement, I will attempt a short reply to your question. "Even if our genomes are 99% identical to chimp’s you still have to be able to explain the astronomical 30 000 000 base pair differences that became fixed in a very short 6 000 000 years. I am specifically interested in how the sexual reproductive systems managed to cope during these incredibly quick changes in such a short evolutionary timescale." Out of the gate, in what world is 6 million years a short time? That is an absurdly long time. Our subject understanding of what is short and long, anyways, is besides the point. It is really just a matter of math. Let me show you the formula. The basic pattern is that we multiply the number of generations between us and chimpanzees (by way of the common ancestor) times the number of mutations we see per generation along each leg. To be clear, we can directly measure the number of mutations we see per generation in human and chimps as a starting point, so we are not just pulling numbers out of the air. Of course generation time is more complicated, but for most of human history was probably less than 20 years. You get your basic estimates for all of these terms (easily obtained from the literature), and compute how many mutations you expect. You can work this the other way around. Using your numbers (which are a bit off), we can see that there are 2 * 6M -> 12M years of mutations between us and chimpanzees. There are 30M mutations, so that means we are seeing about 0.4 mutations per year. For generation times of about 20 years, we get about 8 mutations per generation, which is absurdly close to the experimentally determined generation mutation rate for humans (about 10 per generation). That is absurdly close for a "back of the envelope" calculation. Any discrepancies are easily explained by errors in your numbers, or slight shifts over time. Better formulas only improve on these results. Why did God make us this way? Does this mean that we have a common ancestor? Not exactly. When you add back in God, anything is possible. Still, somehow, He chose to create so that we look like we have a common ancestor. Why?Prof. S. Joshua Swamidass
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Gpuccio: I strongly suggest that we try to avoid the unqualified word “evolution” in our debates, because that is one of the main causes of confusion.
I second that. And I am confused about VJTorley's position. What is implied when he speaks of an argument in support to the hypothesis of common descent? Does Torley mean in support of unguided blind watchmaker evolution? No, Torley does not mean that and that's why he writes:
VJTorley: Such a conclusion [common descent] is in no way at odds with Intelligent Design.
Okay, but why does he write this:
VJTorley: (...) it would be foolish to deny that the scientific evidence points clearly to our having shared a common ancestor with the chimpanzee.
If humans and chimpanzees are designed, why would similarities "clearly" point to the existence of a common ancestor? It seems clear to me that it does not. What would prevent a designer from making a human from chimpanzee materials? Isn't it obvious that similarities only point in the direction of a common ancestor if we assume blind watchmaker evolution to be true? If so, then why is Torley saying what he is saying?Origenes
May 13, 2016
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I think as or perhaps even more important is the extension of olive branches from Torley to Hunter, Hunter to Swamidass, Swamidass to Hunter, Hunter to Torley, Torley to Torley, Hunter to Torley to Swamidass to Hunter, Swamidass to Ram Dass and Hunter to Swamidass back to Hunter to Torley back to Hunter followed by a swing pass to Swamidass who takes it in for the touchdown....lpadron
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Dr Torley Please don't tell me it's gene duplication, because to hold it true you would have to agree with the notion that we are just the result of a huge amount of copy errors. Are we the result of a bunch of copy errors?Andre
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Dr Torley and Prof Swamidass I have a challenge for you, instead of making a case and explaining the similarities how about explaining the differences? Even if our genomes are 99% identical to chimp's you still have to be able to explain the astronomical 30 000 000 base pair differences that became fixed in a very short 6 000 000 years. I am specifically interested in how the sexual reproductive systems managed to cope during these incredibly quick changes in such a short evolutionary timescale. Making babies is easy but the systems for sexual reproduction is extremely precise. P.S. Dr Torley why is it that these artistic impressions of our supposed ancestors are always created with human eyes? Like the one in your article? Here is another example http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/08/article-2623485-1DAAF59600000578-267_634x475.jpg And another http://theresilientearth.com/files/images-2012/paranthropus_robustus.jpg And another http://www.dkfindout.com/us/history/stone-age/tool-makers/ And another http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56/sub360/item1491.html What's up with that?Andre
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Swamidass: Evolutionary biology predicts that placental mammals descend from egg-laying ancestors, however – and one good line of evidence in support of that hypothesis (among many) is that placental mammals, humans included, have the remains of vitellogenin gene sequences in their genomes.
This fails as a convincing argument for blind watchmaker evolution, because: (1). Blind watchmaker evolution cannot produce vitellogenin gene sequences. (2). The argument that vitellogenin gene sequences in human DNA are vestigial, is made wrt an area for which a scientific overall concept is lacking: embryo development. Sure, some details are discovered, but there is no overall naturalistic bottom-up explanation of embryo development that makes sense. For one thing developmental biologists have shown that membrane patterns, not encoded by DNA, play a crucial role in the embryological development of fruit flies. (3). Claims of vestigiality didn't fare well in the past — e.g. here.Origenes
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VJ: I will not discuss the specifics of Swamidass' article, Hunter's criticism, your OP and Hunter's reply just posted here. I would like just to discuss briefly the real problems which are IMO behind the whole discussion. We have already discussed those points in the past, and you certainly know my position (which is probably similar enough to yours). However, I believe that some aspects need to be restated once in a while. The whole problem, as we well know is common descent. Now, while trying to respect the positions of all involved, let's try at least to be clear about the differences. 1) Common descent in itself means simply that living beings share common ancestors. Universal common descent means that all living beings are supposed to share some common ancestor. The important point is the following: common descent in itself implies nothing about the origin of biological information in living beings. 2) Neo darwinists usually conflate common descent with the neo darwinian theory about the origin of biological information,which is, according to their theory, RV + NS. In that sense, CD is a necessary part of their theory (it is really difficult to imagine how RV + NS could work without CD). But their theory is: CD + RV + NS and nothing else. IOWs, as they usually say, descent with modifications. Or, more precisely, descent with random modifications followed by natural selection as the only explanation of all biological information. 3) The word "evolution" is usually used in the most ambiguous way, on both sides. Usually it means "the whole package" (CD + RV + NS and nothing else). Other times, it is used just to mean CD, or descent with modifications without any other implication. I strongly suggest that we try to avoid the unqualified word "evolution" in our debates, because that is one of the main causes of confusion. 4) ID is the theory which requires design (the intervention of some conscious intelligent purposeful being) to explain biological information, at least in its complex forms. There may be different ID theories, but they should all include the necessity of design to explain complex functional information. 5) It is probably true that many, maybe most, in the ID field, at least if we judge from what is posted here, reject both the neo darwinist explanation as a whole (CD + RV + NS and nothing else) and the idea of CD in itself. However, there are many exceptions, Behe and yourself and me among the others. 6) Whatever position one chooses, the fact remains that ID theory and the rejection of CD are not connected. 7) While CD is necessary for the neo darwinian theory, its rejection is absolutely not necessary for ID theory. Indeed, I have always stated that CD is not only compatible with ID theory, but also a strong support to it. Indeed, almost all the arguments which I have made here for ID theory are based on the assumtpion of CD. 8) That said, anyone of free to reject CD. There are certainly possible reasons to do that, and I will not consider those which depend on metaphysical or religious convictions. As usual, I will limit my discussion to the scientific aspect. 9) The important point, however, is that the arguments against CD are completely different from the arguments against the neo darwinian theory about the origin of information. So much so that, as I have already said, I am firmly convinced that CD is the best assumption to falsify the neo darwinian theory. 10) My personal opinion, many times expressed here, is that: a) The scientific evidence against the neo darwinian theory and in favor of ID is overwhelming. b) The scientific evidence for CD (not necessarily universal, and not necessarily in the specific forms which are believed today) is very strong. c) There are some scientific arguments against CD, or more probably against universal CD or against specific models of CD, which have some validity. However, IMO, it is difficult to deny that at present the explanatory power for observed data of any theory which completely rejects CD is rather weak. 11) The really important conclusion is: rejecting CD is not the same thing as defending ID. The two things are not connected, and anyway, the arguments implied are completely different. Conflating the two things can only weaken the ID position: indeed, it's rather obviously the favorite sport of neo darwinists. Therefore, I strongly invite all those in the ID field to accept or reject CD as they like, and to debate according to their conviction, but possibly not conflating the two problems or the arguments used to discuss each one of them.gpuccio
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Swamidass: A common lawyerly objection to this evidence is that these similarities are “equally” explained by common “design.”
Swamidass is correct to question the equality of the explanations. For one thing, blind watchmaker evolution has not been shown to be able to produce the kind of information contained in DNA and proteins. Intelligent design is the only known source of this kind of information. So, indeed, from a scientific perspective, with respect to explanatory power, common design and common descent — by means of blind watchmaker evolution — are not on equal footing.Origenes
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I definitely side with Dr Hunter. Dr. Swamidass advocates just "common descent" witout clearly stating what kind of process could have led to the existence of humans as we are. What has to be explained are differences.Unless you can provide a sound account of the origin of the traits that make us specificly different beings you are just incurring (as Dr Swamidass does) in the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. More, Dr Swamidass presents a darwinian gen-centrist explanation of what biological "forms" are that we allready know is far from being appropriate to give account of the true essence of living organisms. Dr Hunter criticism points to the fact that gen similarities can not be presented as evidence for naturalistic evolution, and I think his point is not only perfectly legitimate but something that has to be addressed. To clarify the debate, I would ask Dr Swamidass. Do you mean, when advocating of common descent, that naturalistic unguided occurrences are a sufficient scientific explanation of the evolution of an ape-like ancestor into modern human beings?Anaxagoras
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We look exactly like primates. so to not have like genes/dna would be a radical overthrow of genetics surely. We look exactly alike because we were given the same body. What other type of body on earth could man be given? A eagle. Not good for driving. Hunters criticisms are against the same presumptions we always meet in those defending evolution. probably the full stance of the researcher was missed. i thought he was just another evolutionist. he is not the same crowd. anyways the bible says man was made in gods image. Not our body. that is in the common blueprint for all biology. lips, butt. ears etc. God doesn't have those. Seeing our likeness in form/dna is not evidence for common descent. its just a line of reasoning because other options were not included. what if the bible clearly spelled this out.Robert Byers
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However, Professor Swamidass never claims in his article that human beings originated via a blind process. As I mentioned above, he’s a scientist who is a Christian. His sole aim, in writing the article, was to show creationists that there is a wealth of scientific evidence supporting the claim that human beings and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor. Nothing in that claim stipulates the mechanism whereby humans arose: it may have been a guided process or an unguided one."
What does it mean to share a common ancestor? Do you mean that there was a split 6 million years ago and we came about through natural variation. If this is true how would you account for all the novel proteins, epigenetic timing differences and the different alternative splicing sequences. How would you account for the 2500 AA difference in the length of the titan protein?bill cole
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And one more thing. Several theologians are thinking of responding to my question. Check out this link. http://swami.wustl.edu/call-response-tree . Is there anyone in your network (or yourself) that would like to respond?swamidass
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Vincent, thank you for actually reading my article and recognizing it for what it was meant to be: an olive branch. I'm not linking back to you from my site, and you have gained a friend. I would also point out that ENV decided to post Dr. Hunter's further critiques (http://www.evolutionnews.org/2016/05/stunning_eviden102837.html). Maybe they might publish your rejoinder?swamidass
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"Why do humans and chimps share such similar genomes, while the genomes of humans and mice differ so dramatically (see Mouse Genome Sequencing Consortium 2002)?" Is that a typo? Shouldn't it be "genomes of rats and mice"?DebianFanatic
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