Intelligent Design L&FP 65c: Hossenfelder on the rest of the story on delayed choice quantum eraser exercises Posted on February 8, 2023February 8, 2023 Author kairosfocusComments(9) Spread the love Here: Still not duly humbled? What more would it take? KF
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L&FP 65c: Hossenfelder on the rest of the story on delayed choice quantum eraser exercises
Of note to Hossenfelder and Quantum Mechanics,
Although I greatly respect the way Hossenfelder has challenged string theory, and has pointed out its fatal flaws,
Although I greatly respect the way Hossenfelder has challenged string theory, it is interesting to note exactly where Hossenfelder herself, via her apriori belief in determinism, and/or atheistic materialism, has found herself to be at odds with experimental results from quantum mechanics.
Specifically, in 2018 Anton Zeilinger and company, via using distant quasars, pushed the ‘freedom of choice’ loophole all the way back to “7.8 Gyr ago the most recent time by which any local-realist influences could have exploited the “freedom-of-choice” loophole to engineer the observed Bell violation, excluding any such mechanism from 96% of the space-time volume of the past light cone of our experiment, extending from the big bang to today.”
After this experimental result came out some theoretical physicists, such as Sabine Hossenfelder, (instead of accepting this fairly impressive experimental result showing that we have free will in a real and meaningful sense), instead opted for believing in ‘super-determinism’.
Basically Hossenfelder, with super-determinism, is arguing that “that a particle detector’s settings may “conspire” with events in the shared causal past of the detectors themselves to determine which properties of the particle to measure — a scenario that, however far-fetched, implies that a physicist running the experiment does not have complete free will in choosing each detector’s setting.”
In other words, instead of believing what the experimental results of quantum mechanics are actually telling us, (i.e. that free will is a real and tangible part of reality),, the Determinist, and/or Atheistic Naturalist, is now forced to claim, via ‘superdeterminism’, that the results of the experiments were somehow ‘superdetermined’ at least 7.8 billion years ago, (basically all the way back to the creation of the universe itself), and that the experimental results are now somehow ‘conspiring’ to fool us into believing that our experimental results in quantum theory are trustworthy and correct and that we do indeed have free will.
To call such a move on the part of Atheistic Naturalists, (i.e. the rejection of experimental results that conflict with their apriori philosophical belief in ‘determinism’), unscientific would be a severe understatement. It is a rejection of the entire scientific method itself.
As should be needless to say, if we cannot trust what our experimental results are actually telling us, then science is, for all practical purposes, dead.
So Hossenfelder herself, as gifted as she is in science, has herself been betrayed by her apriori belief in determinism and/or atheistic naturalism, in that her apriori belief has led her to reject experimental results that conflict with her apriori philosophical belief in atheistic naturalism.
And it is not as if determinism had a leg to stand on before these experimental results came out. The denial, by atheists, i.e. their denial that we have free will in a real and meaningful sense, is self-refuting nonsense. Simply put, if we do not have free will in a real and meaningful sense then rationality itself dies, (and science dies along with it),
Moreover, the refusal to accept the free will, and/or agent causality, into quantum mechanics as a legitimate starting assumption is pretty doggone irrational to start off with.
Think about it. Men have intelligently designed these very sophisticated experiments into quantum mechanics. Elaborate experiments testing our most foundational assumptions about reality itself.
Sophisticated mathematical engineering lie behind the intricate and exacting, design of these experiments. The experiments also use our latest cutting edge technology (which, of course, has also been intelligently designed).
Elaborate mathematics, which men also intelligently formulated, and/or discovered, also lie behind the analysis of the results of these experiments.
Yet, none of these elaborate mathematical tools that are used to build and analyze these experiments would even exist if man did not first have free will in a real and meaningful sense.
And yet, after the thousands, upon thousands, of free will choices that are poured into intelligently designing these very sophisticated experiments in the first place, the atheist now wants to say that the measurement settings in these experiments were somehow ‘super-determined’ billions of years ago, (all the way back to the Big Bang itself), and that man is not truly free to choose whatever measurement setting in the experiment that he wants to choose?
No two ways about it. it simply is insane to deny that man has the freedom to choose whatever measurement setting he may so desire to choose in the experiment after all those thousands, upon thousands, of free will choices that went into designing the experiments in the first place.
So thus in conclusion, Hossenfelder herself, as gifted as she is in science, has, never-the-less, been seduced and ‘unscientifically’ led astray in quantum mechanics by her a-priori belief in atheistic naturalism.
BA77, this is not determinism, she explains what is not being reported in typical, accessible reports on delayed choice type versions of the double slit exercise. For example, the half of photons from the beam splitter tend to smear out and when second level detectors are added up you get a similar smear, though they may give band patterns when separate. That goes to issues of retrocausality etc. KF
KF, I did not comment on the highlighted quantum eraser experiment. I merely noted that Hossenfelder’s apriori naturalistic worldview had previously forced her to, ‘unscientifically’, deny Zeilinger’s 2018 experimental results for the reality of free will.
i.e. I merely wanted to show, since free will is found to be integral in quantum measurement, that it is NOT a small problem for those who are wedded to the worldview of atheistic naturalism. Even for a theoretical physicist of Hossenfelder’s caliber.
BA77, fortunately, as God’s creation, no incoherent scheme of thought can completely control our thinking and action. We have above a discussion of empirical results I am sure you will find illuminating, including the corrections of what others have said. KF
I’m not sure I get the reference to being humbled.
Sev, by Q-mech. KF
Thanks for your posts and links. I share similar respect for Dr. Hossenfelder and her courage for confronting weak speculations and unproductive imaginations.
Nevertheless, I noticed as you also pointed out that she jumps to some conclusions compatible with her philosophical prejudices, which then paralyzes her ability to achieve new insights since everything now has to pass through her cognitive filter.
I especially appreciated your link to Dr. Zeilinger’s interview, where he ends with this observation:
Again, Dr. Hossenfelder has no experimental data about the nature of consciousness or free will. She also denies the existence randomness except for some isolated instances that she waves off as inconsequential. So, she focuses her genius on maintaining a comfortable worldview rather than probing into the mysteries in quantum mechanics with an open mind to the experimental data.
But there’s profound significance in the probabilistic nature of a particles location in space-time and the probabilistic nature of the appearance of photons, electrons, positrons, pair production, nuclear decay, etc. There also seems to be a substrate of information behind the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and conjugate pairs. She can’t simply retreat into SUPERDETERMINISM, which functions also as a fourth gods-of-the-gaps joining MUSTA, MIGHTA, and MULTIVERSE.
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