Live Not By Lies

_{Barry Arrington

August 28, 2022

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The North Korean government claims Kim Jong Il made 11 holes-in-one in his first golf game. For a long time I wondered why they bother making up such outrageous lies. Then one day I realized that the very outrageousness of the lie IS the point.

Every tyrant’s power is built on a foundation of lies, and therefore tyrants must always condition their victims to the subjugation of lies. The more outrageous and unbelievable the lie, the better. Because the more outrageous the lie, the more the light in the victim’s soul fades when he repeats it, and as that light fades so too does his will to resist.

The point of the 11 holes-in-one story is not that anyone believes it. The point is that no one believes it. And every North Korean affirms what they know not to be true because they are afraid of the consequences if they do not.

The tyrant demonstrates he has true power over you if he is able to force you to murder your own soul.

Remember that the next time a progressive tries to berate you into affirming the lie that a man is in fact a woman

Comments

LCD, that cuts close to home. KF kairosfocus

Uninformed Consent(2022) -Official full documentary Lieutenant Commander Data

Sev, last I saw, it was black vans and maybe APCs, with agents in flak jackets and toting looks like M4's or perhaps AR15s. Grabbing people before dawn and parading them in handcuffs before oh so conveniently present agit prop media cameras is telling. So is locking people up under ridiculously over charged accusations for months or years and bankrupting them through process as punishment. Much more can be said. Including that assault or attack choppers and missile armed drones are just one step beyond that. Do I need to say, as I said as a 5th Former in 1976, I smell a Reichstag burning? (That was the launch of the 5 year civil war in my native land. Try to get and read a copy of Pearnel Charles' Detained.) Have we forgotten that history already? KF PS, found a newspaper article https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20201030/why-manley-said-pearnel-charles-was-locked-former-politician-yet-be kairosfocus

Sev, there may be cases like you use where some accuracy is helpful, but that does not extend to more abstract or inferential knowledge. We are back to the failure of evolutionary materialistic scientism and/or fellow travellers to account for mind. It takes responsible, rational, significantly free so morally governed status to be truthful or capable of freely and soundly inferring truth and sound warrant that it is true. There is no escaping the Haldane challenge on such a basis, as it becomes directly self referential. What you are actually doing is implicitly taking yourself as rational, precisely what is not available to a gigo limited computational substrate. You are unconsciously borrowing from the very worldviews you would dismiss. KF kairosfocus

Seversky at 68, Who cares about black helicopters? I'm far more concerned about the Official Accusers (TM) who are holier than thou. They will control the horizontal. They will control the vertical. They will control everything you see and hear. They believe they are perfect, and able to cast judgment on all lesser beings - that means you. Just like Godless Communists, they will order society as they see fit. relatd

Relatd/62
Guess what? CENSORSHIP is happening right now. They (The Global Cabal of Relabelers and Repackagers) now call it getting “canceled.’ So yeah, Sev, it is happening RIGHT NOW but you can’t be against it because once they find you, you will be taken out and… uh… cancelled.
Better be careful what you post here then or the unmarked black helicopters could be inbound before you know it. Seversky

Alan Fox/57
What would persuade you there may be a problem, when Florida slides gently beneath the waves?
Would that be a problem?
Not necessarily. Although, I suppose if an Ark were seen in Ron DeSantis's front driveway people might take the hint. Seversky

How many billionaires can tell a tornado is approaching? How man billionaires have more than one computer telling them the current (fake) value of Bitcoin? How many average, non-climatologist people are frightened daily by (fake) reports of disastrous climate change? relatd

Relatd/56
When billionaires sell their beachfront property in Florida due to a fake rise in the sea level. Until then, only making more and more money matters.
True, but how many billionaires are climatologists? Seversky

Kairosfocus/51
Sev,at least you acknowledge that truth is accurate description of actuality. However, it has long since been shown that there is little reason to assume or assert that survival value and truthfulness are necessarily interconnected.
I don't think so. If you jump off a tall building because you think the ground will absorb your impact as if it was sponge runner as in The Matrix or you walk in front of a speeding train because you think it's not really there, the chances are you won't survive for very long. Some false beliefs may be survivable but many more are not. It seems to me there is little doubt that truth-value and survival-value are closely connected. Seversky

Sev, the civil peace of justice is due balance of rights, freedoms, duties. Freedom of speech does not overturn duties of truth, warrant, prudent restraint, fairness, etc. Ironically, those who would deride and dismiss such will invariably imply what they would overturn. In that context, there is always a limit to freedom, starting with defamation and fraud. It extends to the restraints of decency to retain a family friendly public space so children can thrive in safety. And more, all of which are now being rapidly undermined by those exercising licence [and censorship of the despised other] under false colours of freedom. And yes, most of this is coming under further banners of progressivism which is little more than anticivilisational, misanthropic behaviour. We are in a literal world of trouble and soon, there will be Hell to pay. KF kairosfocus

Seversky at 60, Guess what? CENSORSHIP is happening right now. They (The Global Cabal of Relabelers and Repackagers) now call it getting "canceled.' So yeah, Sev, it is happening RIGHT NOW but you can't be against it because once they find you, you will be taken out and... uh... cancelled. relatd

Asauber You just described The Trans Community. Andrew
Trans Community is an illusion like Greta Thunberg. Lieutenant Commander Data

Kairosfocus/45
Sev, there is an issue of severe suppression and misrepresentation of facts through cynical censorship and narratives of half truth backed by the media and institutional power of the “progressive” cultural elites who have mutinied the ship of state. That has to be faced and resolved as a matter of defence of civilisation. KF
Unfortunately, we seem to have a choice between an unfettered as possible freedom of speech, which means that we have to tolerate things that we find personally offensive, or censorship, which is fine as long as it agrees with our own views, but not so good when it doesn't. Seversky

the extreme weather patterns recently
What extreme weather pattern? Question: When someone is nearly 100% wrong, does that mean the person actually endorses the opposite of what they ostensibly advocate? jerry

"when Florida slides gently beneath the waves?" Sev, Will monkeys typing the works of Shakespeare fly out of your butt at the same time? Cause it's eventually goin to happen, right? Andrew asauber

What would persuade you there may be a problem, when Florida slides gently beneath the waves?
Would that be a problem? Alan Fox

Seversky at 54, When billionaires sell their beachfront property in Florida due to a fake rise in the sea level. Until then, only making more and more money matters. relatd

"Have you noticed the extreme weather patterns recently?" Sev, Note the use of the word "weather". Use your fertile mossy mind to process what that could mean. Andrew asauber

Relatd/25
The world is run by whoever controls the most money.
To an extent, that's true, at least until those that don't have money decide to take matters into their own hands.
Climate change is a hoax to scare the cattle into buying electric cars.
Have you noticed the extreme weather patterns recently? What would persuade you there may be a problem, when Florida slides gently beneath the waves? Seversky

LCD at 50, Don't use invented words. "cancel" means nothing. They want to CENSOR people. CENSOR is the correct word. relatd

"subjects brainwashed enough to play the narative and in the same time to cancel everyone who oppose it" LCD, You just described The Trans Community. Andrew asauber

Sev,at least you acknowledge that truth is accurate description of actuality. However, it has long since been shown that there is little reason to assume or assert that survival value and truthfulness are necessarily interconnected. But that does not begin to show the undermining of mind implied by evolutionary materialistic scientism and/or fellow travellers. That turns truth into meaningless mouth noise. See the PS. KF PS, Haldane's indictment,
[JBSH, REFACTORED AS SKELETAL, AUGMENTED PROPOSITIONS:] "It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For
if [p:] my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain [–> taking in DNA, epigenetics and matters of computer organisation, programming and dynamic-stochastic processes; notice, "my brain," i.e. self referential] ______________________________ [ THEN] [q:] I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. [--> indeed, blindly mechanical computation is not in itself a rational process, the only rationality is the canned rationality of the programmer, where survival-filtered lucky noise is not a credible programmer, note the functionally specific, highly complex organised information rich code and algorithms in D/RNA, i.e. language and goal directed stepwise process . . . an observationally validated adequate source for such is _____ ?] [Corollary 1:] They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence [Corollary 2:] I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. [--> grand, self-referential delusion, utterly absurd self-falsifying incoherence] [Implied, Corollary 3: Reason and rationality collapse in a grand delusion, including of course general, philosophical, logical, ontological and moral knowledge; reductio ad absurdum, a FAILED, and FALSE, intellectually futile and bankrupt, ruinously absurd system of thought.]
In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter.” ["When I am dead," in Possible Worlds: And Other Essays [1927], Chatto and Windus: London, 1932, reprint, p.209. Cf. here on (and esp here) on the self-refutation by self-falsifying self referential incoherence and on linked amorality.]
kairosfocus

You know there are at least two sides to this coin. Now there’s pressure by the Trans Community to do what the Trans Community expects.
There is not such a thing like Trans Community . This is a global experiment that produce subjects brainwashed enough to play the narrative and in the same time to cancel everyone who oppose it. In a sane world Trans Community would not appear in first 1000 most important things for humanity. This insanity started decades ago and now we just observe the results . Even if today we would cancel this experiment(that start with kids sexual "education")there are few generations that already been brainwashed , guess who will be politicians and CEOs in the next 40-50 years ? Lieutenant Commander Data

Seversky at 46, Why do you peddle nonsense? 'I feel like a man today, a woman tomorrow and none of the above on the weekend.' Something we should teach our kids? That's called irrational behavior. Irrational thinking. relatd

Bornagain77/22
FYI, your worldview of Darwinian Materialism and/or Atheistic Materialism is simply incapable of grounding truth.
The correspondence theory of truth, in which the truth value of a claim about observable reality is measured by the degree to which the claim corresponds to observations of the aspect of reality that the claim purports to describe, is a well-established philosophical "grounding".
As Nancy Pearcey further explains in the following article, if Darwin’s theory is true, then ‘the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value’,,
Yes, and the fundamental flaw in that argument is the inference that "survival value" and "truth-value" are mutually exclusive.
Thus Darwin’s theory denies that we can personally know any objective truth ourselves, whilst Darwinism’s bastard philosophical child of ‘postmodern pragmatism’ denies the existence of any transcendent standards of objective truth altogether. i.e. all ‘truth’ is merely illusory and subjective on a postmodern, Darwinian, view of things.
The theory of evolution is not about philosophical concepts of truth but our knowledge of the true nature of objective reality and our capacity to acquire such knowledge are limited, if only by the limited capacity of our senses to gather data about that reality. What do you mean by "truth", the nature of objective reality or the claims we make about it? Seversky

"how each sex is expected to dress and behave" Sev, You know there are at least two sides to this coin. Now there's pressure by the Trans Community to do what the Trans Community expects. Andrew asauber

Barry Arrington/20
Here’s a truth. A man is not a woman and cannot become a woman by pretending to be one. Are you able to affirm that truth?
I can affirm that a human being cannot be both a biological male and biological female at one and the same time and that we do not have the knowledge to bring about a complete physical transformation from one to the other at this time, as far as I know. But who knows what may be possible in the future. I also believe that human sexuality has both social and psychological components, social in the sense of cultural norms concerning how each sex is expected to dress and behave, for example, and psychological in the sense of whether individuals feels themselves to be male or female. None of the above should be an issue for others in society as long as no one is being compelled to behave in a way that is against their will. Seversky

Sev, there is an issue of severe suppression and misrepresentation of facts through cynical censorship and narratives of half truth backed by the media and institutional power of the "progressive" cultural elites who have mutinied the ship of state. That has to be faced and resolved as a matter of defence of civilisation. KF kairosfocus

So, I assume you think Kellyanne Conway’s “alternative facts” was equally Orwellian?
Prove that Kellyanne’s alternative facts were not closer to the truth than media’s false facts. My guess is you can’t. So all that is provided is rhetoric not facts. Does this mean “alternative” is more accurate? And the real Orwellian facts are the ones you endorse? The really interesting question is why some endorse false facts provided by media and not true facts presented by Kellyanne Conway and how stupid your comment is? jerry

Barry Arrington/1
As interrogator O’Brien said to Winston when he forced him to say 2+2 is 5, physical reality is unimportant to the Party. The important thing is that the citizens of Oceania subordinate their real-world perceptions to the political will of the Party.
So, I assume you think Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" was equally Orwellian? Seversky

Folks, do we say, any nut can speak on the phone? Or publish in a newspaper, or edit it? Not so long ago, some said much the same about the Internet. The issue is substance and warrant in service to first duties such as truth, right reason, etc. So, can we return focus to the merits? Anyone wants to take on Solzhenitsyn? KF kairosfocus

Any nut job can post there. And I do mean nut job
Is that also true of UD? It seems so. Relevant to OP - Would questioning Kim Jong il on Twitter bring warnings for misinformation? After all one is questioning official state pronouncements. Aside: top 40 Substack newsletters
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Vb at 38, the people who have what? Power? That ugly word. They have NO power as long as people realize that lies are lies. 1960s - The U.S. Government tells us about our Judeo-Christian heritage. The people are mostly united. The Sexual perverts are held in check by censorship. That includes movies and TV. 1968 - A boots on the ground operation begins in the U.S. and Western Europe. Hippies and anarchists begin preaching immoral living and illegal drug use. Eastern beliefs are promoted as an alternative to Christianity. WE -meaning most Americans - ignore them. Early 1970s - So-called Adult Bookstores begin selling graphic pornography. WHO allowed this? 1973 - The U.S. Supreme Court stabs the country in the back by legalizing abortion. Both the Press and the American people were lied to: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource/55401/an-ex-abortionist-speaks A bunch of total strangers start yelling and screaming. Men, all men, are evil. They will kick you and the kids to the curb. They are for contraception and abortion. Feminist icon, Gloria Steinem, had this to say, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle." Of course, creating an atmosphere of fear and mistrust creates fertile ground for... 1980s - I open the Classifieds in the local newspaper and see the following: "No kids? $75 and you're out. Call 800-DIVORCE." At this point, things were about 50/50 between good and evil, but by 1985, things would begin a downward slide. 1990s - So-called 'shock jocks' on the radio interviewing prostitutes incorrectly identified as porn stars. The internet appears and everything heads over the cliff. 2022 - It's only about money and getting more. And the state within a state. The Marxist-Atheist controlled institutions will not survive. relatd

“Whoa! Double whoa!! You surveyed all of the American people? That’s how you “know” “ I never said I know, do you have reading comprehension problems? Vivid vividbleau

“Whoa! What the heck kind of thinking is that !!? A nation that acknowledges its Judeo-Christian heritage is upheld. “ Whoa indeed to echo LCD what alternate universe are you living in?How is allowing the killing of millions of babies upholding the Judaeo Christian heritage? How is allowing abortion up to the time of birth upholding the Judaeo Christian heritage ? How is a nation that affirms that a man can be a woman upholding the Judaeo Christian heritage? How is a nation that permits the bodily mutilation of children using drugs that are used to castrate sex offenders upholding the Judaeo Christian heritage? You need to wake up every major cultural and legal institutions ( the people who have power) want to discard the Judaeo Christian heritage and replace it. Whoa indeed. Vivid vividbleau

LCD at 36, "full with evidences"? Of what? Bored rich kids with Photoshop? Checks watch. Oh, I forgot. An election is approaching and it's time for the cool kids to throw dirt on the candidate of their choice... relatd

:lol: What planet did you live until now the internet is full with evidences. We are in 2022 and this is 2020 news. Well when you watch only msnbc and cnn that happens. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-exclusive-hunter-biden-pictures-half-naked-exposed-certain-minor-joe-biden-lying/ https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2022/03/hunter-bidens-laptop-exposed-child-porn-drugs-corruption-must-see-videos-3768501.html Lieutenant Commander Data

"substack" ??? Any nut job can post there. And I do mean nut job. Is today 'rant about politics and politicians' day? relatd

Relatd LCD at 32, You should be ashamed of yourself for posting that. If you have accusations to make – real accusations – then contact law enforcement.
:lol: Law enforcement contacted facebook and twitter to kill this "fake news" and "russian disinformation" of Hunter laptop. https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/hunter-bidens-sexually-inappropriate Lieutenant Commander Data

LCD at 32, You should be ashamed of yourself for posting that. If you have accusations to make - real accusations - then contact law enforcement. "meme" is in my top 10 "Words to Never USE" List. relatd

David P This is incredible irony coming from conservatives. Stop the steal… Covid will be over by easter… Sharpiegate…Trump didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels…Michigan’s Man of the Year..to name but a few. You guys supported the biggest liar in chief there was.
The level of brainwashing of these people is beyond repair. https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1561333927565897728 These people voted for a person that like to touch and smell the hair of any little girls on area(on camera! what happens off camera?), Biden's son probably learnt from "big boss" how to do it with underage girls(underage niece of Hunter!!) because the laptop doesn't lie, ...and they talk about Trump? I guess you didn't see these on CNN :lol: Biden reads "End of quote. Repeat the line" off Teleprompter SenileJoeBiden hundreds of videos Biden to Pope: You’re the famous African-American baseball player in America Best meme about Biden Lieutenant Commander Data

Sev, the truth says of what is that it is, and of what it is not, that it is not. Time will tell. KF kairosfocus

"You guys supported the biggest liar in chief there was." David P, That's debatable. In any case, national politics presents a choice between evils, no doubt. Andrew asauber

DP at 28, Leave me out of your "you guys" crap, OK? Do you go around accusing everybody on a regular basis? "Sharpiegate"? I've got some Sharpies... I did not vote for 'that guy,' for the record. relatd

This is incredible irony coming from conservatives. Stop the steal... Covid will be over by easter... Sharpiegate...Trump didn't know about the payment to Stormy Daniels...Michigan's Man of the Year..to name but a few. You guys supported the biggest liar in chief there was. David P

When liars walk around spreading lies and think no one will notice then those who do notice will act against those lies. They will not believe them. relatd

I see Pakistan is having stormy weather at the moment. Alan Fox

Seversky at 16, The world is run by whoever controls the most money. That's all. Climate change is a hoax to scare the cattle into buying electric cars. That's all. Right now, a second bridge to Canada is being built in Detroit. It will be ready just in time for electric car delivery. relatd

Vb at 6, "Personally I believe America is under Gods judgement and when God judges a nation he gives them evil leaders." Whoa! What the heck kind of thinking is that !!? A nation that acknowledges its Judeo-Christian heritage is upheld. When evil leaders appear then God judges evil as evil. "Of course these evil leaders are voted into office so that tells me a lot about the moral and intellectual bankruptcy exhibited by the American people." Whoa! Double whoa!! You surveyed all of the American people? That's how you "know" this? Get a grip. I did not vote for any of those evil people. relatd

Sev's Sawed Off Branch Awakening: The truth is you can't know what the truth is. Thus another Troll was hatched. Andrew asauber

Seversky at 16, if you are going to hold that you are capable of discerning what is true from what is not true, ought not you first hold a worldview that is capable of grounding truth? FYI, your worldview of Darwinian Materialism and/or Atheistic Materialism is simply incapable of grounding truth. Postmodernism pragmatism, which is the 'philosophical child' of Darwinian ideology, denies that there are any transcendent standards of truth, only ideas that help us get what we want.
How Darwinism Dumbs Us Down – Nancy Pearcey Excerpt: To understand how Darwinism undercuts the very concept of rationality, we can think back to the late nineteenth century when the theory first arrived on American shores. Almost immediately, it was welcomed by a group of thinkers who began to work out its implications far beyond science. They realized that Darwinism implies a broader philosophy of naturalism (i.e., that nature is all that exists, and that natural causes are adequate to explain all phenomena). Thus they began applying a naturalistic worldview across the board—in philosophy, psychology, the law, education, and the arts. At the foundation of these efforts, however, was a naturalistic approach to knowledge itself (epistemology). The logic went like this: If humans are products of Darwinian natural selection, that obviously includes the human brain—which in turn means all our beliefs and values are products of evolutionary forces: Ideas arise in the human brain by chance, just like Darwin’s chance variations in nature; and the ones that stick around to become firm beliefs and convictions are those that give an advantage in the struggle for survival. This view of knowledge came to be called pragmatism (truth is what works) or instrumentalism (ideas are merely tools for survival). Darwinian Logic One of the leading pragmatists was John Dewey, who had a greater influence on educational theory in America than anyone else in the 20th century. Dewey rejected the idea that there is a transcendent element in human nature, typically defined in terms of mind or soul or spirit, capable of knowing a transcendent truth or moral order. Instead he treated humans as mere organisms adapting to challenges in the environment. In his educational theory, learning is just another form of adaptation—a kind of mental natural selection. Ideas evolve as tools for survival, no different from the evolution of the lion’s teeth or the eagle’s claws. In a famous essay called “The Influence of Darwin on Philosophy,” Dewey said Darwinism leads to a “new logic to apply to mind and morals and life.” In this new evolutionary logic, ideas are not judged by a transcendent standard of Truth, but by how they work in getting us what we want. Ideas do not “reflect reality” but only serve human interests.,,, I once presented this progression from Darwinism to postmodern pragmatism at a Christian college, when a man in the audience raised his hand: “I have only one question. These guys who think all our ideas and beliefs evolved . . . do they think their own ideas evolved?” The audience broke into delighted applause, because of course he had captured the key fallacy of the Darwinian approach to knowledge. If all ideas are products of evolution, and thus not really true but only useful for survival, then evolution itself is not true either–and why should the rest of us pay any attention to it? https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/how-darwinism-dumbs-us-down/
As Nancy Pearcey further explains in the following article, if Darwin’s theory is true, then ‘the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value’,,
Why Evolutionary Theory Cannot Survive Itself – Nancy Pearcey – March 2015 Excerpt: “An example of self-referential absurdity is a theory called evolutionary epistemology, a naturalistic approach that applies evolution to the process of knowing. The theory proposes that the human mind is a product of natural selection. The implication is that the ideas in our minds were selected for their survival value, not for their truth-value. But what if we apply that theory to itself? Then it, too, was selected for survival, not truth — which discredits its own claim to truth. Evolutionary epistemology commits suicide. Astonishingly, many prominent thinkers have embraced the theory without detecting the logical contradiction. Philosopher John Gray writes, “If Darwin’s theory of natural selection is true,… the human mind serves evolutionary success, not truth.” What is the contradiction in that statement? Gray has essentially said, if Darwin’s theory is true, then it “serves evolutionary success, not truth.” In other words, if Darwin’s theory is true, then it is not true.” http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/03/why_evolutionar094171.html
Dawkins himself, (your hero Sev), admitted that Darwinism cannot ground truth. Specifically he stated, “Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
“Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.” – Richard Dawkins – quoted from “The God Delusion”
Thus Darwin’s theory denies that we can personally know any objective truth ourselves, whilst Darwinism’s bastard philosophical child of 'postmodern pragmatism' denies the existence of any transcendent standards of objective truth altogether. i.e. all ‘truth’ is merely illusory and subjective on a postmodern, Darwinian, view of things. Not surprisingly, critical theory also finds its roots in Darwinian postmodernism
“postmodernism is highly skeptical of explanations which claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person.” https://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gengloss/postm-body.html Critical theory Excerpt: postmodern critical theory politicizes social problems “by situating them in historical and cultural contexts, to implicate themselves in the process of collecting and analyzing data, and to relativize their findings.” [5] Meaning itself is seen as unstable due to social structures’ rapid transformation. As a result, research focuses on local manifestations rather than broad generalizations. Postmodern critical research is also characterized by the crisis of representation, which rejects the idea that a researcher’s work is an “objective depiction of a stable other.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Postmodern_critical_social_theory
That the atheist's postmodern Darwinian worldview cannot possibly ground objective truth was neatly captured in the following response to Matt Walsh from a transgender proponent, "Who's truth are we talking about?"
"Who's truth are we talking about?" - 4:36 minute mark - What Is a Woman BEST MOMENTS - Part 2 Matt Walsh https://youtu.be/0SzmI4pT1cY?t=276
Since objective truth cannot be grounded within Darwinian postmodernism, then the burning question for Darwin’s theory, (and for postmodernism, critical theory, and transgender ideology),(and as Nancy Pearcey pointed out), becomes, “if objective truth does not exist then how can we possibly know if Darwin’s theory itself is objectively true?” Darwinian postmodernism, (and Critical theory, and transgender ideology), in its denial of the existence of objective truth, ends up committing epistemological suicide. i.e. How can Darwin's theory possibly be objectively true if there are no transcendent standards of objective truth to judge by? Thus in conclusion, Seversky may believe that he is capable of discerning what is true from what is not true, yet Darwinian postmodernists, since they deny the existence of objective truth altogether, should be the very last people in the world to ever claim they are capable of discerning what is true from what is not true. Like objective morality undermines the Darwinian worldview, Darwinian postmodernists simply lack any objective standard of truth to judge by and thus undermine any claim that they are capable of discerning what is true from what is false. Supplemental note:
1. The Argument from Truth This argument is closely related to the argument from consciousness. It comes mainly from Augustine. 1. Our limited minds can discover eternal truths about being. 2. Truth properly resides in a mind. 3. But the human mind is not eternal. 4. Therefore there must exist an eternal mind in which these truths reside. https://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm#11
Verse and quote:
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. “If you were to take Mohammed out of Islam, and Buddha out of Buddhism, and Confucius out of Confucianism you would still have a faith system that was relatively in tact. However, taking Christ out of Christianity sinks the whole faith completely. This is because Jesus centred the faith on himself. He said, “This is what it means to have eternal life: to know God the Father and Jesus Christ whom the Father sent” (John 17:3). “I am the light of the world” (John 8:12). Buddha, before dying, said in effect, “I am still seeking for the truth.” Mohammed said in effect, “I point you to the truth.” Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Jesus claimed to not only give the truth, but to be the very personal embodiment of it.” http://commonground.co.za/?resources=is-jesus-the-only-way-to-god
bornagain77

I hadn't had the expirience of being berated that there is only two sexes and it can't switched after conception. I have been berated that fetus is not human, only "clump of cells" by "larger clump of cells, with more s*** and hot air inside". All so they can commit murder scot-free. RavenT

Seversky "What is truth?" Are you channeling Pontius Pilate? Here's a truth. A man is not a woman and cannot become a woman by pretending to be one. Are you able to affirm that truth? Barry Arrington

"Question is always why do they lie, distort and ignore?" Jerry, Yes. Who thinks the truth needs to be defeated and who thinks truth persists? Andrew asauber

So what is this Truth that everyone is so certain they know?
This and nearly all that follows is nonsense. My point is that if the Democrats won the electoral college fairly and squarely, they would be all over the evidence to prove it. But they were just the opposite. Why? Interesting omission is any reference to the actual claims made but more regurgitated irrelevancies. One of Kf’s threads not yet closed ended in a series of comments about the election. I suggest any further comments be made there. Last comment there was 18 months ago. https://uncommondesc.wpengine.com/laws/should-we-recognise-that-laws-of-nature-extend-to-laws-of-our-human-nature-which-would-then-frame-civil-law/#comment-729440 I just repeated this comment there.
do you even care about what the truth is?
Occasionally some anti ID people present some truth about ID or politics. It’s rare. While the other side is held to truth as well as dotting “I’s” and crossing “t’s” as a standard. Question is always why do they lie, distort and ignore? jerry

"So what is this Truth that everyone is so certain they know?" Sev, That's not the question. The question is: do you even care about what the truth is? Andrew asauber

So what is this Truth that everyone is so certain they know? Did Donald Trump win or lose the popular vote in both elections? Is his claim that he won both by a landslide a lie or one of Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts". Was the last election rigged, in spite of the glaring failure of the "Kraken" team to find any evidence for the claim? Do Christians here believe Trump was anointed by God to lead the country back to greatness? Is the plain, unvarnished Truth promoted by Q-Anon or is that just another storefront for Russia's insidious campaign to undermine confidence in democracy? Are the natural disasters that have befallen cities here a punishment by God for promoting LGBTQ rights and transgenderism or are they increasing in frequency and severity because we have ignored the risks of long-term climate change? Is the world run by some vast left-wing cabal or is the trend towards supporting authoritarian leaders and even outright dictators the real danger to Western democracy and the conspiracy claim a diversionary tactic? That the Supreme Court has apparently fallen into the hands of a partisan, right-wing Catholic cabal and the tiny number number of self-declared atheists and socialists in out legislative bodies would seem to suggest otherwise. The polarization is a big red warning flag but who has been fanning the flames for their own benefit? Seversky

I relate this story whenever this topic comes up... I was arguing with a Liberal friend about Climate Change and he told me it didn't matter what the truth was, the related gov't action, whatever it was, was good for The EnViroMint. All that mattered was the story line. He abdicated his responsibility to think and act in the real world. Andrew asauber

Jerry, the degree of polarisation I see is a big red warning flag. KF kairosfocus

Have to say, though, when Trump made Sean Spicer lie about the attendance numbers at his inauguration I thought the same thing
Was it a lie? Yes, the absolute numbers at the mall during the inauguration were smaller but not by a large amount. But it was reported the number of people watching it live by streaming was the top live event or second in history. So the number of people in attendance may under the circumstances have actually been the highest. Especially when those who live in the 30 mile radius of the inauguration and could easily get to the inauguration were about 75% Democratic voters. Trump supporters had to travel much larger distances.
And the Big Lie about dems stealing the election in 2020 was the scariest yet
As to the 2020 elections this has been covered extensively in many places including here but the one thing that is obvious is that there were a lot of statistical anomalies and tremendous resistance to openly examine details. Especially when Facebook spent nearly a half billion dollars organizing Democratic voting processes and regular and social media lied about possible influences on voting. So hardly scary. Still has not been investigated thoroughly. You would think Democrats would want a close look to diminish Trump forever. Most people are a prisoner of their media sources/habits. Including those who are anti ID. Aside: Let’s not debate the election here. It would just be a waste of time. We have had numerous threads on media lies over time which may be used if anyone wants to comment there. jerry

CD, kindly see 10 just above. KF kairosfocus

PPS, of course, I also point us to the underlying challenge, to live by the truth. Here is the all time pivotal confrontation, one that hangs silently over every cynical power move and agit prop circus masquerading as news or serious discussion:
John 18:33 So Pilate entered his headquarters again and called Jesus and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?” 34 Jesus answered, “Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?” 35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done?” 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” 37 Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.” 38 Pilate said to him, “What is truth?” After he had said this, he went back outside to the Jews and told them, “I find no guilt in him. 39 But you have a custom that I should release one man for you at the Passover. So do you want me to release to you the King of the Jews?” 40 They cried out again, “Not this man, but Barabbas!” Now Barabbas was a robber.[g]
kairosfocus

BA, sobering. The point of imposition of lies is to breach inherent built in moral government, inducing anticivilisational, nihilistic misanthropic chaos thence subjugation. You are right, therefore to say with Solzhenitsyn and the other dissidents, live not by lies. KF PS, the essay https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies
There was a time when we dared not rustle a whisper. But now we write and read samizdat and, congregating in the smoking rooms of research institutes, heartily complain to each other of all they are muddling up, of all they are dragging us into! There’s that unnecessary bravado around our ventures into space, against the backdrop of ruin and poverty at home; and the buttressing of distant savage regimes; and the kindling of civil wars; and the ill-thought-out cultivation of Mao Zedong (at our expense to boot)—in the end we’ll be the ones sent out against him, and we’ll have to go, what other option will there be? And they put whomever they want on trial, and brand the healthy as mentally ill—and it is always “they,” while we are—helpless. We are approaching the brink; already a universal spiritual demise is upon us; a physical one is about to flare up and engulf us and our children, while we continue to smile sheepishly and babble: “But what can we do to stop it? We haven’t the strength.” We have so hopelessly ceded our humanity that for the modest handouts of today we are ready to surrender up all principles, our soul, all the labors of our ancestors, all the prospects of our descendants—anything to avoid disrupting our meager existence. We have lost our strength, our pride, our passion . . . . [W]e find, neglected by us, the simplest, the most accessible key to our liberation: a personal nonparticipation in lies! Even if all is covered by lies, even if all is under their rule, let us resist in the smallest way: Let their rule hold not through me! And this is the way to break out of the imaginary encirclement of our inertness, the easiest way for us and the most devastating for the lies. For when people renounce lies, lies simply cease to exist. Like parasites, they can only survive when attached to a person.
kairosfocus

What Is a Woman BEST MOMENTS - Part 1 Matt Walsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZEGWGT2Og Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzmI4pT1cY bornagain77

Great post, Barry. Bill Maher is all over the place, I think, but he does sometimes call out the left for their egregious BS (ignoring/lying about Hunter Biden's laptop, BLM riots were peaceful, etc). Have to say, though, when Trump made Sean Spicer lie about the attendance numbers at his inauguration I thought the same thing - it's such a stupid lie, everyone can see it's false, why is he doing it? Ah yes - the point is to prove he can say anything he wants! And the Big Lie about dems stealing the election in 2020 was the scariest yet. Let's bring back some shame when people lie, whether or not they're on "your team"! dogdoc

Barry Arrington Just for the record, how many times in the past week has someone actually tried to “berate you into affirming the lie that a man is in fact a woman”? chuckdarwin

“while trying to justify media censorship in service of partisan politics.” The left is willing to do anything to promote their agenda, they don’t care what laws are broken just listen to Sam Harris promote, encourage and condone rigging elections. These people are vicious, self righteous tyrants and they have the cohoes to call people like me a fascist. Since all our cultural and legal institutions are controlled by the left no one is ever, nor will be , held accountable. Personally I believe America is under Gods judgement and when God judges a nation he gives them evil leaders. Of course these evil leaders are voted into office so that tells me a lot about the moral and intellectual bankruptcy exhibited by the American people. Everybody says they want change until change actually happens. Vivid vividbleau

Although I also take Bill Maher with a grain of salt, I was impressed when he stood up against the lies of transgender ideology. New Rule: Along for the Pride | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsg bornagain77

Vivid, Yes, I saw that piece. Reiner stammered and stuttered through massive cognitive dissonance while trying to justify media censorship in service of partisan politics. I don't know whether it was more tragic or more pathetic. Barry Arrington

Vb at 2, Count me out of that large swath who want to be lied to. I understand Bill Maher's schtick and avoid it. relatd

Barry Believe what you see, a large swath of the American people want to be lied to. The most recent example is Rob Reiner on the Bill Maher show. https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/08/28/rob-reiner-plays-dumb-about-media-burying-hunter-laptop-revelations-before-election-i-dont-know-what-they-did/ Vivid vividbleau

As interrogator O'Brien said to Winston when he forced him to say 2+2 is 5, physical reality is unimportant to the Party. The important thing is that the citizens of Oceania subordinate their real-world perceptions to the political will of the Party. Barry Arrington

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