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Over at his blog, Professor Larry Moran is shocked, shocked, that the arguments of Professor William Lane Craig for the existence of God are treated with respect by Craig’s philosophical colleagues. “Is it true that philosophy departments have sunk to this level?” he asks.

A few days earlier, Craig had written an article for The Washington Post entitled, Humanism for Children, in which he pointed to “a resurgence of interest in arguments for God’s existence based on reason and evidence alone” among philosophers, and added:

All of the traditional arguments for God’s existence, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological arguments, not to mention creative, new arguments, find intelligent and articulate defenders on the contemporary philosophical scene.

Professor Moran found Craig’s claims rather difficult to swallow, so he posed the following question to his readers:

So, here’s a question for you philosophers out there. Is Craig correct? Is it true that most philosophers defend arguments for god’s existence based on “reason and evidence alone”? Is it true that philosophy departments have sunk to this level?

… Remember, the question I’m asking isn’t whether his conclusion is correct (it isn’t). It isn’t whether his arguments are bad (they are remarkably bad). It’s whether most philosophers respect his arguments and grant that they are legitimate and sound philosophical arguments.

Now, Professor Moran is a biochemist, not a philosopher, so I’m not going to make fun of him in this post. However, I will point out that if Moran had wanted to find out whether Craig’s arguments were respected or not, there were several easy avenues of investigation open to him. He could have consulted Google Scholar and typed in “William Lane Craig” which yields 2,480 hits, including citations. That’s a very respectable figure, although not quite as impressive as the 4,200 hits for “Richard Swinburne” and 6,810 hits for “Alvin Plantinga”. By comparison, the renowned Canadian atheist philosopher Michael Tooley gets about 2,200 hits, while Quentin Smith (Craig’s atheist opponent in “Theism, atheism, and big bang cosmology” (OUP, 1993) gets fewer than 2,000 hits.

Larry Moran could have also checked the online list of Professor Craig’s publications, which includes 30 books, as well as over 100 articles. Craig has published articles in prestigious journals such as Astrophysics and Space Science, The British Journal for the Philosophy of Science, The Journal of Philosophy, The International Philosophical Quarterly, The American Philosophical Quarterly, The Australasian Journal of Philosophy, Philosophia, Synthese, Erkenntnis and International Studies in the Philosophy of Science, among many others.

If Moran had wanted to know whether Professor William Lane Craig’s arguments for God’s existence were still taken seriously by scholars, he could have consulted the article on the Cosmological Argument in The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. He would have found an entire section devoted to the Kalam cosmological argument, which Craig defends. He would also have found that Craig is cited no less than 51 times in the entire article – more than any other philosopher. (By comparison, Aquinas is cited 24 times, Leibniz six times, Kant 10 times, Hume 12 times, Plantinga five times and Swinburne 27 times.) In the bibliography, Craig is the most-cited author, on a par with Graham Oppy, a leading critic of the cosmological argument.

Here’s what the American atheist philosopher Quentin Smith, author (or co-author) of twelve books and over 140 articles, had to say about Professor Craig on page 183 of his essay, “Kalam Cosmological Arguments for Atheism” (in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, Cambridge University Press, 2006, ISBN 9780521842709):

… [A] count of the articles in the philosophy journals shows that more articles have been published about Craig’s defense of the Kalam [cosmological] argument than have been published about any other philosopher’s contemporary formulation of an argument for God’s existence…. The fact that theists and atheists alike “cannot leave Craig’s Kalam argument alone” suggests that it may be an article of unusual philosophical interest or else has an attractive core of plausibility that keeps philosophers turning back to it and examining it once again.

If people write a lot about your arguments, that’s a pretty reliable sign that you’re highly respected in your field. I think we can safely assume, then, that Professor Craig’s arguments for the existence of God are taken seriously by philosophers, whether or not they agree with Craig.

And in the interests of fairness, I should point out that most contemporary English-speaking philosophers don’t agree with Professor Craig’s views on the arguments for the existence of God. The PhilPapers study, commissioned by David Chalmers of the Australian National University and David Bourget of London University, surveyed 931 academics at 99 leading philosophy departments around the globe, over 90% of them in the English-speaking world and nearly two-thirds in America. Here is the breakdown of the responses to the question: “God: Theism or Atheism?”

Accept: atheism ____________________________ 576 / 931 (61.9%)
Lean toward: atheism _______________________ 102 / 931 (11.0%)
Accept: theism ______________________________ 99 / 931 (10.6%)
Agnostic/undecided __________________________ 51 / 931 (5.5%)
Lean toward: theism _________________________ 37 / 931 (4.0%)
The question is too unclear to answer ___________ 16 / 931 (1.7%)
Reject both ________________________________ 16 / 931 (1.7%)
Skip _______________________________________ 9 / 931 (1.0%)
Accept another alternative _____________________ 8 / 931 (0.9%)
Accept an intermediate view ____________________ 7 / 931 (0.8%)
There is no fact of the matter ___________________ 5 / 931 (0.5%)
Other ______________________________________ 5 / 931 (0.5%)

So about 15% of the philosophers surveyed accept or lean towards theism, while 73% accept or lean towards atheism. On the other hand, the question: “Metaphilosophy: Naturalism or Non-naturalism?” yielded a different result: only 49.8% (less than half) accept or lean towards naturalism. Regarding the question, “Mind: physicalism or non-physicalism?”, only 56.5% accept or lean towards physicalism. Make of that what you will.

In answer to Professor Moran’s question, while most contemporary philosophers don’t regard Craig’s arguments for the existence of God as sound philosophical arguments, they do treat Craig’s arguments with genuine respect.

By the way, here is a list of notable atheists who have debated Professor William Lane Craig on the topic of “Does God exist?” or “Atheism vs. Christianity” in the past: Frank Zindler, Keith Parsons, Eddie Tabash, Paul Draper, Peter Atkins, Garrett Hardin, Antony Flew, Theodore Drange, Quentin Smith, Michael Tooley, Douglas Jesseph, Corey Washington, Massimo Pigliucci, Edwin Curley, Ron Barrier, Victor Stenger, Brian Edwards, Peter Slezak, Austin Dacey, Bill Cook and John Shook. Craig has also had a debate of sorts with Daniel Dennett, which makes for interesting viewing. Professor Moran will be interested to note that Dennett, while disagreeing with Craig’s argument for the existence of God, was nevertheless clearly impressed with his presentation of it.

Surprisingly, Professor Moran appears astonished that there should still exist philosophers who “defend arguments for god’s existence based on ‘reason and evidence alone.'” A quick question for Professor Moran: if you were making a philosophical case for God’s existence, what else would you appeal to, if not reason and evidence?

Finally, is Professor Moran aware of recent research in the field of cosmology, showing that not only the universe, but even the multiverse, had a beginning. I blogged about this earlier this year, in my article, Vilenkin’s verdict: “All the evidence we have says that the universe had a beginning.” If the multiverse had a beginning (or a temporal boundary, if you prefer to call it that), then at least some of its properties are contingent: namely, the parameters describing its initial conditions. And if the multiverse has contingent properties, then it’s reasonable to ask for an explanation of the fact that it has those properties, and not some other properties instead. If someone showed me a red circle, obviously it wouldn’t make sense to ask, “Why is the circle round instead of square?” but it would make perfect sense to ask: “Why is the circle red instead of blue?”

The multiverse can therefore no longer be treated as self-explanatory. Something is required to explain its being the way it is. That doesn’t prove God made it, of course. But it does suggest that something did, and that whatever that “something” is, it’s not bound by any laws of physics – for if it were, it would be part of the multiverse, too. What’s more, this “something” must either be everlasting or outside time altogether. I present more evidence for a personal Creator in my online article, Vilenkin’s verdict: “All the evidence we have says that the universe had a beginning.”

Finally, I would urge Professor Moran to read Dr. Robin Collins’ mathematically rigorous online paper, The Teleological Argument: An Exploration of the Fine-Tuning of the Universe. It is about the best defense of the fine-tuning argument I have ever seen. And I would remind Professor Moran that Craig’s version of the cosmological argument isn’t the only one: Professor Paul Herrick presents an excellent defense of the modal cosmological argument in his 2009 article, Job Opening: Creator of the Universe—A Reply to Keith Parsons.

To sum up: contemporary theistic philosophers are focusing with renewed vigor and determination on presenting the arguments for the existence of a personal Creator of the cosmos in a manner which is intellectually rigorous and at the same time accessible to a broad public audience. For its part, the Intelligent Design movement makes no claim to be able to establish the existence of any Deity; nevertheless, it continues to find compelling evidence that animal body plans, molecular machines, the first living cell and the cosmos itself were the products of some Intelligence far greater than our own. (I discussed some new evidence in my last post, where I wrote about Dr. Paul Nelson’s recent video presentation, Darwin or Design?”) The ID movement also continues to maintain that the search for empirical evidence of such an Intelligence forms a legitimate part of the scientific endeavor. Meanwhile, we will keep working until the day when the search for design in Nature is finally recognized as science.

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StephenB, I actually think of Nietzsche as remarkably consistent and intellectually honest. And he asked some really interesting questions. He was just deeply and profoundly wrong. :)Kantian Naturalist
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I don't get your point, Mung; fallibilism is central to my entire epistemological outlook.Kantian Naturalist
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KN: "On a minor note, the influence of Nietzsche and Darwin on Nazism tells us that the Nazis were not overly concerned with intellectual integrity or consistency — Nietzsche was severely critical of Darwinism (which he knew of second-hand through German translations of Herbert Spencer and through German materialist philosophers)." I agree. Indeed, Nietzsche himself had his own problems with consistency and intellectual integrity. I suspect that this was part of his appeal, especially for those who want to assert their will to power while indulging in the most egregious logical contradictions. It is among the greatest of temptations: tyrannical control without intellectual responsibility.StephenB
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...but because it is a self-correcting enterprise...
Error exists.Mung
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In re: Kairosfocus @ 38:
(And yes, the idea that worldviews need not have roots, does not seem to me to be particularly viable. The famous raft metaphor misses that the raft is floating because it is supported by the water and the principle of floatation. Shifting to a spaceship only leads to a subtler foundation the materials and forces of nature and the design principles that allow a space craft to exist and work.)
There might be quite good criticisms of anti-foundationalism in epistemology, but I'm having trouble seeing how this is one of them, for the following reason. The "raft metaphor," made famous by Otto Neurath, captures the idea that justification is a social practice. Here I like to invoke Robert Brandom's phrase, "the social space of reasons": what it is for any particular claim to be justified is its inferential relation to other claims. (It is important to notice here that this is a claim about justification, not about truth. One can, I think, hold both a certain 'coherentism' about justification while still embracing something like a 'correspondence' theory of truth.) Now, one might object, "but grounds the social space of reasons?" (I take it that this is the point that Kairosfocus wants to raise.) In response, I'd like to call attention to a deep ambiguity in the very concept of "grounds": sometimes 'grounds' is used to mean 'justifies' and sometimes it is used to mean 'causes' or 'actualizes'. Call these the "epistemic sense of 'grounds'" and the "metaphysical sense of 'grounds'". And I want to keep those two notions quite distinct, because I accept a sharp distinction between reasons and causes. (If one fails to make that distinction, and assimilates reasons to causes, one has materialism; if one assimilates causes to reasons, one has rationalism and maybe even idealism.) So, I want to make a distinction between these two questions:
what justifies the space of reasons as a whole?
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what causes or actualizes the space of reasons as a whole?
The first question, I submit, has no answer: justification only takes place within the space of reasons, and so the space of reasons it itself 'ungrounded' (taking 'grounds' in its epistemic sense). For any particular claim, there are grounds (conditions of justification, of warrant, of assertability, etc.), but there are no grounds for the grounds as a whole. The grounds are ungrounded, if you like. But the space of reasons is 'grounded' in the metaphysical sense, which is how I interpret Kairosfocus' point here:
the raft is floating because it is supported by the water and the principle of floatation . . . the materials and forces of nature and the design principles that allow a space craft to exist and work.
The water supports the raft, or 'grounds' it, if you will, but in the metaphysical sense, not the epistemological sense. To shift out of the metaphor, there are material conditions of actualization of the social space of reasons, including such things as the history of life on this planet, the particular evolutionary trajectories that led to Homo sapiens, the neurophysiological processes that implement rational thought, and the process of infant and child psychological development. That is what 'grounds' the 'raft' -- not in the epistemic sense if 'grounds', but in the metaphysical sense.
One seems forced to choose between the picture of an elephant which rests on a tortoise (What supports the tortoise?) and the picture of a great Hegelian serpent of knowledge with its tail in its mouth (Where does it begin?). Neither will do. For empirical knowledge, like its sophisticated extension, science, is rational, not because it has a foundation but because it is a self-correcting enterprise which can put any claim in jeopardy, though not all at once. (Sellars,"Empiricism and the Philosophy of Mind")
Kantian Naturalist
December 16, 2012
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StephebB: I don't disagree overly much, but I would be reluctant to embrace a "Great Man" (or Woman) theory of history -- though yes, I do think that intellectuals, artists, and visionaries function as junctures or transitions between one cultural epoch and another by how they synthesize what has come before, transform it, and communicate it. On a minor note, the influence of Nietzsche and Darwin on Nazism tells us that the Nazis were not overly concerned with intellectual integrity or consistency -- Nietzsche was severely critical of Darwinism (which he knew of second-hand through German translations of Herbert Spencer and through German materialist philosophers).Kantian Naturalist
December 16, 2012
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'Now this is completely unheard of in science as far as I know (especially as far as the forever plastic ‘Darwinian science’ is concerned).' Maybe, 'Darwinian science' should be reclassified as one of the plastic arts, BA, since it is, evidently, one of the Fine Arts, not bearing any scientific sense of the term, such as, 'prior art', in the patents field.Axel
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'Oh, and try and tell me in monosyllables, will you, there's a good chap? No need for the details.'Axel
December 16, 2012
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Moran's question sounds a bit like me asking Cornelius Hunter, 'What's the latest on the gizmeter, epigenetic, allele, spondulix front, then, Cornelius?Axel
December 16, 2012
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'Larry Moran asks: “Do philosophers take William Lane Craig’s arguments seriously?”' An unusually demoralised way to express an 'ad hominem'. The broadest, most unspecific question concerning the opinions of others about a person. Rather like someone coming in and sitting down in the middle of a film or show on TV, and asking, 'What's happened?' Or a sporting event, 'What's the score'? Not exactly 'bringing anything' to the party. William Lane Craig's devastating rebuttals of atheism in all its guises(sic) seems to absolutely infuriate 'our friends'.Axel
December 16, 2012
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Borrowed years ago from somebody -- I have forgotten who -- out on the Net somewhere.kairosfocus
December 16, 2012
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KF, Love your crisp denotation of your 'two cents'.Axel
December 16, 2012
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Oh well, Epistemology is obviously a branch of philosophy! Better go get some ugly sleep.kairosfocus
December 16, 2012
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Folks: I first observe that there is a reason why our most respected degree roughly translates as "teacher of the love of wisdom," philo + sophia. (As in Dr Moran needs to think about what the very title of his Ph.D is trying to tell him.) Going beyond, I think we have a problem of scientism that, overly impressed with the achievements of science and ill-equipped to appreciate either its inherent epistemological limitations nor the need for ethical balance, nor yet the significance of other disciplines, views such with undue contempt. Many actually imagine that "Science" delimits what is knowable -- the Lewontin comment about seeing Science as "the only begetter of truth" comes to mind. Ironically, such is an assertion in epistemology, which is obviously a branch of physics closely tied to metaphysics and logic, which are perhaps as core as you get in philosophy. And, so also, it is immediately self-referential and incoherent. But those who think like that, are blissfully unaware. Philosophy is of course the mother discipline of the academy, and therefore as we come close to the heart of any discipline, philosophical issues and contributions for good or ill will come up. But also, so will worldview commitments, and in the case of the debates surrounding the design inference, that means we are up against the sort of a priori evolutionary materialism that is the dominant feature of current naturalism. Blend scientism with evolutionary materialist ideology, toss in the notion that these have cornered the market on intelligence and progressiveness in thought [notice the agenda-serving twists all of these words and many more like that have received], and you have a potent brew that warps ability to recognise the limitations of science, or to recognise and respect the significance of the contributions of other disciplines. Hence the sort of open contempt we so often see, and also the sort of ill-disguised dismissive rage that comes from some of those who find themselves obsessed with trying to knock down design theory discussions and to try to discredit anyone who says something positive about ID, not only Mr Craig but even blog contributors and commenters. When it comes to the issue of arguments to God, I noted in my own current thread that when I was an undergrad, arguments to God were a dead issue, not even worth more than a line or two. It is men like Craig who have worked hard, addressed major issues in fresh ways and have put these things back on the table, as serious current issues. But, that will raise the hackles of ever so many who patently find the shadow of Him Whom They Do Not Wish To Exist on the doorstep, much less a Divine Foot in the door, or worse, the Divine Self sitting at the table of serious discussion. That sort of teenager rebellion writ large seems to cover much of the tone and substance of the sorts of objections, denigrations and dismissals we see. With all due respect, it is time for such to grow up. There have always been serious people who have taken God seriously, and not a few of these, favourably. In terms of the actual arguments, my own view is that we need to get back to the issue of building worldviews from the ground up as a part of the intellectual furniture of any reasonably educated person. And yes, that means I accept the importance of seeing that in reasoning, we need to move from A to B and onward, then see the implication of infinite regress, vs circularity vs a finitely remote set of first plausibles. In that context, we need to realise that there are self-evident truths, such as Josiah Royce's "error exists." Similarly, that there are such things as self-evident first principles of right reason having to do with the distinct identity of things and our ability to distinguish A and NOT-A. Similarly, that it is reasonable to ask of a thing, why does it exist [i.e. sufficient reason], leading to the issues of contingent being, cause and necessary being. From this cluster of themes, we can see much more, and they put on the table the question of how do we come to be in a credibly contingent cosmos. THAT MEANS WE HAVE A QUESTION OF SUFFICIENT REASON AND CAUSE. Hence the relevance of the view that there is a necessary being sufficient to be the cause of the cosmos we experience, one that must be adequate to account for a fine tuned cosmos, for life in it as a consequence, for the credibility and capacity of mind, and for the significance of morals. That is, we see the relevance of several of the arguments to God, at least on an inference to best explanation in light of comparative difficulties basis. It is not a sign of intellectual incompetence to think about such, nor of irrelevance or being subject to dismissal as unserious. Just the opposite. Indeed, it is quite clear that much of the ire we see is because asking such questions in such a context puts the sort of ideological, a priori evolutionary materialism and scientism that are so common under the microscope of scrutiny. A scrutiny that it has serious problems bearing, once the notion that chance and necessity acing blindly fully accounts for the world per the assured results of Science, is no longer utterly dominant. So, it is time to seriously think again about the roots of our worldviews. (And yes, the idea that worldviews need not have roots, does not seem to me to be particularly viable. The famous raft metaphor misses that the raft is floating because it is supported by the water and the principle of floatation. Shifting to a spaceship only leads to a subtler foundation the materials and forces of nature and the design principles that allow a space craft to exist and work.) $ 0.02 KFkairosfocus
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Moran says:
So, here’s a question for you philosophers out there. Is Craig correct? Is it true that most philosophers defend arguments for god’s existence based on “reason and evidence alone”? Is it true that philosophy departments have sunk to this level? … Remember, the question I’m asking isn’t whether his conclusion is correct (it isn’t). It isn’t whether his arguments are bad (they are remarkably bad). It’s whether most philosophers respect his arguments and grant that they are legitimate and sound philosophical arguments.
And just the other day, we had a wonderful post by johnnyb talking about this very tactic used by darwinists called "poisoning the well" https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/jerry-coyne-and-poisoning-the-well/ And as vtorley pointed out, Moran is NOT a philosopher, but he felt the need to chastise philosophers who accept Craig's valid arguments because all that matters is the promotion of the darwinian myth and atheism, not science, reason, rationality or logic. Moran's desperation is showing.Blue_Savannah
December 15, 2012
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KN "The problem here isn’t that Nietzsche was some influence on Nazism, but that there are very few 20th-century philosophers, artists, musicians, scientists, political thinkers who weren’t influenced by Nietzsche to some degree or other." That is like saying, "the problem here isn't that Rousseau was some influence on the French Revolution, but that there are very few 20th Century artists, musicians, philosophers, scientists, and political thinkers who weren't influenced by Rousseau to some degree of another." In fact, Nietzsche (and Darwin) did exert a heavy influence on the Nazis. One could reasonably argue that Nietzsche and/or Darwin did not mean to inform Nazism, but it cannot be reasonably argued that the Nazis did not interpret both men in terms of prefiguring their own philosophy. Clearly they did and the The broader point, though, persists. When it comes to social transformation, it is the philosophers who provide the rational justification and set the moral tone.StephenB
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Not that I want to get into a protracted discussion about Nietzsche, but it is worth pointing out that the extent of his influence on Hitler is pretty complicated. Of the various books on the subject, the one I liked most was Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?: On the Uses and Abuses of a Philosophy. The problem here isn't that Nietzsche was some influence on Nazism, but that there are very few 20th-century philosophers, artists, musicians, scientists, political thinkers who weren't influenced by Nietzsche to some degree or other. Some of them were on the far right, some were on the far left, and some were solidly in the middle. Some of them disagreed with him profoundly but took him seriously, others agreed with him in some respects and not in others.Kantian Naturalist
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Hi Alan, You write: "Not sure whether Hitler was influenced by any particular philosophical treatise. I think he was driven by his burning sense of injustice and took his justification wherever he found it. The most unfortunate thing is that there was so little effective political opposition in the mid thirties." The fire that burns in a the heart of a partisan activist or a reformer is almost always ignited by a philosopher. Without the intellectual superstructure, nothing happens. Neitzsche >>>> "blood poisoning" >>>> Hitler >>>> [The Jew] "poisons the blood of others, but preserves his own. Neitzsche >>>> "Superman" >>>>Hitler >>>> "Master Race" Other brief examples include, [Philosopher] Rouseau >>> French Revolution [Philosopher] Ockham >>>> Protestant Reformation [Philosopher] Hume >>>> Charles DarwinStephenB
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Alan Fox, Wouldn't you agree that the 20th century philosophers Isaiah Berlin, Karl Popper, Hannah Arendt and Robert Nozick have contributed in a positive way to modern life through their philosophy?vjtorley
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Hi bornagain77, In answer to your question about Antony Flew, Richard Carrier acknowledged back in 2004 that "Flew is one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century, even making the shortlist of "Contemporary Atheists" at About.com." BBC correspondent William Crawley wrote in 2010 that in his hey-day, "he [Flew] was widely seen as the philosophical heir to Bertrand Russell as the country's leading public atheist." On a personal note, when I studied philosophy at the Australian National University back in the 1980s, Antony Flew was given more prominence than any other atheist philosopher, and his arguments were treated with the utmost seriousness. A whole generation of philosophy students grew up reading Flew's parable about the invisible gardener. Associate Professor Randal Rauser recently declared that "Flew's essay (now sixty years old) is probably the most reprinted essay in the philosophy of religion in the last half century and helped make Flew perhaps the world’s leading skeptic for a time." So yes, Antony Flew was very influential, and could fairly be described as the world's most famous atheist in his later years - which makes his conversion to Deism shortly before his death all the more remarkable.vjtorley
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Mung, that just means King had a Ph.D., not that his Ph.D. was in philosophy. In fact, though, King was well-read in philosophy and theology. Personally, I'd be willing to call him a philosopher; heck, I'd be willing to teach his work in philosophy classes.Kantian Naturalist
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Although I do think that the survey data about the attitudes and positions amongst professional philosophers doesn't really tell us anything of interest, and that might be closer to what Alan Fox had in mind.Kantian Naturalist
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King became pastor of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama, when he was twenty-five years old, in 1954. King then began doctoral studies in systematic theology at Boston University and received his Doctor of Philosophy on June 5, 1955.
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@Alan Fox Before I engage further with your foolishness, I want to get something clear. Are you denying that philosophers have had a major impact on the modern socio-political landscape? I ask because if I'm going to have to go to the trouble of educating you, I want to be clear that you are in fact disputing what I say, so that when you are shown to be talking complete garbage you can't squirm away by claiming you never disagreed in the first place. So, do you understand that, eg, Marx played a significant role in shaping the politics of the Soviet Union and therefore world politics in the 20th century, or have you never heard of Marx and so don't know if it's true, or do you disagree?djockovic
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Please, not Slavoj Zizek! :) Among living philosophers who have contributed something positive to modern culture and politics, here are three names, right off the top of my head: Jurgen Habermas, Martha Nussbaum, Cornel West, and Michael Sandel. Habermas, for his role as a public intellectual in modern German politics and culture, including his voice in debates about the EU, his contributions to re-unification, and his opposition to German neoconservatives who wanted to white-wash the Nazi legacy. Nussbaum, for her role in working with Amartya Sen in developing a more nuanced model of global poverty and development, the "Capabilities Approach" Sandel, for his widely-acclaimed lectures on justice, and for his insistence on "the moral limits of markets" West, for his leadership within the American Black community. I don't think that immediate public utility is the best indication of a philosopher's contributions, and no doubt most philosophy is superfluous sophistry (then again, most of anything is superfluous), but there are some names -- make of them what you will.Kantian Naturalist
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Nietzsche’s philosophy shaped Hitler. Hegel’s philosophy shaped Marx and Feurbach, which in turn, shaped Stalin. Wherever you witness wanton destruction and murder, you will find the influence of a bad philosopher.
Hi Stephen Not sure whether Hitler was influenced by any particular philosophical treatise. I think he was driven by his burning sense of injustice and took his justification wherever he found it. The most unfortunate thing is that there was so little effective political opposition in the mid thirties.Alan Fox
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I didn’t say everyone on that list contributed to modern life.
No, indeed. You just posted a link to Wikipedia. Who on that list has contributed to modern life via philosophy?Alan Fox
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I didn't say everyone on that list contributed to modern life. But many do. Anyway, you're just being silly now. You made a point, it was blown out of the water in about 10 seconds, and now you're trying to salvage it by pretending not to understand how the socio-political systems we have in place were shaped by the work of thinkers through the ages.djockovic
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I just question the idea there is an effective discipline called philosophy that has any impact on modern life.
Nietzsche's philosophy shaped Hitler. Hegel's philosophy shaped Marx and Feurbach, which in turn, shaped Stalin. Wherever you witness wanton destruction and murder, you will find the influence of a bad philosopher. Wherever you find reform or positive innovation, you will find the influence of a good philosopher. Tell me which movement you have in mind, constructive or destructive, and I will tell you which philosopher led the way. Tell me what you think, and I will point you to the thinker or thinkers that prompted you to think itStephenB
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OK I'll grant you Slavoj Žižek! ;)Alan Fox
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