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One common objection which is often raised regarding the proposition of real design (as opposed to design that is only apparent) is the criticism that design is unable to be falsified by the ruthless rigour of empirical scrutiny. Science, we are told, must restrict its explanatory devices to material causes. This criterion of conformity to materialism as a requisite for scientific merit is an unfortunate consequence of a misconstrual of the principal of uniformitarianism with respect to the historical sciences. Clearly, a proposition – if it is to be considered properly scientific – must constrict its scope to categories of explanation with which we have experience. It is this criterion which allows a hypothesis to be evaluated and contrasted with our experience of that causal entity. Explanatory devices should not be abstract, lying beyond the scope of our uniform and sensory experience of cause-and-effect.

This, naturally, brings us on to the question of what constitutes a material cause. Are all causes, which we have experience with, reducible to the material world and the interaction of chemical reactants? It lies as fundamentally axiomatic to rationality that we be able to detect the presence of other minds. This is what C.S. Lewis described as “inside knowledge”. Being rational agents ourselves, we have an insider’s knowledge of what it is to be rational – what it is to be intelligent. We know that it is possible for rational beings to exist and that such agents leave behind them detectable traces of their activity. Consciousness is a very peculiar entity. Consciousness interacts with the material world, and is detectable by its effects – but is it material itself? I have long argued in favour of substance dualism – that is, the notion that the mind is itself not reducible to the material and chemical constituents of the brain, nor is it reducible to the dual forces of chance and necessity which together account for much of the other phenomena in our experience. Besides the increasing body of scientific evidence which lends support to this view, I have long pondered whether it is possible to rationally reconcile the concept of human autonomy (free will) and materialistic reductionism with respect to the mind. I have thus concluded that free will exists (arguing otherwise leads to irrationality or reductio ad absurdum) and that hence materialism – at least with respect to the nature of consciousness – must be false if rationality is to be maintained.

My reasoning can be laid out as follows:

1: If atheism is true, then so is materialism.

2: If materialism is true, then the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain.

3: If the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain, then human autonomy and consciousness are illusory because our free choices are determined by the dual forces of chance and necessity.

4: Human autonomy exists.

From 3 & 4,

5: Therefore, the mind is not reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain.

From 2 & 5,

6: Therefore, materialism is false.

From 1 & 6,

7: Therefore, atheism is false.

Now, where does this leave us? Since we have independent reason to believe that the mind is not reducible to material constituents, materialistic explanations for the effects of consciousness are not appropriate explanatory devices. How does mind interact with matter? Such a question cannot be addressed in terms of material causation because the mind is not itself a material entity, although in human agents it does interact with the material components of the brain on which it exerts its effects. The immaterial mind thus interacts with the material brain to bring about effects which are necessary for bodily function. Without the brain, the mind is powerless to bring about its effects on the body. But that is not to say that the mind is a component of the brain.

We have further independent reason to expect a non-material cause when discussing the question of the origin of the Universe. Being an explanation for the existence of the natural realm itself – complete with its contingent natural laws and mathematical expressions – natural law, with which we have experience, cannot be invoked as an explanatory factor without reasoning in a circle (presupposing the prior existence of the entity which one is attempting to account for). When faced with explanatory questions with respect to particular phenomena, then, the principle of methodological materialism breaks down because we possess independent philosophical reason to suppose the existence of a supernatural (non-material) cause.

Material causes are uniformly reducible to the mechanisms and processes of chance (randomness) and necessity (law). Since mind is reducible to neither of those processes, we must introduce a third category of explanation – that is, intelligence.

When we look around the natural world, we can distinguish between those objects which can be readily accounted for by the dual action of chance and necessity, and those that cannot. We often ascribe such latter phenomena to agency. It is the ability to detect the activity of such rational deliberation that is foundational to the ID argument.

Should ID be properly regarded as a scientific theory? Yes and no. While ID theorists have not yet outlined a rigorous scientific hypothesis as far as the mechanistic process of the development of life (at least not one which has attracted a large body of support), ID is, in its essence, a scientific proposition – subject to the criteria of empirical testability and falsifiability. To arbitrarily exclude such a conclusion from science’s explanatory toolkit is to fundamentally truncate a significant portion of reality – like trying to limit oneself to material processes of randomness and law when attempting to explain the construction of a computer operating system.

Since rational deliberation characteristically leaves patterns which are distinguishable from those types of patterns which are left by non-intelligent processes, why is design so often shunned as a non-scientific explanation – as a ‘god-of-the-gaps’ style argument? Assuredly, if Darwinism is to be regarded as a mechanism which attempts to explain the appearance of design by non-intelligent processes (albeit hitherto unsuccessfully), it follows by extension that real design must be regarded as a viable candidate explanation. To say otherwise is to erect arbitrary parameters of what constitutes a valid explanation and what doesn’t. It is this arbitrarily constraints on explanation which leads to dogmatism and ideology – which, I think, we can all agree is not the goal or purpose of the scientific enterprise.

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I'm a bit late into this discussion, but just a few comments on the first 4 premises:
1) If atheism is true, then so is materialism.
Why shouldn't atheists believe in the existence of abstract objects - like numbers, for example?
2) If materialism is true, then the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain.
(I’ll assume you mean “reducible” in the ontological sense here, not the epistemological sense.) But ontologically speaking, I don’t see why this follows. Why can’t a material entity have irreducible immaterial properties (like mental properties)? This is the majority position in the philosophy of mind today. (AKA ‘property dualism’). You could argue that property dualism isn't compatible with materialism. But bear in mind that property dualists are still substance monists.
3) If the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain, then human autonomy and consciousness are illusory because our free choices are determined by the dual forces of chance and necessity.
Yes, I agree.
4) Human autonomy exists.
If you mean *libertarian* free will, I have to disagree. Having studied it in depth lately, I think it’s an incoherent notion that undermines human rationality. Libertarian free will requires an agent not to have his choices causally determined by anything – not even reasons. But if a choice is not determined, ultimately, by an agent’s reasons, then ultimately made for no reason at all. And this is irrationality at its best. So the best way to defend human rationality is by adopting a compatibilist definition of freedom, where choices are causally determined by reasons, and agents always have the power to do what they want to do.Green
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I'm not all that concerned about civility. I'm presuming you're taking a roughly Moorean stance on free will, such that you can dismiss any argument against libertarian free will as wrong because any premises are likely to be less likely than the denial of libertarian free will. I think this Moorean stance is wrong. All the data we have is compatible with libertarian free will, apart from strong convictions which can be well explained by facts other than the existence of libertarian free will.Daguerreotype Process
August 15, 2010
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Daguerreotype Process, were I to tell you, and everyone reading this thread, that you are a fool and a liar (there is a bit of redundancy between the two), would it have been material necessity which caused me to say it, or would it have been a freely chosen act of will? Now, if you deny that it would have been a freely chosen act of will, then I shall call you a fool and a liar ... and, I predict that you shall respond by whinning about "incivility" or some other meaningless nonsense.Ilion
August 15, 2010
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For, “chance” has absolutely no causal power whatsoever.
Contra the most common interpretation of quantum mechanics? There's no logical inconsistency in positing a random event having causal powers.Daguerreotype Process
August 15, 2010
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With materialism, the denial that we ourselves exist isn’t a premise of the -ism, but rather inescapably follows from its premises. So, while materialism *is* irrational, one must be willing to critically examine it to see its inherent and inescapable irrationality.
Depends what you mean by "we ourselves". By no extent does materialism deny that self-experiencing organisms exist. So far as I can tell you're tying the notion of libertarian free will into the notion of self, and therefore begging the question by concluding that anything without libertarian free will isn't a self.Daguerreotype Process
August 15, 2010
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JMcL: "Material causes are uniformly reducible to the mechanisms and processes of chance (randomness) and necessity (law). Since mind is reducible to neither of those processes, we must introduce a third category of explanation – that is, intelligence." Actually, material causes are *not* "reducible to the mechanisms and processes of chance (randomness) and necessity (law)," but only "to the mechanisms and processes of []necessity (law)." For, "chance" has absolutely no causal power whatsoever. As you point out, mind is not reducible to physical/material necessity; that is, mind is itself. Minds -- being agents -- are able to introduce new causal-chains into the web/matrix of material causality. Agents are free to act; everything which is not an agent merely reacts.Ilion
August 15, 2010
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Why not? Every thing said couldn’t have been otherwise. We would never even know anything objectively, as if we stood outside of the current of determinism, even to know that we were determined. Knowing that you’re completely determined is logically impossible, for you could never step outside to know anything objectively. Determinism breaks down with the problem of real knowledge and what constitutes sufficient grounds of knowledge and one’s vantage point for how this knowledge is obtained.
Determinism is compatible with foundationalism, coherentism, naturalism, externalism, internalism, empiricism, rationalism and any other epistemological viewpoint I know of. Why do we need to step outside of determinism to have our beliefs be accurate, and what element of real knowledge requires libertarian free will?Daguerreotype Process
August 15, 2010
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JMcL: "1: If atheism is true, then so is materialism." peachykeen: "This premise is clearly false, as most atheists are not materialists (they are actually Buddhists) and materialism does not necessarily follow from atheism ..." Daguerreotype Process: "This doesn’t strike me as true - what about certain strands of Buddhists, spiritualists, or property dualists such as David Chalmers and John Searle? A theistic God isn’t the only alternative to materialism. ..." Buddhists are even more immediately irrational than materialists are -- for Buddhism explicitly denies that we exist ... and, apparently, that anything at all exists. With materialism, the denial that we ourselves exist isn't a premise of the -ism, but rather inescapably follows from its premises. So, while materialism *is* irrational, one must be willing to critically examine it to see its inherent and inescapable irrationality. AND the argument presented here isn't about 'atheists,' it's about what logically follows from atheism, that is, from God-denial. The argument isn't about whatever ad hoc mish-mash of contradictory propositions this or that God-denier may choose to graft onto his God-denial in a vain attempt to ward of its inherent irrationality, it's about the God-denial itself. JMcL: "1: If atheism is true, then so is materialism." This would be better expressed as "1: IF atheism is true, AND the material/physical world exists, THEN materialism is true." It's even better expressed as: "GIVEN the reality of the natural/physical/material world, IF atheism were indeed the truth about the nature of reality, THEN everything which exists and/or transpires must be wholely reducible, without remainder, to purely physical/material states and causes." ... as I explore here: You Cannot Reason.Ilion
August 15, 2010
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There are a few points one could make but I will limit myself to one. The constraint to exclude real design (intelligent agency as an explanation) is not arbitrary but something people would agree on prior to making any observations about the world. You would agree an it because intelligent agency could account for any possible observation. The reason why you can't change this agreement later is the same why Rawls proposed the concept of original position.second opinion
August 15, 2010
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peachykeen,
But if “we” can react (and somehow override) physical and environmental influences, then they aren’t really influences at all are?
The word influence is distinct from the word compulsion for a reason, and that reason is that things that can influence us can have an impact on us without forcing us. You might want to let the implications of the word "influence" sit with you for a bit.Clive Hayden
August 15, 2010
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Daguerreotype Process,
Everything being determined doesn’t entail nothing objective being able to be said about the world.
Why not? Every thing said couldn't have been otherwise. We would never even know anything objectively, as if we stood outside of the current of determinism, even to know that we were determined. Knowing that you're completely determined is logically impossible, for you could never step outside to know anything objectively. Determinism breaks down with the problem of real knowledge and what constitutes sufficient grounds of knowledge and one's vantage point for how this knowledge is obtained. Clive Hayden
August 15, 2010
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peachykeen: But if “we” can react (and somehow override) physical and environmental influences, then they aren’t really influences at all are? By the very fact that we can have “veto power” over such influences means that we have the capability of immunity to them. No, again that's not right. The influences remain influences, and do determine the range of our possible responses. But still we have a range of possible responses. We have no "veto power", but we have the power to respond in different ways, even probably slighltly different ways in most cases. That's free will, and the influences remain influences, and cannot be simply "denied". What we see is that the unconscious will is primary, and has complete influence upon the conscious will. And the unconscious will, is in turn influenced by the environment. I would not accept your distinction between "conscious" and "unconscious" will. For me consciousness expresses itself at various levels, and what we usually recognize as conscious mind is only a part of those expressions. But always it is consciousness. Conscious processes, even subconscious ones, are never completely "unconscious". At what level free will really operates remains open to debate, but I would suggest that it usually does not operate exclusively, probably not even mainly, at the level that we usually call "conscious mind". And, for the reasons stated at the previous point, the subconscious mind too is certainly influenced by circumstances, and yet it can express free will.gpuccio
August 15, 2010
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For those interested in philosophy of mind, my senior paper in seminary (kind of like a mini-thesis) talks about reasons to not believe in physicalism, and also provides a suggested way to model non-physical causation in cognitive modeling. Anyone who wants a copy can email me at jonathan@bartlettpublishing.com. A very shortened version which only talks about the non-physical methodology for cognitive modeling is available in abstract C2 in this years' BSG proceedings.johnnyb
August 15, 2010
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This cannot really be the case, because the “priming research” and everything else would itself have been determined, and no “objective” statement about anything could ever be made, for all would be subject to and the result of the same thing, and we couldn’t step outside of it even to determine that it is caused by anything. It’s self-referentially incoherent.
Everything being determined doesn't entail nothing objective being able to be said about the world. Equally, libertarian free will doesn't entail agents being able to speak objectively about the world. And nothing objective being able to be said doesn't entail that we are not justified to various degrees in believing certain propositions. Even after giving up realism we can have a pragmatically subjective account of science as the prediction of future phenomena.Daguerreotype Process
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The way they react is at least in part not determined by the sum of the circumstamnces acting on them.
Right. And that's where the "humans have to be unmmoved movers on libertarian free will" comes in. If it is in part "not determined," then it is somehow able to move while being unmoved by other factors. Everything that is free from the casual chain is kind of a little God itself. It just difficult to make sense of such a concept, especially since there is no evidence for the existence of things that are able to move while being (even in part) not influenced by other, moving factors. And that includes humans. (Except for "I feel like I'm free," which isn't any kind of evidence at all)
IOW, free will is about how we react to those influences, and not about being immune to them.
But if "we" can react (and somehow override) physical and environmental influences, then they aren't really influences at all are? By the very fact that we can have "veto power" over such influences means that we have the capability of immunity to them. But again, that's not what we see in research psychology. What we see is that the unconscious will is primary, and has complete influence upon the conscious will. And the unconscious will, is in turn influenced by the environment.peachykeen
August 15, 2010
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[blockquote cite="Jonathan"]Such evidence includes the ability of psychiatric patients to make permanent changes to their neural pathways by focusing their attention in a particular direction.[/blockquote] I'm not familiar with the work around this area. Do you have links to any article length treatises? Prima facie this doesn't seem at all convincing for dualism. Focusing attention in a particular direction would involve the use of neurons, which are arranged in a complicated and constantly changing mesh. If anything, with materialism we would expect to see neural pathways changing when someone thinks about certain things. [blockquote="Jonathon"]I would argue that something which is non-material cannot trace its origin to a material cause, and ultimately all must trace its origination back to a transcendent, immaterial cause.[/blockquote] Why does something immaterial that isn't a theistic deity have to have a material cause as its origin? Atheism is still perfectly compatible with non-material origins of things, just not one that fits the typical descriptions of a god.Daguerreotype Process
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peachykeen,
In a universe with libertarian free will, “priming” research would be impossible, or at the very least give mixed results. Yet we see time and time again in psychological research that how you are primed determines your actions, thoughts and feelings.
This cannot really be the case, because the "priming research" and everything else would itself have been determined, and no "objective" statement about anything could ever be made, for all would be subject to and the result of the same thing, and we couldn't step outside of it even to determine that it is caused by anything. It's self-referentially incoherent.Clive Hayden
August 15, 2010
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Peachykeen – Let me say a few words in defence of my argument. Premise 1 does not require that all atheists be materialists. But it does require that atheism logically implicate materialism. As such, I would argue that something which is non-material cannot trace its origin to a material cause, and ultimately all must trace its origination back to a transcendent, immaterial cause. I think this conclusion is necessitated from a variety of branches of philosophy. Belief in immaterial entities may be divorced from a belief in a transcendent deity. But I think the existence of immaterial objects are difficult to account for if you do not believe in such a transcendent intelligence – an unmoved mover. With regards to the existence of libertarian free will, I would argue that a variety of disciplines now point strongly towards the conclusion of substance dualism. Such evidence includes the ability of psychiatric patients to make permanent changes to their neural pathways by focusing their attention in a particular direction. O’Leary and Beauregard argue from the Placebo effect to such a dualistic construct in their book, “The Spiritual Brain.” Jeffrey Schwartz and Sharon Begley argue to a similar effect in “The Mind & The Brain – Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force”. Sincerely, JonathanJMcL
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peachykeen: I would like to comment on some of your arguments about free will. You say: Contra causal free will necessitates that human beings are their own unmoved movers, who have the ability to enact influence upon the world, yet are themselves immune to physical and environmental factors on their behavior. But that is not true. Free qill does not mean that, and does not imply that. Free will means that humans can react to circumstances in different ways, and that the way they react is at least in part not determined by the sum of the circumstamnces acting on them. Free will means that, at any moment, the behaviour of humans is not completely determined by circumstances (including one's previous internal states), but has a "range" of variability which is determined by a free cause inherent to the conscious subject, and to nothing else. That "range of freedom" can be very small, or great enough: that we really don't know, and it probably depends on many variables. But the important concept is that it is there, and it can and does change our personal destiny. So, in no way the concept of free will requires or implies that we are "immune to physical and environmental factors". We do exercise free will "in the context" of our physical and environmental factors. But there is no doubt that those factors do influence us. IOW, free will is about how we react to those influences, and not about being immune to them.gpuccio
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1: If atheism is true, then so is materialism. This doesn't strike me as true - what about certain strands of Buddhists, spiritualists, or property dualists such as David Chalmers and John Searle? A theistic God isn't the only alternative to materialism. 2: If materialism is true, then the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain. This seems fair enough. There are arguments to the contrary, but they mostly seem to be that practically the mind is irreducible, not that it's in principle irreducible. 3: If the mind is reducible to the chemical constituents of the brain, then human autonomy and consciousness are illusory because our free choices are determined by the dual forces of chance and necessity. How does something being determined make it not autonomous? A human can be determined but still acting from internal reasons. It is fully compatible with determinism that I form the belief that I want a pie, that I believe that if I want a pie I should get a pie, and therefore I get a pie. Autonomy being illusory by no means follows from the mind being physical or from determinism. The rest of your argument depends on these earlier premises being sound. Even if we manage to get to the conclusion that autonomy is not compatible with a material mind, there are many who would accept a lack of autonomy rather than materialism about the mind being false. Non-libertarian accounts of free-will can explain our sense of free-will and autonomy, whereas libertarian accounts of free-will have never even inched close to stating how a cause can be non-determined and non-random. These two exhaust the options. I think we have more reason to think that the brain constitutes the mind than that it doesn't. The effects of neurological damage, electrical stimulation or chemical stimulation to the brain seem to affect a person's actual personality rather than any kind of breakdown of transmission of a personality. Are we supposed to think that behind a paranoid schizophrenic there's a normal mind capable of typical deliberating? And if that's so, how come this mind doesn't recall it's earlier rational deliberating existence when the schizophrenic is no longer having a severe episode? As for your claim that "It lies as fundamentally axiomatic to rationality that we be able to detect the presence of other minds", I entirely fail to see how this is fundamentally axiomatic - it's certainly not anywhere in my notion of rationality. Notions of rationality such as induction, deduction, evidence etc may be normative social concepts, but this doesn't mean that we have to know for certain that there are other minds behind the behaviour shaping the social concepts for us. Even taken for granted that it's fundamentally axiomatic, the materialist seems to be in a better position. "Minds are brains, x has a brain, therefore x has a mind." The dualist can always doubt whether a brain is actually 'linked up' to a mind. "Explanatory devices should not be abstract, lying beyond the scope of our uniform and sensory experience of cause-and-effect." Forms of physics that don't rely on notions of causality aren't explanatory? They're certainly abstract. Besides which, cause-and-effect is a particularly tricky idea rather than something with the obvious simpleness you imply here.Daguerreotype Process
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JMcL: I agree with most of your conclusions, even if my approach to the problem is slightly different. Personally, I prefer not to derive conclusions about consciousness or other fundamental aspects of reality from a purely logical deductive reasoning. My approch os more empirical: I consider consciousness as an empirical fact, directly observed in ourselves and inferred in others. That is enough to include consciousness in our map of reality, and to study its laws and the interaction between its phenomena and the other observable phenomena, which is exactly what modern reductionism refutes to do. In that sense, ID is a perfectly correct scientific theory, being completely based on empirical observations and on reasonable inferences based on them.gpuccio
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If atheism is true, then so is materialism.
This premise is clearly false, as most atheists are not materialists (they are actually Buddhists) and materialism does not necessarily follow from atheism. For example, there is no inherent contradiction between substance dualism being true and theism being false. And so if you demonstrate materialism to be untenable, one can still quite rationally maintain their atheism.
Human autonomy exists.
If by human autonomy, you mean contra causal, libertarian free will, then I think this premise is both not supported by empirical evidence and actively contradicted by supported by empirical evidence. Contra causal free will necessitates that human beings are their own unmoved movers, who have the ability to enact influence upon the world, yet are themselves immune to physical and environmental factors on their behavior. Yet this is not what we observe in both neuroscience and psychology. Your environment is a major determining factor at how violent, happy, hard working, adjusted, etc. you are. In a universe with libertarian free will, "priming" research would be impossible, or at the very least give mixed results. Yet we see time and time again in psychological research that how you are primed determines your actions, thoughts and feelings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(psychology)peachykeen
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