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Professor Larry Moran’s latest post on Sandwalk criticizes Jonathan McLatchie for claiming that Intelligent Design is a legitimate scientific investigation. On the contrary, declares Moran, Intelligent Design is a movement whose members are motivated by a desire to discredit materialism and defend their belief in a Creator. 99% of ID activities, he claims, are attacks on evolution, rather than attempts to scientifically identify which objects were designed. Moran respects McLatchie for his solid grasp of evolutionary biology, but regards him as having “fallen in to the trap of deceiving himself about his true motives.”

But even if Professor Moran’s characterization of the motives of ID proponents were entirely correct, it would be utterly irrelevant. The reason is that science is a methodology – a point highlighted by McLatchie in a recent video on Uncommon Descent. As McClatchie aptly puts it:

“Well, I think Intelligent Design certainly is a science, because it’s based on the standard principles of scientific methodology, with respect to the past: it’s basically an historical abductive method, which is the methodology employed even by Charles Darwin, in his formulation of the theory of evolution by natural selection. Charles Darwin, of course, was influenced by the work of the famed nineteenth century geologist Charles Lyell, in his Principles of Geology, where Charles Lyell basically insisted that … if you want to explain events in the remote past, one should let one’s present experience of cause and effect guide one’s search for the best explanation. So I would argue Intelligent Design is a science by virtue of the fact that it’s … predicated upon historical standard scientific principles.”

Because science is defined by its methodology, any attempt to discredit a field such as Intelligent Design by casting aspersions on the motives of its leading practitioners completely misses the point. No matter what their motives might be, the only question which is germane in this context is: do Intelligent Design researchers follow a proper scientific methodology, and do ID proponents support their arguments by appealing to that methodology? The answer to this question should be obvious to anyone who has read works such as Darwin’s Black Box, The Edge of Evolution, Signature in the Cell and Darwin’s Doubt. Intelligent Design researchers and advocates commonly appeal to empirical probabilities (which can be measured in the laboratory), mathematical calculations (about what chance and/or necessity can accomplish), and abductive reasoning about historical events (such as the Cambrian explosion) which bear the hallmarks of design.

In his endeavor to smear the reputation of Intelligent Design as a discipline, Professor Moran commits the genetic fallacy, which can be defined as the attempt to “discredit or support a claim or an argument because of its origin (genesis) when such an appeal to origins is irrelevant” (Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, article Fallacies). Moran tries to discredit the claims of the ID movement by arguing that these claims have their origin in the religious motivations of their leading proponents. However, the appeal to origins is irrelevant because it is methodology, not motivation, which determines what counts as good or bad science.

When Moran writes that “it’s just a bald-faced lie to claim that Intelligent Design Creationists are motivated by a genuine scientific search for evidence of design,” he is engaging in propaganda, by portraying scientists as dispassionate researchers who are totally devoid of personal motives in their research. This is nonsense. The question of whether life on Earth was designed or not is one which we are all, to some degree, motivated to either accept or reject, on temperamental grounds. Nevertheless, most of us are capable of putting our feelings aside when we have to.

I suspect that many evolutionary biologists are not only skeptical of God’s existence, but actually don’t want there to be a God. In particular, they may feel nauseated by the idea of a Being who produced human beings by a bloody, messy process such as evolution, killing billions and billions of animals in the process. But even if a visceral opposition to the notion of a Deity were the driving force animating their research, it would in no way invalidate that research. The only thing that could undermine these scientists’ work would be poor methodology.

Creationism, on the other hand, makes no attempt to follow a scientific methodology in arriving at its conclusions. In creationism, the conclusions are dictated by the Bible, and what it says trumps any scientific findings which may point to a contrary conclusion. Hence it is highly misleading of Professor Moran to argue that Intelligent Design is no different from creationism, because its main goal is simply “to provide scientific justification for the belief in a creator god.” Intelligent Design, unlike creationism, has no “higher authority” which can dictate the scientific conclusions it reaches.

As for Professor Moran’s claim that Intelligent Design proponents’ focus is primarily aimed at discrediting unguided evolution rather than building a positive case for design, I can only reply that a design inference in ID can only be made after other explanations have been ruled out, so as a matter of necessity, much of what ID researchers do will be negative, and aimed at eliminating conventional explanations, before any positive conclusion can be reached that a given object was designed.

I shall stop here, and throw the discussion open to readers. What do you think?

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Hi RDFish:
If we are the descendents of ET life forms, that explains life on Earth, even though it reveals a further mystery of where those ET life forms came from.
OK. Some people can work on the design and others can try to tackle that. The genetic code is evidence that life on earth was designed. We say that with the same confidence we can say Stonehenge was designed- both exhibit signs of work. cheers, Virgil CainVirgil Cain
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Hi mike1962,
RDFish: DNA is not a greeting OR message that conveys information from one intelligent life form to another; it is a molecular mapping of amino acid sequences to proteins. Nobody knows how it came to exist. (emphasis added) MIKE: I don’t see “greeting” as a requirement in SETI’s criteria. You are adding this as a requirement beyond the presence of coded information. Okie dokie.
You understand the concept of disjunction, right? Did you miss the "OR" in my statement? I guess so. Anyway a greeting is a type of message obviously. Human languages convey arbitrary messages between human beings, by virtue of social conventions regarding both what the words mean and how the words can be combined into sentences. This makes it difficult to imagine how we might decode messages from extra-terrestrials, and also illustrates how different DNA encoding is from natural languages.
You made an argument that the alien-ancestors hypothesis is a simpler and therefore better hypothesis than the alien-designers hypothesis. I debunked your argument on the basis of parsimony.
Sorry, I completely missed the part where you debunked my argument on the basis of parsimony or anything else. Once you posit the existence of ET life forms, it becomes simpler to imagine that we are descendents of these life forms than to imagine that they designed our genomes. And besides, there is no evidence of any ET life forms in the first place. So, the hypothesis that ET life forms designed life on Earth is not a good hypothesis.
I notice in your quoting, you clipped out the essence of my rebuttal to your alien-ancestor-is-superior hypothesis. Why?
I've responded to all of your points. Here is what you said that I didn't quote, and I will repeat my responses and try to make them as clear as I can:
If coded information is a reasonable pointer to an intelligent civilization of designers, then such a civilization, who cannot be our ancestors, is back there somewhere.
You failed to say why this civilization cannot be our ancestors!
If it’s back there somewhere, then the alien-ancestor hypothesis simplifies nothing and is therefore superfluous.
If we are the descendents of ET life forms, that explains life on Earth, even though it reveals a further mystery of where those ET life forms came from. If we posit an Intelligent Designer, we are likewise left with a further mystery of where this Designer came from (as well as what the heck is meant by a "Designer" in this context anyway!) In any event, once again: Once we posit the life on Earth came from extra-terrestrial life forms, it is indeed simpler to hypothesize mere ancestry rather than advanced bio-engineering. But beyond that, we still have the problem that such things are all merely hypotheses anyway, in need of evidence that one of them may be true. There is none. Cheers, RDFish/AIGuyRDFish
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RDFish: DNA is not a greeting or message that conveys information from one intelligent life form to another; it is a molecular mapping of amino acid sequences to proteins. Nobody knows how it came to exist. I don't see "greeting" as a requirement in SETI's criteria. You are adding this as a requirement beyond the presence of coded information. Okie dokie. Hah! How should I know? Where did your Intelligent Designer come from? SETI are the ones looking for coded information as a sign of intelligent life. You made an argument that the alien-ancestors hypothesis is a simpler and therefore better hypothesis than the alien-designers hypothesis. I debunked your argument on the basis of parsimony. And your response is "hah!"? You don't see the problem here? I notice in your quoting, you clipped out the essence of my rebuttal to your alien-ancestor-is-superior hypothesis. Why?mike1962
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Hi RDFish:
DNA is not a greeting or message that conveys information from one intelligent life form to another;
The genetic code is part of intracellular communication.
it is a molecular mapping of amino acid sequences to proteins.
There isn't any mapping. It is an actual translation system- from the symbols of mRNA codons to the functional proteins, ie specific amino acid sequences.
Where did your Intelligent Designer come from?
Hah! How should I know? The evidence for design says there was one. cheers, Virgil CainVirgil Cain
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Hi mike1962,
Let me get this straight. You (presumably) agree that coded information is evidence of an intelligent civilization, except that any such evidence found on earth doesn’t count?
A transmission of some greeting or message in a narrow-band electro-magnetic signal would be very much what we would expect from a civilization of extra-terrestrial life forms. DNA is not a greeting or message that conveys information from one intelligent life form to another; it is a molecular mapping of amino acid sequences to proteins. Nobody knows how it came to exist.
RDF: it would be simpler to hypothesize that we are simply the descendents of those life forms, rather than the product of some bio-engineering effort. MIKE: Where did the putative ancestor alien’s DNA/ribosome/protein-synthesis system originate?
Hah! How should I know? Where did your Intelligent Designer come from? Cheers, RDFish/AIGuyRDFish
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"We already provided the major characteristics." No you didn't. You provided groups. I would like a list of the charcteristics unique to human beings, so I can be reassured that R(eally)D(umb)Fishy knows what he's talking about. So far you haven't helped me at all. But I'm a patient guy. Please continue not answering. On the other hand, you have helped RDFish look like a dunce. Andrewasauber
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Do you have troubles with the distinction between Homo sapiens with other members of Homo?
According to evolutionism we are all one big family, descended from the same stock.Virgil Cain
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The cool thing about traits? DNA influences all of them. However being human is neither a trait nor a collection of traits.Virgil Cain
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asauber: So what are the traits/characteristics that distinguish human beings? We already provided the major characteristics. Humans are a type of deuterostome. Do you have troubles with the distinction between Homo sapiens with other members of Homo?Zachriel
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"Perhaps you are not from the planet Earth." Perhaps you don't know how to answer simple questions. Zachy, what are we going to do with you? Send you to the Internet Troll halfway house? Andrewasauber
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asauber: So what are the traits/characteristics that distinguish human beings? Perhaps you are not from the planet Earth. They think with their meat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQZachriel
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RDFish: First, we have no evidence that such a civilization has ever existed, despite the efforts of SETI. Let me get this straight. You (presumably) agree that coded information is evidence of an intelligent civilization, except that any such evidence found on earth doesn't count? it would be simpler to hypothesize that we are simply the descendents of those life forms, rather than the product of some bio-engineering effort. Where did the putative ancestor alien's DNA/ribosome/protein-synthesis system originate? If coded information is a reasonable pointer to an intelligent civilization of designers, then such a civilization, who cannot be our ancestors, is back there somewhere. If it's back there somewhere, then the alien-ancestor hypothesis simplifies nothing and is therefore superfluous.mike1962
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Howdy RDFish:
I’ve gotten all sorts of funny counter-arguments to my position here,...
LoL! "Funny" in that you refuse to address the substance that refutes all of your claims. That type of "funny" is the pathetic type of "funny". cheers! Virgil CainVirgil Cain
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Zachriel:
SETI uses code in the sense of a message; while with the genetic code, the code is just a mapping.
No, the genetic code is a code in the same way Morse code is a code. mRNA codons represent, ie are symbols for, amino acids. Just because we have mapped the symbols to the products doesn't mean the process is "just mapping". The message in messenger RNA contains, at a minimum, the instructions for the amino acid sequence it was sent to have produced.Virgil Cain
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sean samis- See if you can follow along: “The science of today does not nor cannot wait for what the science of tomorrow may or may not uncover”, that “Science is tentative exactly because it doesn’t wait.”
I objected, saying that “science is tentative because it does wait for the facts; because it MUST wait for the facts. Not just scientists: that’s what HONEST PEOPLE MUST do.” You replied “I never said otherwise.”
I never said science doesn't wait for the facts. The science of today works with the facts it has today. It cannot wait for whatever the facts may be tomorrow because they may not change.
The “design hypothesis” is unproven and probably unprovable.
Science isn't about proof. However the design inference is both testable and potentially falsifiable. ID has stated exactly what those are.
Since the explanatory filter is itself unreliable, it cannot refute anything.
The EF is as reliable as the people using it and the data they use. The EF is a process all design inferences must pass to conform with Newton's four rules of scientific investigation, Occam's razor and parsimony. Also the EF refutes RDFish's claim that ID is only a negative argument as the decision to infer design is based on the presence of positive evidence, ie a criteria of design.
Asserting intelligence may change things, but it is an untestable claim.
And yet we have said exactly how to test it. OTOH materialism is untestable.Virgil Cain
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mike1962: So then, since the DNA/ribosome/protein-synthesis system uses coded information (a criterion of intelligence for SETI http://www.seti.org/faq#obs9) it is reasonable to conclude that a technologically advanced civilization of intelligent life forms designed it? It's a conflation of the term "code". SETI uses code in the sense of a message; while with the genetic code, the code is just a mapping. Now, if you were to find the Bible encoded in the genome, or a hologram of the designer telling us the meaning of existence, then that would constitute a message in the sense used by SETI.Zachriel
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"So, for instance, mammals are characterized by mammary glands, among other traits" So what are the traits/characteristics that distinguish human beings? Pull, pull, pull. You're almost there, Zachy. Andrewasauber
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asauber: Which are? In brief, eukaryota, metazoa, bilateria, deuterostomia, chordata, craniata, vertebrata, gnathostomata, sarcopterygii, stegocephalia, amniota, synapsida, therapsida, mammalia, eutheria, primates, catarrhini, hominidae, homo, sapiens, sapiens. So, for instance, mammals are characterized by mammary glands, among other traits, as well as the traits of their containing group. That means mammals are also vertebrates, meaning they have a bony spine protecting a nerve cord. As pointed out, there is a type for Homo sapiens, Carl Linnaeus.Zachriel
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Hi mike1962,
So then, since the DNA/ribosome/protein-synthesis system uses coded information (a criterion of intelligence for SETI http://www.seti.org/faq#obs9) it is reasonable to conclude that a technologically advanced civilization of intelligent life forms designed it?
You might hypothesize that, but it's not a very good hypothesis. First, we have no evidence that such a civilization has ever existed, despite the efforts of SETI. Second, if other life forms existed, it would be simpler to hypothesize that we are simply the descendents of those life forms, rather than the product of some bio-engineering effort. (Francis Crick hypothesized that we are descendents from extra-terrestrial life forms, for example). Cheers, RDFish/AIGuyRDFish
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"Biological taxonomies consist of detailed definitions" So you gave me the species. Now give me the detailed defintion that I asked for to begin with. Can you do it? Pulling teeth. Andrewasauber
October 28, 2015
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So far, the only attempt to counter my argument here is that we can't define what a human being is. That rebuttal is perfectly ridiculous, of course - is there anyone who would actually like to read my argument and debate it?RDFish
October 28, 2015
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Hi Andrew, Biological taxonomies consist of detailed definitions that describe the inclusion criteria for each species, genus, family, and so on. The definition of Homo is no less clear than for any other genus. Again, if you would like to claim you've somehow rebutted my argument by denying that scientists can objectively describe what a human being is, by all means let us agree to disagree. Cheers, RDFish/AIGuyRDFish
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"the characteristics that distinguish the species" Which are? Why is it like pulling teeth with you evo-heads answering simple questions? Andrewasauber
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asauber: No you haven’t. The designation Homo sapiens entails the characteristics that distinguish the species from other organic species. There's even a type, which happens to be Carl Linnaeus.Zachriel
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RDFish: And yes, if and when SETI researchers ever intercept the sort of signal that they believe would be sent by a technologically advanced civilization of intelligent life forms, they will not conclude that “intelligence” per se was responsible, but rather a technologically advanced civilization of intelligent life forms. So then, since the DNA/ribosome/protein-synthesis system uses coded information (a criterion of intelligence for SETI http://www.seti.org/faq#obs9) it is reasonable to conclude that a technologically advanced civilization of intelligent life forms designed it?mike1962
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"That is precisely what I’ve given, of course." No you haven't. You've given me a classification. Whenever you are ready to satisfy my request, please do so. Andrewasauber
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Hi Andrew,
I wanted a scientific definition that describes what makes a human being a human being.
That is precisely what I've given, of course. If you don't believe that biological taxonomic definitions are scientific, let's agree to disagree on that point :-) Cheers, RDFish/AIGuyRDFish
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"Please save us the time: please give us the “correct” idea of what a human being is." RDFish used the term. He needs to tell us what it means. Andrewasauber
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"In any event, what I mean by “human being” is this: any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens”. This isn't helpful. I wanted a scientific definition that describes what makes a human being a human being. You've given me a classification, not a definition. There's a difference, smart guy. Andrewasauber
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asauber @68: You wrote to RDFish:
I get the impression you may have an incorrect idea of what a human being is.
Please save us the time: please give us the “correct” idea of what a human being is. sean s.sean samis
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