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A fierce argument has been raging over at Barry Arrington’s post, A dog is a chien is a perro is a hund, over whether the genetic code is really a semiotic code, or whether “code” is merely a scientific term of convenience in this case. In this post, I hope to clarify the issues and sharpen the discussion between the two sides.

Let’s begin with Barry Arrington’s argument:

An arrangement of signs is arbitrary when the identical purpose could be accomplished through a different arrangement of signs if the rules of the semiotic code were different…

Here’s an example of an arbitrary arrangement of signs: DOG. This is the arrangement of signs English speakers use when they intend to represent Canis lupus familiaris. … Now, the point is that there is nothing inherent in a dog that requires it to be represented in the English language with the letters “D” followed by “O” followed by “G.” If the rules of the semiotic code (i.e., the English language) were different, the identical purpose could be accomplished through a different arrangement of signs. We know this because in other codes the same purpose is accomplished with vastly different signs. In French the purpose is accomplished with the following arrangement of signs: C H I E N. In Spanish the purpose is accomplished with the following arrangement of signs: P E R R O. In German the purpose is accomplished with the following arrangement of signs: H U N D…

How does this apply to the DNA code? The arrangement of signs constituting a particular instruction in the DNA code is arbitrary in the same way that the arrangement of signs for representing Canis lupus familiaris is arbitrary. For example, suppose in a particular strand of DNA the arrangement “AGC” means “add amino acid X.” There is nothing about amino acid X that requires the instruction “add amino acid X” to be represented by “AGC.” …

Why is all of this important to ID? It is important because it shows that the DNA code is not analogous to a semiotic code. It is isometric with a semiotic code. In other words, the digital code embedded in DNA is not “like” a semiotic code, it “is” a semiotic code. This in turn is important because there is only one known source for a semiotic code: intelligent agency.

In what follows, I’d like to sort out some of the issues relating to whether we can properly speak of a genetic code, and whether talk of a “genetic code” is indispensable to biology. I’ll also look at some objections to the term “genetic code,” before drawing a conclusion as to how the issue might be successfully adjudicated on a scientific basis.

What is “the genetic code”?

Here is how Wikipedia defines the genetic code:

The genetic code is the set of rules by which information encoded within genetic material (DNA or mRNA sequences) is translated into proteins (amino acid sequences) by living cells. Biological decoding is accomplished by the ribosome, which links amino acids in an order specified by mRNA, using transfer RNA (tRNA) molecules to carry amino acids and to read the mRNA three nucleotides at a time. The genetic code is highly similar among all organisms, and can be expressed in a simple table with 64 entries.

The code defines how sequences of these nucleotide triplets, called codons, specify which amino acid will be added next during protein synthesis. With some exceptions, a three-nucleotide codon in a nucleic acid sequence specifies a single amino acid. Because the vast majority of genes are encoded with exactly the same code (see the RNA codon table), this particular code is often referred to as the canonical or standard genetic code, or simply the genetic code, though in fact some variant codes have evolved. For example, protein synthesis in human mitochondria relies on a genetic code that differs from the standard genetic code.

Is the genetic code just a metaphor, or is it real?

On May 2, 2011, Professor Gregory Chaitin, a world-famous mathematician and computer scientist, gave a talk entitled, Life as Evolving Software. The talk was given at PPGC UFRGS (Portal do Programa de Pos-Graduacao em Computacao da Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul Mestrado), in Brazil. Professor Chaitin is an avowed neo-Darwinist who is currently endeavoring to create a new mathematical version of Darwin’s theory which rigorously proves that evolution can really work. In 2012, Professor Chaitin published a book entitled, Proving Darwin: Making Biology Mathematical (Pantheon, ISBN: 978-0-375-42314-7). Here are some short excerpts from what Professor Chaitin said about the software of life in his talk in May 2011:

[P]eople often talk about DNA as a kind of programming language, and they mean it sort of loosely, as some kind of metaphor, and we all know about that metaphor. It’s especially used a lot, I think, in evo-devo. But it’s a very natural metaphor, because there are lots of analogies. For example, people talk about computer viruses. And another analogy is: there is this sort of principle in biology as well as in the software world that you don’t start over. If you have a very large software project, and it’s years old, then the software tends to get complicated. You start having the whole history of the software project in the software, because you can’t start over… You … can try adding new stuff on top…

So the point is that now there is a well-known analogy between the software in the natural world and the software that we create in technology. But what I’m saying is, it’s not just an analogy. You can actually take advantage of that, to develop a mathematical theory of biology, at some fundamental level…

Here’s basically the idea. We all know about computer programming languages, and they’re relatively recent, right? Fifty or sixty years, maybe, I don’t know. So … this is artificial digital software – artificial because it’s man-made: we came up with it. Now there is natural digital software, meanwhile, … by which I mean DNA, and this is much, much older – three or four billion years. And the interesting thing about this software is that it’s been there all along, in every cell, in every living being on this planet, except that we didn’t realize that … there was software there until we invented software on our own, and after that, we could see that we were surrounded by software…

So this is the main idea, I think: I’m sort of postulating that DNA is a universal programming language. I see no reason to suppose that it’s less powerful than that. So it’s sort of a shocking thing that we have this very very old software around…

So here’s the way I’m looking at biology now, in this viewpoint. Life is evolving software. Bodies are unimportant, right? The hardware is unimportant. The software is important…

In the opinion of this eminent Darwinist scientist, then, talk of a genetic code is quite literal: “it’s not just an analogy.”

Is the information in life quantifiable?

Some ID critics object that the functional complex specified information we see in living things is unquantifiable. However, this criticism can be easily rebutted. The term “functional information” has been rigorously defined by Szostak and his colleagues in recent scientific papers:

1. Hazen, R.M.; Griffin, P.L.; Carothers, J.M.; Szostak, J.W. 2007, Functional information and the emergence of biocomplexity, Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, 104 Suppl 1, 8574-81.

2. Szostak, J.W. 2003, Functional information: Molecular messages, Nature, 423, (6941) 689.

3. Carothers, J.M.; Oestreich, S.C.; Davis, J.H.; Szostak, J.W. 2004, Informational complexity and functional activity of RNA structures, J Am Chem Soc, 126, (16) 5130-7.

For instance, here is how Hazen, Carothers and Szostak define functional information in the abstract of their 2007 paper:

Complex emergent systems of many interacting components, including complex biological systems, have the potential to perform quantifiable functions. Accordingly, we define “functional information,” I(Ex), as a measure of system complexity. For a given system and function, x (e.g., a folded RNA sequence that binds to GTP), and degree of function, Ex (e.g., the RNA–GTP binding energy), I(Ex) = -log2[F(Ex)], where F(Ex) is the fraction of all possible configurations of the system that possess a degree of function [greater than or equal to] Ex. Functional information, which we illustrate with letter sequences, artificial life, and biopolymers, thus represents the probability that an arbitrary configuration of a system will achieve a specific function to a specified degree.

The information in a protein is therefore quantifiable, and has been quantified, as those who are familiar with Dr. Douglas Axe’s work will be aware.

Do we have to speak of a “genetic code”?

On Barry Arrington’s post, A dog is a chien is a perro is a hund, ID critic Alan Fox has proposed that talk of a “genetic code,” while convenient for scientific purposes, is ultimately reducible to chemistry:

Interactions between molecules involve their chemical properties; charge, conformation, level of hydrophilic and lipophilic residues etc. Nothing analogous to language goes on here. (Comment 118)

DNA sequences translate to specific protein sequences by chemical interactions. (Comment 174)

I see no communicative element in the chemical processes that occur when DNA sequences are transcribed into RNA and translated into polypeptide sequences. It’s all a result of the inherent physical and chemical properties of the interacting molecules… To lump chemical processes in with aspects of linguistics is such a stretch that any set that encompasses both is large enough and fuzzy enough to be meaningless… At the cellular and sub-cellular level and consequently and cumulatively at the level of the organism there is a huge amount of communication going on. It is chemical communication… “Encode” could be used as a defined shorthand for some step in the chemical processes that go on in the cell, of course. Maybe there is a scientific definition in the context of biochemistry. (Comment 184)

DNA transcription and translation is a chemical chain of reactions that depends on the spacial conformation and inherent chemical properties of atoms and molecules. (Comment 274)

Eric Anderson challenged Alan Fox at one point in the exchange of opinions:

I hope you aren’t saying that specific protein sequences arise automatically by chemical reactions once the sequence of nucleotides is exposed? There is a whole system in place that takes the 4-character digital code and translates it on the basis of the genetic code into a subsequent physical chain of amino acids. This does not just happen by chemistry. The translation (and it is not just called that by analogy, it is really what is going on) is precisely one of the things that highlights the semiotic nature of the system we are dealing with. (Comment 179)

In a similar vein, Joe responded:

Except there isn’t any physical and chemical properties that DETERMINE which codon REPRESENTS what amino acid. (Comment 192)

Without being uncharitable to Alan Fox, I’d like to get to what seems to me to be the fundamental issue dividing those who insist that talk of a “genetic code” is indispensable to biology from those who say it is not. The critical question, it seems to me, is whether life can be described and explained from the bottom up. What Fox is saying is that we can give from reductionist, bottom-up account which has the same explanatory power as talk of a genetic code. The latter might be more convenient than the former, but is is no more powerful.

If it turns out, then, that the genetic code is a top-down feature of life, then it will indeed be indispensable to biology. But is it? To answer this question, we need to examine the various hypotheses regarding the origin of the genetic code.

Hypotheses regarding the origin of the code

I’d like to quote again from the Wikipedia article on the genetic code, as no-one will accuse Wikipedia of being based in favor of Intelligent Design:

If amino acids were randomly assigned to triplet codons, then there would be 1.5 x 10^84 possible genetic codes to choose from. However, the genetic code used by all known forms of life is nearly universal with few minor variations. This suggests that a single evolutionary history underlies the origin of the genetic code. Many hypotheses on the evolutionary origins of the universal genetic code have been proposed.

Four themes run through the many hypotheses about the evolution of the genetic code:

* Chemical principles govern specific RNA interaction with amino acids. Experiments with aptamers showed that some amino acids have a selective chemical affinity for the base triplets that code for them. Recent experiments show that of the 8 amino acids tested, 6 show some RNA triplet-amino acid association.

* Biosynthetic expansion. The standard modern genetic code grew from a simpler earlier code through a process of “biosynthetic expansion”. Here the idea is that primordial life “discovered” new amino acids (for example, as by-products of metabolism) and later incorporated some of these into the machinery of genetic coding. Although much circumstantial evidence has been found to suggest that fewer different amino acids were used in the past than today, precise and detailed hypotheses about which amino acids entered the code in what order have proved far more controversial.

* Natural selection has led to codon assignments of the genetic code that minimize the effects of mutations. A recent hypothesis suggests that the triplet code was derived from codes that used longer than triplet codons (such as quadruplet codons). Longer than triplet decoding would have higher degree of codon redundancy and would be more error resistant than the triplet decoding. This feature could allow accurate decoding in the absence of highly complex translational machinery such as the ribosome and before cells began making ribosomes.

* Information channels: Information-theoretic approaches model the process of translating the genetic code into corresponding amino acids as an error-prone information channel. The inherent noise (that is, the error) in the channel poses the organism with a fundamental question: how can a genetic code be constructed to withstand the impact of noise while accurately and efficiently translating information? These “rate-distortion” models suggest that the genetic code originated as a result of the interplay of the three conflicting evolutionary forces: the needs for diverse amino-acids, for error-tolerance and for minimal cost of resources. The code emerges at a coding transition when the mapping of codons to amino-acids becomes nonrandom. The emergence of the code is governed by the topology defined by the probable errors and is related to the map coloring problem.

Transfer RNA molecules appear to have evolved before modern aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases, so the latter cannot be part of the explanation of its patterns.

There are enough data to refute the possibility that the genetic code was randomly constructed (“a frozen accident”). For example, the genetic code clusters certain amino acid assignments. Amino acids that share the same biosynthetic pathway tend to have the same first base in their codons. Amino acids with similar physical properties tend to have similar codons. A robust hypothesis for the origin of genetic code should also address or predict the following gross features of the codon table:

1. absence of codons for D-amino acids

2. secondary codon patterns for some amino acids

3. confinement of synonymous positions to third position

4. limitation to 20 amino acids instead of a number closer to 64

5. relation of stop codon patterns to amino acid coding patterns

It seems to me that what the “code skeptics” are saying is that if we can account for the origin of the genetic code in terms of either bottom-up processes (e.g. unknown chemical principles that make the code a necessity), or bottom-up constraints (i.e. a kind of selection process that occurred early in the evolution of life, and that favored the code we have now), then we can dispense with the code metaphor. The ultimate explanation for the code has nothing to do with choice or agency; it is ultimately the product of necessity.

In responding to the “code skeptics,” we need to keep in mind that they are bound by their own methodology to explain the origin of the genetic code in non-teleological, causal terms. They need to explain how things happened in the way that they suppose. Thus if a code-skeptic were to argue that living things have the code they do because it is one which accurately and efficiently translates information in a way that withstands the impact of noise, then he/she is illicitly substituting a teleological explanation for an efficient causal one. We need to ask the skeptic: how did Nature arrive at such an ideal code as the one we find in living things today?

By contrast, a “top-down” explanation of life goes beyond such reductionistic accounts. On a top-down account, it makes perfect sense to say that the genetic code has the properties it has because they help it to withstand the impact of noise while accurately and efficiently translating information. The “because” here is a teleological one. A teleological explanation like this ties in perfectly well with intelligent agency: normally the question we ask an agent when they do something is: “Why did you do it that way?” The question of how the agent did it is of secondary importance, and it may be the case that if the agent is a very intelligent one, we might not even understand his/her “How” explanation. But we would still want to know “Why?” And in the case of the genetic code, we have an answer to that question.

We currently lack even a plausible natural process which could have generated the genetic code. On the other hand, we know that intelligent agents can generate codes. The default hypothesis should therefore be that the code we find in living things is the product of an Intelligent Agent.

The question we now have to ask ourselves is whether a teleological account of life implies an Intelligent Designer. Recently, the philosopher Thomas Nagel has argued for a form of teleological naturalism, which I discussed in a recent post. Teleological naturalism at least recognizes the inadequacy of non-purposive causal explanations of the cosmos. That’s a big step in the right direction, and I respect Thomas Nagel for taking that step. Nevertheless, it has a fatal flaw: Nature, being unintelligent, does not and cannot look forward. It is precisely for this reason that the Intelligent Design movement contends that if the genetic code can only be understood from a top-down teleological perspective, then the emergence of the genetic code can only be adequately explained in terms of a Mind which produced it.

Does talk of a “genetic code” beg the question, by assuming the existence of a conscious sender and receiver and a rule-maker?

On Barry Arrington’s post, A dog is a chien is a perro is a hund, Alan Fox objected to talk of a “genetic code” on the grounds that “there is no giver or receiver of information in a communicative sense” (comment 274). He also objected to “rule” terminology on the grounds that it begs the question of the existence of a rule-maker. However, Chance Ratcliff successfully rebutted this objection when he defined the rule using the mathematical notion of a mapping: “the DNA to polypeptide mapping function is in the form F:A→B, where F: is performed essentially by RNA polymerase, aminoacyl trna synthetase, and the ribosome, and works by mechanism to convert elements of A (codons) into elements of B (amino acids)” (comment 308).

Likewise, there is no reason why we cannot speak of a molecule as a sender or receiver of information.

The road ahead

The Wikipedia article on the genetic code mentions five striking facts about the genetic code which any successful account must be able to explain. It seems to me that Intelligent Design would do well to focus on these “nitty-gritty” questions, in order to demonstrate its scientific superiority to “bottom-up,” reductionistic accounts of life. That, for the time being, is the way forward, I believe. If ID proponents can explain a lot more about the peculiar properties of life than their Darwinian counterparts, then the younger generation of scientists, who are not wedded to old dogmas and fossilized ways of thinking, will start to take notice.

What do readers think?

Comments
Hello JGuy, An arbitrary relationship is a fundamental requirement in the operation of any system that produces physical effects from information, as opposed to physical law. It would not be possible to input informational constrtaint into such a system otherwise. Anyone who disputes this has likely not taken the time to study the physical systems involved. They can improve their understanding by considering any concrete physical event not determined by inexorable physical law (such as how many coins to put in a vending machine, or which direction a bee should fly in order to find its food, or when an ant should attack it enemies, or the sequence of amino acids required to transport cargo through a cellular membrane) and then try to devise a system to bring that about by physical law alone. They will find that a context specific (non-physically determined) relationship is a physical requirement. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hello enblishmanininstanbul, I too love your example of Braile. Bravo. The arbitrary nature of the system is a universal observation and a logical necessity. The semiotic manufacture of protein is a physical fact demonstrated by experiment. I agree with you that it is a profound confirmation of a design prediction. I personally belive it's profound for the very reason that, even among its opponents, it can be articulated without ambiguity - owing to the fact that the biological sciences have confirmed it. Observers can choose to accept the experimental data, or they can side against it. What we are seeing on UD in these past months, are a group of opponents who have (perhaps for the first time) come into direct contact with that decision, and have made their choice. Their choice doesn't change the facts. To transfer any form of recorded information (including that within the genome) requires an irreducible core of two material objects in order to input an arbitrary relationship into the output of a system. For those who properly and rationally follow the principle of physical uniformity, that requirement existed at the onset of life as well. Biological organization cannot be demonstrated without it. Hello Eric, I like the way you think, and enjoy reading your comments.Upright BiPed
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LOL! I did not mean it that way exactly. How about: "Sorry for selling smuggled goods." :D JGuyJGuy
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stop misleading usMung
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p.p.s. I guess it seems I really underplayed the importance of arbitrariness. Even though I removed it in my hypothetical, I think I smuggled it back in when I mentioned looking at it in the bigger picture... which, with it's informational aspects. :P Sorry if my posting was at all misleading.JGuy
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p.s. It seems I'm probably underplaying the importance of it being arbitrary. I guess I should emphasis that the arbitrary aspect really could be, as you say, the clincher to it's codeness.JGuy
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The Braille code comparison seems almost entirely appropriate. Indeed the willful ignorance/blindness on the atheists part reminds me of this passage of scripture:
John 9:41 "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.
Notes: This pointless game, that atheists play, of insanely denying that the genetic code is 'really' even a code, has been going on for several years now that I know of. In the following video, Perry Marshall, who works in the communications industry, speaks of going on a atheistic website several years ago and valiantly defending the FACT that the genetic is in fact a code from the insane denialism of many atheists.
The DNA Code - Solid Scientific Proof Of Intelligent Design - Perry Marshall - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4060532/
I believe this may be the entire video:
The DNA Code - Intelligent Design - Perry Marshall - video https://vimeo.com/16576263
Here is Perry's website:
Skeptic's Objection to Information Theory #1: "DNA is Not a Code" http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/dna-atheists/dna-code/
notes:
"Information is information, not matter or energy. No materialism which does not admit this can survive at the present day." Norbert Wiener (Cybernetics, 2nd edition, p.132) Norbert Wiener created the modern field of control and communication systems, utilizing concepts like negative feedback. His seminal 1948 book Cybernetics both defined and named the new field. http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/wiener/ "Those devices (computers) can yield only approximations to a structure (of information) that has a deep and "computer independent" existence of its own." - Roger Penrose - The Emperor's New Mind - Pg 147 “One of the things I do in my classes, to get this idea across to students, is I hold up two computer disks. One is loaded with software, and the other one is blank. And I ask them, ‘what is the difference in mass between these two computer disks, as a result of the difference in the information content that they posses’? And of course the answer is, ‘Zero! None! There is no difference as a result of the information. And that’s because information is a mass-less quantity. Now, if information is not a material entity, then how can any materialistic explanation account for its origin? How can any material cause explain it’s origin? And this is the real and fundamental problem that the presence of information in biology has posed. It creates a fundamental challenge to the materialistic, evolutionary scenarios because information is a different kind of entity that matter and energy cannot produce. In the nineteenth century we thought that there were two fundamental entities in science; matter, and energy. At the beginning of the twenty first century, we now recognize that there’s a third fundamental entity; and its ‘information’. It’s not reducible to matter. It’s not reducible to energy. But it’s still a very important thing that is real; we buy it, we sell it, we send it down wires. Now, what do we make of the fact, that information is present at the very root of all biological function? In biology, we have matter, we have energy, but we also have this third, very important entity; information. I think the biology of the information age, poses a fundamental challenge to any materialistic approach to the origin of life.” -Dr. Stephen C. Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the History and Philosophy of science from Cambridge University for a dissertation on the history of origin-of-life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences.
It is important to note that, counter-intuitive to materialistic thought (and to every kid who has ever taken a math exam), a computer does not consume energy during computation but will only consume energy when information is erased from it. This counter-intuitive fact is formally known as Landauer's Principle.
Landauer's principle Of Note: "any logically irreversible manipulation of information, such as the erasure of a bit or the merging of two computation paths, must be accompanied by a corresponding entropy increase ,,, Specifically, each bit of lost information will lead to the release of an (specific) amount (at least kT ln 2) of heat.,,, Landauer’s Principle has also been used as the foundation for a new theory of dark energy, proposed by Gough (2008). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle
As well, it should be noted that Rolf Landauer himself maintained that the information in a computer was merely 'physical'. i.e. He held that information in a computer was merely an 'emergent' property of a material basis, and thus he held that the information programmed into a computer was not really it's own independent entity. Landauer held this 'materialistic' position in spite of objections from people like Roger Penrose who held that information is indeed real and has its own independent existence separate from matter-energy. Landauer held this 'materialistic' position since he thought that 'it ALWAYS took energy to erase information from a computer and therefore the information in the computer must be 'merely physical' (merely emergent). Yet the validity of that fairly narrowly focused objection from Landauer, to the reality of 'transcendent 'information' encoded within the computer, has now been overturned, because now information is known to erasable from a computer without consuming energy.
Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy - June 2011 Excerpt: No heat, even a cooling effect; In the case of perfect classical knowledge of a computer memory (zero entropy), deletion of the data requires in theory no energy at all. The researchers prove that "more than complete knowledge" from quantum entanglement with the memory (negative entropy) leads to deletion of the data being accompanied by removal of heat from the computer and its release as usable energy. This is the physical meaning of negative entropy. Renner emphasizes, however, "This doesn't mean that we can develop a perpetual motion machine." The data can only be deleted once, so there is no possibility to continue to generate energy. The process also destroys the entanglement, and it would take an input of energy to reset the system to its starting state. The equations are consistent with what's known as the second law of thermodynamics: the idea that the entropy of the universe can never decrease. Vedral says "We're working on the edge of the second law. If you go any further, you will break it." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601134300.htm
Moreover, to top that off, energy and mass are both now found to reduce to "transcendent" quantum information by quantum teleportation (references upon request). As well, the following paper, alongside the reduction of matter/energy to quantum information in the teleportation experiments, further shows quantum information to be 'conserved':
Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html
Finding transcendent information to be foundational to reality, in the preceding experiments and proofs, is very suggestive to the Theistic 'postulation' of John 1:1 that holds 'Logos' (The Word) to be the ultimate foundation of our matter-energy reality in the first place.
John 1:1-3 In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.
Of note, I don't remember exactly who said this on UD, but I think it is a very profound thought:
It is deeply ironic that information should be found bursting at the seams in the DNA of life, and even in the proteins of life, for neo-Darwinian atheists have insisted for many years that life on earth has no ultimate meaning or purpose, yet to find information in life is equivalent to finding meaning in life, for information itself requires meaning to exist, and even purpose to exist, before information can exist.
Supplemental note:
"A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor). It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required. ,,,there is no known law of nature and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. Werner Gitt 1997 In The Beginning Was Information pp. 64-67, 79, 107." (The retired Dr Gitt was a director and professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology (Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Braunschweig), the Head of the Department of Information Technology.)
Music:
Mandy Moore - Only Hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpExJQuzpqk
bornagain77
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englishmaninistanbul @ 33
Although I knew that DNA codons are mapped to amino acids, I had no idea that the mapping is completely arbitrary. [...snip...] For me, this arbitrariness ends the ‘Is it really a code?’ debate. The mapping is impressive, but this is the clincher. Thank you for this article.
I agree that the arbitrary facet helps. It isolates arguments like Fox's completely. And partly because it allows for the other functional complexity (e.g. error reduction). The code itself is reported in the literature to be better than one in a million randomly generated codes at mitigating copy errors. I think pseudonym Mike Gene suggested possibly even optimum if more factors were considered (but I'm not certain he did). Anyway, consider if somehow it was not arbitrarily associated. Suppose each nucleotide triplets matched & bound to various point of the specific charges or physical structures of only specific amino acid surface. And somehow all the other functions in the process of translation worked with this (somehow). When considering the big picture of the whole process, how would the mapping still not be classified as a real code? Did Francis Crick understand all the processes of this before he called it a code? I understand this is what A'Fox would probably argue, but it still doesn't follow when you consider the context of informational transfer. JGuyJGuy
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englishmaninistanbul: Good example with braille. Thanks for bringing that up.Eric Anderson
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Although I knew that DNA codons are mapped to amino acids, I had no idea that the mapping is completely arbitrary. So that means it's almost like a 64 box code sheet for sending spy messages, where you can write down whatever word you want in each one. For me, this arbitrariness ends the 'Is it really a code?' debate. The mapping is impressive, but this is the clincher. Thank you for this article. PS: It just struck me that Braille is a useful analogy. Each letter in Braille is made of 3 rows of 2 potential dots. Each of these rows therefore has 4 possible configurations (dot-dot, dot-no dot, no dot-dot, no dot-no dot), analogous to the genetic bases A, C, T, G. But you need a combination of three rows (a codon) to get a letter (an amino acid).englishmaninistanbul
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U.B. @ 24 Yeah, consider it a perk found in the employee's break room. :) JGuyJGuy
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I’ve been thinking through the idea of a code and thought I would share a couple of thoughts. I apologize in advance for the length, but wanted to lay this out in some detail. If it too long, the Mods can feel free to post as a head post. ----- There are a couple of different uses of the word “code.” 1. In one sense, “code” means a written set of instructions to accomplish a task. It is in this sense that a programmer would say he is going to go “write code” or, in current vernacular the word itself has become a verb, so a programmer would generally just say he is going to “code.” Programmers are also sometimes referred to as “coders.” 2. Related to the above meaning, “code” can also mean the particular language or available instruction set that is used in the act of writing code, such as Javascript, C++, Python, Ruby and the like. Each of these is referred to as a “code,” and if I am interested in which instruction set a programmer is using for a particular task it would be perfectly understandable to ask her which code she is using. 3. Code also often has a broader meaning (though it is in fact a closely related meaning -- See below*) as a mapping of symbols in one character set to symbols in another character set. For example, Morse Code or the ASCII code. A subset of this character set mapping is cryptography. This is easy to see in simple cryptography, such as a child’s decoder ring or a simple Caesar cipher (also sometimes referred to as a "Caesar code"). In these simple cases, the same visual characters are used, but they have been reassigned to create a new, arbitrary character set prior to the mapping. The individual receiving the string can decode the original text if they are given information about how the mapping was performed, or in other words, how the new arbitrary character set was created. This piece of information is called a “key.” For a simple Caesar cipher the key is just an offset number. In more sophisticated forms of cryptography, the new character set can be completely unrelated to the initial set and, one hopes, completely unfathomable to someone looking at the set without the proper key. Indeed, new character sets can be created and mapped to on the fly, so long as the receiver has the proper key to unlock the new character sets. ----- Now, how does this relate to DNA and what goes on in the cell? First, the cell clearly operates according to an instruction set. (We are not discussing the origin of that instruction set at this stage, just noting that it exists.) There is mounting evidence that many of the instructions for cellular function reside outside of DNA, but most people would tend to agree that at least a meaningful portion, if not all, of the instruction set of an organism is contained in its DNA. [Note: In a prior thread Nick Matzke, for example, indicated that he thought all the information for an organism was contained in DNA.] Thus, independent of the particular “Genetic Code” discussion, DNA clearly contains a “code” in the sense of an instruction set (#1 above). Second, there is clearly a mapping of symbols from one character set (nucleotides) to another character set (amino acids). The process is properly referred to as “translation,” because it literally translates a representation in one character set to another character set. The same thing happens when someone receives a series of dots dashes and then translates them into an English sentence based on the Morse Code. The allegation that this is just chemistry fails, as I have shown in prior comments, both because (i) even the mapping at the most basic level doesn’t just happen by chemistry; there is an arbitrary assignment from one set to another that could have been otherwise and that requires intermediary molecules that have been specifically assigned to perform the translation, and (ii) it is inappropriate to ignore the broader context of the protein synthesis process. Saying that the translation process in the cell does not use a “code” because it just happens by chemistry is akin to saying that when I open up a file in Word on my computer the ones and zeroes on my hard drive just show up as a coherent English sentence on the screen by dint of physics. After all, one might argue, if there were a different series of ones and zeroes a different sentence might result. This kind of thinking ignores two basic realities: (x) the fact that there is a serious probabilistic hurdle in getting anything intelligible on the screen with a random string of ones and zeroes (the probability/origin-of-string discussion), and (y) the fact that there is a whole system at work to find, retrieve, translate, represent and instantiate the ones and zeroes into something that is meaningful in the new character set (in this case an English sentence). Getting back to the most basic level of a simple mapping of characters from one set to another set (setting aside for a moment the instruction sets and the broader compute process that the Genetic Code is but a part of), we see that the Genetic Code is properly referred to as a “code.” Every bit as much as the Morse Code or the ASCII code or cryptographic codes. There is a reason the Genetic Code is called a “code.” And the reason is not for analogy only, nor for convenience of discussion. It is because it is a code. One may not like the implications, but certainly one of the most interesting questions ever facing humanity has arisen in the last few decades as we have learned about the information and instruction sets and code contained in biology, namely: “What do we make of the fact that there is digitally coded information in life?” ----- * Programming languages (C++, Ruby, Python, Javascript, etc.) do not constitute a separate realm from the simple mapping concept outlined in #3. In fact, such languages are a subset of the mapping. If we carefully consider what is going on when we write code in a programming language, we see that in fact the entire process is largely one of taking information from one set and translating it into another set. Allow me to give an example of what I mean: I have an engineer who needs to monitor the temperature within a server case in order to make sure the system is operating within temperature tolerances. How is this done? Well, in the simplest sense, with a sensor and code. At its foundation, what is going on is that there is a physical reality (temperature) that is sensed by a physical, analog sensor. That input is then translated into another set (say, an electrical pulse of particular amplitude). That input is then translated into another set, such as a value in a range of possible values. That input will often then be translated into another set, such as an actual temperature profile spectrum. That input will then be translated into binary for storage in the device. That input, when needed, will then be retrieved and translated from binary into Roman numerals using the ASCII character set or code. If desired by the user, those numerals will be translated into either Fahrenheit or Celsius. Without belaboring the details, that input will be translated into a graphic set, then an electrical set, then sent to the monitor for translation into a rendition set, ultimately back to the analog signal that my engineer sees on his screen. Every programming exercise ultimately boils down to taking an input in one “character set” (whether feedback from the environment, user input, or the computational result of a prior process) and transforming that input within the same character set or translating that input into another set that can be used by the next step of the process. Ultimately, that is what programming is.Eric Anderson
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Upright BiPed at #15: Well done sir. Even the form of our coins is arbitrary as is the material from which they are constructed! When's the last time you saw a silver quarter or dime or a gold dollar? But as any good materialist will tell you, it's just chemistry and no violation of the laws of physics takes place.Mung
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Sir Francis Crick, March 19, 1953: “Now we believe that the DNA is a code. That is, the order of bases (the letters) makes one gene different from another gene (just as one page of print is different from another)kairosfocus
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AF, If you will take a moment to check, you will see that I have specifically not referred to "an agency" but to design. That is, to a causal process evident form empirically reliable signs, such as FSCO/I as already discussed. Fierst, show that it was arson, then discuss whodunit. And, you will therefore find nowhere were I have argued that evidence of design for cell based life is direct and decisive evidence of God as designer of the cell. Moreover, you have been around these issues long enough to know that I HAVE SAID JUST THE OPPOSITE, THAT A MOLECULAR NANOTECH LAB SOME GENERATIONS BEYOND VENTER ET AL WOULD BE ADEQUATE CAUSALLY. In which context I have repeatedly pointed out that these investigators have shown that biological design is not only possible but actual. Where I do say that design inferences point beyond the cosmos to a vastly powerful, knowledgeable and skilled designer is the case of the observed fine tuned cosmos which is set up for C-chemistry, cell based, aqueous medium life, from the first six most abundant elements on down. Which is also the conclusion that many from Hoyle on have drawn and publicly presented, for decades. And, you will never find me drawing the conclusion on just that that this grounds specific conclusion to the God of various theistic traditions, though I will say that this points in the general direction where such a Being -- at least at the level of the God of the philosophers -- would be a serious candidate cause. If you want to know the real -- as opposed to strawman -- basis on which I know that God is real, in the first instance, absent a miracle of guidance to my mother when I was desperately ill, I would not be here to write this. And, there are many other personal encounters with God in my life, on which basis I have the confidence to take on the crisis that just precipitated itself on my family yesterday. As to a 101 look at why I am specifically a Christian, in intellectual terms, you may want to look here on and here on in context. But, such is beyond the normal scope of UD as a blog. I do further believe, and on excellent historical and philosophical grounds, that thinking the Creator's thoughts after him haws always been and continues to be a valid and sound basis for doing science. I further hold, on the strength of the logic of necessary and possible being and the evidence that is at stake, that those who deny the actual existence of God (as opposed to emotively, dismiss it) are implying that they hold that God is an impossible being; given the nature of serious candidates to be necessary being, that if possible they are actual. Where also, the formerly favourite problem of evil attempt to show such a God to be impossible, post Platninga's free will defense, has collapsed. But, as a rule they do not realise this. So, now, kindly stop the tangential distractions and strawman tactics, and answer to the evidence that points to the genetic code as just that, a code that may be compared directly to letters in text strings. I have already pointed you to what Sir Francis Crick had to say on March 19, 1953. Explain to us all, why you seem to disagree with him, on what EMPIRICAL evidence grounds. KFkairosfocus
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Alan Fox:
It puzzles me that if you have an omnipotent, omniscient “agency” that designed the universe as he wished, why did he not get it right first time.
It looks right to me. Could you do better? Very doubtful.Joe
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Folks, After the rhetorical stunt by AF I just had to reply to here, I think that I need to cite the conclusive remarks of that comment, by way of responding here:
10 –> Indeed, as far back as March 19, 1953, Sir Francis Crick went on utterly clear record to his son:
“Now we believe that the DNA is a code. That is, the order of bases (the letters) makes one gene different from another gene (just as one page of print is different from another)
_____________ AF, your quarrel in the end is not with the design theory movement, it is with sixty years of multiple Nobel Prize winning microbiology and related research. Research that shows that beyond reasonable doubt, to moral certainty [the degree that empirical facts can access], the living cell is based on functionally specific complex organisation that is information bearing, and in quantities that stagger the capacities of blind chance and mechanical necessity on the gamut of the observed cosmos. Where also, there is just one empirically — and routinely — observed, known causally adequate source for such FSCO/I. (And this, after decades of attempts to find something, anything else that is a plausible substitute; all of which have failed or end up smuggling or letting the known cause in the back door.) In one word: Design.
So, AF needs to answer to Crick and the others, and to in so doing explain why he is not on the list of Nobel Prize holders. KFkairosfocus
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Eric Anderson (16): Yet there is that pesky human in your example — the pesky decision maker who seems to be involved at every key step of the process.
We as agents can order material events – events which operate according to the laws of physics. We can however order the sequence of these events. We can manipulate matter to operate according to our preferred sequences – so it obeys our instructions. Instructions are specified sequences of events? I'm looking for the right definition... By ordering events we make computers, vending machines and mobile phones, but how do we order events? Doesn’t this imply a breach of the laws of nature? This question goes back to the phenomenon ‘agency’ – to the mystery that we are. So code – instructions – refers to agency.Box
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Interesting. A vending machine without the exchange of money. No worries, substitute "coin slot" with "keypad" and you end up with the same thing anyway. :)Upright BiPed
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In short, we have every good reason to infer to moral certainty that cell based life, per what we SEE in the living cell, is an artifact.
An artefact brought about by "an agency" I presume. I wonder what you mean by "an agency"? If you mean God, why not just say so? Even Dawkins allows that he can't rule that possibility out. Another alternative is that life was "seeded" here accidentally or deliberately. SETI and Mars exploration may hold future clues to that hypothesis. It puzzles me that if you have an omnipotent, omniscient "agency" that designed the universe as he wished, why did he not get it right first time. Maybe to acheive its goal, the "agency" cannot tinker. Once the rules are set, it has to work within them. Perhaps it can't interfere across the reality/imagination border and hence the need for evolution and environmental design.Alan Fox
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If evolutionists deny that the genetic code is a real code, and choose instead to call it something else like just some chemical reactions. Then this really is instructive, as KF noted above. And as I understand it, it means that it is understood that real code => intelligent design. But suppose one still denies it is a code on that basis. i.e. That it is all just chemistry. Then what does he/she do with the "codes" that appear to come from the mind of man? Are the codes that man dream up also not codes, but rather just chemical reactions? :-P JGuyJGuy
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KF@17 Thanks for the response.
There is no reasonable doubt as to what we are seeing, and so the denial we observe is indeed instructive.
Very interesting observation indeed. Jammer made a similar note above. JGuyJGuy
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Eric Anderson @ 16 Thanks for thought out response.
Interesting example. And I think it highlights how if we are not careful we can trick ourselves into thinking that something so simple just happens naturally. Yet there is that pesky human in your example — the pesky decision maker who seems to be involved at every key step of the process. In your example there is a human that (i) assesses what is needed, (ii) travels to just the right location, (iii) analyzes the possible choices, (iv) makes a selection through some kind of internal decision tree, (v) waits until the selection is properly processed, and (vi) makes use of the retrieved product. (Not to mention all the decisions that went into designing, building and programming the product storage and retrieval machine in the first place.)
Yeah, I agree. There is a lot more going on than meets the eye. Note my second response to Fox above about the acknowledged fact of a "storage/retrieval" aspect to the DNA/RNA/Protein pathway. The remark about it from Fox seems inconsistent with a simple raw chemical view, as it implies something that isn't merely raw chemistry. But I want to comment on the "pesky human". Most of those steps you mention are irrelevant to the machine itself. The decision making human is simply the analog of some biochemical process that says make more of protein X. But that wasn't the focus of the thread I thought. The topic was on whether the genetic code was a real semiotic code. So, really we only need to consider from the pushed button to the specific product being activated/dropped. Consider that that part can all be reduced to entirely raw electro-mechanical interactions (analog to Fox's plea raw chemical reactions), and do not consider the known origin of the vending machine. We can identify that there is a coding system here (buttons associated with specific products - and even no laws that require the specific associations - i.e. buttons could be hacked & modified to choose any product). I guess I don't know where to take that from here anymore. But I thought it made a certain point. That mechanical processes aren't a whole lot different than chemical processes in how restricted they are to natural laws. Well, after reading your comment again, I can see that it resonates along the same ideas. I agree with most here, that the genetic code is a real code. It's even more glaring when you look, similar to what you said, at the larger more complex context of connected processes. JGuyJGuy
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UB@15
When you drop a coin in the slot of a vending machine [...]
The vending machine here requires no coins. The question is more on the relationship of the matrix to the location of the Funyuns. [btw: arguably the most unlikely sentence I ever typed] JGuyJGuy
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UB: Right on the money. EA: Yes, sometimes it helps to remember that this synthesis process is a part of a much wider co-ordinated system embracing a cellular regulatory circuit/network that is it self a powerful case of nodes and arcs form FSCO/I. KFkairosfocus
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JG: Let us note, the chaining of bases is through a "standard" link that does not constrain the following base, i.e the base sequence in the chain is highly contingent. It is that sequence that stores information, in a prong-height system similar to Yale lock key prongs. Where also, the way such prongs in a Yale lock work is by interatomic forces tied to complex interactions of electron clouds, i.e generally similar to the types of interactions with R/DNA strands. The tRNA's have a string that is the anticodon region, which matches the appropriate set of prongs, key-lock style, and then functions as a position-arm device loaded with an Amino Acid that is added to the protein chain under construction in the ribosome. In turn, the tool tip uses a universal CCA coupler and is loaded in the normal case by a specific enzyme that loads the recognised tRNA with the proper protein. Enzymes of course being internal to the protein assembly system, as in chicken and egg here. This system is informational, using recognisable machine code -- we have tables that to all intents and purposes look a lot like the ones I used to use with 6800 family microprocessors way back now, the difference being the particular code, not the fact of code. Where also, it has been shown that the tRNA load-out is reprogrammable and the DNA sequence is so programmable that DNA has been used to code information in English. There is no reasonable doubt as to what we are seeing, and so the denial we observe is indeed instructive. There is only one empirically warranted adequate cause of codes, algorithms and associated execution machines, intelligent design by highly skilled and knowledgeable designers. In short, we have every good reason to infer to moral certainty that cell based life, per what we SEE in the living cell, is an artifact. Wisdom, then, is to readjust our views to accord with that reasonable conclusion, or else find compelling empirical evidence that overturns it. The problem on that is that the needle in the haystack results kick in, and the predictable rarity of FSCPO/I in a field of possibilities comes to bear, easily explaining the increasingly severe struggles faced by OOL researchers seeking a blind watchmaker thesis explanation of the credible origin of the living cell. KFkairosfocus
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JGuy @12: Interesting example. And I think it highlights how if we are not careful we can trick ourselves into thinking that something so simple just happens naturally. Yet there is that pesky human in your example -- the pesky decision maker who seems to be involved at every key step of the process. In your example there is a human that (i) assesses what is needed, (ii) travels to just the right location, (iii) analyzes the possible choices, (iv) makes a selection through some kind of internal decision tree, (v) waits until the selection is properly processed, and (vi) makes use of the retrieved product. (Not to mention all the decisions that went into designing, building and programming the product storage and retrieval machine in the first place.) There is a very naive view (I'm not saying it is yours, just noting it generally) that stuff in the cell just happens by virtue of raw chemistry. Alan Fox has been making that kind of statement about protein synthesis. That is not only wrong, it is silly if we take a moment to think about it. Protein synthesis, to pursue the specific example, doesn't just happen. There are receptors that sense what is needed, switches that control the extent of production, mechanisms that go to the correct location, find the proper string, translate the string, in many cases review and correct the string, in some cases rearrange and concatenate the string to set up a completely different protein, shepherd the completed string to another proper location, assist in folding the string, ascertain whether folding has been properly accomplished, shepherd the completed protein to the right location for end use, help incorporate the protein into a complex of proteins, determine when enough has been produced and provide feedback to the sensors, and so on. The whole process proceeds through a very detailed and sophisticated series of switches, feedback mechanisms and decision trees. And these sensors, switches, feedback mechanisms and decision trees are most certainly operating on the basis of the programming that has been built into them. It is nothing even resembling raw chemistry. The assertion that what goes on in the cell isn't based on digital code and decision trees and instruction routines is every bit as silly as someone opening a computer and proclaiming there is no code because, hey, it's all just electricity flowing around, and after all we all know what electricity does, it just naturally flows through all those wires -- given a certain conductor and a certain gradient it just flows; it is purely natural; nothing special about it. Again, not saying that I think this is your view. Just noting what some folks seem to think.Eric Anderson
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JGuy at #12 JGuy, When you drop a coin in the slot of a vending machine, the coin serves as a representation of form (i.e. information). In this instance, the form it represents is a specific monetary value towards the purchase of a product. It serves this role by being identifiable as a particular arrangement of matter. The relationship between the monetary value associated with the representation, and the effect that representation will have on the dispensing of a product, is not established by physical law. Instead it’s established by a second arrangement of matter in the machine. This second arrangement of matter has the capacity to create a specified effect based on the arrangement of the representation. That effect is to establish the otherwise non-existence relationship between the representation and the dispensing of a product. The machine doesn’t know a dime from a dollar, and the entire process follows physical law, but the system incorporates an arbitrary relationship in order to function. The arbitrary relationship is required because 'collecting the proper monetary value for potato chips' is not a product of physical law; it’s the product of information. Therefore, the system requires a real capacity to bring that effect into being, based on an arbitrary relationship (as opposed to physical law). It is the absence of an inexorable physical relationship between the representation and its effect that makes the input of form possible. If the arbitrary relationship was not necessary to allow the input of informational constraint on the system, then the price of potato chips could be derived from the material make-up of coins.Upright BiPed
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Alan Fox:
I’ll just re-make the point that it matters not what you call something (and the genetic code is certainly an amazing something) so long as all agree what is being referred to.
I haven't been keeping up with all the discussion pertaining to this subject, but at least I know that Alan Fox understands what we mean by 'arbitrary'.M. Holcumbrink
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Fox@2:
It just seems that some are misled into false conclusions by the mere fact that the storage retrieval aspect of the DNA/RNA/protein pathway is referred to as a”code”. There is the same issue with “junk” DNA. The name was coined and stuck and yet years after, the diverse origins and purposes of non-coding DNA is still a fruitful area of ongoing researh
I'm not sure why you call part of the DNA/RNA/protein pathway as factually a "storage retrieval aspect". What is being stored and retrieved? If you say information, then I don't get how that is consistent with a reductionist position or argument about the genetic code as [factually even] a real code. JGuyJGuy
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Consider someone that finds an unhealthy craving for a bag of Funyuns. And he/she goes to some vending machine and presses the button associated with Funyuns (e.g. B4). The vending mechanism performs several steps to drop the associated/correct bag into the product dispenser. Customer retrieves product. Is the button matrix an actual semiotic code for individual products/locations? ..or.. Is it only just a matrix sequence where portions of it are merely translated (whatever that means apart from the context of a code) to specific product locations by mechanical interactions. JGuyJGuy
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