Leyden and Teixeira: Political “Civil War” Coming Because of Global Warming

_{Cornelius Hunter

April 11, 2018

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Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey recently tweeted that Peter Leyden’s and Ruy Teixeira’s article, “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War,” is a “Great read.” The article both urges and forecasts a blue-state takeover of America where our current political divide gives way to a Democrat dominion. This new “Civil War” is to begin this year and, like the last one will have an economic cause. Unfortunately, the thinking of Leyden and Teixeira is steeped in scientific ignorance which drives their thesis. Read more

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ba77 @ 106 - wow. Just wow. You are now saying that Allan and I are not people. I guess we're done here.Bob O'H_{April 16, 2018
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No I don't need to. Moreover, I did not call people insane. I, for the good reason that your worldview is in fact barking mad insane, called You and Allan and all other atheists insane for believing it. I called YOU specifically a liar for, well, blatantly lying in the face of presented evidence, and then called you a jerk for being overly anally retentive on a point that is already made from at least two different angles now. And moreover, is a point I could care less if you personally accept or not. I am more than satisfied that the unbiased reader can clearly see who is being fair with the evidence and who is being severely disingenuous with it (i.e being a jerk in common parlance)bornagain77_{April 16, 2018
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ba77 - yes, you do need to dot the i's and cross the t's. You made the claim that glaciers are necessary for fertile soils - you need to back it up. Of course, it's so much easier to tell people that they are insane/liars/jerks etc.Bob O'H_{April 16, 2018
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Yes I have,, repeatedly now. I'm not dotting the i's and crossing the t's for you. You made the claim. Do your own homework.,,, Hint some of the mountains that feed the Blue Nile are listed in the first link. You can even find the studies for glaciation in different mountains from that link and from the previous link. Anyways, my point was made that you were lying waay back when it was revealed that the entire Ethiopian range was 'extensively glaciated'. After that fact, IMHO you were and are just being a jerk in demanding further detail from me for an unsubstantiated claim that you made in the first place. It is not on to me to prove YOUR claim. Only to disprove it. And that is done to my satisfaction. I could personally care less if you want to hold on to lies. It is not like there is much I can do about that anyway.bornagain77_{April 16, 2018
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ba77 @ 101 - no you haven't. You are getting closer, though.Bob O'H_{April 16, 2018
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Further connections:
Methodology and African Prehistory https://books.google.com/books?id=adjqADObNvMC&pg=PA366 Mountains of Ethiopia https://www.google.com/search?q=mountains+of+ethiopia+map&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&tbm=lcl&ved=0ahUKEwj23Y_Cxb7aAhWm64MKHWkdASEQtgMIKw&tbs=lrf:,lf:1,lf_ui:1&rldoc=1#rldoc=1&rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:!1m3!1d3832569.4103418784!2d39.2431945!3d10.195833499999999!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i151!2i366!4f13.1 Relief map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Ethiopia_relief_location_map.jpg Blue Nile Map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Blue_nile_map.png/220px-Blue_nile_map.png
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Yes I have made the connection,,,, post 88. I certainly would not have called you a bald faced liar and questioned your sanity unless I had made the connection.bornagain77_{April 16, 2018
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bs77 - you're just not getting it, are you? Just because the Ethiopian mountains had glaciers doesn't mean they feed into the Nile. Look at the Rockie mountains, for example. Some of the water that falls on them flows east, to end up in the Gulf of Mexico (e.g. via the Mississippi). Some flows west, into the Pacific. So you can't simply say that there is water on the Rockies, therefore it flows into the Mississippi. We have exactly the same thing with the Nile. Just because there are glaciers in the Ethiopian mountains doesn't mean that the water from them flows into the Nile. Some water from those mountains flows east, into the Indian ocean. Thus, it is not enough to establish that glaciers affected the Ethiopian mountains. You also have to show that they affected the parts of the mountain range that feeds the Nile. You haven't (yet) made that connection.Bob O'H_{April 16, 2018
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Bob you state:
Me: Moreover, I was originally satisfied to concede to you that glaciation may have played a somewhat negligible role in creating nutrient rich soils in tropical regions, Bob (and weave): Thank you for finally acknowledging this. I guess you now see that this falsifies Ross’ thesis (if we’re going to get all Popperian about this).
Actually, Dr Ross's thesis is that repeated glaciation was necessary to provide the nutrient rich soils of the plains in order for large populations of humans to exist. That evidence is supplied in post 96. The tropical regions, due to generally poor soil conditions, are unable to support the large populations of humans that we now have today. Dr. Ross's thesis is doing quite fine. You then repeat your bald faced lie
"no evidence that the glaciation affects the Nile".
And yet in post 86 and 88 evidence was presented of the Ethiopian Mountains being 'extensively glaciated' so much so that the "landscape as we see it today is the lava outpourings much modified by over 20 million years of erosion by water, wind and ice.". And we also have evidence in 86 and 88 that the Blue Nile contributes about 85% to the flow of the Nile River, and further evidence that "Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land." Thus, to my surprise, glaciation was found to play a key role in the tropical region of the Nile also in so far as providing nutrient rich soils. And even then the Nile region could hardly be expected to feed the large human population on Earth today. For that, as Dr. Ross pointed out, the repeated glaciation of the northern latitudes was required in order to provide large swaths of nutrient rich soils for the plains (post 96)' To repeat, Dr. Ross's claim is doing very well, whereas your claim, despite your repeated lying and trying to shift the goal posts, is far worse than what I had originally expected.bornagain77_{April 16, 2018
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ba77 @ 92 - Moreover, I was originally satisfied to concede to you that glaciation may have played a somewhat negligible role in creating nutrient rich soils in tropical regions, Thank you for finally acknowledging this. I guess you now see that this falsifies Ross' thesis (if we're going to get all Popperian about this). But then you write this:
Moreover, in digging deeper into the evidence, I found, to repeat, Glaciation (to my surprise) was integral to eroding the volcanic outcrops of the Ethiopian mountains, and providing the Nile with nutrient rich ‘black silt’ (post 86 and 88).
But provide no evidence that the glaciation affects the Nile. Yes, some of the waters of the Nile come from the Ethiopian mountains. But not all of the water in the Ethiopian mountains flow into the Nile. Just like not all water that falls on the Rockies flows into the Pacific.Bob O'H_{April 16, 2018
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Truth Will Set You Free, Yes, you are right. The situation is truly unfortunate and sad. And all for what? Even in this life, the benefits of believing far outweigh non-belief:
We concluded that for the vast majority of people the apparent benefits of devout belief and practice probably outweigh the risks.” – Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists – Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health – page 100 https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
So just pragmatically, even in this life there simply is no coherent reason to so staunchly and stubbornly (and I might add dishonestly) cling to disbelief in the face of all contrary evidence. Throw in the afterlife and the consequences become far, far, worse. As Pascal made clear in his infamous wager,,,
Pascal's wager https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dc00d7956881ce3e8ad5f5af54464d3c-c
,,, the pragmatic eternal benefits for betting on God far outweigh the eternal risks for betting against God. And remember, Pascal made that infamous argument from pragmatism long before modern science revealed the reality of a higher heavenly dimension and of a hellish dimension,,,
Quantum Mechanics, Special Relativity, General Relativity and Christianity - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKggH8jO0pk
,,, and also made the argument long before modern science discovered quantum biology which now gives us a firm 'scientific' basis for believing in an eternal soul that is capable of living past the death of the material body.
Darwinian Materialism vs. Quantum Biology - video https://youtu.be/LHdD2Am1g5Y Darwinism vs Biological Form - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNzNPgjM4w
Indeed, Christianity itself, specifically the resurrection of Jesus Christ from death, finds a place at the head of the dinner table of modern science in that Jesus Christ's resurrection from death provides an empirically backed reconciliation of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity into the much sought after 'theory of everything'.
Copernican Principle, Agent Causality, and Jesus Christ as the “Theory of Everything” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NziDraiPiOw Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words "The Lamb" - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tmka1l8GAQ
Thus, whist Pascal's wager could have been argued to be a probability of 50/50 for the atheist and/or agnostic back in Pascal's day, and therefore a extremely 'pragmatic' bet for the atheist and/or agnostic to make even then, today the 50/50 probability is simply shown to be non-existent for the atheist and/or agnostic. As far as our best science today can tell us, Pascal's wager is a sure thing, and not a 50/50 chance! If the atheist and/or agnostic has even one ounce of sanity left in his being, he should 'pragmatically' bet his life on God. And/or pray to God that he finds the willingness to bet his life on God. Music and Verse:
Jewel Who will save your soul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LukEq643Mk Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
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To further back up Dr. Ross's primary claim that glaciation was necessary to provide the nutrient rich soils that can sustain a large population of humans.
Soil wealth | Why North America Feeds the World Central North America, eastern Europe, northern China and the Argentine Pampas are the backbone of the world's agricultural production. In all of these areas, loess from a few feet to hundreds of feet thick blankets continental bedrock. With a high proportion of finely ground, fresh mineral grains, soils developed on loess are renowned for their fertility. Loess is so fertile that it can be farmed productively even after the topsoil is eroded off. The same can't be said for soils in most of the world, where rock lies just one to several feet below ground. North America’s tremendous agricultural productivity reflects a disproportionate share of the world's loess. But American agriculture’s foundation did not originate in place. Loess blew in on the wind. If you fly over northern Canada on a clear day you can see vast areas of naked rock, the geological scar of where it all came from. Over the past several million years, glaciers repeatedly overran most of modern Canada. As they grew and pushed south, the great ice sheets scraped off weak layers of soil and fractured, weathered rock, stripping the land down to fresh, hard rock. Bulldozed up by the ice, Canadian soils were carted to the melting front of the ice sheet and deposited as broad outwash plains built by rivers of meltwater. Strong winds then spread this fertile blanket of fine, glacier-ground silt across the American Midwest.,,, thick loess soils can maintain agricultural productivity for longer than can thin soils developed in place from rock weathering. In all likelihood, North America will be feeding the world for the foreseeable future because of its natural endowment of loess.,,, With a limited – and shrinking – global amount of highly productive cropland, the future of humanity hinges on whether we take care of the world's best soils.,,, http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/issues/soil-wealth-why-north-america-feeds-world How Loess Enriches the Soil It was made clear that hills mantled with loess can be biologically special in Eugene Odum's classic college textbook called Fundamentals of Ecology. Here Odum says that "Soils which have developed on material transported by glaciers, water, and wind are often extremely fertile (witness the deep loess soils of Iowa and the rich soils of the deltas of large rivers)." Why? One answer relates to the manner by which glaciers advance over the landscape, grinding the many kinds of rocks below them into small, silt-size particles. When the glacier melts, these particles are sent downstream in the melt water. Since the particles are derived from rocks of various mineral compositions, the mud deposited downstream is composed of a spectrum of elements. This same spectrum of varied elements is distributed over the land as loess when the mud dries and wind carries away the dried mud's loose particles. Thus, a handful of loess is almost like a multivitamin containing "all the essential elements." If the original soil below the loess happens to be a little deficient in magnesium, say, well, there's surely a bit of magnesium in the loess, since the loess-producing glacier during part of its journey in the north surely rolled over a dolomite outcrop, and dolomite contains magnesium. There are less direct ways by which loess enriches soil, too.,,, http://www.backyardnature.net/loess/enrich.htm
And here are Dr. Ross's claims again:
Ice Age is Ideal for Humanity Table 1: Ice Age Cycle Benefits for Humanity Melting ice fields brought nutrient-rich alluvial silt to the plains. Wind-blown dust delivered other nutrients to the plains. Melting glaciers water the plains. Ice field and glacier retreat formed millions of lakes. Formations of lakes and connecting rivers transformed barren deserts into productive land regions. Geological relief yielded abundant hydropower resources. Retreating ice sheets formed land bridges warm enough to facilitate human migration. Glacial retreat formed many safe harbors. Retreating ice sheets, ice fields, and glaciers formed rich ore deposits. Retreating ice sheets, ice fields, and glaciers made possible enhanced abundance of plants and animals during the warm interglacial episodes. Retreating ice sheets, ice fields, and glaciers created spectacular scenery. https://ses.edu/ice-age-is-ideal-for-humanity/ Fig. 2: Present Arrangement of Continents in the Northern Hemisphere. https://whydoyoubelieveblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-31-at-4-23-49-pm.png?resize=300%2C278
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BA77 @ 94: "... the insanity inherent to the atheistic worldview goes much much deeper than just these superficial disingenuous discussions of atheists here on UD." True indeed. These trolling a/mats are deluded to the point of lunacy.Truth Will Set You Free_{April 15, 2018
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well Allan Keith, I'm not 'resorting' to anything. I am calling the facts as I see them. Bob made a specific claim that was shown to be false and in direct contradiction to the evidence that was presented. I don't know where you are from but that is called being a bald-faced liar where I am from. And given Bob's, and now your's I might add, history of being completely disingenuous to the evidence presented for Design, and given much peer-review that clearly indicates atheists suffer mentally (and physically) when they forsake God (as already referenced), then I am well justified in questioning the sanity of all atheists (not just Bob's and your's) sanity when they pull such shenanigans. Moreover, the insanity inherent to the atheistic worldview goes much much deeper that just these superficial disingenuous discussions of atheists here on UD:
Basically the atheist claims he is merely a ‘neuronal illusion’ (Coyne, Dennett), who has the illusion of free will (Harris), who has illusory perceptions of reality (Hoffman), who, since he has no real time empirical evidence substantiating his grandiose claims, must make up illusory “just so stories” with the illusory, and impotent, ‘designer substitute’ of natural selection (Behe, Gould, Sternberg), so as to ‘explain away’ the appearance (i.e. illusion) of design (Crick, Dawkins), and who must make up illusory meanings and purposes for his life since the reality of the nihilism inherent in his atheistic worldview is too much for him to bear, and who must also hold morality to be subjective and illusory since he has rejected God. Bottom line, nothing is real in the atheist’s worldview, least of all, morality, meaning and purposes for life. Darwinists have lost any coherent basis for reality and are, in fact, adrift in a world of illusions and imagination with no discernible anchor for reality to grab onto. It is hard to fathom a worldview more antagonist to modern science and sanity itself that the Atheist's Darwinian has turned out to be worldview 2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
,,, it is no wonder that atheists suffer mentally and physically from such an insane worldview!,,, +++++++++++++++ Once again, Freeze thaw cycle was conceded to me (post 28, 30 and 31), You and Bob can't have it for your 'liquid water alone' thesis. In fact, the concession at 28, 30 and 31 by Bob is exactly the reason why I even challenged Bob on tropical regions in the first place. (Moreover, The evidence against Bob's position has only gotten much worse from what I originally thought it would be) As to your claim that lichens, mosses and bacteria can produce nutrient rich soil,,, well lichens, mosses and bacteria, have fairly limited ability to break up rocks into useful soils compared to the freeze-thaw cycle and glaciation. Moreover, they transform already existent nutrients into useful minerals,, but are dependent on nutrients in order to live in the first place. In fact the transformation of preexistant material into useful minerals can be quite spectacular in some cases. (Hazen) Caribou crap is 'recycled nutrients' for crying out loud. (But seeing as your post is complete BS, I can see why you would bring Caribou crap up in the first place) The fertility of Volcanic islands is an issue that I first brought up and conceded already to Bob,,, (Moreover, it is found that the historic Ethiopian glaciers radically transformed the Volcanic outcrops of the Ethiopian highlands which then supply nutrients to the Nile). All in all, your attempted rebuttal, as is usual for atheists, is all bluff and bluster. I seriously don't see how you guys can personally tolerate being so pathetic!bornagain77_{April 15, 2018
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Bs77, sad that you have to resort to calling someone a liar and question their sanity, and suggest mental illness, to bolster your viewpoint. Bob O’H has quite rightly stated that water alone is quite capable of moving fertile soil (Nile delta, Mississippi) and that it alone can erode rock and release trapped nutrients (Grand Canyon and many not so grand canyons: and volcanic islands). It was you that brought snow and ice into the discussion, not Bob O’H. And you equated it to how glaciers act with respect to the production of fertile soils, which is categorically wrong. All glaciers do is pulverize rock. Water and lichens and mosses and the freeze-thaw cycle and bacteria and caribou crap are all capable of producing fertile soil directly on bedrock without any glaciation. Hot springs (and cold ones) can release nutrients from rock and make them available for plant growth. The plant roots create crevaces in solid rock providing openings for water infiltration. Repeated freezing and thawing of these water infiltration is very good at breaking down rock and making more nutrients available. All of this without a glacier.Allan Keith_{April 15, 2018
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Bob, I am quite satisfied that the unbiased reader will see you for the bald-faced liar that you are. Glaciation (to my surprise) was integral to eroding the volcanic outcrops of the Ethiopian mountains. Moreover, I was originally satisfied to concede to you that glaciation may have played a somewhat negligible role in creating nutrient rich soils in tropical regions, and was not going to push the issue any further, but in post 28 and 30 and 31 you went further than that and said liquid water by itself, minus the freezing and expansion of ice, can do the trick of providing nutrient rich soils. That was a bridge too far. When shown to be wrong on that score, you then tried to disingenuously recover freezing and expansion of water, i.e. ice and snow, into your thesis. Sorry, you can't do that about face of what you had already conceded to my position. Moreover, in digging deeper into the evidence, I found, to repeat, Glaciation (to my surprise) was integral to eroding the volcanic outcrops of the Ethiopian mountains, and providing the Nile with nutrient rich 'black silt' (post 86 and 88). The conversation of 28, 30, 31, and papers of 86, 88, are there for all to see, and again, I am quite satisfied that the unbiased reader will see you for the bald-faced liar that you are. Dr. Ross's thesis has only gotten far stronger, not weaker, as more evidence has come to light. Of footnote, It is not an insult to question your sanity when I have very good reason for doing so. You may not like it, and may not want to seek out help for your mental illness, but on top of much peer review showing that atheists suffer mentally when they forsake God, my personal association with you also backs up my hunch on your mental condition. You have done little to alleviate my concerns about your mental health.bornagain77_{April 15, 2018
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bs77 @ 88 - You're not providing any evidence, other than (1) there were glaciers in present-day Ethiopia (irrelevant, unless they are in the Niles's watershed), and (2) the fertility from the Nile comes from snow & rainfall (very relevant, and also undermines your argument). You have been advancing the theory that glaciers are necessary for soil fertility, but you have repeatedly not provided the evidence. I've told you repeatedly what you need to show, but you've failed to do it, and indeed the evidence you have shown undermines your argument. Is there any chance that you could actually ask for the evidence I'm asking for? I have asked for something specific, but you don't seem to be able to show it. Go on, try doing some research to directly provide the evidence. If you can't find it, then perhaps consider Ross' thesis to be falsified. Either way, it'll be more rewarding than resorting to insult.Bob O'H_{April 15, 2018
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Again ET, as is usual for atheists, he is making a false claim with no support.bornagain77_{April 15, 2018
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Bob:
ET, in case you haven’t noticed. none of those links actually show that the Nile is affected: he needs to show that the areas that were glaciated are in the Nile’s watershed.
Snowball Earth. The entire planet was glaciated and affected.ET_{April 15, 2018
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"but the parts that were affected by glaciation don’t affect the Nile – those waters flow east, not north." As usual, you cite no evidence for that claim:
Nile River Facts the Blue Nile, rising in Ethiopia, contributes about 85% to the flow of the Nile River that passes through Egypt to the Mediterranean. … Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land.,,, When the floods went down it left thick, wealthy mud (black silt) which is excellent soil to plant seeds in after being ploughed. https://africa-facts.org/nile-river-facts/ Map - Blue Nile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Nile Relief map showing rivers flowing into the "Blue Nile" from the Ethiopian highlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Highlands#/media/File:Ethiopia_relief_location_map.jpg HYDROLOGY The Simien Mountains are important not just for biodiversity, but also as a water catchment area. Several rivers rise in SMNP and form tributaries to the Tekeze River, which provides a source of water for millions of users downstream in Ethiopia as well as Sudan and Egypt. Most rivers in this area flow only after the rainy season, therefore the rivers that rise in Simien and flow year-round are a particularly important water source. http://www.simienmountains.org/the-park/hydrology Pleistocene Glaciation in Ethiopia: New Evidence Evigernce for a more extensive Pleistocene glaciation has been found on these peaks, but also on some lower peaks now ice-freee: the Aberdare Range, Kenya; Mount Elgon, Uganda (Nilsson, 1940); and the Simien Mountains of Ethiopia (Fig. 1A).,,, Most research on the subject of alpine glaciation in Ethiopia has centered on the Simien Mountains Ethiopia's highest massif (Nilsson, 1940; Scott, 1958; Mohr, 1963). However, there is evigernce of glaciation in another mountain area of Ethiopia. Nilsson (1940, p. 56 and 57) noted moraines on Mount Badda (lat. 7º 56'N., long. 39º 24'W.), https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/pleistocene-glaciation-in-ethiopia-new-evidence/FD226973C69D60FBD06682B5E6105E72/core-reader The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge parts of the planet Earth
Thus, Bob (and weave) is shown to be completely disingenuous to the evidence in hand once again. I seriously think that atheists, when they forsake God, begin to drift further and further into mental illness. This is not just idle talk either. I have good reason to suspect this to be the case:
“In the majority of studies, religious involvement is correlated with well-being, happiness and life satisfaction; hope and optimism; purpose and meaning in life; higher self-esteem; better adaptation to bereavement; greater social support and less loneliness; lower rates of depression and faster recovery from depression; lower rates of suicide and fewer positive attitudes towards suicide; less anxiety; less psychosis and fewer psychotic tendencies; lower rates of alcohol and drug use and abuse; less delinquency and criminal activity; greater marital stability and satisfaction… We concluded that for the vast majority of people the apparent benefits of devout belief and practice probably outweigh the risks.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health – page 100 https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
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bs77 - but the parts that were affected by glaciation don't affect the Nile - those waters flow east, not north. And once more, SNOW IS NOT THE SAME THING AS GLACIERS. So stop bringing that up as if it somehow help you. It does precisely the opposite - it explains the seasonal flooding that made the Nile valley so fertile without having to resort to ice ages. I guess the DSM 6 won't be put together for about a decade, so you've got a bit of time to persuade psychiatrists to adopt a new condition of "not accepting what ba77 thinks".Bob O'H_{April 15, 2018
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Too funny,,, I show that the Ethiopian Mountains were heavily impacted by glaciation,,,,
Geology and glaciation The main Bale highlands consist of the vast lava Sanetti Plateau, with at least six volcanic cones, each more than 4,200 meters high and considerably flattened by repeated glaciations.,,, During the Last ice age, the Bale Mountains were one of the most extensively glaciated areas in present-day Ethiopia, with a total area of ice in Bale of approximately 180 km2. There was a 30 km2 ice cap around the peak of Tulu Dimtu (the second highest mountain in Ethiopia) on the Sanetti Plateau and individual glaciers of considerable thickness reached down to 3,200 meters. As a consequence, the landscape as we see it today is the lava outpourings much modified by over 20 million years of erosion by water, wind and ice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bale_Mountains_National_Park#Geology_and_glaciation
,,, and also show that Melting snow and heavy summer rain runoff from the Ethiopian Mountains are the reason why the Nile flood plain is so fertile,,,
Nile River Facts the Blue Nile, rising in Ethiopia, contributes about 85% to the flow of the Nile River that passes through Egypt to the Mediterranean. … Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land.,,, When the floods went down it left thick, wealthy mud (black silt) which is excellent soil to plant seeds in after being ploughed. https://africa-facts.org/nile-river-facts/
And yet, in the mind of a Darwinian atheist, all that evidence counts for naught. ,,, I have a name for a new disease. D.C.D.D. ,,, also known as Darwinian Cognitive Dissonance Disorder. The disease is characterized mainly by temporary acute blindness of any evidence that is presented that might suggest Design, and the disease is further exasperated by the complete loss of rationality if any discussion of the evidence for Design takes place. With rare exceptions of remission, the disease appears to be incurable. :)bornagain77_{April 15, 2018
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Hmmm ET, in case you haven’t noticed, he is not right in his claim that glaciation ‘didn’t impact the watershed of the Nile’
ET, in case you haven't noticed. none of those links actually show that the Nile is affected: he needs to show that the areas that were glaciated are in the Nile's watershed. Being somewhat close isn't enough. It's like saying that I was responsible for Lady Diana's death because I was on the continent at the time (I was drinking in Giessen that evening). And this even flatly contradicts ba77's claim that glaciers are necessary:
Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land.,,, When the floods went down it left thick, wealthy mud (black silt) which is excellent soil to plant seeds in after being ploughed.
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Hmmm ET, in case you haven't noticed, he is not right in his claim that glaciation 'didn’t impact the watershed of the Nile'
List of glaciers in Africa Excerpt: Africa, specifically East Africa, has contained glacial regions, possibly as far back as the last glacial maximum 10,000 to 15,000 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers_in_Africa During the Last ice age, the Bale Mountains were one of the most extensively glaciated areas in present-day Ethiopia, with a total area of ice in Bale of approximately 180 km2. There was a 30 km2 ice cap around the peak of Tulu Dimtu (the second highest mountain in Ethiopia) on the Sanetti Plateau and individual glaciers of considerable thickness reached down to 3,200 meters. As a consequence, the landscape as we see it today is the lava outpourings much modified by over 20 million years of erosion by water, wind and ice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bale_Mountains_National_Park#Geology_and_glaciation https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Ethiopia_relief_location_map.jpg East Africa – map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/LocationEasternAfrica.png/245px-LocationEasternAfrica.png Nile River map http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/nile-river-map.gif Nile River Facts the Blue Nile, rising in Ethiopia, contributes about 85% to the flow of the Nile River that passes through Egypt to the Mediterranean. … Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land.,,, When the floods went down it left thick, wealthy mud (black silt) which is excellent soil to plant seeds in after being ploughed. https://africa-facts.org/nile-river-facts/ Repeated glaciation events last 450.000 years - graph https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Ice_Age_Temperature.png/300px-Ice_Age_Temperature.png
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The Nile doesn't cover the entire planet. The point is where there aren't any rivers glaciation did the job. Even the Nile has a very limited reach. It's all part of the intelligent design of the planetET_{April 14, 2018
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'What I’ve been saying is that it didn’t impact the watershed of the Nile.' and yet:
East Africa – map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/LocationEasternAfrica.png/245px-LocationEasternAfrica.png Nile River map http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/nile-river-map.gif Nile River Facts the Blue Nile, rising in Ethiopia, contributes about 85% to the flow of the Nile River that passes through Egypt to the Mediterranean. … Melting snow and heavy summer rain within the Ethiopian Mountains sent the torrent of water causing the banks on the River Nile in Egypt to overflow in this flat desert land.,,, When the floods went down it left thick, wealthy mud (black silt) which is excellent soil to plant seeds in after being ploughed. https://africa-facts.org/nile-river-facts/
What we've got here is a,,,
http://i0.wp.com/makeapowerfulpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/What-we-got-here-is-01.png?resize=608%2C281
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So evidence of glaciation in East Africa is NOT evidence of glaciation in East Africa?
I've never said that there wasn't glaciation in East Africa. What I've been saying is that it didn't impact the watershed of the Nile. None of the rest of your comment addresses this issue, so seems a bit of a waste of time.Bob O'H_{April 14, 2018
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So evidence of glaciation in East Africa is NOT evidence of glaciation in East Africa? Okie Dokie, got cha. Takes a while to catch on to this Atheistic and/or Darwinian reasoning. :) ,,, Up is down, black is white, and evidence is not evidence.,,, Is that about right???
List of glaciers in Africa Excerpt: Africa, specifically East Africa, has contained glacial regions, possibly as far back as the last glacial maximum 10,000 to 15,000 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glaciers_in_Africa
Moreover, as we can see from this following graph,,,
https://whydoyoubelieveblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-31-at-4-30-55-pm.png?resize=756%2C286
,,, which was taken from this site,,,
Ice Age is Ideal for Humanity https://ses.edu/ice-age-is-ideal-for-humanity/
And as we can also see from this following graph,,,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Ice_Age_Temperature.png/300px-Ice_Age_Temperature.png
,,, which was taken from this site,,,
Ice age - Glacials and interglacials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Glacials_and_interglacials
,,, from those two graphs we can see that there have been repeated glaciation events over the past 450,000 years with the temperature then (uncharacteristically) stabilizing for the past 9000 years or so. Thus, as Dr. Ross points out at about the 35 minute mark in this following video,,,
Life and Earth History Reveal God’s Miraculous Preparation for Humans – Hugh Ross, PhD – video (2014) https://youtu.be/n2Y496NYnm8?t=2097
Such repeated glaciation events over 450,000 years with the temperature then (uncharacteristically) stabilizing for the past 9000 years or so certainly makes it seem that God was preparing a suitable, nutrient rich, habitat for a large population of humans. Moreover, I would hold that God, in His infinite wisdom, foresaw all this preparation for humans in advance when he "Made it right the first time" in regards to Him creating the Solar system (post 72). Take from it what you will but seeing that Atheists have no clue why the climate of the Earth (post 5) should have been ‘surprisingly stable’ for life for all these billions of years in the first place, or any reason why the climate should be ‘uncharacteristically stable’ for humans right now or for any extended period of time hereafter, (Global Warming fiasco). Then clearly, only on Theism is the assumption of a stable climate warranted:
Genesis 8:22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”
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BA77,
As to how the Nile basic receives nutrients from (fairly recent) past glaciation events (and from present snow run off from freezing. expansion, melting of snow and ice):
The normal freeze-thaw cycles of temperate zones is a far cry from glaciation. Plant roots, lichens and burrowing animals are also a huge cause of rock breakdown and soil formation which proceeds without the need of glaciers.Allan Keith_{April 14, 2018
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ba77 @ 76 - we've been through this before. See my post @ 49 about glaciers in Africa. A quick precis: None of them were acting on the Nile watershed. And snow is not the same as a glacier.Bob O'H_{April 14, 2018
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