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In the post below Andrew Sibley links to an extraordinary article in The Times about the link between Darwinism and the recent spate of school shootings, and in the comments Leviathan steps up to give us the obligatory “this doesn’t disprove Darwinism” response. 

Leviathan, you are missing the point.  I read the article and there is not one word in it that attacks Darwinism per se.  For all you or I know the author could be a Darwinian fundamentalist.  I take it that the point of the article is that some school shooters are influenced by Darwinian theory.  That is undeniable. 

Actually, I take that back.  I am sure there are Darwinian fundamentalists out there who would deny that any school shooter has ever been influenced by Darwinism, but that just goes to show that Darwinian fundamentalists will deny propositions they know to be true.  I should say that the proposition cannot be denied in good faith. 

The author obviously wants his readers to consider not the validity of the theory itself but the implications the theory has for ethics.  When we teach our children that their existence is an ultimately meaningless accident and that morals are arbitrary byproducts of random genetic fluctuations and mechanical necessity, should we be surprised that they place a lower value on human life than someone who is taught that all humans have inherent dignity and worth because they are made in the image of God?

What to do?  What to do?  In considering this question, I am reminded of Plato’s “noble lie.”  In The Republic Plato proposed a special class of guardians trained from infancy to rule over the other classes.  But how do we persuade the guardians to rule for the common good instead of using their power to advance their personal ambitions?  Plato comes up with the “noble lie,” specifically the myth of the metals.  The answer, Plato says, is to make the guardians believe the gods have mixed a particular type of metal with the souls of the members of the different classes of society.  While common people have bronze or iron mixed with their soul, the guardians have gold mixed with theirs.  And here is the kicker:  The guardians are to be taught that they must never acquire wealth for themselves, because the gods frown at mixing earthly gold with spiritual gold.  Talk about chasing your tail.  Plato proposes a system in which the city spends years training the guardians in all the knowledge and wisdom they have, all the while making sure that at the end of the process they are still dumb enough to believe the myth of the metals. 

There are three and only three options. 

1.  We can continue to fill our children’s heads with standard Darwinian theory (which Dennett rightly calls “universal acid”), understanding that at least some of them are going to put two and two together and realize that the acid has eaten through all ethical principles — and act accordingly.

2.  We can try to come up with a secular noble lie.  “OK kids.  You might have noticed that one of the implications of what I just taught you is that your lives are ultimately meaningless and all morals are arbitrary, but you must never act as if that is true because [fill in the noble lie of your choice, such as “morality is firmly grounded on societal norms or our ability to empathize with others”].

3.  We can teach our children the truth – that the universe reveals a wondrous ordered complexity that can only be accounted for by the existence of a super-intelligence acting purposefully.  And one of the implications of that conclusion is that God exists, and, reasoning further, He has established an objective system of morality that binds us all, and therefore the moral imperatives you feel so strongly are not just an epiphenomenon of the electro-chemical states of your brain.

Looking around I see that for the last several decades we have tried options one and two, and we have gotten what we have gotten.  I vote to give option three a run.

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you wrote "I am of the opinion that we have an innate moral compass, and that we have an innate urge to punish those that do not adhere to it." Yeah, they had a real good on in Russia and in China and North Korea- and most of Africa. Just marvelous. Isn't it just amazing what unguided evolution can do?Frost122585
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and to think that Human beings could learn anything about morality from lowly apes is also insane and just an attempt to denigrate the moral potential and capacity of man to the level of animals that are totally helpless in the presence of real human beings.Frost122585
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Jit, no there is no hope of an evolutionary theory of morality because evolution's only moral is that the most fit survive. And I personally think that people like yourself hide behind this absurd hope just to avoid to dismiss real religion- like biblical scripture.Frost122585
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Frost,
I think it is pathetic that people lie you are more interested in having no unified theory of morality- aside from one that is openly designer by some of man kinds- then to have one which is believed to be transcendent, and personal as opposed to collective, which simply requires a little faith.
Actually, I am very interested in a unified theory of morality. And I think there is scope for a unified evolutionary theory of morality, although it is very much in its infancy right now. You might like to read some books by Frans de Waal, who has studied morality in apes in great detail. I am of the opinion that we have an innate moral compass, and that we have an innate urge to punish those that do not adhere to it. Now, I think these tendencies evolved when humans were living in relatively small groups where social policing was relatively easy. We did not evolve to deal with the moral challenges presented by a more global society. Indeed, we evolved to be hostile to tribes other than our own. This explains a lot of the modern world's moral degeneration. Well, that's my opinion anyway.jitsak
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Jitsak, I agree you cannot deduce that from the physical beauty and order of the universe. That is why we Christians believe we needed revelation to teach us such things regarding morality. But for those of us who want to bring up our kids with a healthy world view this is what we would teach them out of faith and hope. I am quite confident that it would lead to a better result than what they teach for the most part in China, or Cuba, or most of Africa. I think the US has disintegrated in the quality of it's people as it has become less and less openly Christian. And this is shewn by Church Attendance going down- and pubic education increasing relative to Christian private schooling... And as far s Europe I am not thrilled with most of their cultures either. I would rather have a Christian inspired culture than a more secular one- not just for my own life- if I was to grow up again- but of course for my future kids should I have them. I think it is pathetic that people lie you are more interested in having no unified theory of morality- aside from one that is openly designer by some of man kinds- then to have one which is believed to be transcendent, and personal as opposed to collective, which simply requires a little faith.Frost122585
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Barry, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. As a fellow advocate of Intelligent Design I cherish the ability to spar intellectually with my peers, although it seems there is a fundamental misunderstanding between our two positions.
Leviathan, you are missing the point. I read the article and there is not one word in it that attacks Darwinism per se. For all you or I know the author could be a Darwinian fundamentalist. I take it that the point of the article is that some school shooters are influenced by Darwinian theory. That is undeniable.
Saying that Darwinian methodology should be done away with due to the moral decay it may or may not perpetrate is still attacking Darwinian methodology outside of its merits to science. I said it before in the other thread: science is science. Moral considerations should be kept out of the laboratory, no matter how much we may dislike the consequences. In all honesty, this is akin to railing against the theory of gravity because of countless fall-related deaths each year. In any case, I'm willing to make a decent argument for the synthesis of some (not all) Darwinian mechanisms within the whole frame of an intelligent design mindset. What I am not prepared to do, however, is stoop to underhanded tactics of attacking the science of Darwinism indirectly via a moral argument.
Actually, I take that back. I am sure there are Darwinian fundamentalists out there who would deny that any school shooter has ever been influenced by Darwinism, but that just goes to show that Darwinian fundamentalists will deny propositions they know to be true. I should say that the proposition cannot be denied in good faith.
If I went out and shot up a school, and later you found my journals stating that I had worshiped Albert Einstein and was a vehement subscriber to his Theory of Relativity, would you be outraged and demand relativity be stricken from the school books?
The author obviously wants his readers to consider not the validity of the theory itself but the implications the theory has for ethics. When we teach our children that their existence is an ultimately meaningless accident and that morals are arbitrary byproducts of random genetic fluctuations and mechanical necessity, should we be surprised that they place a lower value on human life than someone who is taught that all humans have inherent dignity and worth because they are made in the image of God?
Yes, in the same way that we should be surprised by the example I gave above. Darwinism, from what I understand by its constituents, does not teach that life is meaningless; it teaches that there is no objective meaning, therefore meaning must be given by the observer; I.E., an agency. Upon further analysis, this concept is in fact a central idea to Intelligen Design! Evidence of the "prime mover", the Intelligent Designer, can be found via the complexity of nature, and that meaning (life) was originally given by a subjective observer (the designer, who or whatever that may be).Leviathan
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3. We can teach our children the truth – that the universe reveals a wondrous ordered complexity that can only be accounted for by the existence of a super-intelligence acting purposefully. And one of the implications of that conclusion is that God exists, and, reasoning further, He has established an objective system of morality that binds us all, and therefore the moral imperatives you feel so strongly are not just an epiphenomenon of the electro-chemical states of your brain.
This is very bad reasoning. Even if a deity created the universe, it doesn't follow at all that "He has established an objective system of morality that binds us all". For all we know, the universe is an experiment of a cruel deity that delights in the struggle for existence.jitsak
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Thank you, Barry. For the moment I thought I was the only one who saw Leviathan's post.Berceuse
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And we don't even have to use the Bible, since it's already codified in our declaration. But then, to return to option three might get people thinking once again about their God-given rights, and then where would our government be? I hardly think it would support such a move.Mung
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